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  1. What was your L2 though? A 3.3 cGPA won't get you automatically tossed at Queens/Western/Osgoode if your L2 is competitive and you have a solid LSAT. If you don't though ... Anyway, @Mikka, depending on your PS and if your LSAT lands where you think it will, you'd likely have a reasonable shot at Windsor.
  2. My $0.02. It is always a gamble to make a career move based on desperation. Always. And that's what this sounds like. Maybe I read your post in a hurry. Or maybe your typing was every bit as frenetic as your words sound to me. Either way, I'd say you need to have some idea whether you'll like a job before you take it. And no, the job being with the province does not make it a no-brainer. Especially with that 20k haircut to your wages. Look... How are you with public speaking? Do you get stage fright? Can you think quickly on your feet? Do you get flustered when challenged in public or do you/can you stay cool as a cucumber? Did you moot in law school? Did you like mooting? You didn't moot? ... why did you not moot? And how would you feel if you had to moot once every three weeks for the next six months? Does that fill you with existential dread? Or do you think, hmm, I could do that...? Obviously the timeline on that last one is arbitrary, but the point is, if you're okay with these sorts of things, then you're probably okay getting up in front of a Judge/decision-maker and getting dressed down. Which means, you've got the heart of a litigator. Then, how do you feel about chaotic work environments? Does that stress you out or do you feel you could learn to go with the flow? Would it be endlessly frustrating if you felt you were always rushed for hearings/trials with not enough time to prepare, or would you think, well, I'm doing the best with the time I've got, f*** it? Obviously, these questions aren't determinative of whether you'll like the type of Crown work you're considering. But if you're okay with some/all of these aspects of the job, there's a decent chance this position will be an improvement for you from your current position. Although based on what you've described, that's a pretty low bar. Just FYI: From my experience, litigators who don't like being in court tend to have a miserable time when it turns out that going to court is a big part of their job. Don't make that mistake... Good luck!
  3. No offence taken. We Windsorites are a thick skinned bunch. And you're absolutely right, statistically speaking, the median T14 law student is an auto admit anywhere in Canada, likely with scholarships.
  4. Well I for one am still smarting from @pzabbythesecond's Windsor comment. Objectionable I say! That said, the median admission stats for T14 schools is objectively ridiculous. Heck, the median stats for US law schools all the way down to 50 are impressive. It's amazing what competition will do. 😅
  5. Uh ... what? A 3.5 cGPA converts to pretty much an 80 average on the dot. A 3.7 is low 80's, a 4.0 is high 80's and beyond. On a 4.0 scale, there's no difference GPA-wise between an 86 and a 99. Both are 4.0. This is the UofT grading scale, and I think it applies broadly. https://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/aacc/sites/utsc.utoronto.ca.aacc/files/tipsheets/Academic_Advising_Tipsheets/howtocalculateyourGPA.pdf Schools on a 4.3 scale use the extra .3 to distinguish A+ from A's, but not all schools do this and if you're converting to a school that uses 4.0, then you'd expect to see a bit of a drop in your cGPA if you have a bunch of 4.3's on your transcript. But yeah, Ottawa's average accepted students do not, I repeat do not have 90 averages. That would mean students in Ottawa have higher cGPA's than those attending UofT. That is not a thing.
  6. Ottawa's average admitted GPA is 80%. Without an LSAT ... Who can say. Also: https://lawapplicants.ca/predictor
  7. edit: Looked into this and realized that my friend actually got an MBET from Waterloo. I thought it was a subset of an MBA program, but it's its own thing and maybe something the OP might be interested in? https://uwaterloo.ca/conrad-school-entrepreneurship-business/what-makes-mbet-different1
  8. My $0.02. @mazzystar - You want to change the world and you're seeing that with the average legal career, you'll likely end up shoe-horned into a trajectory that severely limits your opportunities to do just that. Your instincts aren't wrong per se, but to be fair this tendency applies to most if not all of the other areas you've considered. In my experience, being a professional isn't about disrupting the very structures that have made your profession possible/necessary. Even the professions that have as their goal the improvement/replacement of said structures tend to be incrementalist in their ambitions. If you don't have the patience for that, policy work with the gov't for example - which would check a lot of your boxes, will be endlessly frustrating. But I get it. MBA's feel more expansive and open than the law because, well what's the average MBA grad look like? They certainly seem more varied and entrepreneurial than lawyers. I think your existential discontent is more about how you affect change rather than whether you'll be able to affect change as a lawyer. Because it's obviously ludicrous to imply that a law degree precludes the sort of activist work you're hinting at. As others have pointed out, some of the foremost thought leaders tackling political and socio-economic issues have legal backgrounds. But these tend to be much more so the exception, than the rule. Anyway, I have a friend who sounds a lot like you. Smart. Ambitious. Socially conscious to a very high degree. He found, as I think you will, that trying to parlay that activist ethos into a specific career is by default challenging because most legal employers aren't in need an activist lawyer. Neither are most businesses for their MBA's. So, your options are either to find an employer who's already doing all the things you want to do and find out how you can add value (legal or otherwise), or to create an organization that does exactly what you're talking about. That is where your MBA idea really takes off IMO. I'm not going to weigh in on whether it's realistic, or even a good idea because I don't know your situation, but I will concede that it is ambitious. And maybe what we need is more smart, ambitious people to be willing to step outside the traditional confines of their profession and try to do something ... exceptional. And btw, my friend ... the smart, ambitious, socially conscious one, he got an MBA. Disclaimer: I realize my ending makes my entire post read like a fluff piece, but I find that cold pragmatism only gets the human spirit so far. Sometimes it's more useful to dream, and then marry that dream to pragmatic considerations and ultimately action. I think OP has a dream ... I'm going to stop here before I get myself into trouble.
