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  1. I’m just going to confirm what the above folk said because lots of prospective students read this forum and get scared. There’s no reason to be studying late in law school, unless you’ve decided to fill 9am - 9pm with other things. Except for the week or two before exams, I can’t even imagine working till ten.
  2. Okay, but I responded to your actual claims. If the question is actually just so minimal as to be whether there are any jobs called lawyer that see low working hours and minimal stress - sure. There are some.
  3. Plus, I don’t know how to break this news to you, but there are lots of lawyers who are genuinely willing to work those hours for that money. At least for some chunk of their lives. When people say ‘biglaw might not be for you’ to someone who wants to go home at 6pm regularly, that’s not inequitable. My experience has been that most people leave about 6-18 months after they stopped valuing the trade enough to make it. That seems pretty reasonable.
  4. Hard to imagine will turn into easy to see why. I had a lot of the same questions six years ago. My firm has no billable targets, soft or hard, at least none that anyone has ever explained or applied, and most of us bill well more than Toronto targets. We work very long hours because our clients do things within timeframes that require a small group of lawyers to be available, and doing things, most of the time. Every associate will tell you there have been times their practice group was short staffed and they could have used a few more bodies. Many will go through periods where they’re on too many matters, but that’s often just because they were assigned deals at times it was harder to predict when everything would get busy. You’ll notice no one in this thread is saying that only people who want to bill 2000 a year papering private equity transactions should be lawyers. Even within my world, if you want to start at a less pricey law firm, do compliance/regulatory stuff and bounce to work an in-house compliance officer job by 5th year, you can do all that while barely breaking a sweat. I know commercial transactional lawyers who go home at a reasonable hour, too. They just make a lot less money, like you said. The roles you’re whining don’t exist, do exist, more or less. There are 9-5 jobs in law. Or, at least, close enough to it. There are other jobs that aren’t 9-5 and you’re wrong on how much of that is a function of toxic choice. The bulk of it is the result of working for clients who get off calls at 9pm and ask for docs (or whatever) by 9am, plus the high likelihood of errors and the practical impossibility of trying to handover work midstream. ** Now, what you could do, is give everyone 3 months off. You could just cut their pay by some bit over 25% and say each of you work the stupid hours, but for three months each year you get sabbatical. The problem with this theory is that there would be far more lawyers than you think who say no, I’ll take the money, thanks.
  5. Yeah this is wrong. You couldn’t just swap out associates for day and night shifts. You couldn’t just have 20 person teams on every small deal. Leaving aside the economic efficiency entirely, it would produce countless errors as people had to spend 1/2 their time just catching up on what the other teammates did. As an M&A lawyer, I’d rather just put in the hours. The nightmare of trying to handover to make sure everyone worked an 8 hour shift would be absurd. My comment is limited to large M&A work, though, since it’s all I have direct experience with.
  6. No particular wisdom to share, I’ve just never heard a NY lawyer say they believe Canadian lawyers are more competent or experienced on average at any given rank. It would be so out of character I’d probably spit out my morning coffee even if it were late at night.
  7. That would definitely be news to me.
  8. How is this still a thread? Law students need one suit or professional get-up, as hegdis said, and as long as it fits, you’ll be fine. Wear student clothes to school. If you wear professional clothes to school, the rest of us will think you’re a dork. Not in a cute way. In a “I’m affecting the appearance of professional because I’m highly status sensitive” way.
  9. Oxhorn. Failing that, mother of pearl. But if you (or your houseboy, naturally) bought caviar that came in a metal tin already, just throw it out.
  10. I’m not even sure UT lets you graduate if you don’t own your own caviar spoons. Anyway, as long as you have one tux for each day of the week, you’ll be fine.
  11. I doubt I knew more than one person at law school who agreed with 3.
  12. My favorite part of that critique was that it unfairly gave access to “networking opportunities with professors”. As if you can’t just go talk to them practically any time at all.
  13. Oh I’m glad to hear it lives! But yes, it was protested because it didn’t adhere to Marxist-Leninist principles. So, that’s how conservative UT is.
  14. Wasn’t the charity auction at UT that raised money for First Nations women shut down because protestors complained that students with more money could donate and win more and that was classist? Thats how conservative UT law is. They shut down an activist project to help First Nations women and foster community, obvious progressive goods, because it broke another progressive principle.
  15. Go do ESL teaching. You’re the ideal candidate. If you’ve never spent real time abroad, particularly on your own, it will be an enriching experience. Working full time will do you well before more school, and the opportunity to travel before you have the full weight of a lawyer’s responsibilities will be irreplaceable. Edit: And to invert the argument of another poster - there’s never a good reason not to take a gap year or more. You live once. You don’t need to be a lawyer for all of it. Frankly, I hope we’re all more interesting people than that. And as a general rule, the greatest anxiety comes from students who came straight from undergrad.
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