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  1. If you get a 160 on your LSAT, you are in for sure at Western and Queen's.
  2. I would say no. As a Western grad I know for a fact that some HBA/JDs are not immune from falling through the cracks during the OCI process and not landing a job. Grades +good resume stand out more than your undergraduate degree in my opinion.
  3. Class of 2020 grad here who just finished 3L. Articling opportunities popped up throughout the year – some were very great positions and obviously still competitive. I find that some firms at this stage focused a bit more on fit and experience in the designated practice area instead of strictly grades. I would apply broadly given the current state of the economy. Many 3Ls had their articling interviews cancelled this year or job cancelled altogether. Also, as you go into 3L without a job, please note that the last thing on your mind should be "3LOL" as some people call it. Your grades still matter, do the best job you can. If you have an interview in February or March 2021, they will see your 3L fall marks – if they are stellar, they have even greater reason to hire you. Keep focused, apply broadly, network, hopefully things work out.
  4. Never went to either of these schools but did go to a school in Ontario. All things being equal, I would go to the place that would cost less. Legal education is (unjustifiably) expensive, and you should try to minimize debt the best you can. I have met some individuals from Windsor over the years. Many of them are bright, capable students that have great articling jobs and associate positions. As much as there may be a stigma about Windsor, I find it is mostly unfounded and the only people that really talk about it are people on this forum. Sure, they place fewer students on Bay, but they are still a respectable school producing great lawyers, I am sure your experience there will be what you make of it – same goes for TRU.
  5. Until you disclose what your actual CGPA and last 2 GPA are, what your LSAT is, and what range you are now practicing in, you will not get very detailed advice on your question. That said, don't go to England. You are better off studying for the LSAT and improving your score. You may think you are "wasting" a year but you will actually be wasting a year or 2 drudging through your NCA exams and struggling to find an articling position anyway when you come back from abroad.
  6. I am not totally sure about this, and someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe LAO Duty Counsel have a pretty decent work-life balance given the fact that they go home when the courthouse is closed.
  7. I graduated recently. I was often very anxious during law school because I was just an average, and sometimes below average law student. Once I graduated, found a great articling job, and reflected on it all, I realized I had a lot to be thankful for. I got in to law school and did great academically in undergrad, so what if I wasn't an award winning law student? I still had a seat at the table and did well enough, made great friends, and found a position. I look forward to the challenges yet to come in legal practice – I got into this field to use my knowledge to help people and find solutions and I am excited to begin. I found myself feeling a lot better mentally when I stopped constantly checking how well my peers were doing academically, got off social media, and immersed myself in nature and exercise.
  8. Been a little while since I applied but IIRC a 3.64 and a 163 LSAT might be good enough for Osgoode. Check out past accepted threads to get a better idea.
  9. You can make yourself stand out for certain jobs. For example, let's say you are applying to a criminal law or family law position, you would definitely highlight your respective experiences in these areas in your cover letter. This could be the classes you took, the clinics you have done, internships, externships, shadowing opportunities etc. I also went to Western and had average grades with some below average. I obviously can't quantify exactly how much less competitive the recruit is compared to the 2L recruit but I definitely think there was a noticeable difference. I got interviews for some great positions, some interviewers remarked to me how grades were not a huge concern in comparison to fit/interest. One interviewer told me he did not care about my grades at all and was much more interested in my networking ability and interest in the firm's area of practice– note, this was a decent sized firm of 10 ish lawyers and was a well paid position. Like you already said, some of the highest achieving students in your class have probably already locked up 2L jobs that will turn into articling jobs, but not all of them did, and, unfortunately, some students are still left without articles by the time graduation rolls around.
  10. Hello @Shankar it looks like you are a 2L headed to 3L applying for the articling recruit. The articling recruit – albeit maybe not as competitive as the 2L OCI recruit – is still fairly competitive. You should apply broadly and to any firm you think you would like to work at. Keep in mind that some employers tend to get niche at this part of the recruit (some crim solo practitioners for example) – you don't have to apply so broadly that you end up applying to places where you really have no interest in working or demonstrable passion for. Apply broadly, but quality > quantity.
  11. I didn't get a job through OCIs but I know many who did. Not all of them had law related summer experience. Some of them shadowed lawyers, went on vacation, worked retail jobs, worked jobs at a summer camp etc. I think their grades + law school experience (clinics, moots, clubs) and well roundedness is what mattered more than anything.
  12. Congrats @canuckfanatic. This is an informative graphic and one that I can also relate to. It isn't easy to land a job, but most of us do and we each have our own unique journey. Interesting how you landed your position through a cold call as well, this should serve as some motivation for others still looking. Enjoy your gig!
  13. If you strike out at the organized 2L recruit, and end up looking for articles after 2L and/or during 3L then your EC's do matter. Smaller shops or soles will not take you seriously unless you can show some demonstrated interest in what they do.
  14. This post is a great reminder – we could all benefit from being gentle and courteous, even if that means injecting some tough love into certain posts. There is a line between constructive advice/criticism and snarkiness, that I am sure many of us have crossed before. This is a great community for applicants, law students and lawyers – we should all strive to keep it that way. In the past, when I was a mere applicant, I received unsolicited words of encouragement and congratulations from some members of this community and it made me happy to be a part of it. I have also been fortunate to receive detailed articling advice and career advice from other members. All in all, this makes me happy that I am entering this profession.
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