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  1. whoknows

    So Um...What Now?

    Probably fair. Queen's.
  2. whoknows

    So Um...What Now?

    I definitely do note that my main interest is in litigation. From my discussions, you're correct in that you're not going to find many, if any, practitioners who both litigate and do the transactional side of those issues. But there are certainly litigators who specialize in securities/corp gov/banking related litigation (though I realize in Canada this is a much smaller area), it's why I was really hoping the OSC would give me a call for one of their litigation positions (I thought the A's in CivPro and Securities would help, they didn't).
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    So Um...What Now?

    Thanks, Hegdis. Thanks to you too. I'm definitely doing this, while trying to add some heft to the old resume. I think a moot is in order, but we'll have to see how the tryout goes, it's been a while since I've been up on my feet. I'd be lying if I told you it isn't at least partially the idea of working for large clients, doing complex work, and I guess to some extent actually finding the subject matter around raising capital interesting. But what I will say is I wish it was a more singular interest. The reality is that I could probably be relatively happy in many areas of practice. In fact I often wonder how good I would be in criminal defence, given how strongly I feel about the work you guys get to do. I can find bits and pieces of numerous areas of law interesting, and the real thrill for me lies in being able to solve a Rubik's cube day in and day out. I like solving problems, and that draws me to (what I perceive are) complex areas of law. Thanks a lot for this. I've applied to Toronto, Ottawa, Hamilton, Kitchener/Waterloo, and Mississauga. I have preferences in terms of where I'd like to live, but generally I am far more preoccupied with finding a place that's going to give me the opportunity to grow as a student/junior lawyer than where I'm going to lay my head at night.
  4. whoknows

    So Um...What Now?

    So I don't know what I'm looking for here. Encouragement, tips, commiseration with fellow students, all are welcome in this thread. Hell, if Diplock shows up and kicks me in the ribs I'll deal with it. But I'm really wondering if it's time to panic or consider doing something else with my life other than law. I'm a 3L, I have good grades (Nothing below a B, smatterings of A's and A-'s), some decent-but-not-incredible EC's, etc. My main area of interest is business law, specifically business litigation, and I have a real interest in corporate governance, securities/financing, and banking. With that being said, I have no aversions to anything other than insurance defense/family/PI work. I failed to secure a 2L summer job, despite a load of applications, and maybe 8 interviews. I've had 5 articling interviews (and a similar bazillion applications) and haven't received an offer, receiving either no feedback or little feedback from my interviewers (though I will note that some of them have been incredibly helpful). What I get most is that it was really competitive this year and they're sure I will land somewhere great. Which is nice to hear but doesn't help much. I'm just kind of at a loss, I've taken feedback to heart, gone for mock interviews, gone to coffee chats, taken informational meetings and phone calls, edited and re-edited application materials, and really tried to implement suggestions while still keeping at least part of my own personality in tact. I suppose I could just be completely unlikable to interviewers, though that doesn't bear itself out elsewhere in my life. So what gives? Do I have a chance at actually doing the sort of work that I want to at any decent level, or should I be considering heading elsewhere? I'm no stranger to failure, I've experienced it all the way through university, but I'm bordering on 3 years without any sort of win, and I'm just tired, and wondering if it's worth continuing to dust myself off for a profession that doesn't seem to want me.
  5. whoknows

    2L Summer (2019) Recruit PFOs/ITCs

    Death, taxes, early Davies PFOs.
  6. whoknows

    2L Fall Course Selection

    Freedman is a solid prof who blends both a practical and academic perspective in class. He doesn't give many A's, but that's the nature of law school. Sure, he's love or hate, but if you read his notes and answer the fucking questions as he asks them, it's not hard to do well.
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    Interests Section

    Meh. It was always said as a joke, but I have gotten it multiple times.
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    Attire for 'coffee chat' style meetings

    I can't remember. But I'm fairly sure it was solid tie on patterned shirt and very well put together.
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    Attire for 'coffee chat' style meetings

    This makes me feel so much better about last year when we met for coffee. I wore dress pants/shirt and jacket no tie and you showed up rocking what can only be described as a baller 3 piece suit. Boy did I feel like I'd failed.
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    Interests Section

    Sometimes to save space you can use one interest to tie in another. For example, my resume notes my love of hockey, that I play recreationally, and that I keep up with the news around the NHL through a variety of podcasts. I've had employers completely ignore the hockey, instead asking me about podcasts, which ones I like, why I like them, etc. Also, if you mention a team but are interviewing elsewhere, be prepared for the question "If you work in x are you prepared to cheer for x team instead?".
  11. Hey, if it means anything, I'm in the same situation, continue to fall through the cracks. Above average grades, clinic experience, strong business-law courses and interest. Didn't have a summer job this year despite over 100 applications, haven't secured articles. I'm also a white male. The reality is most places want you to have some experience to give you experience. And that can make the difference. And I get it. But my lack of law experience/business experience isn't because I don't want it. It's because runners-up for 25 jobs don't get to put anything on their resume. It's at a point where I've reserved myself to the fact I'm not likely going to get to do the type of work that I want to do, and that it's time to figure out how I'm going to be happy regardless.
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    Partner Compensation in Canada vs US?

    If any of the non-sisters are reading this, some of us lowly folks just want a job at a place that allows us to do work we're interested in. Feel free to PM. Christ this conversation is depressing.
  13. whoknows

    Average salary first year call Toronto

    I desperately wish I was more interested in PI. So many firms/available jobs and good pay on top of that. What a boon.
  14. whoknows

    Student Average Hours/Week

    Hey, fair enough. I can only work off what people tell me.
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    Student Average Hours/Week

    I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but Big-Law on Bay and work life balance early career is pretty standard across the firms, from what I understand. And from talking to lawyers who work there, it's less that this area has less hours or more hours (with some exceptions, and obviously firm dependent) and more how those hours allocate themselves. Example, I've spoken to litigators who basically clock 50 hour weeks steadily, with a jump to 70+ in the lead up to trial. I've similarly spoken to bankruptcy/insolvency counsel who have had a year of billing 1500 hours followed by a 2200 hour year based on the economy turning. Certain areas are more cyclical than others, but usually the time balances out over the course of months and years.