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  1. Most people in society would say that you should have moved out of your parents' home permanently by your mid-late 20s. But how is this possible if you're graduating from law school with high five figures or six figure debt? The salary I make is barely enough to pay off my credit card and minimum student loans each month. How do you then afford rent or a downpayment on a house? How did other people here make it work?
  2. I really don't think it helps much. When I did OCIs at Oz, many of the B/B+ and even the rare C+ students (connections, nepotism, varsity athletes, etc.) were hired over the A students. The grades can get you the interview, but you have 17 minutes to sell yourself in an interview and make the people sitting across from you like you. Your grades are not what is going to make them like you, but rather how you converse with them and your personality.
  3. We see a lot of threads where people ask about going to law school at a later age, but what are the experiences of all those young lawyers out there (mostly those who go to law school at 21 and 22 right out of undergrad) As a lawyer who is 25 or 26, how are you finding the legal profession, your work, how employers, peers, and laypersons perceive you, etc. Anyone feel free to share your thoughts on this.
  4. I have a strong suspicion that this comment is going to derail this thread. 😃
  5. The clinic is facing a lot of uncertainty now with losing its lease and massive cuts by legal aid ontario. I'm surprised that they're still taking students given the layoffs I heard happening.
  6. I would say the Advanced Business Law workshop with Davies and Parkdale Intensive Program. I know someone working in New York right now who really tried for Parkdale and couldn't get it. They probably receive the most applicants out of all the clinical programs.
  7. I don't know. Emotional intelligence and mental illness as a required 1L course may not be a bad idea given how it's so prevalent in law school and the legal profession and a neglected topic.
  8. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you're more interested in the personal services areas of law or government, in which case, accepting a Biglaw job with no intention of being a corporate lawyer may not be the best idea here. Did you apply to litigation boutiques and the Crown/DOJ? There are lots of opportunities to article with the MAG as well.
  9. I actually found that many of the older students had an advantage in legal employment, as they were more grounded and had a maturity and work experience that the younger students lacked.
  10. No 2L summer job here. Graduated from law school and doing just fine now. The important thing is to get called to the bar. You have the rest of 2L and 3L and even after 3L to find an articling position, and now there is the LPP program as well.
  11. Schools with less stringent admissions requirements, party-type culture, and overall weaker student body. Ottawa. Look into Windsor, Alberta, Calgary, UNB, and Lakehead too. Maybe Western and Queen's for the party-culture associated with these schools.
  12. Where do you want to work? In what area/s of law?
  13. OP, PM me as well if you'd like further information. The only U of T job prospects I've seen is increased placement rates on Bay and New York. A lot of people on this forum don't realize that this accounts for just 20% of all legal jobs and that 70-80% of law students get jobs outside of these processes. If you have questions about the merits of these schools outside of the Biglaw 2L hiring process, you can PM me and I'd be happy to fill you in.
  14. https://www.lexpert.ca/directory/practice-areas/ranking/ Check out this link. Health law is such a niche field that it's not even listed in the practice area directory. Find the places you'd potentially like to work at, and read the bios of people there. http://www.cba.org/Sections/Health-Law/About https://www.oba.org/Sections/Health-Law Read up here and maybe even reach out to some people.
  15. Dalhousie is a good choice if you want to do the combined degree. I know people who filled their degree with courses in one area of law, then went on to practice in a completely unrelated area. There aren't enough health law courses in law school to fill an entire degree. You can do it for criminal and business law, but health law is a very niche area and most law schools only have a handful of courses in this area. Honestly, you've shown enough of an interest in health law, especially with your master's degree, that it won't make much of a difference to future employers. They'll know when they see your application that health law and policy is your main area of interest. Ottawa is a good place to be for government, but are there a lot of health law opportunities there? This is what you should research and find out.
  16. You should go to the law school in the province you want to work in, and plenty of students have went on to work in health law (which also tends to intersect with many other areas of law) from Saskatchewan and Western. In addition, health law is more of a niche field, so there really is no one law school that specializes in this area. You'll receive the base fundamental education from all Canadian law schools, and can go into any area of law that you want. More importantly, your interests may very well change in law school or early on in practice. If you want to work in Ontario, it's pretty foolish to write off Western simply because you think it doesn't have a health law focus. How many health law courses do you think you're going to be taking at Dal or Ottawa (first year is usually made up of all required courses like property, contracts, torts, constitutional, legal ethics, criminal, etc. with one elective)? There is a difference between practicing law and doing policy and theoretical work. Most of your post indicates that you like research, policy, and academia, but most lawyers do not do this. Most people do not go to law school to do this. But, yes, it definitely sounds like health law is where you want to be. You need to understand that this is a very niche area and very few jobs are here for law students and recent graduates. CAMH hires 1 articling student, and the Ministry of Health and Long-term Care hires 2. Most people I know who were interested in health law went into personal injury and insurance defence, as there are lots of opportunities in these fields. If you want to go into personal injury or insurance defence, then it definitely does not matter where you go for law school. The best advice is to attend law school in the province that you want to work in, as you will be learning the laws of that province and getting to know the people and legal entities within that region.
  17. Wow..yea definitely, foreign law schools are more affordable to Canadians than Canadian law schools. To hell with them privileged elitists who only got into law school in Canada by attending Upper Canada College, and studying 24/7 with no other responsibilities. Students can't secure loans from Canadian banks and the government to attend law school in Canada, but they sure as hell can for foreign law schools that have their own private chartered banks offering discounts to Canadian students. Yessir! OP, I'll be blunt with you. I went to law school with refugees and mature students who were caring for young children while in school. I went to law school in Toronto and am a coloured person myself who grew up in poverty. I would have put you in your place if you talked to me or someone else like this in real life, but will say nothing more about it here. You lack empathy for people. Straight up. Everyone has different struggles in life and students work very hard to get into law school, survive law school, and become lawyers. Even a privileged student studying 24/7 with no financial responsibilities may have had to battle mental health and depression, family problems, and other personal problems of their own. These aren't machines we are talking about here, but real people. Get a hold of yourself. Based on your profile picture and name, I am assuming you are a Black woman (please correct me if I am wrong). I went to law school with a lot of Black men and women, and many of them did not come from privilege (though the topic of their upbringing rarely came up as we're not there to compare our family wealth, contrary to what your misconceptions seem to be). Good luck to you.
  18. https://lawstudents.ca/forums/forum/18-us-and-other-foreign-schools/ If you're considering the foreign law route, make sure to do a lot of reading in this sub as well. Also, the definition of a "successful" foreign trained lawyer can vary per person, but most foreign trained law students that I've seen, struggled to land articling and associate positions - especially if they don't have connections through nepotism. I see a lot of them work as legal assistants for a number of years, before being offered an articling position by that same employer, who are then called to the bar but not hired back. Many become sole practitioners or work in small firms doing personal injury, insurance defence, residential real estate, etc. and other small firm work. So to be fair, there are no doubt successful foreign trained lawyers in Canada, but you should also consider how long it took them to get there, how many years for schooling and NCA exams, and how much money it cost them in total. There are simply a lot of good firms and government positions that won't even look at you with a foreign law degree from an unknown school, let alone one that was completed online. It comes down to your career goals at the end of the day. Where do you see yourself working after all this? To me personally, I know quite a few lawyers in Canada with law degrees from the UK (including the schools you want to apply to), and I don't think they work at good firms - even though some people may think they're successful lawyers because they make a decent living. And on top of that, many of them only got a job through family connections.
  19. That all comes down to connections and networking.
  20. While I don't disagree with this post, I would just add that most students going to U of T or Osgoode are also not looking to work in Montreal or bilingual (which I assume is a disadvantage to working in that region). https://www.law.utoronto.ca/about/jd-first-year-class-profile According to U of T law's first year class profile, only 22% identified as being fluent in English and French.
  21. The only people from U of T I know that went into those fields were JD/MBAs. Same goes for Osgoode. Otherwise, I do know senior associates and partners who practiced Biglaw for a number of years (from a variety of different schools) that ended up switching into non-legal business practices (most starting in more entry level business positions). JDs operate in a different playing field than undergraduate students getting hired into these fields out of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year. It's difficult for a JD to get into some of these business positions without connections, experiences, and most importantly, a business or STEM background (you're also competing with MBAs with years of industry experience for these roles). I think the reason you won't find a lot of law school graduates there is because most people do not drop all that time and money into a law degree, to then decide they want to quit law altogether directly out of law school, and go into business. That person could have done that through an undergraduate business/STEM degree or MBA/masters in finance program. A law degree really is not the best move to make if you're looking to go into investment banking, private equity, high finance, etc. Edit: The reason you may be seeing more U of T alumni in these positions is also because more U of T law students want to go into Biglaw/get hired into Biglaw, and so, some of them will later go on to leave law and move into private equity, consulting, investment banking, etc. Unless you're a JD/MBA or a law student with a significant amount of business experience prior to law school, there is a slim chance you're going to come out of U of T law and land at Goldman Sachs. An Osgoode grad did it but he was the Gold Medalist AND a JD/MBA, BBA graduate (https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-pucher-4922035/).
  22. Where's the discrepancy? You scored an 80th percentile on the LSAT, which is higher than 80% of test-takers. The LSAT is a standardized test and not the same as 4 years of undergraduate education. You can't measure your LSAT performance with that of your undergraduate degree. You're in everywhere except U of T.
  23. What are your expectations? How much money are you looking to make coming out of law school, how much debt do you want to take on, and what are your alternative career options if you do not go to law school? If you want to practice law, then go to law school. That is why it's there. I went to Osgoode and average age for first years in my class was 26. You'll be a few years older than a lot of people, but there are tons of people going to law school in their late 20s and early-mid 30s. There are even people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s going to law school. Don't discount law school just because someone said you were too old or the market sucks. Which market do you want to work in?
  24. Sounds like you're more suited to work in a small firm setting, legal clinic, or government. Once you get called to the bar you can go anywhere, so maybe consider pushing on with this this until then. 60 hours a week in law is actually less than what a lot of people work. I think your expectations were out of line because law school has almost nothing to do with the practice of law itself. I know many lawyers who did poorly in law school, but are excellent in their practice now. However, if you really are feeling suicidal and suffering from mental health issues, then you may want to consider leaving and reassessing your life. You only need to complete articling to practice as a lawyer. Know that you can still take your law degree and work in other fields like public policy and business. It's a versatile degree so it's not as if you're only limited to practicing law with a law degree. I know one person who never articled and works for the government as a policy analyst now, and I know others who left the practice of law once they were called to the bar. Your life is just starting and far from being over. It just sounds like the practice of law may not be for you, at least in a mid-sized/large firm setting where you are expected to put in more hours. Though, keep in mind that if you want to have a successful law practice then you reap what you sow, and most lawyers - even sole practitioners - are working 60+ hours a week. My buddy is articling for a sole practitioner now and also works 60+ hours a week. Law is almost never a 9-5 job, so if that is what you expected then you probably came to law school for the wrong reasons.
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