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  1. My buddy expressed his political view in a criminal class discussion. The prof didn't really have a problem with it., though they disagreed. But some of the students in the class complained and sent official emails to the prof and administration, and they sat down with him and had a long and serious discussion. The situation was quite ridiculous, since law schools are supposed to allow for open discussion and not penalize students for it. I noticed that many students stopped responding in class after incidents like this.
  2. I feel like this is the case now at most law schools in Canada.
  3. I think what might be helpful to further this discussion, and for the OP, is to discuss the different practice areas in Biglaw - the actual work itself, hours involved, clientele, work-life balance, etc. In the past we've had posters talk in length about their practice areas which I think others found immensely helpful in making their own career choices - class actions (Uriel), taxation (Maximumbob, Mal, etc.), intellectual property (Scientist), labour and employment (Jaggers, Adrian, Erin, etc.), criminal (diplock, quincy, providence, etc.), family (artsydork), and so on. But we don't have enough posters pitching in on other type of "Biglaw" work done at these firms. This would be more useful to students. Tell them what practicing in commercial real estate or construction law is like. M&A. Securities. Privacy. Financial Services. Environmental. Municipal. Many law students are unaware of the fact that they will be put into a practice group after their call, so inform them on what their options look like. BQ mentioned that he did some digital privacy work in the summer that I think is very interesting stuff. The big firms are doing some solid work in the technology and privacy sectors which is seldom done outside of a Biglaw environment. Now this is something that I want to hear more about, rather than the back and forth this thread has gradually devolved into.
  4. I thought most law students viewed Biglaw as the pinnacle achievement; it is like scoring the Prom Queen in high school. You become a celebrity overnight in law school when your peers find out you landed a Biglaw job. A lot of the negativity towards Biglaw in the field comes from the lawyers themselves, always shooting the shit about their jobs (usually with some dark humour) and talking about exit options, rather than being content in their current roles.
  5. Do some research into different practice areas and settle on one (or two) to specialize in. Wills and estates is a booming area and conducive to working in a small firm environment. Apply for the Wills Project through Pro Bono Students Canada. Take courses in trusts, estates, family, tax, etc. Join the OBA/CBA Trusts and Estates section as a student member and connect with lawyers in the bar. Seek out opportunities and learn as much as you can about the field. Try to land a volunteering/summer position at the Advocacy Centre for the Elderly, Elder Law Clinic (or something similar if you school offers one), or a small firm where you can dabble in this area and get some experience. In total, show a prospective employer why they should hire you, someone who has demonstrated a clear passion for this area of law, over someone else that did not evidence a similar passion. 1L, and law school in general, is a difficult period for a lot of people. But you do not need to fall to despair and throw out your investment and everything you worked hard to achieve. You have already won half the battle; you can make it to the finish line. Grades are only one part of the package. You may not land a Bay Street job or clerk at the SCC, but you can still become a lawyer and do interesting work in an area of law that you enjoy. That is more than what a lot of people in Canadian society can say. Keep your eye on the end prize. If you feel like your mental health is affected, consider taking a leave of absence to recover, and access mental health services that are available to you at school and outside. Talk to a counselor. There are resources that can help you get through this difficult period. But I reiterate my above advice. Law is entrepreneurial and there is nothing stopping you from opening your own shop after your call. Many of my classmates did just that soon after they were called, and they are all doing reasonably well for themselves. Find an area of law that you think you would enjoy practicing in, and put everything into it moving forward. You will be surprised at the results. Shoot me a message if you want to talk further.
  6. Regardless of how this cycle goes for you, you should seek to improve your writing abilities because it is a necessary skill set in law school and in the legal profession.
  7. What is more worrisome is the fact that many foreign trained lawyers end up going into criminal, immigration, and real estate (big one here) since the practices are more conducive to small firm environments. Thus, we have more real estate fraud before the law society than any other practice area, and we have vulnerable clients not getting the best legal service, because they go to lawyers they see on a billboard or through word of mouth in their communities. The amount of shitty lawyers - most of whom went abroad for law school - targeting their own ethnic communities is staggering.
  8. While Ryerson's inaugural class is set to 150 right now, I would not be surprised if that number slowly crawled to 200 or more within the next decade. Law schools have liberty to increase their class sizes, and seeing the tuition money and how many people want to go to law school in Toronto/work in the city, I would not be surprised if it did happen. In any event, Ryerson's 150 vs. Western's 185 is a fairly insignificant comparison. Western is the more established school.
