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  1. I echo the above but I'll add my personal experience: Litigation skills are highly transferable. It is easier to shift from a litigation role to non-litigation than the inverse. Also, you may like what you wind up doing. Since my call I've worked in litigation but very little in my main area of interest or aligned with my background (whatever that means). It's all been fun and engaging. Plus, I have zero concern about my marketability as a lawyer nor do I feel pigeonholed. All considered, without more information, it doesn't sound like it would be a mistake to take the job. Your concern might be better placed toward assessing the quality of senior lawyers you'll be working with and learning from. If you work with good counsel, you're more likely to gain strong lawyering skills and a good reputation. If you work at a bad shop with problematic lawyers, that will likely have a worse overall effect on your marketability than the subject area you practice or that you were a litigator instead of a solicitor. Your decision also really depends on your current options and prospects and how long you can afford to wait. If you have absolutely nothing else cooking, then I would take the position.
  2. Ditto. I went to law school as a mature student. Never faced any negative attitudes. Most firms and organizations were very interested in my previous experience and maturity. Depending on your age and where you apply, you may sometimes have to answer a question intended to delicately gauge if "you still got the stamina to bill 2400 hrs while taking orders from associates and partners younger than you?" It comes down to attitude. The successful mature law students in my cohort didn't care about their age, got involved, made friends, and had or developed legal passions just like everyone else. They brought that into recruitment processes and did well because firms and organizations like to hire smart, positive, passionate people. Then there were those who acted like Roger Murdaugh in Lethal Weapon, constantly and vocally expressing im-too-old-for-this-shit attitudes; or who condescended to the younger law students because they thought their age and experience gave them some special legal wisdom powers. Attitude often bleeds into job applications and interviews, and acts as a red flag. That's likely why some people perceive that they've faced some form of age discrimination when what actually happened was a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.
  3. 1. Depends on how you go about using it. 2. Depends on how you go about applying for positions. 3. Depends on you. Not entirely sure what you're expecting to get out of these questions, but without knowing anything about you those are the answers. I was in the MAG hiring pool post-articling and got interviews. Took awhile to figure out how to draft government cover letters, which are a different beast than applying to private firms. Ask your colleagues or mentors how to do this. I found an associate position pretty easily after articling. It's as hard as you make it and depends on the job market you're entering and how many positions you apply for. Applying for few highly competitive jobs is harder than for many less competitive jobs. Ultimately, it depends substantially on what kind of candidate you are. I don't understand how risk plays in here. It sounds like you're worried you'll be unemployed, but there's no calculus for that. The risk is really high if you don't apply for positions and aren't good at drafting application materials or interviews. It's low in the inverse.
  4. Nah. This was one of the most entertaining threads I've scrolled in months. The ability to disengage from problematic ideas is a privilege that many people don't enjoy. In the same way I'm glad that people who enjoy that privilege but engage anyway with racism, anti-semitism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, among many other things, I'm grateful OP wasn't just left alone.
  5. Not getting hired through OCIs was devastating to me at the time because I was stressing about shoring up an articling job. But it wound up being the best thing that happened to my legal career. Don't worry about the result. If you can look past the competition, anxiety, and stress, OCIs and in-firms can be fun. For me it was a non-stop opportunity to talk about myself, I got to hang out all day with my friends and colleagues--everyone looking their best--and there was endless free food. This year might be understandably tougher: fewer snacks and less opportunity to blow off steam with your friends. I recall carrying some of the energy from the OCI break room into my sessions and that had a positive effect. It may help to create a similar effect by ensuring plenty of your favourite snacks onhand and creating opportunities to decompress and debrief with people you like.
  6. Fair enough! How many words or less would you prefer the answer in and when is your curiosity "due".
  7. Boy this sure sounds like a homework assignment.
  8. I was just writing the same comment. Sure, it can be frustrating for busy lawyers to be asked questions that research or googling will give you a quick answer on. At the same time, however, you shouldn't spend three hours quietly billing research on a file when asking the question would give you an answer in under five minutes. I'll always err on the side of asking the question and risking a "couldn't you have looked this up?" To be quite honest, I don't recall ever taking shit for asking a question.
  9. I went to Osgoode with a specific interest in IP, I took all the courses and did nearly all the extracurriculars. Tremendous program. I'd recommend it, but I'm clearly bias. I know IP lawyers who attended UofT and who enjoyed that program, and I don't think you will go wrong either way. Your specific experience will largely depend on who's teaching what course in the years you study, which can be a crapshoot. I'd consider other variables that affect you like cost, location, etc.
  10. I recognize how hard it probably feels to ask when there's been so little time to justify a positive reference-- especially during a pandemic. 1L professors tend to be aware of the situation even pre-pandemic. Some may adopt a blanket policy about never providing references to 1Ls (certainly not without a final grade or work experience either as an RA or through some student work program like a journal or clinic--and this would be rare at this point of 1L). Some may be keen to write a positive reference on request. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know without asking. I'll address another part of your question now, too. It isn't a big deal to lack a law school professor's reference as a 1L; most students won't have one. And if you admit you don't have much experience or grades to offer a glowing reference, why force it? Personally, I'd be skeptical of a generically-positive 1L reference. I'd question what experience this professor was basing their reference on. Without specifics that indicate the candidate is exceptionally smart, capable, enthusiastic, or some other virtue, then the reference would be providing no benefit other than existing among other documents. Maybe, at best, it says that you have enough hustle to get one, or that you're just so likable that the prof felt bad not giving you one. I don't know how valuable those assumptions may be to your employability. Some food for thought. Consider also that the energy you're spending looking for a 1L law-related job by connecting with your professors may be better spent asking those profs how you might shore up an RA position with them over the summer. You could even advocate for youself by referring to this very struggle: "I was thinking about applying to 1L law jobs and considered getting a law professor's reference. I love your class and this subject and so I had thought about asking you. It occurred to me that you may not be willing to provide a reference given that it has only been one term and you may not know me or my abilities very well. But then it occurred to me that I'd be keen--if you're looking for one--to work as your RA this summer. Would you be open to discussing that opportunity if its available?" I don't really know what you're looking for exactly, but if you're already thinking about connecting with your professors, this may be an opportunity to investigate your options.
  11. Just ask. The worst case scenario is a rejection. I asked some of my 1L profs for references. I had one prof--whom I liked and respected--tell me he wouldn't, because he just didn't know me well enough and as I hadn't received any grades in his class yet. It stung for a second, because I thought we had a nice rapport. But at the same time, his response was fair and reasonable. I was also naive and hadn't really provided him a good reason to vouch for me. If you want a better chance of getting a yes, do whatever self-advocacy you need to get there. Also consider that if you can't develop a good reason why your prof should write you a reference, that may be a strong indicator that they can't either. A reference letter can't just say "I am aware this student is taking my course. They seem like a nice person". There should probably be more to it then that. If you can fill in those blanks for them when you make the request, it may help them reach a yes answer.
  12. You have good grades. Apply for the job you want.
  13. Your grades are all above average, well above average in some cases. What is your actual concern?
  14. Don't overthink this or read in some completely unmentioned negative purpose. If you're willing to work in that group, take the opportunity that's available. Especially if you like working with that lawyer! No matter how good or aligned with your interests the work is, there's no substitute for working for and with good people. Consider also that it is not a great market right now to be choosy in. As said elsewhere, discuss with your principle first. I imagine you'll get the same advice from them.
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