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  1. I’m having trouble believing the majority of this post was made in good faith.
  2. I can’t really say, because so many of these factors are fact specific. Without seeing your full application (and please, do not send it to me), I can’t give you any specific advice as to how you’d fair. What I can say is that, as with all applicants, the adcom is interested in seeing evidence of your ability to succeed in law school. If you don’t have the academic credentials, then you have to show that ability some other way. Such a low LSAT would perhaps not effectively offset your grades, since this would be based on your performance after you were able to get your life in order. But there are also other factors to consider, like your professional experience and how you have advanced in your career. None of this is determinative, of course. But it all collectively speaks to your ability to do well in law school, and that’s ultimately what the committee is interested in. Not always. But I used it as a way to gauge a person’s writing. Often PSes are heavily edited (maybe even written by others), so the LSAT writing sample is a great way to tell where a persons’s raw writing ability was. I didn’t care so much about how they argued their position, but rather how the piece was written generally. If there were vast differences in the grammar or construction of the LSAT essay compared to their PS, which was absolutely flawless, then it definitely raised my eyebrows. We saw graduate grades as a “soft” factor. It definitely helps, don’t get me wrong, but graduate grades are generally As anyway, so they’re not that helpful. If someone was trying to use a graudate degree to offset their undergrad, I was very interested to see what their reasearch was in and how their supervisor felt about their work in order to measure academic ability. Sometimes people shined in grad school and did amazing research; in those cases I was much more likely to discount a lower undergrad average (say, a 3.3–3.5). But if all they did was a course-based masters with nothing else to show for it, I’d probably not give it much weight. In your case, a 3.03 would be a terribly hard sell, IMO, even with a master’s, and your LSAT is about average for successful Osgoode admits. I didn’t see a lot of mature applicants in my pile, but when I did, depending on how far out they were from university, I placed far less emphasis on grades. Much more on CV and LSAT as indicators of ability. Much more weight was given to reference letters, particularly from supervisors. It varies based on the circumstances of the applicant, their age and experience, and the argument for admission they make in their PS if they have sub-par stats.
  3. Well, I mean, a work visa is proof of the right to work in Canada (assuming it’s unrestricted and otherwise valid). But I think you mean, will people socially accept that, and that is a whole other question altogether (and IMO not what this thread is about).
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    Getting a bad grade in Fall 2018

    I believe this thread has run its course and is going in circles now. OP, you have what I think are pretty good answers in aggregate.
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    Suits For Men

    I think it’s just called the “Windsor” (or, unfortunately, the “full Windsor” if you really must be explicit because people don’t know their Windsor knots 😉). The “single Windsor” is called the half Windsor. I prefer the Windsor to the half because I like its symmetry and I think it just generally looks better.
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    Issues with OLSAS

    This is actually how it works regardless. College grades do not count on OLSAS, even if they were transferred over to university. Your university transcript will reflect that you received transfer credits but the university does not adopt your grades as its own. If law schools want to account for your college grades, that will be their individual choice. OLSAS won’t count them in its calculation. It has been my advice to all college transferees that want to go to law school that they need to be incredibly diligent in maintaining high grades in their university courses, because they’ll only get two years of OLSAS grades (and probably similar consideration outside of Ontario) rather than the four that most others get. This could be a blessing or a curse, depending on how well you do in your upper years. But it can be a bit of a challenging transition moving from college to third year university, so it may end up hurting for a lot of people. You can cite your college grades in your personal statement. You can write a letter to schools if you wish. But I’m not sure to what degree it would help. I used to be on the Osgoode adcom and (unless they changed their practices) we put a huge amount of weight on the OLSAS grade report. There were a few college transferees whose college grades I did end up looking at, but that was not in any way calculated in the actual averages I saw, and ultimately their university grades are what really mattered.
  7. I did! He was a great prof and made the class really interesting.
  8. Contract Remedies is excellent and all of the profs were great (though in your current list I only recognize ffrench). Definitely recommend. But it’s a challenge so be prepared for that. The good news is that evaluation was pretty broad (3 short memos, 3 short oral presentations structured as appellate advocacy, and a final take-home assignment), so you have plenty of opportunity to pick up marks. And because it’s not a large class the curve isn’t a B curve but the same curve as a seminar.
  9. BQ has already said so but I wanted to also highlight that this isn’t true. Bursaries at Osgoode are actually quite generous at any level of debt. Obviously the more debt you have the better the bursary, but the aid levels are pretty reasonable as is. I know many people who got between $5k–$10k, and they most certainly did not “max out” anything. I think the lowest tier bursary is $2500 and I’m pretty sure some got awards of more than $10k. There’s also the Income Contingent Loan program, which they’ve expanded this past year, where they pay for your tuition fees and you pay it back over a long period of time with no interest and with payments reasonably tied to your income level. I think there’s an upper cap, too, in terms of time; if you reach this limit and hadn’t yet paid the full amount owing, they forgive the rest of the balance. It’s actually a really great program and it’s perfect for people who won’t be able to pay the full cost of going to Osgoode because they will be working in an area of law that just doesn’t allow for making lots of money. Obviously there aren’t a lot of slots and getting one is pretty competitive but it is available and not just to “one or two people” but actually quite a good number.
  10. It’s called the Enercare Centre now. But otherwise nothing has changed. I didn’t find the bar substantively difficult. The hardest part was just how long a single exam day was and maintaining the necessary performance for all of those hours was exhausting.
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    OLSAS GPA shows as 0.00

    Well I would contact them if you haven’t already. Obviously that’s unusual.
  12. Man. Please chill guys. It’s only December. Most people won’t be seeing offers come in until late this month or in January. You all should take a break from those application portals.
  13. I agree with you. But I think that a lot of conservatives think that sentencing is too light generally, hence the push for mandatory minimums. I know the evidence very clearly points that it doesn’t help, but that hasn’t ever meant that people cannot point to certain examples where our existing sentencing system has “failed” and use it as a means to justify their position. In any event it’s a complex issue and certainly not one that draws the same universal scorn as Rashabon’s examples, which is why I even mentioned it. I don’t want to get side tracked debating mandatory minimums because that wasn’t my intention in bringing it up.
  14. I agree with you, but this isn’t what we’re talking about. These are rather definitive moral and ethical questions. These debates don’t happen in law school. The kinds of debates that do tend to be much more gray and I think OP was questioning whether taking a non-liberal perspective, say, that mandatory minimums in sentencing are necessary and we should have more of them, could lead to social consequences. My thoughts are it wouldn’t. I’m left but not as left as most of my classmates were. There were lots of strong opinions voiced in debates on both sides, though to be fair Osgoode does tend to sway more left generally. Not once was there ever a real issue holding opinions that ran counter to said left mainstream. In fact, depending on the class you were in, some of the accepted opinions were quite moderate, and conservative even.
  15. No it shouldn’t be an issue. But the law society will ask you to prove your status up until the end of your articles, once you apply to the licensing process in your third year. So ensure that you have the relevant visas or work permits when you get to that stage. There’s a post-graduate work permit that you may qualify for after graduation, which would last long enough to complete your articles, assuming you don’t make arrangements for your PR in the meantime.