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  1. White collar is maybe feasible—maybe—in a conventional Big Law lateral move, after articling in Canada at a high-profile firm. I have no idea how you’d pull it off if you wanted to do ‘real’ criminal law. (As others have pointed out, you’d basically need to convince someone to hire you—and you’re a Canadian completely oblivious to US criminal and constitutional law, with an A average from a university that is unknown and literally unaccredited in the US.) I’m sure it’s technically possible but the hurdles seem massive. If money is truely no object, I’d consider an LLM or something. Just so you could network etc.
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    How to research firms AND their reputations?

    The OCI process is, as a process, bullshit. I know this sounds like both (i) sour grapes and (ii) validation for whatever it is you are feeling right now, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. You're obviously smart and engaged and I have no reason to think you have poor grades (and some reason to think you have very good grades). I hope you get good news. Resentment can't help, obviously, and not getting a position through OCI's isn't the end of the world (also obviously). But whatever the outcome, it's important to remember -- and really, this applies to everyone -- that success or lack thereof at OCIs is not even a reflection of your ability, much less a measure of your worth.
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    Did I just screw myself?

    You didn’t screw yourself, although it’s not ideal. They look at your best score. You could get in with your stats as they are — I’d guess your odds are about even. You’ll have to think about whether it makes sense to write a third time, or if you want to roll the dice. Edit: The actual language is “If more than one LSAT score is reported, all LSAT scores within the past five years will be seen and considered by the Admissions Committee. Generally, we place emphasis on the highest LSAT score reported.” From here.
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    Should I go to law school in the US?

    1. I was referring to the difficulty of going from, say, Osgoode to a job in New York. Every year some students are hired by firms down south. (At U of T it can be as much as 10% of the class.) But these positions are highly competitive and firms are very grade selective. With respect to American law schools, conventional wisdom is that NY Big Law is the easiest market to get to. No one cares about ‘local ties’ in NY—and, more importantly, there are a ton of jobs. (The most competitive market is probably Washington, DC.) However! It’s still hard in the sense that you can quite easily go to a T14 law school and fail to secure a position. 2. It doesn’t really matter. You will have one year of work experience baked in to your student visa. Then, once you have a job, you apply for an H1-B through your prospective employer. If that doesn’t work out, you can fall back on NAFTAs TN status (knock on wood). You may be at a disadvantage with smaller firms, but the big shops hire foreign nationals all the time.
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    Should I go to law school in the US?

    This is a perennial issue on these forums and I’m sure you can find stuff if you search. But the long and the short is that it’s probably a mistake to go to a US law school unless (1) money is no object, due to personal circumstances or scholarships; and (2) you are happy to work—at least initially—in the US; and (3) you get into a top school. The reasons are probably obvious: US law schools are incredibly expensive. Even many good schools don’t guarantee you the high-paying corporate law job which can make that debt manageable. But even if you secure one of those positions, is that really what you want? To be shackled to your desk by your debt? Many of the things your peers chase will be inacccessible (e.g. clerkship or the federal public sector). If you decide to come back to Canada after graduation—assuming you are cool paying off your debt on a significantly lower salary in Toronto—you will likely have to write a series of exams in addition to the bar. Personally speaking, I would only go to the US if I got into Harvard or Yale, which have sterling reputations and relatively generous financial aid/debt forgiveness programs. (Harvard even has a special loan program for foreign students, if memory serves.) I’d think long and hard about anything else. You can go to the NY from U of T, Osgoode, or McGill—but, that said, if your overriding concern is working in the US, you should know that it’s hard to pull off. Anyway, just some other thoughts: Not being a US citizen doesn’t matter all that much except for government employment, where it is determinative. I’m not sure what the deal is with funding. I think you have to get a loan in Canada (unless you go to Harvard in which case that special program is available to you), but I haven’t looked into it. I do think you flirt with disaster going to the US. Do you think you want to do criminal defence? Public interest work? Government work? Do you want to work a job with regular hours? How sure are you the answer to these questions is no? There are so many unhappy lawyers, and I suspect that part of the reason is the law-school-to-big-law slide. I happen to have no aversion to Big Law, but I’m glad I have the choice.
  6. Without getting into the reasons, I turned down a bunch of OCIs (in a previous cycle) for sought-after firms/government offices. No idea how much movement there is on the waitlist, but definitely don’t count yourself out yet.
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    Summer Student Salaries?

    The culture thing is obviously correct — but it is hilarious how hard it is to actually discern firms’ culture given (1) the omertà here regarding discussion of specific firms’ merits, (2) the LSO blackout period, and (3) the whirlwind that is the OCI process itself. Especially if you are not residing in the market in which you are applying, or attend a law school that doesn’t place tons of people through OCIs. I don’t blame people for trying to make comparisons on the basis of salary in this environment.
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    What type of Law is each school known for?

    Ottawa has the strongest international law faculty in the country by a pretty significant margin. But Erin is right. All schools are strong in those areas, in part because those areas are colossal. And, to the extent your school matters for getting a job in a particular field, it is not due to the relative expertise of the faculty.
  9. I’ve heard of typewriters being used for particularly sensitive arbitrations, to avoid leaks. Entire awards. Sounds ridiculous, but there you go. Some stuff you just don’t want in bits and bytes.
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    This may be true. I don’t know. The real thing people ‘worry’ about, with respect to grades, is the propensity of professors to give LPs. Students are under the impression or misapprehension that certain professors give out more LPs than others. I believe* LPs are discretionary, from 0% up to 10% of the class. I couldn’t name professors with reps either way (i.e. that regularly give out a lot of LPs or none), and have no data to corroborate this. The ‘antidote’ to this worry, obviously, is to work hard enough that no professor has reason to give you an LP. My experience with professors has been pretty much uniformly positive and I wouldn’t sweat it, OP. I’m actually kind of excited to hear about Hadfield.
  11. ‘Small and midsized firms can have nepotistic hiring practices’ is a really horrible (and kinda hilarious) response to the claim that ‘small and midsized firms can have discriminatory hiring practices.’ Something being true doesn’t make that and other objectionable practices justified. Edit: My habit of obsessively editing posts has made this different from the quote below. But uhh I stand by everything(?).
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    Mid-life crisis during Articling?

    God forbid they grew up in Toronto.
  13. I had no idea Clyde & Co. had a Toronto office! I don't know anything about them, sadly. You may want to reach out to former students etc. if you want to learn more. Clyde & Co. is obviously an international brand, but I have no idea what the Toronto office's work is like. I note that the firm's Toronto and Montreal offices appear to have been established in 2011 through the acquisition of Nicholl Paskell-Mede, an insurance boutique. That probably colours a bunch of the work they do today, and it is an area in which Clyde & Co. is internationally well regarded. (Incidentally, Clyde & Co. is the only Band 1 insurance disputes firm in Canada on Chambers. Who knew?)
  14. Really depends on what you mean by ‘international’ firm. I will try to unpack that a bit: Several prominent and great Canadian firms are members of ‘vereins,’ a type of Swiss corporate structure the details of which are immaterial. The upshot is that they are largely independent from the branches in other countries. Such firms include Norton Rose, DLA Piper, Baker Mackenzie, and Dentons. It’s probably best to think of these guys as large national firms, with an international network. An exception might be made for Gowlings WLG, which is basically just a Canadian and a UK firm grafted together — no idea how that affects their work. Then there are Canadian firms with foreign satellite offices. The satellite office is often very small, and often generates work for the home office in Toronto. There are too many examples and permutations to list: Many firms have very small offices in London and New York. Faskens, has an office Johannesburg—presumably to service mining clients. Osler has a relatively large New York office, which I believe does more substantive work in the city for Canadian clients. Then there are American firms with Toronto satellite offices. Paul, Weiss and Sullivan & Cromwell come to mind, although I believe there are more. These offices (i) pay ridiculously well but (ii) are tiny and (iii) do essentially one type of work: cross-border capital markets. The ‘genuinely’ international firms, if we want to call them that, don’t really have presences in Toronto. Thinking of places like Allen & Overy, Freshfields, White & Case, to name a few. These firms would be distinguished from the vereins in that, although they operate internationally, they remain largely cognizable as a single firm. Often they market themselves specifically to handle international transactions or disputes. I am sure I have said lots of stupid things in the above, but hope that is helpful.
  15. Maybe this is just stating the obvious, but prestige can be both an end and a means. In fact, I’d say that prestige is frequently chased by law students precisely because prestige itself is considered to be a means to (perhaps more noble!) ends. It’s easier to get that relatively cushy in-house job or that amazing public interest gig or that elite boutique job when you have a resume laced with prestigous ‘things,’ the argument runs. (This is sometimes conflated with or disguised, I think, by the assertion that Bay Street firms or whatever will ‘train you well.’) Is this incorrect? Is it wrong?