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  1. 1) Have a good answer to why you want to work in that practice area (this will likely be very important to the firm). 2) Communicate your interest clearly. Often small/boutique firms are hiring less people and so they can be concerned about making offers to people who might take an offer elsewhere. If you are a large firm hiring 20 students you have many people calling students with offers and a deep list of candidates to move down if someone rejects your offer. At a small firm if your top 5 candidates accept offers at other firms you do not have as deep of a list of other candidates you are excited about hiring. Because of this, smaller firms will often choose a safe bet (someone who communicated they REALLY REALLY want to work there) over a stellar candidate who seems to be torn between them and a full service firm. Good luck!!
  2. Sounds good to me! Wear what makes you feel comfortable and confident!
  3. Hi maybemaybe, I think that you would benefit from speaking with a career counselor at your school or maybe trying to reach out to someone in a position you are interested for a zoom coffee chat to get an understanding of the path they took to get there and their day-to-day. I think that PlayALawyerOnTV and BringBackCrunchBerries' caution about earning expectations is not about whether $120k after 6 years in government is reasonable, but more about whether it is reasonable to embark on the costly journey into law with very specific expectations about where you will be working, for how many hours a week, for x amount of money. After reading some of your posts, I get the sense that you are considering law school because it seems like an acceptable and well-respected career path for a (probably) fairly high achieving person in undergrad and you are trying to balance a desire for having some sort of well-respected career with a reasonable work-life balance. To that I say....SAME. However, after seeing where me and my classmates ended up after law school I would caution against pursuing law with such a specific outcome in mind. I don't personally know many people who ended up where they thought they would be on day one of law school. I also get the sense that you have a limited understanding of what the hell it is that people are paid to do in offices all day i.e. your perspective on careers is lawyer, doctor, teacher, engineer etc. I had the exact same perspective when I was in my undergrad and to some extent still do. That is why I would highly recommend speaking with a career counselor who will help you explore other options which might be a good fit for you. Law and law school will always be there and it is probably better for you to make the law/law school decision with a bit more perspective.
  4. Pomodoro method is very helpful (especially if your phone is blowing up all day and you can't help but look at it every 2 seconds) the 15-20 minute power nap was so helpful for me in undergrad and law school alternating between screen and paper drinking a LOT of water and eating apples - coffee makes your brain think that it isn't sleepy, drinking a lot of water and eating an apple will actually make you ALERT
  5. Could you please explain how it is "clear" to you that the poster's "right to post" is under attack? (honestly) Bonus if you could also help me understand where their "right to post" derives from?
  6. I work at a mid-sized boutique firm in TO. I would say 70% of the associates and 50% of the partners have 1 or more dogs. When I do zoom hearings a dog makes their presence known at least 7 times out of 10. The only time anyone has ever brought their dog to the office was to pick up something from the office - in and out. I think it is very normal for lawyers to have dogs. I personally got my dog in law school so he is more independent now then he was when we first got him. I am also part of a two dog parent household and for us it would not be possible (read: fair to the dog) to be sole caregivers. I think that when you have a schedule where there is a possibility for long days at the office, you need some form of backup for looking after the dog. At some firms face time truly does not matter, so leaving work at 5 to let the dog out and working from home for the evening would not be frowned up. But if you work in an office where face time matters you might get stuck between resenting your firm for making you feel pressured to stay in the evenings and simultaneously resenting your dog for making you feel pressured to leave at 5.
  7. I wonder if any of those responsible for the spreadsheet ever reached out to any of the "accused" directly to inquire abut their behaviour or express what I'm sure are their verrrrry sincere public health concerns.
  8. This is generally not true in most, if not all, jurisdictions in Canada. It seems like @pele24 took a look at the ESA before posting (probably because they are a practicing lawyer).
  9. Thanks for this take Diplock, it really resonated with me as a young call. One thing that I would add is that lawyers also have multiple roles. Associates are both professionals and employees. Partners are professionals, employers, and business owners. As a young associate it can be difficult to navigate your roles as an employee vs your role as a professional. Something that I think highlights this is that a lot of young calls I have spoken to, including myself, view ourselves as lawyers "at work" but not beyond that. Looking back on my time at law school, I wish that a lot more time was spent on developing yourself as a professional e.g. what does it mean to be a lawyer, be an advocate, etc instead of "here are the rules of professional conduct". While I agree that a lot of this development can and should happen during articling and the first few years of practice, the realities of a busy firm often mean a lot more time experienced as an "employee" and not a lot of time or resources left over to develop as a professional.
  10. OP, I had average grades in law school. I work at a specialized/boutique firm in DT Toronto. Many of my colleagues had average grades in law school, all of my colleagues are crazy smart (according to me and our moms), all of my colleagues are well regarded and respected in the profession, we make great money and do interesting work. This is also the case for basically all of my friends from law school that had "average" grades. Obviously there might be a few specific careers that are off the table on the basis of grades but, with the exception of those really specific opportunities, any career option is available to you. Don't self-select out of anything because you are setting some arbitrary grades ceiling on yourself. In the words of someone much wiser than me "life's what you make it, so let's make it rock". Please try not to stress about your grades. I know that is easier said than done. However, your grades do not define you and your eventual career (and it's relative prestige) will not define you.
  11. OP (and any other pre-law reader) if you have the grades to go to dental school please do not pursue law.
  12. I have no idea if it is "worth" it for you to become a lawyer. However, I can provide you with a bit of perspective. A lot of the clients I work with who have what I will call a "regular office job" and make between $60 000 - $120 000 a year are regularly sending me emails into the wee hours of the night and on Sunday evenings. Unfortunately, the 9-5 is disappearing from a lot of workplaces regardless of compensation. In contrast, in my job I am not often finding myself working into the wee hours of the night or putting in solid days on the weekends and my compensation fits within your desired range. Another anecdote, one of my friends became a research analyst after their Master's at some marketing company where they made $60 k a year. They were regularly given "on my desk tomorrow morning" assignments at 6:00 pm and would therefore find themselves at the office until 2 am. I think that you hear cautionary tales MORE in law and LESS in other fields simply by virtue of the fact that "regular office job" employees 1) don't get together and make online forums to discuss their issues, and 2) undergrad students and law students tend to "network" with lawyers and get the feedback "being a lawyer is the worst, the hours are ridiculous" whereas undergrad students are not reaching out to civil servants/research analysts/insert other job where you send a lot of emails from your desk and asking them "hey how much do you make/what are your hours/would you recommend your job". Good luck with your decision.
  13. Hey all, it is half way through day two. My advice, ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT. Do not be afraid of rejection. Don't sit back and wait - follow up, ask to come back, ask about next steps etc. And remember it is not over until it's over.
  14. 1) send by this evening; 2) recall something that you spoke about; and 3) directly convey interest in the firm/coming back to speak to others etc.
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