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  1. If your question is about what the summer program actually entails, I think your best bet is to talk to students or junior associates. The person in charge of recruitment (whether they're a partner or someone who only does recruitment) will give you a more standard speech -- not to say that they won't be honest about the program, but the students will be able to give you the best idea of what to expect from your end. If for whatever reason, you want to speak to the recruitment contact though, the partner in charge of recruitment should be able to give you some info or at least point you to people who have time to chat (this may be the students). I think the "why are you emailing me?" response is more for partners who have no say or involvement in recruitment activities. The partner in charge of recruitment is not likely to have that reaction.
  2. Hello! I spent a lot of time weighing the two and ultimately chose UofT. The cost for both was comparable for me after UofT's financial aid, both schools obviously seemed great academically, etc. I liked that UofT seemed to have a theoretical focus as well as a lot of hands-on opportunities. My sense was that Osgoode classes were a little less theory-focused, but I don't know if that's really true (and if true, I know it would weigh in the opposite direction for a lot of people). I really like legal theory though so it's nice to have both for me here. (Not saying that UofT is all theory either, I just think there's a nice mix. If you hate the philosophy of law aspects, you can avoid it pretty easily, especially in upper years. I'm sure that you can also lean into this part of the course selection at Osgoode). The main reason I chose UofT was the community. This is so subjective but I felt a real difference when I went to Welcome Day at both schools. I went in with an open mind, not sure where I would land, but it really helped make up my mind. For whatever reason, I felt so awkward at the Osgoode day. The conversations I had with other students were stilted and while overall, there were great moments, a combination of small things didn't feel right. At UofT (the next day), I had a fantastic time. I thought all the students and alumni I met were engaging and fun. The clubs fair really got me excited and I could picture myself at the school. Since this is all sounds vague and arbitrary, I'll give an example. Both schools had a students-only panel that I attended. At the Osgoode one, the students spent a lot of time talking about ways that we could pad our resumes without actually having to do any work. At UofT, people seemed genuinely excited and passionate about how much hands-on work they got to do in their extracurriculars and how much they got out of them. My point here isn't that this is actually true of either school because I think something like this can only be generalized so far (there are people of both types at both schools, I'm sure, and maybe you prefer the former). I'm not saying that you should make your decision solely based on one (two?) days -- this is a recruitment event, small sample size, maybe you were just in a better mood on day x, etc. -- but on the other hand, I don't think it's a bad idea to go with where you feel you fit in, all else being equal. On paper, the schools were so similar that the more intangible aspects ended up being really helpful to me. Re: your question about the culture at UofT, I LOVE our law school class. I find the people here unbelievably interesting and friendly. It's genuinely hard for me to imagine a nicer group of people. In my experience, the effect of knowing that other people are so accomplished is a combination of everyone thinking everyone else is brilliant and all of us having imposter syndrome. Having only gone to UofT for law school, it's hard to compare the two now, and I'm sure that both schools are wonderful (how many disclaimers can one post contain) but I'm really happy with where I am. Hope you find the right place for you! Feel free to pm me if you have any specific questions about UofT, etc.
  3. I talked about ECs a LOT in 2L OCIs and in-firms. However, I rarely talked about the things on my hobbies list. Maybe my hobbies are all just supremely boring (probably) but I do think there's some truth to the idea that law firms are just trying to see what kind of person you are, and ECs can be a good proxy for that. Also, I think it is totally fine to have stuff from undergrad/pre-law school on your resume in the ECs and work history sections. Those experiences came up quite a bit as well and for me at least, they weren't law-related.
