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  1. Wow ... you're a bit all over the place OP. Look, I'll start with the obvious, not everyone who becomes a lawyer does so because they have have a burning passion for the thing. Some people become lawyers because it pays the bills, others do it because they didn't have any other ideas, others like the prestige of the title, and others want to help people. I have no idea what your interests are beyond not wanting to deal with people's emotional trauma, and it's certainly possible to practice in an area where you never have to deal with people's trauma. But I think this is exactly my issue with your question, it seems like you've done very little homework about the profession and want people here to tell you what to do. Honestly, there are so many practice areas and reasons for a person to do law that without more information almost nothing we say is going to be useful. I'm going to set aside whether you can even study in Canada and address the point you raised about regrets. Frankly, the people who usually end up regretting doing law are often people who went in with expectations that were wildly out of sync with the realities of the profession. Law school is expensive, and we don't get paid as much as the U.S. These two things can easily make law school a very bad financial decision. very quickly for a lot of people. It sounds like you'll have some help though. My honest advice is that you do some more homework on practicing law in Canada. There are a ton of people who feel very rewarded in their legal careers, and a bunch who don't. Where you land will depend on many factors that we here know almost nothing about, because you haven't said anything about them. Also, your untimed LSAT test means almost nothing.
  2. I'm going to for the sake of argument assume you're not trolling. I'd ask why you think 180 is the thing to aim for on the LSAT? I mean in a way, everyone by trying to do as well as they possibly can, is aiming for a 180, but their level of investment in trying to actually reach that score is usually tied to what they know they actually need to get admission to their school of choice based on their other stats. A 170 for instance would make you competitive everywhere in Canada if your GPA is decent. A 180 sounds like the kind of thing you'd want to humble brag to people about. Given that the LSAT stops mattering in any meaningful way the moment you set foot in law school, no employer ever asks you for your score, and neither do any lawyers, and you can't or rather shouldn't hang a plaque on your wall anywhere for any reason that says you crushed the LSAT, I'm having some trouble understanding why you want to actually score a 180 other than to be able to say you did. To me that's not a good enough reason because of the time and effort it would take to actually achieve this, and because your probability of success even if you did everything you possibly could, is still impossibly low. I'll caveat my point with this, aiming for 180 can be a fun challenge if you're one of those unicorns who has a natural aptitude for the test and can easily score in the high 160s to low 170s without tremendous effort. That way studying for a 180 does not become a drag. It's more like trying to beat a level of a moderately difficult game. This, however, is not most people, and it's not likely to be you. For most test takers, going from a 150 score to a 157 is much easier and might take less time than going from a 167 to a 170. The higher the score, the less room there is for any error. All this to say that I think it's always worth it to aim for the highest score you can get in any test you take, however in my experience, it's never worth it to aim for perfection. Perfection is not a worthwhile use of your time and the pursuit of such is likely to wear you down.
  3. And the last time before that was July 2018 when it went up to 3.7%. And the time before that was January 2018 when it went up to 3.45%. It also went up in 2017, soooo yeah...
  4. Assuming your extracurriculars are okay but nothing special, and references strong or not don't tend to tip applications one way or the other, and there are no other extenuating circumstances, your chances are not good unless you raise your LSAT. Take a look at the accepted thread for previous years. Also: https://www.lawapplicants.ca/predictor
  5. It's always prime +0.5%. But the prime rate keeps going up what seems like annually.
  6. My $0.02. No one can tell you exactly how law will play out for you. Many students go on to do just fine for themselves all things considered, some will do much better than fine, but some will do considerably worse. You can try to put yourself in the best position to succeed based on what you can control, but you can't guarantee success. Look, the debt is real and it will affect everything you do for a while, especially when ma and pa can't help you out. No one can tell you whether it makes sense for you to take on that much debt. That's a risk you have to decide on after weighing things carefully. I can tell you that as things stand in the profession, there's a decent chance you'll be able to pay off whatever you borrow eventually, and you'll probably even be able to get that modest home you mentioned... just not in Toronto... probably not in the GTA in a few years, and probably not for many many many years after that... and when you do get that home, you may never end up paying it off unless your partner is also a high earner. But that's just the kind of market we're in. Hey, if the alternative is counting the days until you retire at some uninspiring throwaway job that's slowly sucking your soul, I'd say roll the dice with law and hope for the best. Many people do, and many do just fine.
