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  1. Big law or corporate law in general (which includes small and mid-sized firms)? Keep in mind less than 30% of Osgoode students land Big law jobs. Granted, not everyone is gunning for these jobs, but still. Save your money and go to McGill. I have heard there is a big corporate focus there.
  2. Keep in mind that you only need 2 years of university studies to apply for law school. Occasionally, we see people with a high GPA and LSAT score get admitted into law school after their 2nd year. At Osgoode, one of my peers was admitted after 2 years college and 2 years university and they now work on Bay Street. As long as your university GPA and LSAT score is competitive, I don't think law schools will necessarily penalize you for having gone to college first. However, I think you'd need to spend 2 years in university and can't make do with 1 year even if you do get that many transfer credits.
  3. OP, why do you want Big law so badly? If you want to be a corporate lawyer, you can do so without working in Big law as many of my peers are doing so now. I have good friends that started their own corporate/tech firms 1-3 years out of law school. Some joined up with others who had similar aspirations and are growing their business this way. Correct me if I am wrong, but have you worked in a Big law setting in law school, or held business positions prior to law school? If not, why are you chasing the coattails of Big law if you've never been exposed to this kind of environment, especially as a called lawyer with a world of opportunities you can pursue as an alternative? If you want Big law that badly, specialize in labour and employment, tax, commercial real estate, or something similar, grow your book of business, get a few years of work experience, then apply to Big law firms as a lateral hire. This would be a more feasible and realistic plan than trying to go back to law school and hit restart.
  4. What I am finding interesting is also the fact that most of the people arguing about the toxic environment of this forum are law students and those not in law school, while most of the lawyers and articling students are arguing the opposite. There may be a power imbalance here, but also just the fact that law students/those not in law school often just don't like hearing harsh truths from lawyers.
  5. I'll let others answer this question, but man, a question like this at 3am? It's worrisome. I feel like you're not taking this mental health topic seriously. Even if you did go back to school, how sure are you that you are mentally, physically, and emotionally prepared to handle it. If you were tossed into a pressure cooker right now, how well do you think you would manage? I think the answer to your question lies somewhere in the fact that many people will just see you as getting the same degree all over again and adcoms will think it is redundant for you to learn the same material and may give you an unfair advantage in the class. Foreign law school graduates did not learn Canadian law for the most part. Almost no one equates a foreign law degree and Canadian law degree as being the same thing.
  6. If you're hoping to land Big law OCIs, that will be difficult with those grades, especially considering how Queen's has a higher curve than most other law schools. But you also have experience that is not available to many, if not most, law students in your shoes. Do you have connections? Because if you can just leverage those connections from your past work experiences, you don't even need to concern yourself all that much with OCIs.
  7. Best lawyers or best legal academics? Many profs never practice law or only do so for a short time before pursuing academia. You may want to look at which adjunct faculty members teach at both schools as they tend to be full-time lawyers first, then part-time academics. Moreover, isn't it more beneficial for you to connect with lawyers in Vancouver if you want to work in Vancouver? You're completing discounting the benefits of networking and making connections with peers, academics, and lawyers in the location you actually want to work in. Most U of T graduates end up working in Ontario. Which lawyers/profs are you hoping to learn from at U of T that you cannot get at UBC? Are profs at UBC any less distinguished than those teaching at U of T (a skim through the faculty listings don't show me much of a difference)? UBC has an average cumulative GPA of 3.8 and 166 LSAT. How is this any less competitive than U of T which looks at Best 3 years, has a similar GPA range, and 166 LSAT median? https://allard.ubc.ca/programs/juris-doctor-jd-program/frequently-asked-questions#:~:text=The Peter A.,to fill the 200 positions. https://www.law.utoronto.ca/about/jd-first-year-class-profile It seems to me that being an Ontario resident, you've been drinking too much of the U of T kool-aid. UBC is a reputable school filled with highly academic students and distinguished faculty. Many of them will be working in Vancouver and will form your network. UBC also costs a fraction of what U of T costs. Seeing as how you want to live and work in Vancouver with certainty, I fail to see what advantages you can get from U of T that UBC cannot provide you - especially ones that justify the U of T tuition costs.
