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    Going to Osgoode and living downtown?

    I lived downtown, I never felt like I missed very much save for drama and gossip. There are plenty of students who live downtown (if not a greater component than those living on campus) and lots of social events that take place downtown. Now there's a subway, and if that's not good enough, you can easily make friends with someone that has a car and is willing to carpool or driveshare. I would not advise living on campus just for the social experiences. You can have those for free simply by not leaving campus as soon as class ends.
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    Finding Work as a New Call

    Seconding @kurrika that you should ignore this. I applied to any and every application that was for an associate 3 yrs or under. Over 3 yrs, however, and I think you're barking up a tree that'll never reply. Additionally though, you should try and combine your applications with actual networking where possible. I always reached out to a firm I was applying to to see if a lawyer wanted to get a coffee. I'm sure there's other threads on here about how to succeed at translating email requests for coffees into interviews. Obviously it is best if you can find a connection or some other "in" that justifies reaching out to a particular lawyer. But even if you don't, being honest about your intentions, coming off affable, and showing genuine interest in the firm and its practice will go a long way. In your resume and for interviews, you need to develop an elevator pitch for why your narrow experience translates broadly. Everyone who went to law school should be able to learn any law at this point. But the people hiring are going to be more interested if you can do the actual job expected of you. You shouldn't have much explaining transferable skills between tax litigation and any other litigation. But if you're going out for something you have absolutely no experience in (like Real Estate) you'll have to figure out what skills you learned from Tax Litigation that will allow you to say "here's why my tax litigation experience makes me an ideal Real Estate lawyer...".
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    Working in a law firm/ public sector

    In my view/experience, it is far easier to go from public articling to private associate than the inverse. Everyone I know who articled or clerked and wanted to go private--including me--had very little difficulty getting interviews and finding positions in private practice. Conversely, I personally found getting crown interviews (let alone getting a position), even having the benefit of being in the hiring pool, extremely difficult. Many of my colleagues had a similar experience.
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    Law school attire

    Very true, the Bay can be terrific for deals. Still, one has to be careful there. The Bay also sells a few brands at that price point which look like shiny garbage or your make you look like you're wearing your dad's suit. Let me be clearer though since everyone including me seems to have a "but I've got a wicked cheap suit" story: I'd be surprised if a suit that cost between $100-150, at its full or less than 50% sale price, didn't look like hot garbage.
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    Law school attire

    The suit I get the most compliments on comprised one half of a BOGO where the other suit was $150 (and both on clearance, so $75 a pop). Anyway, it's one thing to be informed enough on fashion and have the tools and confidence to find great deals. But my alarm bells go off when I see "pretentious" and "being judged" in an interview setting combined with an assumption that a basic suit costs $100 (actually, my most "basic suit"--the one I save for important meetings, interviews, or wear to court--is also my most expensive suit).
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    Law school attire

    I'd be surprised if anyone had a $100 suit that didn't look like a shiny Le Chateau sale rack prom suit. So tread carefully with your wallet. How you appear in an interview is important. Nobody cares what brand of suit or clothing you wear if you look splendid. But if you look like shit, it isn't pretentious to judge whatever decisions went into dressing like that for a job interview.
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    Turning 30 in 1L

    There were three types of mature students in law school. The first made their age an issue anytime they could. "I'm old" they screamed at anyone who would listen "I'm old, my body hurts, and I cannot relate to the youth culture". And lo and behold, this group of student who constantly othered themselves seemed to had difficulty relating their peers. The second was a lot like the first but used their age as a sword whenever possible, sometimes implicitly but often explicitly. "I'm older than you, which means more experienced or smarter or both, and so you must heed my words and opinion". Lo and behold, the smug and condescending approach made it difficult for these mature students to fit in, too. The third type did not give a shit how old they were, or how old anyone else was. They treated their fellow students as equals regardless of age. Shockingly, nobody gave a shit how old they were either. Nobody cares. For employment, if you take either of the above first two mentalities into interviews, then yes it might be an issue. Nobody wants to hire an associate who calls all the senior lawyers "whippersnappers" and refuses to take orders or criticism from those younger than them. Humility, self-awareness, and the absence of shoulder chips will go a long way. (I was in the third group. Literally zero fellow students or prospective employers gave a shit how old I was. I had zero issues finding work. I never even thought about it.)
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    Clerkships 2019

