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  1. to those with experience in tax law as an articling student and juniior associate, could you shed some light on the kind of work you do? I am at a firm that doesnt have a very big tax practice so I dont get much, if any, exposrue to it. I have done work in corporate, revising/amending closing agendas, due diligence, drafting the odd agreement etc. curious what kind of work students do in tax law.
  2. i thought both exams were pretty straightforward for the most part. i thought solicitor had the potential to be waaaayy more challenging based on the materials than it was. thus, i was much more nervous heading into it. In both exams however, i felt there were questions that just (a) didnt make sense; and/or (b) were not in the materials. I heard someone say there are experimental items on the exam like the lsat, I was a bit suspicious of this claim. But turns out to be true: A small number of new items are piloted on each Licensing Examination as “experimental items”. These experimental items are not counted towards a candidate’s score, and therefore do not contribute to a pass/fail result. The majority of Licensing Examinations items are “operational items”, on which the candidate’s score is based. To achieve the piloting objectives, and consistent with best practices for professional licensing examinations, there are no indications in the Licensing Examination booklet to identify a given item as either an experimental item or an operational item. The administration of non-scored experimental items is an essential step in developing future Licensing Examinations." I got this from http://www.lsuc.on.ca/LawyerExaminationGuide/ so go figure eh? I guess i wasnt crazy after all.
  3. Thanks for all the replies they are helpful. @Rearden granted yes my example wasnt the greatest, but i find there are questions which require you to look in two different places to find the answer. that was really what i was getting at. @FineCanadianFXs ill definitely take this approach into consideration i find myself doing that pretty often and noticed it on the barrister.
  4. i totally understand that the bar exam is not reflective ones knowledge. but my experience in doing practice questions thus far is that its not simply a matter of locating the answer in the materials. Questions IMO have the potential to require critical thinking and application of the materials for exampl: A purchased a parcel of land on a concession in township and subsequently in 1981 purchased parcel B. the two lands abutted, and the previous owner of the land did not obtain consent to sell parcel B while owning parcel C. Which one of the following is a prohibited transaction. this requires you to look up the law relating to consent and the history of the planning act. i just dont understand how to answer this in a minute 45. Just worried that every question will be very difficult.
  5. Thanks in advance for reading this and offering any assurances/advice. Wrote the barrister already and have been studying for the solicitor exam. I have a pretty good knowledge base for this exam; ive taken most courses related to it, albeit in second year. However, i have to say my anxiety/nerve levels heading into this exam are markedly higher than for the barrister exam. The materials are incredibly dense, technical, and frankly, very poorly organized. The business law materials are basically a shit show. Moreover, i am concerned about timing on this exam. I had some peace of mind with the barrister exam because i knew there would be gimme questions allowing me to save time i.e. how many days to respond to a SOC etc. But with the solicitor materials my issues are: (1) real estate and business law are so dense, and the DTOC is super long with each chapter having so many subheadings in it that i am finding it difficult to locate my materials quickly enough; and (2) that I will have serious issues with timing due to a lack of gimme questions. I wonder how other people feel about this exam, i have friends in law school but i find discussing these things with people adds to stress levels so i prefer to avoid this. But i mean if i have a decent knowledge base for this exam, ive taken real estate, commercial law, corporate law, income tax, estates, and have exceeded in these courses. yet i still find the potential for this exam to be a shitshow. What about the people who dont have as much experience with these materials. I mean it must be like reading chinese. All this to say, i would love to hear to perspectives on this matter as i have laid out above. Are my worries misplaced? did anyone else feel the same way heading into the exam and felt fine coming out, or alternatively, felt shitty coming out but ended up passing. I know this post isnt really asking anything to specific but i am sure many here understand the stress, nerves and angst associated with the exam so essentially i am just looking for some assurance, peace of mind or comfort, whatever you want to call it. Note, that i have done several practice questions and read all the materials, i plan to read to the PR again, but any advice is welcome.
