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  1. I shared my perspective re: commuting 1.5 hours all 3 years in the above thread. I personally found it perfectly fine. Attending class, studying, and marks did not suffer. First year typically had you with classes mon-thurs, typically starting at either 9am or 11am (I never had straight 9ams), most days were done by 3:30, everyone has the same lunch period 12:20-2, one class went as late as 5pm on one day, sometimes someone got a day off. I did all extra curricular activities I wanted to do (clinic, journal, moot, other things). I went to many lunch time events. I made friends easily and attended varied social activities, but this is maybe a tough one if you care about social activities that take place during the week at night. for e.g.the bar nights take place late on Thursdays and a commuter is less inclined to stick around until 9pm/10pm to attend if their class ends at 3:30 or 5, though i know people who did this. I had no reason to do so because i do not drink and did not care, but i can imagine that may be tough. I love any and all savings since debt sucks :). Maybe I saved around 30-45k depending on lifestyle over 3 years? Idk never did the math.
  2. Stereo decisis - Canadian perspective on our hot topic legal issues - great content IMO Lawyered - Canadian content on various areas of law!
  3. Ah interesting, I did not know that all firms went to 1900 for their summer students, just thought it was the... I’ll also say it... “sister” firms (lmao the taboo word on this forum)
  4. I wonder if salary cuts may be coming down the pipe for the firms that haven’t made salary cuts already? Or is the rumour mill on Bay saying that firms who have not cut salaries have made an actual decision not to do so as part of their mitigation strategy during the pandemic?
  5. I thought only mct went to 1900 per week no bonus no bar salary for articling students, whereas other firms stayed at 1700 w bonus and bar salary for articling but went to 1900 per week no bonus no bar to their summer students.
  6. It is a completely different experience. Undergrad felt disjointed - the people in one of your classes were not the same in the others, with the odd occasion where one or two similar faces showed up in a class or two. There was no opportunity to make genuine friendships. I know my classmates at UofT Law. I regard some of them as genuine friends (meaning not as "law school" friends but as friends in general). I commute, so I am honestly rarely on campus and I still feel this way about some people. If I lived near campus/spent more time there, I am sure I'd have even stronger friendships. There is ample opportunity to socialize at law school events, but also since you make legitimate friendships, you can go to lunch/dinner/coffee/movie/drinks/whatever with your friends from law school whenever (and this isn't a unique thing since many people do hang out with friends they met from law school in non-law school settings given what I see on social media). Many friends invite people over to their apartments regularly just to chill or celebrate birthdays or whatever. I commuted so i never lived with other students, but that is very common and can lead to friendship building too. Not saying you won't get the same thing at Western. Just saying that UT law, based on my experience, does not suffer from a lack of community, and is significantly different than undergrad at UofT.
  7. I went to UofT undergrad and am currently in law school, 3L, and the community vibe in law school is markedly different than that of undergrad. As alluded to previously, its a small class, one big building, lots of events/clubs/things going on, my year is quite collegial and collaborative... you really do feel like you are in a small community.
  8. IMO, it is not so much about how many hours you put into your study, its more how smart you study. The key to getting an H or HH is to know the material well enough to use the law to play around with the facts on a fact pattern exam. So that really is about being able to create a map that will account for all the important points of law, the nuances associated with those points, some potential arguments or key pieces of evidence that turned an argument in a case to keep in mind, and then with this knowledge you deal with the facts on a fact pattern to present an argument taking into account both sides. To be able to create such a map, over the semester: read as much as you can (don't be an unnecessary reader, not every paragraph of a case needs to be read IMO), access upper year summaries to compare, attend lecture to hear what points your prof emphasizes on so that you have all the information you need to create your own good map. And also do practice exams to test your application (and compare your answers to answers in the answer bank) to see if you can account for all the issues and nuances in a fact pattern.
  9. Yeah that was the typical first year schedule; in upper years classes can start as early as 830am (few, select courses lol), or start as late as 6pm and go until 8/9pm (again few select courses). So you might change your mind in upper years, but to be honest, unless its a class you are dying to take, the world won't end if you choose the 4-6pm class instead of the 6-8pm class and learn about bankruptcy instead of trial advocacy for e.g. See the following for this year's schedule with first year courses highlighted: https://www.law.utoronto.ca/academic-programs/academic-handbook/timetables-and-exam-schedules/timetable-first-term and https://www.law.utoronto.ca/academic-programs/academic-handbook/timetables-and-exam-schedules/timetable-second-term
  10. I commuted all 3 years (in my last year now) 1.5 hours each way to UT. Classes and marks did not suffer. I was able to do the extra-curriculars I wanted, however it was harder for me to stay out late to go to some social events. That did not impact me much since idc about drinking activities like going to the weekly bar event (i do not drink and do not like to be in an overly alcoholic environment); but if you care about social activities like that, they happen late. I would also add you might spend less time on campus generally, cuz you will study at home or the local library to avoid the commute on your days off, so maybe you will have less time to build friendships i guess? but that can easily be remedied if you do the extra commute on your days off to study on/be on campus. I have friends who commuted same distance but came to campus more, and they would stay late to go to call to the bar, and they have a great social circle on campus. Not to say I do not have friends lol! 1L classes can start as early as 930, and end as late as 630, though most end at 4pm, 4 days a week or sometimes 3 days a week; i never had an issue with attending my classes fully or doing the readings. I did many of my readings on the train + took notes too if the text was available pdf.
  11. I mean, I haven't attended one class at all this year, nor did the readings. Going to be relying on the notes the prof posts for the exam. Also, been very willing to skip another class, but not every single session like the other. There are strong arguments in favour of not skipping class any year including 3L. Sometimes we do not listen to the strong arguments cuz we choose to sleep in instead.
  12. True, though BJ's Toronto (where the population is 50/50) associates seem to be 14/89 (15%) POC based on a good faith but hasty effort to count diversity based on pictures: https://www.bennettjones.com/People_Search_Results?f=84,89, and their partners 5/79 (6%) based on that same effort: https://www.bennettjones.com/People_Search_Results?f=84,91 ... and my friend who worked at BJ just mentioned that 3/22 of their summer 2019 cohort were diverse people. Of course, lumping POC into one giant group has its own issues. Still happy to hear that the current articling class is quite diverse and i am glad this shows that BJ has the capacity to continue to promote diversity. People from lower socio-economic backgrounds definitely face similar if not the same issues, and it often times is the case that the diverse candidates who end up on bay st. are from a wealthier background, it also is the case that some are not from those backgrounds and have a double burden.
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