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  1. What is the youngest call’s, other than yourself, rate and year of call? What was your rate during articles? Do you know what your rate will be as an associate? Pay sounds low, but the difference between your rate and your salary will determine if they are screwing you or just a budget law office.
  2. That or he rolls into the office closer to 10 than 9.
  3. I thought about going to New York prior to law school (and Toronto to a lesser extent), but decided I wanted to stay in Vancouver. Haven’t really considered going to either city since. If I was going to leave Vancouver, I’d be looking at one of the offshore jurisdictions like the caymans or Bermuda for a few years, but that’s more of a fantasy than anything I think I’d actually act on.
  4. As a lawyer with a spouse who is also making decent money (not necessarily lawyer money), it really isn’t that bad. You will be shocked at how much the bank will lend you.
  5. Your numbers don’t add up. Billing 12 hours a day, even without working weekends, would mean far more than 200 hours a month. 180 hours a month means billing slightly more than 8 hours a day with weekends off. In my articling 200 was a push, but 180 was manageable. I disagree with ozstudent though, I found it far easier to record those numbers as an articling student than an associate.
  6. I do not know what kind of illness you have, but law is a stressful profession and stress can produce negative health effects which magnify underlying conditions. Personally, I went into law with an underlying condition in remission (a non-terminal condition) and during my articling term it flared back up. I was naive about the impact of stress and as the illness had been in remission for a long time and hadn’t really considered the risk. I have no regrets about going into law, but the impact of stress on my health is something which should have played a larger role in my decision. Law is nice in the sense that it is easy to take time off for doctors etc, but at the same time, it’s bad as the workload and pressure can be high and taking prolonged periods of time off is be hard. As I started with, I know nothing about your condition (even if you said what it was, I don’t know enough to comment on it specifically), so if my opinion is wrong, disregard it. However, regardless of how frustrating it might be, if you have an underlying condition, you should factor this into your decision making.
  7. If that’s the case, then how is your proposed solution even vaguely possible? If the nature of the work is that someone will find it urgent, then the proposed email ban would just serve to frustrate and impede the ability of the firm to function. The whole premise of the email ban suggestion (I’ve read either those articles or a similar one before) is that the emails aren’t actually urgent. So, it strikes me as a contradictory position to state actually the email are likely all urgent. As far as urgency being subjective, in litigation it really isn’t. The deadlines are fairly clear in most cases. Some people (especially clients) tend to wrongly think there is urgency, but that is part of the job of their lawyer to explain that the trial date is in two years, discoveries do not need to be scheduled next month.
  8. Here is an easier solution, if you get an email after 8pm, just wait until the morning to respond. Is it really a requirement on Bay Street to respond to an email received at 8pm the same night (assuming no urgency)? I am not on Bay Street, but even if I get an email from a partner at 5:15 and I am already in the process of leaving for the day, I have no qualms about waiting until the next day to respond. I’ve been at two firms, and never received even so much as a subtle negative comment about this. If it’s urgent, I’ll respond quickly, but otherwise, it can wait. This seems like a self imposed issue where associates feel internal pressure to respond right away, but the pressure is self imposed. Frankly, if a client was told it was only possible to email their lawyer between 8 and 8, I suspect many clients would leave out of principle. What a client would agree to is the ultimate litmus test in my point of view. As even a baby lawyer, you are rarely more than one or two levels of lawyers away from the client. So if the client won’t agree to the demand, the partners won’t either. The client demands get more pressing, not less the more senior you get and associates are hired to make the partners lives easier.
  9. But firms already exist which offer the kind of things you are saying Bay Street should offer. It sounds like you just don’t want to go to them because that would mean you aren’t working on Bay Street anymore. Yes, if you go to a firm where you aren’t expected to answer emails after 5 and with a 1500 hour target you will get paid less, but that’s to be expected. A few years into your practice, assuming you build up a sufficient book of business, you could probably even find a firm willing to let you work 4 days a week. Also, if you are a third year call working on Bay Street, I’m fairly making the switch to New York isn’t that hard. So, it really does come back to choices again. Lawyers have great autonomy in their career, they aren’t stuck.
  10. You aren’t trapped on Bay Street, you can take off the golden handcuffs at any point. You should start actively looking for a new position, even if just a lateral to a different bay street firm.
  11. Winning. Whether it be an application, getting a good settlement, or (less common but the best one) a trial, nothing beats a clear decisive victory.
  12. If you don’t want to do poverty law, don’t take the job. This isn’t rocket science. The only real question should be whether you should accept the Toronto job, which is something you have to answer on your own and mainly depends on if you would be happy living in Toronto.
  13. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/ /end thread
  14. What market are you in and what salary range are you in? Every firm worth working for should reward employees either though salary, bonus, or fee-splits for working more hours.
  15. If taking on more files (and therefore billing more or collecting more contingency fees) doesn’t result in the firm paying you more, than you should look for a new firm.
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