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  1. OP (and any other pre-law reader) if you have the grades to go to dental school please do not pursue law.
  2. I have no idea if it is "worth" it for you to become a lawyer. However, I can provide you with a bit of perspective. A lot of the clients I work with who have what I will call a "regular office job" and make between $60 000 - $120 000 a year are regularly sending me emails into the wee hours of the night and on Sunday evenings. Unfortunately, the 9-5 is disappearing from a lot of workplaces regardless of compensation. In contrast, in my job I am not often finding myself working into the wee hours of the night or putting in solid days on the weekends and my compensation fits within your desired range. Another anecdote, one of my friends became a research analyst after their Master's at some marketing company where they made $60 k a year. They were regularly given "on my desk tomorrow morning" assignments at 6:00 pm and would therefore find themselves at the office until 2 am. I think that you hear cautionary tales MORE in law and LESS in other fields simply by virtue of the fact that "regular office job" employees 1) don't get together and make online forums to discuss their issues, and 2) undergrad students and law students tend to "network" with lawyers and get the feedback "being a lawyer is the worst, the hours are ridiculous" whereas undergrad students are not reaching out to civil servants/research analysts/insert other job where you send a lot of emails from your desk and asking them "hey how much do you make/what are your hours/would you recommend your job". Good luck with your decision.
  3. Hey all, it is half way through day two. My advice, ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT. Do not be afraid of rejection. Don't sit back and wait - follow up, ask to come back, ask about next steps etc. And remember it is not over until it's over.
  4. 1) send by this evening; 2) recall something that you spoke about; and 3) directly convey interest in the firm/coming back to speak to others etc.
  5. The best advice I have to give is that call day is not over until its over. Anything can happen on call day. Don't take other people's ITCs or firm's radio silence to heart. Every single year people get unexpected calls. Also if you get an ITC from a firm and then don't hear from them on call day, CALL THE FIRM. Every year there is also some mix up where a call slips through the cracks. Follow up to secure your interview. And good luck, this process does not define your value as a person or your potential success as a lawyer.
  6. ITCs will be really clear and unambiguous. Also, some firms will not send ITCs and just call the day of. Goodluck with the process!
  7. TL/DR: Wondering if June 2020 calls are still entitled whiners now that they might be called any time between June 12, 2020 and "the end of the summer"? Not sure why this thread got derailed to "all of these entitled BABIES are crying about not being able to post instagram pictures in their robes to flex on their friends", but this is what June 2020 calls are actually annoyed about: "The Law Society will commence notifying candidates that they have been administratively licensed in mid-June and will continue to administratively call eligible candidates on a weekly basis until the end of the summer or until all eligible candidates are called. Notifications of licensure will occur every Friday throughout the summer commencing June 12, 2020. Candidates are expected to monitor their online account." This is incredibly frustrating for candidates who were supposed to be called by June 25th. The entire purpose of the administrative call was to quickly license candidates so that they could practice law. I have already heard of people losing their jobs because they cannot let their employer know when they will...you know...be a lawyer.
  8. Generally the questions are short in length, similar to the examples on the LSO website. At the end of each section there are a few longer passages (third of a page) with multiple questions related to that passage.