  9. Think it is worth adding this here for prospective Bond students.
  10. Why are all the Associates young women (1 went to Lakehead and 4 are foreign law school graduates), while the Partners are all older, white men - save for the one who went to an ivy league school in Australia? It can't all be foreign trained lawyers that want to work in Georgetown.
  11. This forum is always more fun when 0Ls think they know more than law students and lawyers. Tell them that their opinions are false or misguided and suddenly they need to flex their "legal related" experience on you.
  12. The grass is not always greener on the other side, my friend. Maybe I don't want to work in Dubai after all...
  13. Even with a 170+ you would probably get rejected from most, if not all, Canadian law schools. This assessment is based on your stats alone as I do not know how the rest of your application looks like. If I were you, and you still wanted to go to law school, I would go back to school and raise your grades - maybe even start another undergraduate degree. You need to demonstrate that you are academically capable of performing in law school and competing with your peers, which your present grades (C+/B- average) do not show. Most of your classmates will have at least one or two years of undergraduate studies pulling straight A grades.
  14. I had to google it to learn that the school is located in Florida, has a bar pass rate of 67%, 46k USD tuition rate, and is ranked in the 100s (Tier 3) out of the 200 law schools in the US. Please believe me when I tell you that there are better ways to spend your money (or your parents?) and easier ways to lounge on the beaches in Florida than this; and that an extremely small number of people in Canada will have even heard of this school. If your goal is to be hired back in Canada, you will be severely handicapped by going there - barring exceptional circumstances and some serious connections that you may have. And who knows, if location is enough to convince you to fork out 50k USD for a low tier law school, then maybe you do have those connections. Boy, do I wish I was rich. Life would be so much simpler.
  15. I think from a cost perspective Ryerson just doesn't justify its access to justice and innovation mandate. Ryerson - 20k Osgoode - 26k Queen's - 20k U of T - 36k Lakehead - 17k Western - 21k Windsor - 21k Ryerson is not the only law school in Ontario supposedly engaging with legal innovation and technology. U of T already has the Future of Law Lab which provides a broad range of opportunities for students, academics, lawyers and other professionals to explore the intersection of law, innovation and technology. The Lab’s activities focus on several related themes: 1) the legal industry, 2) legal technologies, 3) innovation, 4) entrepreneurship, and 5) increasing access to justice. Examples of activities include for-credit courses, externships and summer internships with incubators, start-up companies and legal employers, student hackathons, law and tech speaker series, academic workshops and conferences. Windsor Law is home to the Law, Technology and Entrepreneurship Clinic (LTEC), which is a clinical project conducted by several law professors who specialize in technology law. Western has the Intellectual Property, Information and Technology clinic. Ottawa has the Centre for Law, Technology, and Society (https://techlaw.uottawa.ca/news/legal-innovation-modernizing-our-legal-and-justice-systems). Osgoode has the Innovation Clinic and many other clinics and externships focused on the intersection of law, innovation, technology, and access to justice. Most other law schools in Ontario and Canada have legal innovation, technology, innovation, entrepreneurship courses and clinics as well. If they don't, you can be at the forefront of helping to create it. I'm sure many other students, lawyers, and law professors would love to assist you on these creative new projects. Osgoode created its Investor Protection Clinic a few years back through the support of the community in a similar vein. If you want to help law schools innovate and bring about new ideas and approaches, you can very much do so anywhere. Ryerson's access to justice mandate does not compute with its 20k tuition rate. Ryerson's buzzwords - technology, innovation, entrpreneurship, equity, diversity, and access is also not unique to Ryerson (and again does not compute with its high tuition rates). I fail to see why a student with multiple offers would go to Ryerson over another more established Canadian/Ontario law school, barring exceptional circumstances such as family, significant other, work, etc. I think much of the backlash Ryerson is facing is undeserved and they should be given the chance to prove themselves. At the same time, let's not pretend that Ryerson is doing something out of the ordinary with its admissions process that other law schools are not already doing, and that the school is creating unique opportunities in all the "key buzzword fields" I mentioned above, that other law schools have not been doing for many years now.
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