    Nothing else to do. Relax.
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    Ask a 1L — 2018 Edition

    It sounds like you are genuinely worried about blizzards. This is not a concern. First, nobody cares if you're late to class or there are at all, except you. There is no attendance, with the exception of ELGC (a limited three week or-so course). Second, whether or not you can keep up aftermissing a class is 100% up to you, and there's nobody who can answer that question for you. I didn't miss many classes, but when I did it was not a big deal. Keep up with your readings and the missed class will have little effect unless you did not understand the readings. It is manageable. How you balance your social life depends 100% on you. An hour commute a day is, again, not a major concern. People survive law school with part-time jobs, children, and other significant time-constraints. Everyone does their own thing. Some people study in the library. Some people study at home. There are lots of events. Nobody is required to participate in all of them. As a commuter, I spent a lot of time on campus some days, and other days I got the heck out of there. As I noted earlier, you will figure it out. Living in Chambers has its positives and negatives. Yes, you will be surrounded by other law students. This may make it easier to make friends. Or enemies! Who knows? By being on campus 24/7, you will also be unable to escape the anxiety of exams and the drama and gossip of residence life--or at least it will be more difficult than if you were living off-campus. Again, I have no idea how good you are at making friends, so answering this question is impossible. But because this seems like a concern for you, I'll hazard a guess that yes, you should engage in extracurricular activities---those which are of genuine interest to you---if you want to integrate into the community. If you show up to class, then leave to go home immediately afterward, you'll meet nobody and in turn, nobody will know you. I was a commuter. I was heavily involved in the Oz community. I made a lot of friends. It wasn't hard. I'm not some super extroverted person.
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    Ask a 1L — 2018 Edition

    1. LOL, this blizzard was not a big deal. Snow days won't happen unless your professor's car gets stuck. I wrote exams the day after a big snowstorm. You'll figure it out. No it won't affect anything unless you're incapable of preparing to leave a bit earlier in case traffic's bad. 2. Live at the place that's free. There's no other consideration that can outweigh free room and board. No, a commute won't affect your learning unless you're incapable of opening a laptop or textbook on a bus or subway. You'll figure it out.
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    Clerkships 2019

    Depends on your judge. Also depends on why you think you may be a good candidate for that particular judge. You may be interviewed because you attend a law school that the judge interviewing you has a strong connection with. You may be hired on grades or references. You may be hired on expertise. Be prepared to answer questions related to any or all of those. For example, I was picked for interview (and hired) quite substantially based on my references and expertise. Accordingly, I prepped myself to answer questions related to how I knew and what kind of relationship I had with my references. I also could speak quite extensively on my expertise. Re the latter, I was also provided a choice of 4 or 5 recent decisions of my judge to discuss at the interview. Naturally, I read them all, and prepped a few of those. Even if you do not get a decision to prep, it is probably a great idea to review a few recent decisions of theirs anyway--especially any with discussion online, either positive or negative (I would avoid focusing on anything that has been extensively criticized; but depending on the interviewing judge, it may reflect positively on you to show honesty and a willingness to disagree. WARNING: TREAD CAUTIOUSLY). Get familiar with the FC's jurisdiction and some of its basic procedure. Be familiar with the types of law that the FC has jurisdiction over. You don't need to go down a rabbit-hole of learning all of Maritime law, but if you read a few Admin, IP, Privacy, First Nations etc. Law decisions, you'll get the picture. Seems trivial, but if you've never done it before, practice saying "Your Honour" until it flows naturally. Finally, as with all interviews, the most important thing is to develop phenomenal answers to these two questions: 1. Why do you want to work at the FC (and even better, why for this particular judge); 2. Why should the FC (and this particular judge) hire you. Good luck!
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    Should I Apply for the 1L Recruit?

