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healthlaw last won the day on February 19 2019

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  1. Came to share my unsolicited opinion that the LinkedIn posts are 100% cringe. And the trend seems to have caught on because that’s my entire feed lol To me it screams “I need external validation” and humblebrag. Back in my day our humble brag was to change to our title to “summer law students at x” after our first day.
  2. Ekk. This is tough. What is the cost difference? Obviously Windsor is the better choice but the Dual is VERYYY expensive. Hoping you get in elsewhere in Ontario
  3. Make the wise choice here buddy. You can live in your community, hop of the TTC and and be on campus at York with one simple train ride. You’re going to give up going to a reputable school with established clinics, student clubs, an excellent job placement rate and a large (and extremely helpful) alumni base? You’re definitely basing your decision criteria on the wrong things. I’ve spoken to Ryerson students. There are no clinics as of yet so no meaningful ways to get hands on experience and they aren’t loving the “homework assignments” that are supposedly getting them ready for the “real practice of law” (how helpful can drafting mock contracts actually be after 1 semester of law school?) Every time I meet a Ryerson student that tries to convince me that they turned down Western etc. for Ry because of its InOVaTiOn I smile and nod but I’m never convinced.
  4. “So Torontolawstudent123 tell us about yourself?” ”Oh I see you participated in X! How was that?”
  5. It’s a pandemic. Take whatever path is most likely to result in a job and switch groups later. If your firm is anything like mine you can switch groups/specialties later on or take work from both groups of interest. It’s easier to move around internally once you’re already hired
  6. You can remain competitive for jobs with 1 C if the rest of your grades are good, which yours are so take some time to lick your wounds, pick yourself back up and keep going.
  7. Go to McGill and never look back sincerely, - an Osgoode grad (but seriously. McGill is a well respected school. You can land on Bay or in Ottawa from McGill if you want to and at a fraction of the cost. Montreal is a cheaper/cooler/prettier city). There is no downside. You’re not missing anything except overpriced tuition
  8. Definitely good enough for 2L. The 1L is not guaranteed but you might as well apply. At worst you’re getting experience networking, putting your material together, creating an impression/making connections with firms. I don’t think it would be a waste of time (also once you have your cover letter written subbing out firm names/intro paragraph about wanting to work at firm X isn’t that much work)
  9. There are people on Bay Street with C’s. At Osgoode, a number of my friends landed a C+ in ethical lawyering (lol) and ended up on Bay anyway. It was practically a running joke in my year. One not so great grade amongst other good ones is totally fine. Multiple C’s or 1 C amongst other not so competitive grades will be a hard sell.
  10. Don’t fret until you’ve received your marks back (and even then, it’s too late so might as well try to learn from your mistakes but not dwell and beat yourself up). When I was in 1L I made the mistake of sticking around after my very first law school exam. It was crim. I stupidly sat around listening to everyone confidently explain why they put murder 1 or murder 2. I had put manslaughter. I literally drove straight home and cried for hours. How could I have been so stupid? The end result? We all ended up with the exact same grade because law is rarely black and white and your analysis matters. At the end of the day you won’t know how you did until you get your results back. As a 2L, I didn’t realize there was one more question worth a decent chunk of marks until the last 10 minutes of the exam. I cranked out what I felt was an incoherent answer and cried all the way home. Got an A. My answer was likely better than I thought it was. But in the weeks after the exam i was confident I had bombed the whole thing. I could go on and on about the times I thought I messed up an exam and got a great grade, or the time I walked out of an exam confident I had won the course prize (lol) only to end up with a mediocre grade. By 3L I got pretty good at figuring out how exams went but it’s impossible to gauge as a 1L.
  11. Just wait until you attend your Tory’s orientation week, followed by daily lunch in the McCarthys bistro at your law school, followed by classes in the Fasken moot court room. That’s how bay law gets ya! In all seriousness, “Gowlings” is featured so prominently at Osgoode I thought it referred to a historical legal figure.
  12. These threads are the reason I keep reading here 🤣. I’m a long ways away from the “chances” thread I posted in 2014 (dating myself)
  13. Big law = large (usually national/international) law firms with large institutional clients. Obviously not practiced exclusively in Toronto (think NY, Hong Kong, London, LA, Etc etc etc) Bay street law/Bay law = not a thing. People will say they work on Bay Street and that often implies “big law”
  14. Everyone’s experiences and preferences will vary but I find the lack of predictability and control over my schedule much more stressful than the actual hours of work. A lack of control over your schedule means that you have waste some “business hours” being idle but then have to work late into the night or on the weekends. Predictably working 12 hours per day from 8am - 8pm is far less stressful than working working the same number of hours on an unpredictable basis (ie: til midnight one day, til 9pm on other days). @Aton was spot on. It’s less about the number of hours you need to bill and more about the expectations placed on you. A smaller firm with a lower target but crazy expectations re: responsiveness (or very demanding partners) likely won’t be much less stressful to work for. Some smaller shops and boutiques can be just as stressful (I’m told by my peers. Haven’t experienced it so can’t confirm)
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