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  1. 100. This resonates with me as well. I'm enjoying the legal field and doing quite well now in my career but had similar law school experiences at Osgoode. People in 1L are particularly competitive and if you're someone that is more laidback you want to get out of that noise and toxicity asap. Law school was my first real experience going to school with mostly people from upper middle-class and wealthy backgrounds so it takes some adjusting to do and a lot of judgmental comments are made your way. I'm glad to hear that you got involved in the intensive programs there. It's one of the major assets the school has going for it.
  2. Someone in my class wore a blazer, dress shirt and tie almost everyday for the first couple of weeks in law school. Then they started coming in sweatpants and casual wear once they realized what everyone else was wearing and the looks they were getting.
  3. Where else did you get accepted? You are at a disadvantage for Bay Street jobs in Toronto but will be fine everywhere else. However, if you were accepted to U of T, Osgoode, Western, or Queen's, I would strongly consider them over Windsor. If you are interested in working for the federal government and got into Ottawa, you should absolutely go there as well. Windsor is a superior option to Ryerson which only recently opened its doors. Going to Windsor is fine and will not limit your employment opportunities in most cases, but there is a stigma attached to its name that I find even its graduates spread. I've asked Windsor graduates how their experiences were and some of them said it was the only school they got into without even being asked. If you can handle the stigma, then you should be fine.
  4. Your grades are quite good so I would apply broadly and cross my fingers. The only Canadian law school I've seen that accepts a lot of US transfers from bottom tier schools is U of T. But your grades have to be really good. I'm not sure how they will view your B's. Good luck.
  5. @McGillObama I find your posts a little concerning here and not for the reasons others have rightly pointed out, or even the comments you made about intelligence and lawyers, etc. It concerns me that you may be going to law school with beliefs and value systems that are quite narrow-minded and judgmental. Look, I don't care how intelligent you are. I really don't. I care about whether you are unbiased and objective enough to treat your peers well, participate intelligently in law school classes and legal clinics, and be the kind of person a client would want to have as their lawyer. Leaving your academic intelligence aside, your emotional intelligence is clearly lacking right now (and it's ok if you are young and inexperienced as I am assuming you are now). You come across as someone that would be quick to jump to irrational conclusions and not act in the best interests of your clients as you have all these pre-conceived notions about people and different communities. I'm not really knocking you down here. Take this as advice and an opportunity to learn. Many of the law students and lawyers here had similar values and belief systems as you before they (we) went to law school and starting practicing in the real world. Think about the fact that as a lawyer, you will likely be servicing very real, ordinary, average intelligence people in most cases, and what kind of person you want to be when acting in their interests, and how you want to carry out your responsibilities and proceed through life. Seriously, who the fuck cares about this law vs. physics, lawyer innate intelligence, etc. BS. This shit doesn't concern me at all in the real world. As someone going to law school wanting to be a lawyer, you need to let go of your preconceived notions and biases of what being a lawyer entails, and be more open-minded and willing to interact with people and communities that are different from you. This will take you a lot farther in life than your biochemistry degree, your IQ, how many publications you have, and so on. The fact that you are in the process of going to law school, yet lingering on what your high school peers are doing and what their grades in high school may have been, is quite alarming. You do not want to carry this personality into law school because it reeks of toxicity and negativity. I can assure you that even if you were a law school medalist, I would not want to be your friend. And your peers will remember who you were during your time there when you all graduate and go out into the real world. So please, for your own sake, be kind and gentle to yourself and others, and go into law school with a little more respect for your peers, and openness to learning from others and about their different experiences and value systems. I wish you good luck in your future endeavours.
  6. Why would you go to Windsor if you got into Osgoode? I can't think of a single reason other than that you are tied to Windsor and cannot leave the city for any reason. I hate to pull rankings as it doesn't matter as much as people think, but Osgoode is considered one of the best schools in Ontario and Canada overall (along with U of T, UBC, and McGill) and Windsor is considered one of the worse schools in Ontario. People usually go to Windsor if they don't get into U of T, Osgoode, Western, and Queen's.
  7. Don't Asians fall into the diversity category? Which groups are you insinuating as being "more diverse candidates?"
  8. The question isn't "can you learn to be a good lawyer," but rather, "can you learn to be a good lawyer in your field?" Stop trying to be the jack of all trades. The most incompetent lawyers I have met are generalists trying to dabble in a few or many different areas of law. Many of them also happen to be sole practitioners or working in small firm environments. Most of them are really in it for the pay cheque and not trying to actually learn the law and hone their skills. If you look at most competent, successful lawyers you will notice that one thing they have in common is that they are not trying to present themselves as being the jack of all trades. They've picked one or two focus areas and have spent most of their careers learning and re-learning the law and honing their skills and experiences. They are specialists in their area of expertise. And this concept extends beyond the legal field itself as it applies to anything else like being an electrician, doctor, businessperson, actor, musician, etc. Yes, you need some innate intelligence and drive to be a lawyer, but in order to be a good lawyer, you just need to pick an area of law and master the hell out of it. Very few law students and new lawyers actually approach their careers in this manner which is why they see some early career struggles.