  7. Jeezus H. Christ. 1.5 hours to get to a job you're overworked in, in a town you hate, and you're paid very little to boot? Assuming it takes you about the same amount of time to get back home I think you should see law school as a way to get the hell out of this situation ASAP. Look, here's my $0.02. It makes some sense to keep your options open with this place for the summer of 1L because most students don't end up getting law jobs and it seems like you're practically guaranteed one. But the flip side of that is not only will your working conditions likely be the same, it'll be hella awkward to ask your current boss for a reference letter when you do want to get another job. My thoughts are, try to land something different for 1L summer, something you can score a reference letter from. Maybe a legal clinic, and aim to participate in OCI's in 2L, network like crazy. Anecdotally, I had a buddy who articled with a sole practitioner who promised him his clients when he retired. The lawyer kept delaying retirement until my friend eventually realized that the transition was never going to happen. My friend ended up opening his own shop and he's doing well now. But it took a minute. Moral of the story: words promising you untold riches mean precious little if there's nothing in writing. Law school is your way out of your current predicament. Take it.
  8. OP, take a deep breath, take a step back. Look, you're still super young, assuming you went to university right out of high school and you finished high school on time etc. And even if you're not, it's not the end of the world if you don't jump right into law school from undergrad. And whoever is feeding you that line is full of it. Without knowing what your current GPA is, I offer the following advice if law school is your ultimate goal ...take courses you are good at! Take courses you enjoy! And for the love of gawd take courses you will do well in! That's alone will be one of the biggest differences between people who will have a straight path to law school and people like me, who struggled majorly. Because I decided mid-undergrad that I needed a fail-safe if law didn't pan out and took some hardcore STEM courses on a way to a double major that might as well have been earned by two different people. To this day there is a 10% difference between my grades for one major versus the other, and it made getting into law school a hell of a lot harder than it otherwise needed to be. So, don't worry about the things you can't control, just focus on doing as well as you possibly can in courses you enjoy. Sitting pretty with 80's on your transcript makes a lot of problems go away.
  9. Yes, markets are different for lawyers vs MBAs as there are way more employment opportunities for MBAs. Look, if this is about maximizing your chances of landing a top paying gig at a top firm/corporation in your field then your choice is even clearer, go get an MBA for all the reasons you've listed plus I believe that even UofT law grads land Bay Street gigs at a clip of about 50%, which is I dunno, 50% less than what Rotman grads apparently have going for them. I see what you're saying about law firms, but my basic point is that if your priority is money then go do the degree that literally advertises itself by telling you how much money the average grad makes: file:///C:/Users/idudo/Downloads/Rotman-Employment-and-Salary-Report-2018.pdf Think about it this way, success in law is not synonymous with being wealthy. I'd argue that being successful in business is exactly that.
  10. Completely agree with @lawstudent20202020 . OP, this isn't a negative in any way but you don't sound like you're interested in law as much as you are interested in making good "$$$". For that, I'd say go with the MBA. It's shorter, 2 years vs 3 + articling, and income potential will be roughly comparable, and both degrees probably cost about the same depending on where you go. Law can be tedious and tiresome if you just want the bucks, whereas an MBA can get you very connected to the making of the bucks. Side bar, it's a weird thing to say a UofT MBA is objectively better than a Queen's law degree as both will arguably get you exactly where you want to go no questions asked. But back to the why of it. Personally, I think of law as a profession that happens to make a fair bit of money at the top end, but money isn't the point of the thing. Whereas, literally the point of a business or a bank is to make as much money as possible. So philosophically, your question to me is a bit like asking whether you should become a doctor because you want to make money. I'd say go be an awesome banker instead.
  11. Common enough in our profession nowadays that it shocks almost no one who's graduated in the last 3-5 years and only a handful of senior lawyers who haven't kept up with how much tuition has jumped since they paid it in full working part-time. Does it affect your day to day? Of course it does. Lucrative employment or not, carrying that much debt alters how you spend money and make decisions about your life, when you get married, when you buy a house, where you buy a house, whether you can start a family or even whether you can transition out of big law or law altogether if that was your goal. For a lot of people though, they're still earning more money lawyering and paying down a 100k loan than their income before going to law school soooo I mean, in that sense it's still worth it if you end up on the right side of the pay scale.
  12. Decent chance at Windsor, Lakehead, maybe UNB as is. If you get your LSAT north of 160, everything else in Ontario opens up except maybe UofT, unless you're 166+
  13. My $0.02. For starters, kudos on going back to fix your cGPA. It's a long road but one that will be worth it. It's not the route I took, but I respect it. Also, as others have mentioned, your stats are good enough to get you in somewhere as is. I suppose whether that's good enough for you depends on which schools you are targeting. But your L2 is impressive soooo.. yeah. You'll be alright.
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