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Ryn last won the day on November 29 2018

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  1. Being an access applicant means that you have had legitimate barriers to achieving good stats because of significant life events or personal circumstances. The keyword here is had. It sounds like whatever stood in your way is still there, what with an inability to achieve an LSAT score above something like the 40th percentile. Law schools will not admit you out of pity. You need to demonstrate that whatever has hampered your success has been resolved and that now you can perform at least within the reasonable range of an average law student. I haven’t seen your application but it’s not looking like you’ve been able to do that. People here have given you reasonable advice (notwithstanding a few, whose comments I’ve deleted). The UK schools may admit you (likely will), but you will struggle to find meaningful employment in Canada. And you’ll be that much more in debt. @kcraigsejong managed to do it but he also had years of struggles and I think his stats were better than yours. Most people aren’t so fortunate. If I were you, I’d go do something else. Maybe revisit the idea of law schooling a decade or so, when you’re a mature student, have a healthy resume that adcoms can look at, and far enough away from school that no one will really think about your grades. And who knows, maybe by then you’ll decide it’s not worth your time in the first place because you’re happy doing whatever you’re doing.
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    Fuzzy on stat calculation

    No, only cGPA is calculated by OLSAS. The schools calculate their own L2/B3 based on their own criteria (though likely using the OLSAS scale). For example, some schools don’t count your summer terms in their calculation but others do. This is why the lawapplicants.ca website can only give a rough estimate for L2/B3, whereas for cGPA the number it returns is likely accurate. Unless the schools reveal their calculations to you, which they may or may not do on their application portals, there is no way to know what number they are using internally.
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    OLSAS Fall Grades Transcripts

    I would say yes, because they don’t know that and it’s the only way they’d find out. That said, you can always call the schools to confirm.
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    OLSAS Fall Grades Transcripts

    Reasonably speaking, I doubt it’d be a big deal if the info is a bit late. But obviously get it in ASAP and don’t risk it in the first place because it could be used against your application.
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    JD in Canada vs USA

    Yeah all of those are great schools and would be worth going to if you had a full ride. Coming back to Canada will still be challenging but you’d be competitive for an articling spot with a law degree from USC or Berkeley. Or you could go for US biglaw if you had the grades and then skip articling, if you come back, after having practiced for a few years in the US. But there are still a lot of “ifs” in that scenario. The scholarship is still a meaningful consideration, though, in those circumstances.
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    JD in Canada vs USA

    Yes be very wary of US schools. Best thing to do is look at the top law school list from US News and see if your school is there. Realistically, if it’s not within the top 50 you shouldn’t ever consider going there. But even graduating from the top 50, from my understanding, won’t give you anything close to a guarantee of a decent lawyer position. The US legal market is incredibly saturated and the average salary is quite low. If you don’t graduate from a decent school, you may end up doing clerk work or doc review forever. Other websites are better resources for advice on this front but this is my general understanding. There also is no articling in the US; you graduate, pass the bar, and you’re licensed. But the bar exams are usually very hard, and California’s is notoriously difficult. Check out your school’s bar pass rate and use that, too, to gauge your odds of success. Coming back to Canada will be difficult. Check out the international section at http://lawapplicants.ca/faq for some reasons why. I would finally add that if you didn’t receive a scholarship from a Canadian law school, think hard about what you’re getting from the US, particularly if you’re getting a “full ride”. The shadier schools tend to give these out at first but bust you on the eligibility requirements in subsequent terms.
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    Stats - 169/3.78 cGPA

    This may be a silly question, but did you apply properly? Provide all the required information at the right time and in the right way? Take the LSAT within the required timeframe (I think it’s several years before schools stop accepting scores from certain years)? Complete at least 2 years of university? Because your stats are good enough to get you admitted anywhere. So unless you did something very wrong, you should be admitted. Also it’s worth noting that if any of your referees said you should be rejected, you likely will be. It’s highly unusual for that to be the case but it’s worth pointing out.
  8. Even if you have a C average, you’ll eventually get licensed. Finding an articling position might be more difficult but it’s certainly not going to be impossible. It’s true you’ll likely not get a coveted biglaw job or anything like that, but you’ll still be a lawyer. As for OP’s question: The only thing I’m not crazy about was the cost of law school. But I wouldn’t say I have any regrets. Having a legal education is pretty valuable, as well as are the connections you make through school. Assuming you complete the process (I.e., get licensed), it will pretty much always be an asset to be a lawyer even if you end up not practicing. At least, in many alternative career paths, like management, business, public service, and the like.
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    What are law school classes like?

    That’s absurd. I’m not sure why law students think quantity is more important than quality. I had one course where the take-home final exam was to be “at most 20 pages”. I think I ended up writing like 12 and still got a good grade. It’s not about how much you say...
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    What are law school classes like?

    At Osgoode, the vast majority of courses are 100% finals or 100% papers (in upper years if you’re taking a paper course). My understanding is that it’s the same at most of the other Ontario schools. Can’t speak for out of province.
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    What are law school classes like?

    Yeah I’d say it’s reasonably accurate.
  12. The app at http://lawapplicants.ca can convert US grades, but bear in mind it’s more of an estimate than Canadian ones. However, I’ve heard it’s reasonably accurate.
  13. I mean, maybe, but their GPA is a 3.35. That's a hard sell for a few schools, including the "IP heavy" schools like Osgoode, U of T, and Ottawa (purely because of access to IP clinics and experiential learning opportunities). Maybe Queen's and Western will admit a 3.56 L2 with a higher LSAT (maybe, if OP achieves it), but that's a lot of maybes, in my opinion versus a sure thing today.
  14. An upward trend, depending on the extent of the trend and its length, could make a difference. For example, a year of bad marks can be reasonably offset with three years of strong performance. Perhaps even three semesters. But once you get into the two-year mark, I think it's not as strong of a statement if you only have decent marks in your last two years. That said, much of this is fact-specific so it would also depend a lot on how the balance of your application looks. I would say you definitely need to submit documentation. I don't see how the committee would reasonably be able to consider you under that category without supporting evidence. I would contact the admissions office and ask them how and where to send it, and I would do it soon. Yes. I'm not sure how much elaboration you're looking for here. But the short and succinct answer is, yes, they are certainly accounted for.
  15. Why is this still being debated? Articling position or not, the NCA will not give an equivalency to someone who completed an online degree program. Whereverjustice quoted the policies directly: