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  1. You have to show the fin. aid office that you applied for gov. aid (osap or your own province), been approved, and have a funding estimate. So, yeah they probably take it into account. Also, my experience for the past 2 years is that it has been generally accurate so long as you are accurate in the information you input in. It is sometimes a couple hundred dollars more or less than what was estimated based on my experience/what my friends tell me.
  2. To your first point regarding LPs and Fs. Yes they do exist. However, LPs are discretionary, up to 10%. In my first year, I had two Profs say they do not give LPs, another prof showed us his last 3 exams with answers and memos detailing how many students got which grade, and out of the past 3 years only one student got an LP in his class. There are some Profs that give out LPs, but my sense is that its not as widespread as 10% of every class receiving an LP. These 3 classes were all your standard black letter law classes. I do not think I said, nor did I imply, that people with many Ps are going to suddenly be competitive to top jobs in the profession. I was merely saying that based on my anecdotal experience as a current student at UT Law, people are not that anxious about their grades, because, in part, a P is interpreted as a B and the spectre of a B- C+ C C- does not exist. And, I would add, that the spectre of an LP is not as scary given the likelihood that they are not as widespread as 10% of each class.
  3. The rate that the CDO floats around is 40% to 35% who do not have a job after the recruit. This is probably because around 10-15% per cent end up taking jobs in NY.
  4. Also, most students come into UofT with Megbean's mindset. This is probably the case because they are generally the overachievers in their undergrad programs and are accustomed to getting the highest grades. People mellow out because they realize that the vast majority of students, including those in the top 10%, will get one or more P on their transcript and thats OK.
  5. Yes, it does help those at the bottom. But, I think it helps everyone really since the vast majority of students get a mix of grades, including students with overall grades in the top 10% (some of which I know had Ps on their transcript). That is, it helps all students view the lower grades on their transcript in a relatively more positive light than if there were B-, C+, C, C- grades on transcripts. I think the Assistant Dean Academics introduced the grading scheme to the first year class by essentially saying that the admin. eliminated grades below a B, and that helps those who land in the bottom 55% - 45% of a given class to look better.
  6. Well, I think from the perspective of a UofT student, when they look at a P, which as mentioned above is given to 55% to 45% of a class, on their transcript, they view it as an equivalent to a B. They probably do not view it as a B-, C+, C, or C-. I would expect that someone with a C+ or C on their transcript would feel more anxious about their grades going into a job recruit than someone with Ps on their transcript. I would also suspect that people would be more anxious about their grades if the spectre of a B-, C+, C, or C- is floating around as they study instead of the spectre of getting a P.
  7. Based on my experience and what I hear from my friends and aquaintences in my year and other years, the grading system does help reduce anxiety. It’s true that some students are desperate for the HH in every class, but a good many of us are happy with the mix of Hs and Ps that most people get. As mentioned above, a P can mean anything from B to C-, and everyone views them as a B. So, it’s not viewed as a bad grade. Also, people tend to mellow out after 1L first semester about grades. Of course, this is based on what people say out loud to each other and the general vibe one feels about grades from the 2L class.
  8. You rank the places you want to go. I am pretty sure its a lottery. If you do not get your ranked choices then you are usually offered some alternatives. You pay UofT tuition + living expenses for the relevant area.
  9. One thing you can do is look at the past few years worth of Ultra Vires Recruitment Specials that show the approximate placement rates of students from different schools at various firms. You can see how often various boutique bay firms hire UofT students vs. other schools.
  10. In terms of additional debt, its no secret UofT is more expensive. However, we have a relatively decent financial aid program that, at the very least, tends to bring UofT's annual tuition close to, if not the same as, Osgoode's annual tuition for those who are eligible. I am not sure Osgoode's fin. aid is as generous as UofT. A friend of mine who goes to Osgoode said that you have to demonstrate that you have maxed out your LOC and Gov. resources to obtain a bursary (not sure how true this is). That is not the case with UofT. Either way, my point is that the choice between UofT and Osgoode are not so so so stark debt wise, and thats one reason I chose UofT over Osgoode. Also, I wouldn't rule out bay street full service firms right away. I went into law school not being interested in bay street, but when i exposed myself to different events where lawyers came and spoke about their practice, i realized that the work seems a lot different, and a lot more interesting, than what it is assumed to be based on student preconceptions.
  11. Thank you for this insightful account, Providence!
  12. That is an important question! I’d love to see that too for if they are not substantive then I’d say it’s time for some further refinement.
  13. I am sorry who said we are just raging from the outside lol. Clearly, I am acknowledging such systemic issues... and I am commending firms that are adjusting their approaches to account for said issues. Not sure why you seem to think such commendation and call for further refinement is the same thing as stopping one’s life and raging from the outside...
  14. I agree with you to an extent. Though, I would like to think that I and others who may agree with the perspective I am advocating for are not just coming from a place of “feeling sorry” for themselves. It is true those from said groups must get their first and ought to strive to do so according to the requirements. I also think it ought to be the case that we shouldn’t just repeat the errors of hiring committees of yesteryear when Jewish lawyers where working their way up. I don’t think it’s the same as it was then this day and age, progress has been made. And, I commend the firms that shun complacency and opt to pursue further progress on this issue by adjusting their approaches to recruitment etc.
  15. I do not think this is an appropriate characterization of the issue. This issue being a question of a “basic skill set” is not all that it is. This places all the burden on individuals from underrepresented social groups. While certainly, being personable, kind, and charming, may be considered a basic and valuable skill set for this profession, I do not think a dominant culture informed by certain racial, class, and gender groups that can repeatedly alienate unndrepresented social groups is just something those from said underrepresented social groups should just suck up and deal with lol. Such a dynamic exists, and from my perspective I think it ought to be changed to the extent that it can be changed. To be thinking of how to be more and more inclusive and open to underrepresented social groups is, I think, an important objective of the profession. This objective may very well be advanced by adjusting the interview process in terms of questions or kinds of activities a firm hosts. I am happy to hear your viewpoint is coming from a visible minority perspective. It’s also important to know we don’t all have the same ideas on this issue.
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