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  1. theycancallyouhoju

    McGill vs U of T - business & commercial law

    @pzabbythesecond / @jwms Apologies for being late, I’ve been backed up. There are more UT students hired to NY each year than McGill and, to my knowledge, fewer NY firms actively consider McGill students. If a prospective student were dead set on NY, my advice would be go to UT and do the JD/MBA - that’s the surest route to an interview.
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    Are undergraduate law programs helpful for law school?

    Of course not. It’s learning a (or many) theoretical lens(es) through which to analyze legal institutions, culture, norms, etc. Before you learn what the law is as a thing in itself. That’s the silly part. Like learning Phil of math before you know what addition is instead of after.
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    Are undergraduate law programs helpful for law school?

    I just think it’s very silly. Like learning philosophy of physics without understanding modern physics, or phenomenology in Japanese culture without knowing Japanese, or military history without learning how a military is structured.
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    Are undergraduate law programs helpful for law school?

    They do those things in a law program too, just with an informed view of the law.
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    Are undergraduate law programs helpful for law school?

    I still don’t agree. People have different skill sets, sure, but it’s also true that no one ever took Real Analysis because they thought it would be an easy class for them, where I know a bunch of guys who got drunk four nights a week, watched sports half the day and got A- averages in Comm or Polisci or whatever. I’m very firmly of the view that math is harder to excel at than history and I did both well. And honestly, I have more of an innate advantage in math than history, yet the former was still harder as a program. Gifted math students who become serious contributors to the field can still struggle in the latter half of their undergrad, while I got stoned to write A papers for 500 level history seminars. So...
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    Are undergraduate law programs helpful for law school?

    @epeeist - Take the easiest program you can suffer is certainly a path. But there’s value in trying to grow as a person, which also contributes to your long term career prospects. I say go become the smartest person you can, taking whichever program is most challenging/still gives you a good shot at As.
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    Are undergraduate law programs helpful for law school?

    It’s like doing a program about what it would be like to learn Japanese but without any Japanese actually taught. For the sake of being an intelligent and interesting person who enjoys their studies, I’d just take the most challenging program you’re interested enough in to put in the full effort.
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    Ask a 3L!

    @larthur / @Megbean123 If your goal is to work in Toronto/NY and to work at a top-paying firm in TO or in NY, I still think the price tag is justifiable over Osgoode. I would not advise going to McGill with the intention of going to Bay - it’s doable, certainly, but UT’s numbers stack up very well and, while this is debatable, I think the school’s imprint on your CV matters, if only by way of firm habits. It is not worth it if you’re paying just for a “better education” or if you want to work in lower paying practices. Opinions differ, though. Re: working first - I did. Anecdotally, I would say it helped both me and classmates in similar boats to be better prepared for the career, the stress of job applications and interviews. It also brings perspective. People with careers behind them may have an easier time being very practical in their approach to finding a law career. It should be no surprise that people in their late-20s/early-30s with significant work experience tend to interview better than people who went through high school to undergrad to law. Experience teaches. Re: 20 years of paying off debt - that sounds just awful. I wouldn’t be taking $150k if I thought it meant 20 years paying the bank. But that’s a personal choice.
  9. theycancallyouhoju

    How subjective are law school exams?

    It might help to go talk to a prof. No one can predict that for you. A relationship with them will not help, though. You can’t network your way to As. Successful students are just those who write better and understand the issues clearer. I don’t believe number of hours worked correlates to grade outcomes almost at all. And schools vary, but in 1L one or two exams is common.
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    Online Law Certificates in Canada

    I’d be rather shocked if this is viewed as a positive by law schools. You would be much better advised to do the most respected graduate program in whatever real subject you can get into. Or work. Lawyers will view this program as a marketing gimmick, like those of us here do.
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    Living on campus vs. off?

    I think I did all of them in 1L, but I’m getting old now and may be remembering poorly. Under no condition should you study 12 hours a day. I doubt there was any day in law school I studied for 12 hours.
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    Living on campus vs. off?

    @Megbean123 / @krnprykt As @pzabbythesecond mentioned above, it is probably 200-300 pages a week of reading, but that’s 40-60 pages a day which really isn’t more than 3 hours - assuming you take weekends completely off, as I did. I doubt I actually averaged 3 hours a day over 1L. And many people don’t do every reading. If McGill students think 3 hours a day of work is outrageous, then... No one should have problems working out. Except for right before exams in 1L, I never worked past dinner time, usually bailed on plans to study during lunch to hang out with friends instead, and also went to the gym. Law school is not much work. That being said, in addition to the crazies who hang out at the library till 10pm so they can procrastinate with friends, there are also people who decide re-read every case, make additional materials that are unnecessary, review notes throughout the semester, etc. Law school is like a gas - it will fill whatever space you give to it. What distinguishes it from undergrad is how nervous everyone is - because of that, some people study more even when doing so is highly inefficient or unhelpful.
  13. theycancallyouhoju

    Living on campus vs. off?

    I paid ~$600/month living in a former garage converted to a flat. It was awesome. Took 30 mins to walk to school and I didn’t have to live with parents. Just expand your search a bit.
  14. theycancallyouhoju

    Living on campus vs. off?

    I think you’re worrying too much about how much work there is in law school. For many of us, it was less work than undergrad. Students who stay at the library till 10pm are on Facebook or whatever and hanging with friends procrastinating. You'll be fine. It’s not comparable to med school. Worry about time constraints when you hit practice.
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    Gender Stereotypes on Bay Street in 2018

    Seems like we all agree that society just shouldn’t assume one gender likes raising kids and one gender likes working a career that produces outsized mental health issues and widespread discontentment.