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  1. This is a tough one. Some practice areas require reading a lot of case law and doing a lot of research,. Other practice areas require a lot of drafting and revisions which requires a lot of detailed reading and analysis of documents. It can also depend on the size of the files you're working on as well as the size of your team. For example, some M&A partners will be on the phone all day, then will provide associates with instructions for revising drafts, or reviewing agreements. Similarly, some (all) litigation partners will delegate research and memo writing down to associates. But at the end of the day, they still need to review the draft transaction documents, or research memos, respectively. I'm not sure there are any particular stand-out practice areas I can think of that do more or less reading than the others. Regardless of the practice area, you're basically going to be reading hundreds of emails in between phone calls. Personally, practicing law has taken a bit of the fun out of reading novels or other books after work. It's really hard to read for pleasure after sifting through emails all day. But I know plenty that do still enjoy it. As a side note: and I know you opened with "don't get me wrong..." but I don't think this is necessary and posters shouldn't be harassed for these types of questions. There's definitely a trend lately where a lot of people on this board have been asking questions about work life balance, hours, how much work it is to be a lawyer, how happy we are in our careers, etc. I think these questions help the prospective legal community as a whole. This industry is filled with enough miserable people and know exactly what to expect when you join the bar is just being responsible. I just wanted to get that out there before people bombard you with "find another career if you don't want to [insert dog shit part about being a lawyer]".
  2. So a bunch of firms state that they are willing to divulge salary data with a research body and your position is that you don't see "even the beginning of a hint that things are moving in a direction that could somehow one day result in a list of how much each firm pays in searchable form"? I just want to get that right because this is a really odd take. What on earth would look like a beginning of a hint that things are moving in that direction?
  3. 1. Study hard until you learn how to study smart. For example: review the cases, learn to brief them, etc. but slowly transition over to using CANs. Chances are you'll take some new upper-level course that won't have a CAN and you'll need to actually read the text and brief the cases to understand what's going on. 2. Take a long hard look at the lifestyle, job satisfaction, etc. of the legal career you're shooting for. Some careers can be absolutely soul crushing and 1L is a good time to ask around.
  4. Maybe it's just my practice, but I find that having someone cover your files while you're out of office is very difficult in this industry. It's basically why so many of us work over our vacations unless we wind our practice down slightly before leaving.
  5. Great thanks @TKNumber3 and @TheScientist101. I'll dip my toes in the water and see how it works out. I'm currently involved in our science and tech group but my work has been mostly related to corporate work. The partnership has expressed interest in my jumping on a few patent files and I just wanted to make sure that I won't be shunned by clients for not having a PhD in some specific field. I suppose I'll have to take a crack at it and see if I really feel out of my depth from a technical knowledge standpoint (I figure I'll feel out of my depth from a legal standpoint as my only experience with IP is limited to a couple courses in law school). I appreciate the help
  6. Oddly enough, I mean the patent prosecution side. While I don't have a degree in a lot of the subjects I'm being asked to jump in on, I have a pretty diverse understanding of science and tech - Just not nearly at the level of someone with formal education in the area (obviously). I'm starting to think there may be a mix-up and I shouldn't be involved on these files lol.
  7. @TheScientist101 is there a "stigma" or anything of that sort against lawyers who worked their way into IP through working at a full service firm but don't have graduate/STEM academic credentials? I've recently been asked to get involved in patent and TM matters and while I have a science undergrad/background, it's not exactly from a "hard" science.
  8. I'm not on Bay but work at a large firm in another jurisdiction and this is precisely how I feel. I was wondering why I felt especially over worked and stir crazy and for some reason didn't realize why until you spelled it all out. Great post.
  9. I suppose it's because OCIs occurred this week for some jurisdictions and the some law students want to know what their getting in to. Could also be undergrads/law students doing their due diligence on the legal profession. I'm not complaining as I think it's a good thing that people are asking these questions. Law is a very demanding profession and sometimes people have unreal expectations about the career (he typed from his office on a Saturday morning...).
  10. I think a lot of prospective students and law students are freaking out about hours, pay, work life balance. There are like 4 threads on the forums about it.
  11. Same with board positions that offer some form of remuneration.
  12. It all depends what you want. A lot of fulfilling and very well compensated careers will require more than 40 hours a week.
  13. I haven't taken a day off in a month and wish I was putting in 50-60 hours a week. But it's just a busy time in my practice right now. The fact of the matter is if you want to work in private practice and make a good amount of money, you have to put in some pretty crazy hours sometimes. But that's private practice. There are some positions that can definitely work under 50 hours. My understanding is in house counsel and government lawyers will pull more reasonably hours but I'm sure they have to burn the midnight oil sometimes too.
  14. There's a real takeaway here for law students and articling students: similar to an abstract in a scientific paper it's crucial that you learn how to read a case and ensure that you understand the context of the quote you use in a memo. Don't rely solely on the head note.
  15. I find this is an issue with my professional clients (doctors, lawyers, etc.) who are used to being one of the smartest people in the room and think that law is just paper pushing...
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