  9. I was on the adcom at Windsor. I never once read an incomplete file. Unless its changed, chances are, it'll be held up until they get your score.
  10. If you're only applying to one or the other, and aren't in a hurry to be admitted this cycle then I'd advise you to go with Osgoode. Based on some of the admission stats for the first cohorts for new schools like Lakehead and TRU, your stats should almost certainly get you admitted into Ryerson if you were interested. Osgoode will be tougher, but maybe more worth it, and you do have a stellar GPA. As an aside, I do think that we as a profession, like to think that certain schools have some sort of built-in advantage/disadvantage when it comes to predicting the success of lawyers generally. Beyond the Ultra Vires Bay Street hiring numbers which say precious little about articling hirebacks and who's still there after 5 years, I honestly haven't seen anything that paints a remotely complete picture of whether that's true or not. My office has two lawyers (that I know of) who graduated from Lakehead. We have senior lawyers and partners who are Windsor grads. And I'm a Windsor alum myself. Of course we also have plenty from Queens, Western, Ottawa, McGill, UofT, Osgoode, even Manitoba, UBC, etc ... basically, we have people from all over the place. I certainly think it's true that certain schools have reputations for producing top-tier lawyers and for being difficult to get into, but the worst the data says about other "easier" schools is that their reputations are silent on the matter. In my practice, I've seen great and absolutely terrible lawyers from just about every school. At this point I'm honestly not sure what your school says about you beyond what your ballpark admission stats... But in this profession, maybe that's enough... TLDR; Go with Osgoode because you'll eat less flack for it, not because graduating from Ryerson will be some sort of raging dumpster fire. In all likelihood, it won't be, and Ryerson alum will be just fine. They'll be called to the bar like everyone else, and be hired by a bunch of great and shitty employers like everyone else.
  11. Peruse LinkedIn profiles ... it can take up to 6 months for an articled student to land their first associate gig. You've got plenty of time left to go until DEFCON 3, and lots of great advice to tide you over. Good luck!
  12. Hmm ... Windsor grad here. It goes without saying that students go to Windsor for all sorts of reasons, and yes, a common one is that we didn't get in anywhere else. Sometimes that's because we couldn't be bothered re-writing the LSAT (that's more common than you think), sometimes it's because we didn't apply broadly (I only applied to 2 schools), and sometimes it's because (gasp) stigma notwithstanding, we did our own research and figured out that Windsor was exactly our vibe (it was my first choice). The school isn't shaking its reputation as a last chance Ontario destination any time soon. Which is unfortunate because its a solid school, and I think we're going to lose out on some students now that Ryerson is open for business. But there's not much we can do about that. Why study at Windsor law? It's got a great vibe, great profs, great students, and a very collegial atmosphere. It's easy to make friends and we're not nearly as prone to ahem culturally insensitive Halloween-related faux pas 😋 Windsor students, especially those who are there by choice, believe that all you need to get into the legal profession are decent grades from a Canadian school. The funny thing is ... they're right. We don't take ourselves too seriously, and I'd like to think we bring a sort of balance to the force lol. The force being the legal profession. Still ... prestige matters a lot to some people. I can understand that too. And those types of students who did end up in Windsor transferred after 1L (if they could) or grumbled the rest of their time there. The rest us though had one hell of a time. 🤘
  13. Pretty sure employers don't ever check whether a prospective employee has ever been on EI. Hell I don't even know if they have access to that information. And honestly, what would that tell them anyway? That you were unemployed at some point? And that means what exactly? ... lawyers lose their jobs too. It has no bearing on your ability to do the work they're hiring you for. Bankruptcy however...
  14. I think recency bias is a thing unless you're aiming for the most competitive jobs, i.e. biglaw or prestigious boutiques, in which case everything matters a lot. Otherwise, employers generally seem to care how well you've been doing most recently. Some students I knew who sat out OCI's because of terrible 1L grades (not saying this is you btw), landed nice articling gigs early in 3L because of stellar 2L grades. So, at least part of the answer to your question depends on what you're applying for.
  15. If your goal is to resettle and practice law in Canada, it'll save you a lot of hassle to simply do the JD.
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