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  1. Most employers receive a few hundred applications for 1-2 spots in the articling recruit. Unlike the large full-service firms that participate in the OCI recruitment process, the employers in the articling recruit are largely government and mid-sized/small firms and boutiques who only hire 1-3 students and practice in only a few areas of law. Thus, it is important to have a tailored application to stand out. It is not so much as where you went to law school, but rather whether you actually have a demonstrated interest to work there or if you're just sending generalized cover letters everywhere. I know foreign trained law students with significant experience and interest in criminal law or civil litigation who have landed jobs in the articling recruit.
  2. Your job prospects and credibility would improve drastically. There are cheaper law schools in Canada you can attend. The foreign trained lawyers I know who pursued JDs in Canada are all doing very well in their careers. I know someone that attended a Canadian law school in her 50s, after practicing law for close to three decades in her home country. This individual made the decision to do so because she didn't want their capabilities to be doubted and to improve her job prospects. The average age in Canadian law schools is around the mid-20s. You're not losing out on time by pursuing this process, only increasing your employment opportunities.
  3. I know of quite a few Indian and other foreign trained lawyers in Canada working as in-house lawyers in corporations and major banks. These employers value your experience a lot more than where you went to law school. Getting into a large full-service firm may be difficult without ticking the right boxes but if your experience is relevant, I think you have a shot at landing an in-house role that aligns with your interests and experience. I can't comment on your articling prospects, but one thing I will note is that the Ryerson LPP is an option and there are lots of in-house corporate placements in the program. Landing one of these placements may help you get your foot in the door, and at the very least, gets you one step closer to being called to the bar. https://lpp.ryerson.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/OR-Thank-You-Ads-Feb-2020.pdf Some employers may have biases against you being an immigrant and there is racial discrimination in the legal profession. However, you don't want to work for these people in the first place. I would focus on completing the NCA requirements and applying to positions that interest you and align with your experiences. Networking is also key and I recommend reaching out to the South Asian Bar Association for support and guidance as well. Good luck.
  4. There will also be more NCA candidates and LLM students participating in this recruit. I've received many requests on LinkedIn from this group inquiring about articling opportunities.
  5. This question seems premature. Osgoode and the T-14 looks at cGPA (yours is well below the median for these schools), U of T Best 3 (I am assuming below the median as well?), and you don't have an LSAT score yet. You should apply to the schools you are interested in attending and see where you get in first. Apply to U of T and Osgoode and make a decision if/when you are accepted. Figure out where you want to work. If you want to live and work in the States, you should go to law school there. Very few Canadian law students land jobs in the US even out of U of T and Osgoode.
  6. One thing I will add is that having a business degree will provide a good alternative should you ever choose to leave law which is more common now than you may think. I see lots of lawyers leaving the legal profession to pursue additional degrees and certifications in business, psychology, counseling, human resources, labour relations, etc. I even know people who decided against practicing law after their call to the bar. There are many alternatives to practicing law for which a business degree could prove to be an asset and an undergraduate degree a prerequisite. Unless you can say with certainty that you will practice law for the rest of your life, I would personally take the extra year to complete your degree.
  7. Do you think your relationship will last long-term, even after you and your girlfriend move countries and attend law school/vet school respectively? Do you plan on practicing law in a small town of 60,000 people in Southern Ontario for the rest of your life or for a significant period of time? Does your current girlfriend with dual EU citizenship want this as well? Young people in relationships outgrow each other all the time, especially when faced with big life changes and opportunities. Going out into the world will change your viewpoints and make you question what you want out of life. There are many couples with children and couples in long-term relationships who continue to maintain their relationships even as they move away great distances for work, school, etc. A relationship is meant to help you grow and mature as a person and not cripple you from the outset. Your decision to pursue a foreign law degree with the intention of returning to Canada will have long-term repercussions. Can you live with your decision regardless of the outcome and uncertainties it presents? Watch Marriage Story if you have not done so yet. It does a good job of showing how sacrificing one's personal growth, career, and life choices for your partner, at a young age, can have potentially disastrous consequences in the long run. It may even lead to resentment, bitterness, and regrets building up in the relationship, as you may end up feeling that your partner held you back from reaching your full potential. Or she may end up feeling that you are not giving her the space and time to figure out what she wants out of life, as she may not want the same things as you. I would really sit down with yourself, your family, your girlfriend, and anyone else involved to really think this decision through and address the questions and thoughts I put to you above. If you and your girlfriend are not strong or mature enough to maintain your 4 year relationship even as you each pursue law school and vet school in different countries, is this a relationship that was meant to happen? This is a challenge to be sure but not an insurmountable one. I'm all for running after the girl of your dreams and love, but make sure you set yourself up to be in a good position in life too, as that will make everyone, including your girlfriend, respect you all the more.
  8. This is a stressful process for everyone involved. For many students, this is the first time in their lives that they are going through a structured recruitment process. Many students do not have lawyers in their families or mentors to turn to for advice and guidance. There is a lot of misinformation and falsities spread by law students to other law students. What may seem like a dumb question to one person may be perfectly reasonable to another. As a lawyer, many times I think the questions 0Ls and law students ask is "dumb" or "misinformed." But then I also think back to when I was in their positions. If you want to be a dick to your peers and colleagues, this attitude will not win you any favours from anyone in a position to help you. The legal profession is small and held to a high standard of conduct. Smarten up because your attitude on this forum carries over into the real world.
  9. Queen's in the past has been known for labour and employment, criminal, and family law, but has been shifting to a more business-focus in recent years. Maybe mention your interest in a particular area of law that is more broad, clinical programs they offer, or professors you would like to work with and learn from, but really the personal statement should focus on why you are the right candidate for their program. Your job is to sell yourself to them and not the other way around. The closest most lawyers get to practicing "constitutional law" is criminal law. I would not mention it in your personal statement unless you want to create a narrative around pursuing legal academia.
  10. Practicing family law with a foreign law degree shouldn't be an issue for you considering your network and ability to hustle. I know lots of successful, practicing lawyers who bombed the LSAT. It doesn't mean that you will suck at law school or being a lawyer. We see a fair number of people with dismal LSAT scores being admitted into schools like Ryerson, Windsor, Lakehead, TRU, UNB, Ottawa, etc. Involuntary dropout rates in law school is almost unheard of. I wouldn't let this setback hold you back from pursuing law at all. As mentioned, you could consider applying to more law schools across Canada, or re-writing the LSAT (though, I agree that after years of trying and multiple retakes this may not be the most viable option for you). Age is just a number. There is nothing wrong with being a junior lawyer in your mid-30s, 40s, or 50s. It's not a race. Enjoy the journey as much as the end result. If you just want someone to tell you that going to Bond or another foreign law school is a good alternative path for you (and you have the financial means to do so), then I will be that someone. Like I said, there are some exceptions to the rule that you should only attend a Canadian law school, T-6, or Oxbridge if you want to practice law in Canada. It possible to practice law in Canada with a foreign legal education and there are many lawyers who do so. It is a difficult path filled with barriers and stigma, but not an insurmountable one to overcome. Make sure you really have exhausted all your options in Canada first. You do not want to have any regrets later on. It will take a lot of hustle and hard work on your part, but if this is really want you want to do, and you have the support of your family and loved ones on pursuing this endeavour, then I wish you good luck.
  11. It sounds like you've wanted to do this for a long time, and been working at it for years. If you have exhausted all your options, and you still want to be a lawyer and practice law, then Bond is not a bad idea. This is contrary to advice I usually give on this topic, but in some cases, it does make sense to pursue a foreign law degree, and you appear to be one of these exceptions. However, I do have a few lingering questions: Have you considered pursuing another undergraduate degree? What are your career goals? Do you have any alternative career paths besides law you can/would pursue? Which schools did you apply to in the previous cycles? If you were to reapply, would your application be any different from the previous years?
  12. I had to provide a writing sample and 3 references for a clinic volunteering position in law school. They've become increasingly competitive now (not all, but some).
  13. Do you think many of these same people would be drawn to Biglaw in the first place if there wasn't such a push in that direction in law school by the CDO, their peers, and the event sponsors? This concept of OCIs, which is predominantly made up for corporate law employers, is shoved into students' faces throughout law school, and even prior to law school. It is the path of least resistance and naturally many students apply and end up working at one of these firms. While it is perfectly fine to not have clear idea of what practice area you want to go into, there is a pretty clear distinction between Biglaw, and other practice areas like criminal, labour, family, wills and estates, immigration, etc. Most law students by that point in time should know themselves well enough to: a) know what their values are, b) know their lifestyle choices and the environment they want to work in, and c) know the clientele they want to represent — government, lower income, HNWI, corporations, etc. I know a few people who transitioned out of Biglaw into other practice areas that have nothing to do with Biglaw, and almost all of them have told me that they came to law school to "do human rights work", "practice refugee law or criminal law", or "help ordinary people." People are not so unsure of themselves to flip-flop between very different practice areas within the span of a year or two. People's personalities do not change all that much during law school and in adulthood. The general point being made in this thread is that you should know your own values well enough to know where those values would be best represented. It doesn't really make sense that someone wants to do M&A or corporate securities work for large corporations for a year or two because they are unsure of practice areas, then make the jump into family, criminal, or refugee law. A lot of the work you do in these fields, the clients you represent, and the skills you need, are very different from Biglaw. Some practice areas are more closely intertwined than others. If more law students had the confidence to take a leap of faith and respect their own value systems like the OP, we would see this being less of a problem, and fewer unhappy law students and lawyers out there. In fact, the attrition rate in Biglaw would not even be as high as it is now, because the people who last long-term in that setting generally want to be there, and that is where their values, personalities, and interests are best represented.
  14. Did you access your network? Maybe your peers from law school and the contacts you've made over the years can help? There is no shame in reaching out to people. There are also many firms in the GTA (presuming that is where you are located), that do personal injury law and residential real estate. Many of these firms have low barriers to entry and are filled with foreign trained lawyers. With a law degree from Osgoode, you can sell yourself at these places quite easily. I was approached by some while even in law school. If you speak another language, you can also target ethnic firms, where the lawyers and clientele are predominantly from a specific community. You can set up your own shop. Criminal, family, immigration, employment, and wills and estates are most conductive for this. As mentioned above, you need to embrace the fact that a lot of lawyering is really learning as you go. There are lots of resources offered by the CBA and OBA to help get you started. I recommend going to events and sessions and improving on your knowledge in one or two areas of law. Networking and specialization is key. This really should be more emphasized in law school, but you should have ideally decided on a practice area when you got out of law school. Employers now want specialized knowledge and skills, and since you have stretched yourself thin doing a variety of different jobs, it is harder for you to demonstrate this. But it is not too late. Focus on learning an area of law ― such as family, wills and estates, employment, immigration, criminal, etc., and build your profile around this. If you worked in retail, you probably have some pretty decent business skills. Use them. Law is an entrepreneurial field. You don't need to work for someone else. You have a license to make money. Get out there and get some clients. Have some confidence in yourself. Yes, you will make mistakes, as everyone does, but you don't grow by not trying.
  15. And a no go to sexual relations with a client.
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