  8. It sounds like you may need to talk to a counselor. https://lso.ca/lawyers/practice-supports-and-resources/member-assistance-program-(1) MAP provides access to counselling, coaching, online resources and peer volunteers. https://lso.ca/lawyers/practice-supports-and-resources/topics/opening,-operating-or-closing-a-practice/opening-your-practice There are many resources to help you open your own practice. You have a license to practice law which means you can be your own boss. Obviously I do not recommend this if you do not know what you are doing, but there are resources and tools to help you get started. You could do pro bono and legal aid volunteering work to get some experience. Reach out to lawyers in your network for advice and mentorship. Join CBA and OBA sections and network. Narrow down on an area of law or two and focus on building your experiences in them. Start thinking more like an entrepreneur and seek out opportunities to build upon your existing skill sets and experiences. Going back to law school is not the solution. You may end up right where you are now. This is a difficult time for many. Even out of Osgoode, many of my peers were in similar shoes as you and volunteered, moved to smaller cities and towns, and went solo after their call to the bar. Everyone seems to be doing well now. Windsor is a fantastic school and you are a lawyer now. Don't go backwards thinking. Talk to people in the legal community because there is a lot of support and guidance here for you. You are not alone.
  9. Why wouldn't you give or receive career advice from junior calls who have already gone through the recruitment processes themselves? Most questions we get here about careers is from law students and new calls/juniors. One doesn't need to have 3+ years of experience to respond to these questions, and in fact, many older lawyers are so far removed from the law school application and recruitment processes that their advice may not be current. Sure, you'd give deference to the opinions of more senior members if your questions had to do with how to become a Partner in Big law or lateral into another area of law after you've worked 3-5 years elsewhere, but the majority of career questions we get here can be perfectly answered by junior lawyers, and in many cases, even articling students. Remember, their advice on the recruitment processes in law school will be more current and accessible to you. When you are a client seeking legal representation, you may want a more senior lawyers to assist you with your case, over a new call or junior, but when it comes to being a non-law student, law student, or new call/junior seeking career advice, it is perfectly fine to receive advice from new calls and junior lawyers who may have current and relevant information that can help you out.
  10. https://ultravires.ca/2020/10/toronto-summer-2020-1l-recruitment-results/ http://ultravires.ca/2019/12/toronto-summer-2020-2l-recruit-numbers/ 1L recruit in Toronto typically hires 50-60 students total (keep in mind some are JD/MBAs). 2L recruit in Toronto typically hires 400-450 students total. You can do a search on Ultra Vires for the previous years' recruitment numbers.
  11. If OP is posting under their real name, then they may be someone that graduated gold medalist from an Ontario school's JD/MBA program and now works in MBB consulting. Perhaps OP can clarify this. Also if they are who I think they are, while I can appreciate the positivity underlying the post, I also question how much luck actually played into their career, considering they had some high-level grades and a fairly traditional career path.
  12. Oh God, I want to know what thread this was on...
  13. I've been here for many years now, and considering that it is still an INTERNET forum, it is governed and policed very well by the moderators and longtime members. Calling this forum a toxic environment really makes me wonder what other internet forums you have been exposed to. Posts cannot be deleted here barring exceptional circumstances and you cannot create multiple accounts. So if someone did want to continue to engage in toxic behaviour, chances are they could be discovered out in the real world if they provided enough personal information and continued to post under that username. The legal community is a lot smaller than you may think. Anyways, I do hope you stick around to see how non-toxic this forum really is because I can tell you that there is a wealth of information and mentorship here. I've learned more from this forum than I did outside, and a lot of advice I now give to students and young lawyers in real life are things I've gathered over the years from this forum. The fact that information here is not sugar-coated and freely given is a blessing in disguise because you will not find this in law school or the legal profession.
  14. For your career interests, U of T will likely serve you better since it has a bigger corporate focus and better Big law placement rate than Osgoode. However, you will likely have a better social experience at Osgoode over U of T. I know a few Black students/lawyers that were in a similar boat as you and most of them chose Osgoode over U of T, primarily due to the fact that Osgoode has a pretty significant Black student population every year (more than most other schools in Canada). Typically, up to 10% of the class at Osgoode identify as Black, which is a significant number considering the class size, while at U of T, only 1% of the class identified as Black in the previous years and 4% this past cycle. Both U of T and Osgoode seem to have a similar percentage of LGBTQ students. There are clinics at both schools, but Osgoode will have more options. I know a few Black lawyers that attended U of T, and some current students, and most of them didn't feel a sense of belonging there, but did speak highly of the academics and career prospects. Most of them also went the corporate route. If you'd like, PM me and I can put you in touch with a few Black students and lawyers I know from both schools.
  15. The person I am referring to also went to McGill.
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