    So first, I agree that with straight Bs you're a longshot for a 1L job. That said, I have always advised 1Ls and prospective law students to apply in their first year regardless of grades. Here's why: It is really a minimal effort. You do not need to apply to every single job. Everyone is capable of determining at least one place they'd like to work and applying to it. Job application skills will continue becoming more and more valuable to you, with every year you're in law school, particularly in 2L. They will remain useful for the rest of your career. Applying in 1L is gives you a good practice round. Take the shot. Even if you come up empty for jobs, you will be in an excellent position and will have a working resume, cover letter, and other materials to go on when you start applying for OCIs. If you really don't want to work at any of the places that are hiring, then okay; there's no need to apply. However, if you are interested in one of those positions, apply for it. You lose nothing unless you submit something embarrassing (which obviously, I do not advise anybody does). I was interviewed in 2L by several of the firms I had applied to in 1L. Not that my 1L applications necessarily helped, but they clearly did not harm me at all. This gives you the opportunity to learn what makes a strong cover letter. They are not easy to write, especially for those who may have never written one prior to law school. It also gives you the opportunity to learn what goes into a law resume, and how to make it stand out. It teaches you to pay attention to detail and avoid typos and silly grammar mistakes in your applications. In short, it's an excellent, low-stakes but high-yield learning experience at the least, and a potential interview at the most.
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    Law school "success" guide

    While I don't endorse OP's "success guide" in its entirety, I'm not sure that your bolded quote flows from the strategies it recommends. You can both focus on the final exam and you can engage enthusiastically in the course material and classes. I actually recall reading this guide before law school or some earlier version of it, and between it and the ideas advanced in Getting to Maybe, I found that focusing on the final exam from day one was the right approach for me. Concurrently, I also had no difficulty keenly following and participating in courses where the subject matter was especially fascinating or the professor was particularly engaging. I did both. I did well. Now in practice, the subjects that stuck with me the most and in which I feel the strongest are surprisingly the ones where the professor was either boring or hard to follow and for which I checked out early to go it alone and try and master the final exam solo (as the linked guide, I think, recommends broadly). So, the assertion that you get a more valuable education--and that this will help you in practice--from engaging more in the Law School's or individual professor's curriculum isn't necessarily true across the board, or perhaps at all. Clinics and internships and other opportunities that will give you hands-on lawyering experience? Sure, that will help you in practice. But taking notes furiously in Corporate Law every single class and putting up your hand to answer teach's queries? Sorry, no. That is probably not going to make you a better lawyer than anyone else, though it shows you've got real moxie, kiddo. And in any event, as I said, you can do both. I was an eager beaver but also I focused on the final exam just fine without it affecting my legal enthusiasm or making me a hardcore ratrace triathlete. Every student has to figure out what works best for them. Some of this guide may provide some useful strategies for some. It may be useless to others. All "Law School Guides" are to be taken with a grain of salt, and at the end of the day each individual student has to figure out best practices and habits and make decisions for themselves. Anyone who thinks there is one singular recipe to succeeding at law school will be disappointed.
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    Suits For Men

    Whatever you want and looks good with the outfit overall. Whatever you want and looks good with the outfit overall. Whatever you want and looks good with the outfit overall. Some ties look weird with certain knots and you don't really have a choice one way or the other. There are a number of other knots, btw, it isn't a two knot world. Not sure what there is to debate
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    Career advice for 2nd year associate?

    Your mental health comes first, always. By the sounds of it, your workplace is a living hell for you. Make your exit. You should not have difficulty transitioning a bay street associate position into something else. There are jobs available. There are always jobs available. Sure, it is a competitive market. No, you may not fall into your dream job immediately--lol, nobody does--but start working on getting there now and you'll be fine if you're patient and flexible on location and income. Life is too short to waste the majority of your time on people you hate. It would be one thing if you simply hated the job itself. Or if you couldn't get along with one or a few of your coworkers. But, if you hate everyone and everything and aren't really fond of the job itself, then leave. And no, not all lawyers in private practice are toxic people who are difficult to work for. That's the wrong takeaway. Here's the right one: taking a job based on salary and passing interest is not going to make you happy. The most important detail about your prospective employer should be the people who work there. So this time you look, interview your employers as considerably as they do you and be discerning about who you wind up working for. Also, one thing to perhaps ask yourself--and only you know how worthwhile a pursuit this is given your surroundings--is whether there is any way to try and resolve your toxic workplace head on before you start exploring an escape plan. As in, could you talk to any coworkers and in what way could they help and support you? Could you directly approach the partner you work for and stand up for yourself in any way as opposed? Are there any other partners with whom you have a relationship and could discuss the matter, as opposed to an anonymous message board? If the answer to all of these is no, then ya - get to work on your resume and start making coffee dates.
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