  9. The problem with this assessment is that the Ontario Bar exams do not "test" any of these things. The Ontario Bar exam tests whether or not a candidate can very quickly use an really large index to locate a word-for-word passage in a very long document. The content of the bar exam could be 100% unrelated to law, it would test the same "skills", and I would bet that the pass rate would remain largely the same. The Bar works like this: Q: Amelia has come to Ridwan to learn how to bake snickerdoodle cookies. What should Ridwan do first? a) tell Amelia that women should not bake cookies (This is a TRAP, intended to expose candidates of poor moral character) b) pre-heat the oven c) gather the ingredients d) start mixing the dry ingredients with the wet ingredients The candidate is not fooled. Clearly A and D are incorrect, it must be B or C. The candidate opens their index to the "Baking" Section, goes to tab C for "cookies", half way down the page the Candidate finds "cookies - snickerdoodle - how to prepare - p 186 R". The candidate flips to page 186 of the "Baking" Section and looks to the right-side column. Half way down the page reads "When baking cookies, a baker should first gather their ingredients and then pre-heat the oven." No explanation is provided to rationalize this order of events. The candidate now knows the answer is "c" gather the ingredients. The candidate has no idea what "ingredients" they would gather. The candidate has never baked cookies and has no idea what the heck a snickerdoodle is. However, NONE of that matters because the candidate got the answer correct. If the candidate can repeatedly complete this process in less than a minute they will be successful. In terms of "developing a strategy to overcome the exam"....this is not happening. The vast majority of candidates are provided with instructions on exactly how to study for the bar. The "strategy" has been developed over years and is passed down. Further, most candidates will use their school network to create indexing groups or use their financial resources to purchase commercial indices. This is by-and-large how candidates pass the exams. Candidates who have limited or no access to a school network or financial resources are greatly disadvantaged. Their inability to develop a comparable strategy to the "inherited strategy" is a reflection of the resources available to them and not their ability to practice law. It may well be that "we need some barriers to the profession"...but the Bar is not a meaningful barrier.
  10. Outgoing 3Ls make an index that is finished by say May 15 for the "June" exam. The index is made by a large group of people and it is updated from an index made the year before. The first group of 3Ls that complete their index sell it to the "index company" and get a deal on practice exams. In mid-June a few thousand people leave printed versions of this index in an exam room.
  11. My limited experience is as follows, I know multiple people who received accommodations throughout law school for a variety of reasons. Every person who comes to mind also has an articling position. Each of these people I personally regard, and were widely regarded, as being intelligent, hard working people. None of these people were asked during the 2L recruitment or the articling recruitment if they received accommodations in law school. This is also true of at least one person who sought accommodations during the application process. At least two of these people are receiving accommodations in articling (one large national firm, one government). Please seek out the accommodations you need.
  12. During the 2L recruit I sat down to dinner of course smushed between two partners. I strongly dislike red wine but I really like steak. I was also already drinking white wine from the reception. I turned to one of the partners and made a joke about wanting to drink white wine but that the steak looked better than the fish. He very gleefully responded "ME TOO!". We mutually agreed to drink the white wine and steak, other people's opinions be damned. I got an offer. I'm sharing this story because I think the interaction was successful because I was authentic to who I was and the firm that I was dining with appreciated and respected that. During this process, as hard as it seems, try to be authentic to who you are. If you do this, there is a good chance that you will land somewhere that will appreciate and respect this. You will be much happier long term.
  13. Realize that the knowledge you used to rank firms in your head comes from a teeny tiny pool. As you go through the process you will gather vastly more knowledge which will almost certainly alter your preferences from your initial ranking. Even at the end of in-firms you will know so much more than you do now and still know practically nothing at all. Keep your mind as open as possible during the process and try not to pre-judge people or situations. Before going into OCIs I wanted to work at my top choice firm SO badly and by the time I left my first in-firm I was e-mailing to say "Thanks but no thanks." The firm I ended up at I actually rolled my eyes when I saw who they sent to interview us at OCIs. Both of them were, of course, lovely. All of this to say, that your first choice only means something right now because your pool of knowledge is so tiny. In six months, a year, five years, fifteen years you aren't going to look back and think "I wonder how much better things would be if I had gotten that OCI with x firm." Good luck, OP.
  14. I own the above Ann Taylor blazer in multiple colours. I always get compliments when I wear it, be it in pants or a skirt. It looks young, fresh, and is extremely comfortable. I wore absolutely no jewellery, other than a watch, for interviews, no one cared. I wore said watch on my right hand because that is what feels comfortable for me, no one commented or cared. I wore coloured jewel-tone heels to my interviews, no one cared. My point is that it all feels scary and stressful and like every little thing matters right now, but most people, having interviewed many many students, are not going to remember "oh her ears looked pierced but she had no earrings in." Also, I interviewed with other students who did awkward things like not take the stitching out of the backs of their blazers and those students are now my colleagues, so if you make a blunder it is not going to be the end of the world.
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