  4. For DLS, it depends in part on the division -- some are just busier than others (e.g. I'm pretty sure the refugee and immigration division is always on board for more help from 1Ls). But since 1Ls aren't assigned to a division anymore, this doesn't really matter unless you get into DLS through the lottery. Not getting the lottery won't affect your chances for working there 1L summer or as a 2L if you still want to. Other "clinics" are PBSC (wide assortment as others have mentioned), Advocates for Injured Workers, and Artists' Legal Advice Services. You'll see the types of work different PBSC places do on the 1L application. If you're interested in client-facing work/public legal education/legal research, etc., you can rank accordingly. AIW gives you carriage of your own files as a 1L so is a good opportunity for substantive work. I believe ALAS is mostly shadowing lawyers as a 1L but I could be very wrong on that. One thing I would keep in mind is that there will be a LOT of (very cool) opportunities to get involved right at the beginning of the year. I think you can take advantage of that and still do well academically, but you should probably know this better for yourself than any of us would. In undergrad, did being involved outside of class make you more or less productive? However, keep in mind that other opportunities will come up throughout the year that you may want to leave room in your schedule for. These are mostly oral advocacy opportunities -- 1L moots (there are 2 now!) are the main ones. They're great experience but a big time commitment (also competitive so to be fair it's a trade-off whether you would deliberately leave room for it). There are also other oral advocacy opportunities (i.e. client consultation competition, motions workshop, trial advocacy) that are more one-offs but still lots of fun and great experience. All this to say that you have lots of time and don't need to be "worrying" about this but I was excited about what was to come too and had similar questions. Hope this helps!
  5. UofT law dean apparently said at a Faculty Council meeting that he thought law schools would be included in this.
  6. "From the 2015-2016 admission year, the algorithm that assigns the two-thirds weighting to the Academic Record and LSAT was adjusted in a way that grants more weight to the GPA, since new data reveals that the GPA merits relatively more weight in predicting performance in first year than other factors." https://www.law.utoronto.ca/admissions/jd-admissions/admissions-policies#ApplicationofAdmissionPolicy
  7. Don't see why it wouldn't? P+ > P so if in the end, there's 1 more H left and it's between someone who got P, H, H and another person who got P+, H, H, I would imagine it would go to the latter.
  8. I would think that counts as an academic reference, yes - presumably they're going to speak to the same skills/experiences as a university prof would in their letter? You could always call Dal to double check though.
  9. MOH sent ITCs earlier this week (if you're just asking about the call specifically, never mind!). But also, I just got a call from a government office about 10 min ago, so I think they are sometimes slower to call.
  10. A few ideas in addition to what's been said above: You mentioned getting up, pacing, etc - have you tried working in a library or cafe setting where you can't do that? I'll also turn my wifi off (laptop and phone) when I'm really having trouble staying on task so that I have one less distraction. Studying with friends, depending on who they are and your dynamic, can be helpful (or very unhelpful). My friends and I will sometimes just book a study room and all work together silently. Other times, we'll do our readings independently and then meet at a designated time to talk it over. (As you can see, I am highly motivated by judgment from my peers lol). Tell yourself that you're studying until whatever time (20 min, 40 min, 1 hour in the future, whatever). Set an alarm. Once you get to that time, you're done. Move on to a different class, take a walk, or do something else. I find this helpful when I'm not giving my work the full attention I want to - knowing that there's an end point helps me focus for the time that I'm doing it. You can also try one of various methods for breaking up work (e.g. study 50 min, take a 10 min break, repeat). Make use of the resources at your law school! I don't know where you are, but at UofT, we have a tutoring program for 1Ls, a learning strategist, and a wellness counsellor who I know has given students studying suggestions in addition to mental health support. I would imagine that other schools have similar programs. Law school, especially in 1L, can feel really stressful and isolating, but all of your classmates are going through the same thing. Don't be afraid to talk to them or to make use of the resources that you have available to you. Good luck!
  11. Only non-OCI employer I know people have heard from is Cavalluzzo
  12. Just to add for those interested, UV compiled financial aid reports from 2003 to 2015-16, available here: http://ultravires.ca/2016/10/tuition-debt-law-school-broken-promises-price-excellence/
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