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  1. An old fashioned made with small batch Demerara sugar syrup, small batch apple bitters, and small batch CC Chronicles #1, served in a miniature stanley cup that says ONE DAY on the side.
  2. The question asked is plainly dumb, both because law firms hire students with much better grades and because academic isn’t a higher form of lawyer than practicing lawyer. But there is a less dumb version of the question. I had better 1L grades than OP out of Toronto and there were a few 1L employers I spoke to who, because of my grades and clearly stated/demonstrated interest in crossborder/international work, told me directly they assumed I’d go to New York. I didn’t have a very plausible way to deny interest. So OP, there are ways to convince employers who might otherwise be interested that you’re not really keen on being with them. Figure out what it is you’ve done that gave that signal, but it almost definitely wasn’t grades alone.
  3. There’s no need to prep for law school. It’s school. They’re supposed to be prepping you for your career. (Pro tip: they won’t.)
  4. It’s just school. Read the books, take notes, do practice tests. Don’t listen to anyone who frames law school as something other than school.
  5. I mean if employers really feel like it works just as well as grades, and that it’s easy enough to tell whose resume looks cool because they got to do an internship or low paying job without worrying about money, or who could get those jobs because of family connections, then it’s really just an argument for abandoning grades and exams altogether. I just don’t think that’s true. I think removing a metric necessarily increases the weight placed on others. And I knew no shortage of people in law school who didn’t have to worry about their finances and did do UN internships or the like instead of pursuing whatever paid the most to keep debt down.
  6. I thought our qualifications would be law school grades. What else is there? Experience for sure! Again though, per the other thread, most law students are straight from undergrad, and it seems pretty clear to me that students who didn’t have to pay for their undergrad are likely to have cooler experiences that look more impressive to law firms. Just seems like a recipe for class background to play a much bigger role.
  7. How would you determine which 1Ls to give interviews to? Or propose giving interviews to. What would be the metric you’d pay attention to?
  8. That’s the breaks, man. If something flowing from the virus is so rough that it grounds a good case for a deferral, the schools should offer you a deferral. But if it’s just “I’m very worried”, that’s not an issue that should push back exams. Having kids in the house is a pretty good reason to adjust the exam structure. It’s unfair to expect people who are minding children to focus exclusively on an exam for three hours. I’m on board with that. If your parents get sick and are hospitalized, you should get a deferral offer. I’m on board with that. But if it’s just a matter of you don’t think your apartment is the ideal place to work because of roommates or you’re stressed about the economy...
  9. My grandfather was hospitalized while I was his primary care giver for three weeks leading up to my 1L exams, died the week before them, and I sat shiva leading up to them. So yeah, a little bit.
  10. And again - yeah, having kids around while you write is a bigger challenge than not. Obviously. Most of my colleagues are working from home with kids around - we’re all in this one. It makes good sense to extend exams to 5 hours or some longer period. And if someone gets sick or has to care for a sick parent, then the schools should give them deferrals. But yeah man. “The economy is bad! Nurses don’t have masks!” Is not a reason you can’t write an exam.
  11. Not really sure what most of that has to do with ability to write an exam well. There was a whole thread on this and people’s reasons for why they can’t do a good job on exams was having to care for kids while writing, or having loud roommates. The fact that you’re worried about employment prospects after you graduate is...I think pretty obviously not a reason that having graded exams is unjust.
  12. By definition, we know less about applicants with one fewer semester of marks. If you were applying to a firm with 4 semesters of As, and another kid had 3 semesters of As and one of Ps, and he got an interview and you didn’t...how do you feel? Keep in mind this would only, reasonably, impact things at the margin. I’m not especially sympathetic to the argument that someone with a taxing home situation can’t find some way to do their best. For one, you’re going to be expected to as a lawyer - “my kids were loud” isn’t going to be something you get to say to a client who thinks you produced a crappy work product. So, might as well start living in reality now. Second, I do think it makes sense - however unrealistic it would be in the work world - to adjust the exam parameters to ameliorate that concern. Give people twice as long for the exams. You guys start getting into the whining like it’s hard for you to study - dude, you’re lining up to be a lawyer. You’re going to have to produce your best work in imperfect conditions. That’s sometimes the job. Edit: To add, obviously if you get the virus or a family member dies (as happened to me) right around the exams, schools should make accommodations. Yes - agree this is a bigger concern for 1Ls than others. And the last point is very dumb. A huge amount of your undergrad was presumably done away from a locked down exam setting, and if not you, then many of us. Much of 2L/3L is paper courses and the like. We’ve all been comfortable with the idea of graded work being done from home for years and years.
  13. Grades obviously determine a lot of the OCI allotment. I suspect firms will be pushing to do recruitment after the first semester of 2L. The downside of that - and what everyone will be complaining about then - is that marking for 2L courses is not as consistent nor as competitive. Some classes will be easier to get As in, others won’t, etc. It’s going to be an imperfect system one way or the other. But employers would still look at any 1L marks they do have, so you’ve got that.
  14. It’s not thinking negatively about a student. If you get one resume from a kid with As or B+s and one from a kid with Ps, you know that kid #1 is strong and you have no idea about kid #2. You guys are all bananas. I knew law students were insecure, but I had no idea the insecurity reached so deep as to prefer guaranteeing you can’t be assessed over taking a shot at doing well in law school. Just shoot your shot. The kids at mandatory P/F schools have lost the chance to demonstrate they’re capable. Don’t lament not being in that club.
  15. No don’t even do that. Use this time to learn how to enjoy life in ways that don’t involve doing unnecessary, superfluous work that won’t move any needles. I promise you’ll have lots of opportunities for the latter once you’re practicing law.
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