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  1. What an awesome question OP and I am so happy to see someone thinking so prudently so far in advance!! I was like.."I'm going to SaVe tHe WoRlD"......LOL. NOW THAT'S NAIVE. You're fine You should actually gun for government jobs from very beginning, because that's who I have noticed has the highest rate of success getting in. You are asking these questions at the right time. I wish I had this confidence! I have many friends in crown/solicitor jobs and 5+ year call is $120+ income. Additionally, you'll have to do real well in law school to get into government from get go, so if you don't, aim to get in later under 5 year call, as this is the sweet spot (after 5 years and no government experience, you'll have best chance at auxiliary positions). My information is anecdotal, gathered from about 9-10 people that are currently city solicitors, municipal lawyers, crown counsel. Some got in from articling. Some got after 11 years of practice in a different profession. Its all about perseverance and you're not chasing the white whale..these jobs exist and are obtainable. Please always have a grain of salt ready to go when listening to anyone's advice. You will hear a lot of negative things in this profession. Also, you may find yourself locked in the government not because of the skills issue, but because the gig is too good - pension, vacations, reasonable hours, normal colleagues, REAL HR DEPARTMENT (Oh BOI), etc. I do hear its boring, but of course, its not like legal bungee jumping equivalent (like 3 week trials...litigation...etc). Private practice kind of sucks (even though I do quite well), you'll end up moving firm to firm anyway, so why not try government. What's the worst that happens? You don't get it? Ok try again. And you will be the best judge of whether you like the position or not on the inside. No shame in knowing your truth and alignment and leaving the government profession. I BET YOU, everyone who was negative about you going into it will be negative about you leaving it (oh private practice is hard, yadda yadda, good benefits, dont leave, yadda yadda). We are lawyers. We always want to give some form of an argument and as if you're not critical on yourself already. I'm here for support and I can connect you to a municipal lawyer or two if you want to learn from them With their permission of course and we can take this offline into DMs.
  2. Hi there, I'll be returning to the beautiful island to start a practice soon, and my beloved LIC has been on my mind. I was a director of it years ago, and it always sorely lacked lawyer backing and involvement. Anyway, is it still alive? Is it still Prof Pirie that is in charge? I attempted to find information via google, but of course I am being directly to Law Centre only. If you know the director, could you please see if they'd be willing to speak to me? (Please remove if this topic exists, though I doubt it).
  3. I note your retort in the veiled sarcasm, but I kind of agree on the 5+ situation. Even in a big change from one path to another (say, family to solicitor work), I am yet to see anyone be asked for their grades. When I think of a lawyer that would put that in the job description while looking for a 5+ call, I would imagine a specific type of counsel, who started their own business, and has to fake it until they make it. It just screams business/operational inexperience to me, because what will grades say about a person who worked already for 5 years. I mean, get their notable cases or writing samples of arguments, or something along those lines. What is my C- in property law going to say? Or what is my A in civil litigation course going to show when I apply for a family law position even downtown. I mean, wouldn't you rather read my arguments in published judgements? In my personal subjective view, as an 8 year call, in hypothetical of 5+ year being asked for grades I would feel condescension, inexperience, and just blatant desire to "show off power". I really do hope that this is not offensive, its genuinely just complete lack of knowledge of HR and I also do not have any data to say one way or another. Perhaps there's an analysis that higher grades in law school correlate much better with success of a 5+ call than the said call's experience in the given 5 years.
  4. Anecdotally, grades do not matter post-articling except maybe first job you get. I had to provide transcripts to a firm after articling and they just asked me to explain the drop. I said, I did great in undergrad, I improved significantly over the 3 years at law school, and my PLTC was all passed (all 6 parts), so I was like, I had a dip in productivity, leave me alone. And that was the last discussion I ever had on my grades (yes, I got the job). Grades are such a small part of life, I truly wish I could hug every struggling law student and just calmly tell them to get through it and keep at it! Its such an unnecessarily competitive start to the profession that then constantly teaches us to ease up on competition with OCs and instead makes us think of clients and the (my most hated words) "business of law". And whoever said that in-firm experience on the subject matter you like trumps grades, they're absolutely 100% correct. Labour law experience is SO HARD to obtain, who cares what grade you got in law school, most people haven't even taken the course!
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