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  1. No one cares about your age. It is professional school after all and you are expected to be an adult. I was in my very low 20s when I went to law school, and a lawyer now in my mid 20s. Makes little difference. All that matters is your maturity and capacity to build bridges and relationships with other people.
  2. If you took the LSAT 5 times, you are serious about applying. Just do it and see what happens.
  3. I know people who've lateralled into mid-sized/large firms after articling in smaller commercial real estate practices. Litigation is fairly abroad. What kind of litigation are we talking about here? Civil? Because it is far too early to give up on a field like commercial real estate that a) has tons of work/business and b) not everyone can go into because not every firm practices in the area. You've got your foot in the door. Just keep at it and you'll land something.
  4. If you're basing all of this solely on the OCI process, take a deep breath. That represents less than 20% of the legal marketplace. At Osgoode, almost everyone I know did OCIs and less than 25% of my class were hired. And no, it was not due to a lack of trying. 70% of my class are not socially inept, rude, negative people with poor grades. Many strong candidates in my year with good grades (some even great - in the high B+/A range), good experiences, and good personalities (in my opinion, and I like to think I am a good judge of character), did not land a job through the formal recruitment process. Some of these students even failed to land an articling position in 3L and took whatever they could get. Some of them landed their dream job near graduation and afterwards. Some students articled elsewhere and just lateralled into Biglaw after their call to the bar. While those doors are largely closed for most people, it is still a possibility. I have a close friend that failed to land something through the 1L, 2L, and 3L recruitment processes. He was super bummed as hell. He landed an in-house corporate articling job near the end of 3L and now works at an international firm. Look, I get that U of T is Biglaw or Bust for most of you guys right now, but this will change within the next few years. Many students are hired on Bay that should not be there and do not want to be there, and I strongly believe this is a major factor in the high Associate attrition rates. Even at U of T, roughly 50% of the class lands a job through the OCI process, not all of them are at Biglaw firms, and some (or many) will be hired through connections and nepotism (seems to be a taboo to discuss here, but it is nevertheless true). Relax man. You're in your first semester of 2L. You only need one job, one opportunity to prove yourself. Your goal is to become a lawyer. You can do it. The places that have turned you down do not deserve to have a hustler like you there. Bring your A game to whomever gives you an opportunity and kill it. You will leave this shitty process far behind, stop comparing yourself to people who don't matter or who may seem like they got it all together when they don't, and you will reach a place of satisfaction and peace. There are many more opportunities to practice the various areas of law that Biglaw preaches still to come. Make the best of this process and see what happens with it, but I can assure you that there are still firms and in-house employers hiring articling students well into 3L and beyond. It is a competitive process because there are roughly 400-450 students hired through the OCI process every year, and over 2000 law students in the country. And, yes, many students from even outside of Ontario are still applying to work in Toronto. Frankly, I don't think you need to change anything. Stop thinking that. Stop thinking that you need to prove yourself even more than you already have. Stop thinking that you need to become someone you are not in order to land a job. Dude, be weird. Are you going to fake your personality and character once you've faked it to land a job? You need to be yourself in order to truly excel as a lawyer regardless of where you end up. I never once asked for feedback after an interview in my life, nor did I go to a single mock interview in law school. I know myself and know what I bring to the table. If someone doesn't want to hire me or give me an opportunity, that is their loss. I landed a pretty sweet position and like to think I am where I should be. Just believe in yourself and hustle. Don't be down - you got this!
  5. Humble brag. Why make a chances post with those stats? This isn't med school admissions.
  6. Read up on their holistic admissions policy. No one can chance you for Windsor without knowing anything else besides your stats. Windsor has rejected 3.7s and 160s in the past.
  7. 1.5 months really is not a long time at all. I know people who've been looking for positions since their call to the bar in June and even well before that. The job market is saturated now with new calls and most online postings I see ask for a few years of experience.
  8. I would have done this by now, at least the phone call. Why have you not done this yet?
  9. Are these mid-sized firms litigation boutiques or firms that specialize in a particular area of law? I can tell you that you leave more doors open if you go to a full-service large firm or even litigation boutique (Lenczner Slaught, Paliare Roland, Stockwoods, etc.), as opposed to a smaller firm. You can always move around after you have been called to the bar. I really would not be basing your decision on a perceived work life balance you think you may have. If you are in the extremely fortunate position to receive more than one offer, go with the firm that you think offers you the most opportunities for growth and leaves more doors open for you. As a student or newly called lawyer, the only employers that can offer you a good work life balance (9-5) in most cases is government, legal aid, and the few in-house jobs that hire articling students/new calls. I have friends working at smaller firms made up of 1-15 lawyers and many of them work Bay Street hours.
  10. https://obiter-dicta.ca/2019/10/08/in-conversation-with-jagmeet-singh/?fbclid=IwAR1w9VORa-PIEzSYACMWadtMOyzaA_IgL9tRbJLHt1kMbFk1_8IciwwCiNA “I feel like what happens often in first year is … you feel like you have to go into a certain stream. But I didn’t end up getting any OCI’s and I ended up finding a whole different path,” Singh told me. “I didn’t get trapped into thinking I had to fall into what everyone else was doing, so make sure you stay open to the universe’s options as they present themselves.”
  11. Thankfully, I do not have to see this change because logic games is the most learnable section and was my best score.
  12. People generally refer to Windsor as a last resort in Ontario. It is a controversial opinion to express on this forum, but many established lawyers I meet who are Windsor alumni openly tell me that it was the only school in Ontario they got into. My personal opinion is that although they brand themselves as a social justice school, as someone who currently works in a public interest position, there are more opportunities in social justice/public interest at other Canadian law schools - including at schools like U of T. For example, I know quite a few U of T students interning at the UN, while I know no one from Windsor. There is far too much emphasis placed on the corporate opportunities available to students through the formal OCI recruitment process at schools like U of T, UBC, Osgoode, McGill, etc., but there are also an equal number of social justice and public interest opportunities for students to explore at these schools. From what I have observed in law school and in my current workplace, Windsor law does not stick out to me as being the only school with social justice and public interest opportunities. In truth, public sector employers generally hire fewer Windsor students than they do students from the other schools. There are fewer social justice and public interest opportunities available to students and new calls. Thus, they can afford to be selective and pick the best candidates. These candidates can very well come from Windsor, but generally speaking, the student body there is not as strong as it is at other schools like Osgoode, for example. My class did very well during the articling recruit for government jobs - probably more than any other Ontario law school. Take from that what you will.
  13. This is news to me. Look, wait until you've written a law school exam and grades have released. You will be surprised at the results. Anecdotally, some of the highest performing students in my class had STEM backgrounds. I literally have no idea how pol sci gives you an advantage on a law school exam. I encourage you to look at some sample exams. They don't expect you to write a 20 page paper on federalism.
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