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  1. You can’t “plan to transfer out of the program.” It is not up to you if another school or program accepts you. That will depend on your grades, and you can’t “plan” to get good grades. It also depends on how many spots the other schools/programs have and how many others are applying and what their stats are. You can’t count on transferring. You should only accept a school/program if you are comfortable with finishing your degree there.
  2. I have no idea what debt levels most students have but for sure at least some have undergrad debt. Law school debt is generally much greater and much more if a concern though. To me, public interest jobs are with non-profits, NGOs, organizations, foundations etc but I guess if you define it more broadly, it could include government. I wouldn’t include most boutiques unless they do pro-bono work or take legal aid on the side as serving private fee-paying clients isn’t really public interest. Some boutiques who do a lot of public inquiries and the like might qualify.
  3. Decent-paying relative to paying debt and living a reasonable standard of living in a big city. edit: there just really aren’t very many “public interest” law jobs anywhere in Canada, period. There are some free internships etc.
  4. That too, but I meant more that there isn’t exactly a list of decent-paying “public interest” for new law grads, taking “public interest” to mean working for organizations or non-profits that serve the collective needs of disadvantaged clients. Lots of students may want jobs like that but only a handful, if that, will get them. When they realize there are no such jobs, some will definitely try biglaw.
  5. Depending how they define that, they may be disappointed, because there aren't a large number of jobs available in that field. If they mean poverty law more generally, sure.
  6. 80% is pretty meaningless without knowing how many Dal grads actually apply to Toronto. If it's only 5 or 10 vs. 50 or 60 people, that would be good to know. If it is only a smaller amount, is it the strongest students self-selecting in? I also have an issue with the 18% of Windsor students stat. Unless you know how many Windsor students applied, and how many got offers and rejected them, it doesn't tell you anything about your chances of success.
  7. Canadian law schools don't usually care about grad degrees (I think there may be one or two that do?) because everyone knows about the grade inflation in most masters' programs, and, as @ProfReader said, doing well in a masters' doesn't do much to predict success in law school. Aside, if someone has a 2.7 UGPA, I'd question the quality of any grad program that accepted them in the first place. I wouldn't agree that getting a B in a foreign law school makes anyone a "shoe-in" for a transfer. There are a limited number of transfer seats in Canadian law schools, and many of them are taken up by people transferring from other Canadian schools. I'm positive that the number of foreign transfers accepted is way less than the numbers that apply.
  8. Law isn't the rest of the "labour market." As you have been told, it is jurisdictional, and studying law in another country isn't meeting the requirements to practice it in Canada, and clearly many of the lawyers here are suspicious that the NCAs are not a sufficient correction of that issue. You asked, well why is there an exception for schools like Harvard then? and the answer is simply that the prestige to the firm of hiring a Harvard grad outweighs the disadvantages. And the prestige comes from it being well-known that Harvard requires a very high LSAT and GPA and Harvard grads have their pick of employment in the US so if they want to come to Canada, it is not from any desperation or last resort and if they choose your firm, that speaks well to the firm. You got your answers, but now you're arguing with them because you disagree with what you were told. You may just need to actually start law school, start working as a lawyer and be part of the hiring process before it makes sense to you. As has been pointed out to you, most NCA applicants who didn't go to Cambridge or Harvard apply to small firms for work. Lawyers in small firms are very busy. We don't have hiring committees, recruiters or HR departments. We have to do a lot of our own admin and our business development as well as legal work. We are not going to be running around trying to figure out what someone's degree means when we have plenty of equally good people in front of us whose qualifications we can easily figure out. I just tried to figure out what qualifications a Canadian needs to get into UCL and I couldn't get a straight answer - the web page was talking about all kinds of exams that mean nothing to me. Most lawyers are not going to be motivated to go through all that. Of course it's not "fair", but who says life is fair? The legal profession still has problems with racism against visible minorities and indigenous people, retention of women etc. If we haven't solved discrimination for factors people can't control, what makes you think it's a high priority to solve problems faced by people who voluntarily choose a path that they know or should know will disadvantage them?
  9. I think she was just trying to justify her choice, because I remember 10 years ago and no, people didn't think any better of Bond than they do now.
  10. I don't hear Michigan called "U of M" that much - there are so many "Ms" in the US. It gets called "Michigan"(as opposed to "Michigan State") or "Ann Arbor" usually.
  11. Well, sometimes they bring their dirtiness with other countries here ie. SNC-Lavalin. And now with Mark Norman too, I am not sure Canada does respect the rule of law here either.
  12. ...would be more positive if Western countries had treated others according to the rule of law, but they didn’t/don’t....
  13. I would say it’s the opposite - you should come into law school already having critical thinking skills, which the LSAT etc test, and law school teaches you thinking skills specific to being a lawyer.
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