  9. Have you looked into applying in the mature student and access categories? I don't think there is much point in retaking a 95th percentile LSAT score but you may want to consider doing another undergraduate degree -- even for 2 years as you can get into a number of schools with strong 2 years GPA -- and the mature student and access categories if your medical conditions in your previous degree program were well-documented. This year is an anomaly in that applications to law schools exponentially increased due to the pandemic. This trend may continue next year as well but it is still worth reapplying. Good luck.
  10. Contrary to what a lot of people presume, there is actually a lot of unfulfilled legal jobs in the market that are desperately seeking out qualified candidates. The market is not as saturated as you may think it is. I'm seeing many job postings for legal positions asking for 3+ years experience being reposted time and time again even during the COVID period. The issue is not that there are too many law students and law school graduates but that many are lacking the experience these employers are looking for, and in many cases, it's not even because there are not enough opportunities to gain this experience requirement, but because many students simply do not want to pursue these jobs. There are lots of opportunities in rural regions and smaller towns outside of the metropolitan cities. There are lots of opportunities in personal service areas of law when you show a demonstrated interest, build a network, and get some experience. Not everyone has to gun for traditional Big law and government. There are many law adjacent jobs out there, companies hiring more junior in-house lawyers, and access to justice work that is begging for lawyers but are not in a position to pay or pays peanuts. If you attend a Canadian law school, I really do not think you should be concerned about competition from Ryerson law students because there is a market that needs lawyers in certain areas of law, regions, and experiences. My concern is more with the alarming number of foreign trained lawyers flooding the market desperately working as law clerks, legal assistants, and paralegals to get their foot in the door. Compared to these candidates, almost everyone here is going to be in a much better position with respect to career prospects.
  11. I was a K-JD and one of the youngest in my class when I got in at 21. While there are advantages to starting your career early, there are also disadvantages. You tend to party more and become a bit complacent in thinking that a lot of the hard work is done, in comparison to older students who may take law school more seriously as they have more riding on the line for them, coupled with many other responsibilities they may have like a partner, dependents, mortgage, etc. I also noticed that I got along better with older students than other K-JDs because they were really insufferable law students always talking about grades and competition and just acting more immature in general. The lack of work experience is also a disadvantage in the recruitment processes, particularly if your grades are not in the top of your class. You may also feel some imposter syndrome wondering if you should have been accepted to law school that early on. Overall though, I think it was a good thing as I became a lawyer in my mid-20s and started my career in the government. There is more time to build a career and see my salary potential go up. I can now also focus on other aspects of life like buying a house, travel, finding a life partner, etc.
  12. I try to look at it in a similar manner to how Windsor admits students. Although all Canadian law schools take into account personal circumstances and factors such as diversity, inclusion, socioeconomics, etc., most schools still place the most value on academics (as I personally believe they should). But in this analysis, mature students, BIPOC, and students from lower socioeconomic conditions may for different reasons, including testing poorly on average on the LSAT and other structural inequalities that prevents them from attaining a competitive GPA, be at a disadvantage. Schools like Ryerson and Windsor offer an opportunity for those without strong stats to attend law school. Now I won't get into a whole other discussion about whether these students whose stats are weaker should be afforded the privilege of attending law school or that it catches some of the students who may have gone abroad for law school, but the fact remains that the opportunity now exists for them to attend law school in Canada. It's still too early to tell. We have to wait and see how these grads perform in the job market but something tells me that they will do well. ... Or I hope they do.
  13. If you have any interest in pursuing a career in aboriginal/indigenous law this program would be advantageous to have on your resume. I know people working at MAG and DOJ that did this program. Easy way to demonstrate an early interest in this area.
  14. You know, for all this talk about law not being a golden ticket anymore and law graduates struggling in the job market, I don't know a single person that graduated from a Canadian law school and within 2 years didn't get on their feet and find some level of "success." Sure, there is a lot of stress and rejection faced by law students and new calls in the job market, but like most other professions this is to be expected when you are first starting out. Most lawyers I know are making above average salaries relative to most Canadians, and as someone who graduated with 100k+ debt and went into a public sector position paying an above average salary, I have been just fine with my regular debt repayments and career path. I think the negativity surrounding law school and lawyer careers on this forum and reddit is overblown. Look, OP, you will be just fine coming out of school even if it takes you an year or two to find your footing. Ryerson law graduates aren't going to cripple your job prospects and destroy your career. As a law student, I used to worry about competition, job prospects, and oversaturation in the legal market for articling and new call positions as well, and while those are certainly barriers to overcome, it gets a lot better once you get called and have some work experience to carry you forward. The rest will play itself out.
  15. Why is your beef only with Ryerson though and not with Queen's recently increased class size and Ottawa's increased class size a while back? I've connected with many of the current 1L students at Ryerson and am excited to see what they bring to the legal profession. They came across as passionate individuals wanting to pursue access to justice, public interest, legal technology, and help society in general. A lot of the students accepted at Ryerson are mature students and BIPOC who also bring good perspectives and life experience to the legal profession. Many of these students would have been completely shut out of pursuing a legal career or have gone abroad if Ryerson did not accept them. As a law student, I can see why this is giving you anxiety if you are worried about job competition, but you need to face saturation and competition in literally every other field, including healthcare and business professions. If you were an employed lawyer, I think you'd be more balanced in your perspective and see the value in having different voices, perspectives, and experiences represented in the legal profession.
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