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  1. providence

    Thoughts about working at Davies?

    So what does that mean then when we say parenting is a 24-7 job and harder than any work in the office? Are we all doing a bad job parenting? 😀
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    Did You Ever Really "Enjoy" Articling?

    Argh. I am not explaining this well for various reasons. What I wrote is not what I meant but I was/am not intending to be provocative either, or to offend you. I’ll try again. I was responding to the idea from I think it was Diplock that if you take personal connection with clients out of the equation, the intellectual challenges of criminal work and the nature of the job are very similar on the Crown and defence side. And I personally see them differently even without the clients in the picture. For me personally and only me, defence “innovation” such as a mandatory minimum challenge, Charter challenge etc is different from Crown “innovation” such as expanding hearsay objections or requirements for consent. It may just be in my mind, but I feel defence are almost always the underdog with a higher hill to climb. We have a higher onus initially on Charter (it’s “easier” for the Crown to oppose Charter.) I also feel that the reason we do the challenge (to push back the limits of the state rather than expand them) is more of a challenge - it’s generally more palatable to expand the criminal law than to pull it back, or at least it seems so, I just meant that for me, there is motivation and satisfaction that comes from my work apart from clients, and that’s what I should have said, rather than comparing my job to one I have never done.
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    Osgoode Part C question

    a) equity - being an ethnic minority may be relevant here if the group you are from is underrepresented in the legal profession b) work or life experience - being mature and/or a parent are potentially relevant. Not sure what you mean by “first time parent”- you just had your first child? If you are a single parent that may be relevant to equity as well. c) performance considerations - you haven’t disclosed anything that would seem relevant to that. Unless LSAC wouldn’t accommodate you for the LSAT for breastfeeding/pregnancy etc but if that is the case, it may be better to rewrite. d) diversity - ethnicity, speaking another language, being mature and being a parent are all relevant here
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    Did You Ever Really "Enjoy" Articling?

    It’s not easy, no, but it is easiER. What I meant is that all of those things take time, but they are usually not breaking new ground or raising novel issues. Defence has to do all of that too, plus try to get the judge to see existing law differently and possibly make new law. It’s that extra element, plus all the hard work and prep that both sides have to do, that fires me up.
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    Early Admission Question

    That policy applies to a lot of US schools, but yeah, Penn State Dickinson is hmmmm.
  6. Getting a job with no connections (I assume)and making enough to live on?
  7. a) immigration status (unless you are American) b) a lot of people start as PDs or DAs - I think you may need to be a citizen for that - or doing white collar at bigger firms - they have probably already done OCIs and hired c) the US has a ton of law schools graduating lawyers - way more competition d) much harder to earn a living and large cities like NYC are expensive e) you haven’t learned US criminal and constitutional law, capital murder law, the law of the state you want to live in, federal law (RICO, etc.)
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    Best time to take vacation during articling

    I am at a small firm and I have no problem taking vacation. It's just that I am very invested in it because it's my own firm - I care about it a lot and I don't like to be too disconnected from it. I have been mostly on leave for several months and my firm has been great about it, but I feel bad about it because I know there are less people to carry my load and I miss it and my clients. I also have a lot more daily flexibility than most people in big firms. I can take a day off or work at home pretty much whenever I want if I don't have court, and no one cares.
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    Best time to take vacation during articling

    Dang, then I have never, ever had time off.
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    Why you shouldn't go to U of T Law

    I used to have that feeling of not fitting in with the rich kids in undergrad or in law school. I eventually got over it and you can too. Look at everyone in school as an individual, try not to make assumptions, and look for common ground. If someone makes you feel inferior, kick their ass in exams! Tune out the privileged chatter and remember you earned your way in and deserve it just as much as anyone else.
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    Why you shouldn't go to U of T Law

    You have to qualify for loans and lines of credit, or you may need a co-signer. Some people can’t get those loans. You also have to wrap your head around taking on a level of debt that sounds too astronomical to be real. Like the previous poster, that kind of debt was prohibitive to me, coming from a big family on social assistance. Needs based aid ensures that deserving students don’t self-select out of the profession. They encourage the best candidates to become lawyers and ensure true diversity in the profession, which at least in theory helps there be better representation for vulnerable people and a better dialogue and variety of perspectives at the table when important issues are discussed. It also frees up grads to actually pursue careers that help the marginalized without worrying about getting the highest paying job to service debt. And during school, it takes some financial burden and worry off students so that they have the time and space to concentrate on and excel in their studies. I am so thankful to the businesses, foundations etc who gave me scholarships because they saw merit to the cause of education. I would never have lifted myself or my family out of poverty if not for funding for my undergrad and law school studies. I cannot think of many more worthy causes than the gift of education for someone in poverty. I donate to scholarships and bursaries from time to time.
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    Why you shouldn't go to U of T Law

    Of course. There are elites of every race (even the races that are generally marginalized) and underprivileged people of every race (even the ones that are generally privileged.) The issue with law schools is that they will claim that they are diverse because 25 or 35% of their students are from “diverse” groups of “visible minorities”, but this is generally a very small range of visible minorities and many groups are underrepresented or non-existent within those numbers. Most of the representation is generally from groups of Asian descent, with some students from rich backgrounds, some not.
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    Why you shouldn't go to U of T Law

    The myth is that any law student in Canada is likely to have a career path in "international human rights." What even is that? If you can afford or get funded for an internship/clerkship, great, but what's the "career path" to "international human rights?" Money aside, that's schools using peoples' unicorn dreams to recruit them. If you are serious about wanting a shot at that type of thing, as I said, go to Harvard law: https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/opia/fellowships/ or Yale law: https://law.yale.edu/student-life/career-development/students/career-pathways/public-interest/public-interest-fellowships or Stanford law: https://law.stanford.edu/levin-center/stanford-law-school-postgraduate-public-interest-fellowships/#slsnav-overview Note that this is not a lucrative field even then. Yale pays you less than 50K for a one year fellowship (which you may be able to supplement with other funding.) You are not likely to have this kind of career opportunity in Canada and those who do are mostly rich, whose parents paid their tuition and can also support them while they chase "international human rights." And even then they have to be extremely competitive to get those public interest/human rights fellowships in the first place. There is no real viable path into "international human rights" or "public interest" for a student not at the top of the class who can't live on 58K. If you like public interest/human rights/access to justice stuff and also want to earn a living wage, consider poverty law/criminal/refugee law/child protection/legal aid etc, which do pay less than other fields, so yes, minimize your debt/pick the cheapest school.
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    Why you shouldn't go to U of T Law

    $58K is not sub-poverty. It is above the average. If you make more than $58K, you can pay debt, slowly.
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    Why you shouldn't go to U of T Law

    This is true (and I would add in recent years, rich Asian elites as well, which allows them to weasel about diversity.)
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