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  1. Yea, I found it weird that they offered to show them as well, but some people are very open about their applications and academics. OP - if I were you, I would try and get in touch with some current students or alumni (through the school or maybe you can track down some connections through friends, family or online - you can easily browse through some firms websites and find some alum, shoot them an email and set up a coffee to pick their brain). That's the best way to find out what the program is truly like while you're in school as well as beyond.
  2. I'm a 1L dual and can answer a few of your questions. 1. I wouldn't consider the US school at all. If your goal is to practice in Canada, go to school in Canada. 2. Yes the dual is expensive, but you do have financial assistance as others pointed out and you can also apply for external scholarships. 3. The perception on this website that the dual is a last resort option for Canadians is just plain stupid. For some people, yes it is the only program they got into and they're pissed at the cost but they CHOSE to attend. They could have declined and re-applied the following year but they chose not to and that was their decision. However, being a dual myself, I know for a fact that the majority of 2018 duals do have the intention of using their US law degree in some capacity. Also, duals in the past have secured joint Canadian/US summer positions, there are some alumni currently working in Manhattan, and many more in and around Michigan, Chicago, etc. I can also tell you that quite a few duals declined other offers from Canadian schools to be here. I don't doubt what my classmates have said since I am also a dual who declined other Canadian offers to attend the dual, and the duals are very open about their academics (for example, I have seen some peoples grade reports and old acceptance letters/emails). 4. The answer to your question about classes and where they are held can be found in another "ask me anything" thread I started. Take a look at that and it might answer a few other questions as well. Good luck!
  3. Yes you can. You would apply to transfer into the single JD program via OLSAS as if you would apply to transfer to any other law school after 1L at any school.
  4. Personally, I enjoy the program. It has its highs and lows, but overall its great. There are some administrative and scheduling issues that need to be handled, and sometimes having to go to both schools on the same day (very rare) is a pain in the ass, but nothing substantial enough that I would warn to take into consideration before coming here. In terms of academics, it's a lot of work but its not impossible. I chose the dual because I want to work in the US, and also because the Windsor JD to me is better than the other single JD programs that I was admitted to. I realize that's not a very helpful answer, but that was why. There are a lot of people who did get into different single JD programs, and there are also those who only came here because it was the only one they got into. Everyone has their reasons, but a good chunk of the class does have an interest in working in the US. You don't need one. Most people do but its not absolutely necessary because everyone carpools to UDM. You will definitely have a way to get there. A lot of people who do have cars here sometimes don't even use them for weeks because there is no need. Its a dual program between both schools, so its open to everyone. Canadians apply to Windsor via OLSAS and select the dual option, and I would assume Americans apply to UDM through LSAC and do something similar.
  5. Its hard to say since I'm only a 1L. That question is better suited for an alumni of the program. I'll go off on a tangent here and say that despite its poor ranking, UDM does have some pretty neat opportunities that you wouldn't otherwise get at a Canadian school, like externing with a Judge. UDM also does really well in moots. Upper years can probably vouch for the clinic opportunities better than I, but something like the veterans law clinic in the US is far more interesting than in Canada. Of course its not worth paying close to triple the tuition just for these extra things. If you have absolutely no interest in the US side and have gotten into a different Canadian school and are okay with that going to that school, then you should go there. If you only got into the dual and not the single JD Windsor program, but you really want the Windsor JD, then its a judgement call. Keep in mind you can also try and transfer into the single JD program from the dual after 1L, but not vice-versa. The school can put you in touch with a dual alumni if you would like to get an answer to that question, but in my opinion, I would try and get in contact with one yourself rather than go through the school. They will likely put you in touch with someone who is doing very well, and/or who they know will only say positive things.
  6. I should clarify when I said "For example, you may go through 8-10 cases for any given topic of contracts, property or criminal law", I meant to say "For example, you may go through 8-10 cases for any given topic of contracts, property or criminal law FROM THE CANADIAN SIDE"
  7. We definitely have a lot more work that the singles, but you still have time to devote to other stuff. The US modules don't require the same amount of time you would put into your Canadian courses because there is not as much material covered. For example, you may go through 8-10 cases for any given topic of contracts, property or criminal law, but in the US you will probably only go through 3-4, so there is far less to take away from those lessons. A lot of people, if not everyone, is involved with something or the other. I can't think of one person who didn't do one extracurricular activity all year, if not more than one. The overwhelming majority have a student line of credit. Windsor has a deal with scotiabank for 150k lines at prime plus half. Some people also have OSAP. Keep in mind the school also had financial aid - this year they increased the amount to give out to dual students only by 50k, so that was helpful. I would tell a prospective student to enjoy their summer, because you're about to walk into a lot of work. To be fair, any single JD student would probably say this too. The duals schedule is pretty brutal when you incorporate all the events you want to go to, or tutorials (optional but most find them helpful) so its even more applicable to those prospective students. If you want to get a jump start on things, you could familiarize yourself with the court systems of both countries (history of the development of each, hierarchy, different circuits in the US, maybe look at the model penal code in the US vs the common law code) but nothing more than that.
  8. Typical schedule is 2 days a week at UDM, the other 3 at Windsor. This year we had: Monday - criminal law at Windsor Tuesday - research and writing at UDM, sometimes followed by a US contracts, property or criminal law module Wednesday - constitutional law at windsor Thursday - contracts and property at Windsor Friday - research and writing at UDM, sometimes followed by a US contracts, property or criminal law module As for the summer, you take two courses at UDM. They're 3-4 hour long classes, four days a week starting at 6pm. We start late May and end mid to late July.
  9. Export to word and edit/format from there. Delete all the lines and just underline your text.
  10. That 39,600 number is for both schools. Its about 18k Canadian for Windsor, and then you pay roughly 23k US to UDM, so the total number varies depending on the exchange rate.
  11. I'm a 1L dual this year. Class size is 93. In terms of cost, given the exchange rate, tuition will be about $45k this year. I actually chose the dual over some other single Canadian JD programs for a few reasons, but ultimately the big one was that the Windsor JD program is, at least to me, better than the other Canadian JD programs that I was admitted to for my long-term goals. I have also always had an interest in working in the US. Despite the low ranking of UDM, at least this gives me that option. I won't lie to you - it seems like quite a few people in the program this year are here because its the only one they got into (a handful have openly admitted it). That being said, there are a few dual US/Canadian citizens, and a large majority have a very strong interest in working in the US. There are also tons of people with really impressive backgrounds. Before I got here, I kind of expected it to be less-professional in the sense that people aren't super academically inclined, motivated, don't have much life/work experience and whatnot, but its not at all like that. There are tons of really smart and interesting people here - sometimes this forum doesn't really reflect the reality of the program. Anyways, for some people the dual makes sense but like Arnie20 would probably agree, it's definitely not for everyone. If you'd like more info on anything, feel free to PM me if you want!
  12. i was wondering if anyone has lived here before and what they thought about the place? Any management problems, bed bugs, mice, etc. I wasn't able to find much online about it so I thought I would ask here. Also, is anyone else planning to live in the downtown-ish area at all?
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