  6. Started studying for the exams beginning of May. I predict that I should have read through all the materials (except for real estate) by the end of next week. I have some questions re: strategy from here on out. I should preface this with some information re: my learning style as I think people will be able to offer better advice. I am not particularly adept to learning through reading materials (facepalm), though i have been reading the materials closely and with a purpose, i feel as though i haven't retained anything other than general principles i have learned in law school respecting the particular subject matter. Instead, I am most conducive to learning through application. For example, in law school, my approach typically followed: 1) take great class notes; 2) take time to condense those class notes into short summaries; and 3) by the end of classes, bust out practice exam after practice exam. This proved to be a useful strategy for me in law school, as i did pretty well overall. But studying for the licensing exams has me a bit worried given that the suggested study method does not align with my strengths when it comes to learning. Keeping the above in mind, here are my questions: 1) should i read through the materials a second time? Note that i have not found reading through the material thus far to be particularly useful as it relates to actually memorizing it. I understand i need to become familiar with where everything is. I am inclined to not actually read through the materials word for word again, but rather, go through each section and basically flip through the pages to understand how everything is organized. in other words, look at the headings, subheadings etc. and just ask myself "what material is covered here". I supsect this would be a more useful expenditure of my time. curious to hear what other people think about this approach. 2) i have done some practice questions after i have finished certain sections just because am eager and i always want to try and apply what ive just learned, cause we all know you never actually know anything until you are able to apply it. doing these practice questions has lead to a bit of worry. I didnt do very well overall, not to mention that i was no where near within the appropriate time range (recall that - and i dont say this to brag, rather to provide context for advice- i was a well above average student in law school). as such, how should i treat these results? 3) I go to an ontario law school and i am fortunate enough to have an abundance of materials from upper years (questions, indices, quicksheets, charts etc.). with so much material at my fingertips however, i am concerned with what i actually need for the exam. i would prefer to confine my resources to the DTOC, index and bar materials, but would thaat be silly? I dont want to have too many resources at the exam because it will only lead to an irrational anxiety where i will waste time thinking about all the materials i have and which one to look through instead of following a strict pattern for each question. So in short: 1) what should i do after reading materials once keeping in mind my learning style; 2) how should i treat practice tests that i do, is therre anything that will indicate to me that i am ready for the exam? 3) what kind of resources should i bring to the exam.
  7. Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Yes i do have a westlaw subscription, i only realized after making this post that i can access UK and US law. But the other suggestions are also helpful, i actually prefer canlii to westlaw to be honest. Looking forward to spending some time at the great library!
  8. Doing a paper for school comparing legal systems and I am wondering if anyone has suggestions re: research tools for jurisdictions like america and england. Something akin to canlii perhaps? thanks in advance!
  9. Awesome breakdown, basically exactly what i wanted to know. Hopefully I am able to get out atleast three times a week in the morning before work starts.
  10. Heres a question for those who have summered at a full-service medium sized-large sized firm on Bay st.: I find myself needing exercising to stay sane and focused. With 10-12 hour work days (obviously with some variation to this), did you find it was difficult to get in some exercise? Are there ways to fit it in without burning yourself out? My thoughts is going for a run/hitting the gym prior to work but I admittedly have never worked in an office before so I am a bit concerned that I may become too fatigued throughout the day. Granted it differs for everyone, however I am curious to hear about other students' experiences.
  11. Thanks NucksFTW--->go leafs
  12. Thanks for the thread, your post is helpful. And, yes you are right this is my main concern. What i take from your experience is that you looked for a job in BC while working/living in Alberta? Did you have to travel to BC to interview?
  13. Apologies if this thread already exists somewhere but I imagine my circumstances may be somewhat unique enough to warrant a new thread (maybe not.. but nonetheless). Does anyone here have experience moving provinces after articling or maybe after a couple years of working as an associate? ( I am primarily interested in hearing from someone who has practised at a full-service firm and moved from Toronto to a different province) Basically I would just like to hear from someone who has done this. How hard was it to find a job? did you find a job before moving? did you find a job in your desired field? is it necessary to first work for a couple years before moving? how did you go about doing said things.. Feel free to PM me if you dont want to post this information.
  14. I was referring to wine and cheese events once hired. I have been told that these do occur. I am not saying the student-lawyer events are useless. If the former do not occur at all then my comment does not apply.
  15. I didnt say they were "stupider" than me i just opined that it is pretentious and contrived. Whether you agree or disagree that is your prerogative. I merely just think its a forced socialization process which brings no realizable benefit for legal services. How does a wine and cheese event where junior associates are forced to go to interact with senior lawyers on a Wednesday after a 14 hour work day of work do anything to enhance the client experience? As you said... not for me. thats all
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