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NYCLawyer last won the day on August 13 2018

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  1. I think my conversion is correct then. You don’t need an A (or HH) to get an OCI job. You’re not guaranteed one but you definitely stand a chance. You are probably slightly above average and on grades alone have at least a 2/3 chance of getting an OCI job. But also you need to chill out. If you interview like someone who is freaking out about 2 Bs and the rest B+ your chances are revised to 1/3. If it makes you feel better I would revise your cohort’s chances even further downward and his chances at lasting very long at a firm even further. He’s a dick and/or a moron. Send in your application and chill tf out.
  2. Let’s all calm down and have some humility here. It’s 12:40 on Saturday night and we’re arguing on the internet about law jobs, so we’re all losers here. I’m several drinks and and may have got lost somewhere but is OP asking if s/he can get an OCI job with 2 Bs and the rest B+ from U of T? I’m old and went to U of T back when we had letter grades so I may be wrong about the conversion but if I’m right the answer is yes, you can. Everybody be cool! 😎
  3. The comparison point is tedious people in this thread who claim that any biglawyers are passionate or “genuinely interested” in what they do. That doesn’t exist. Yes, most law jobs are just a job. Law isn’t a passion project for most people. It’s just a job. Most jobs are just a job. I don’t judge - I’m a corporate lawyer. I’m glad I have a job.
  4. Levin hasn’t twisted anything. This is an incredibly stupid discussion. As I said upthread, if you walked around a biglaw firm and offered to to double everyone’s salary now and going forward but they had to agree never to touch a securities/M&A file ever again, over 98% of people in that firm would take the offer. That’s not true at a MAG office. That’s a difference. It doesn’t mean biglawyers have given up on life. But they do what they do for money in a way that lots of people in public interest jobs don’t. It’s not a passion job. It’s not a “calling” job. It’s just a job. Most jobs are just a job. I’ve known dozens (hundreds probably) of biglawyers in Canada and the US. I can’t think of anyone would wouldn’t agree. Most of us are very happy people.
  5. People leave biglaw to go to US attny offices all the time.
  6. Ha. Well yeah I wasn’t even including the people who leave biglaw for less money. I just meant if you make it more money it’s not even close.
  7. I agree he’s being snide. But it’s true that corporate lawyers are in the money business, not the passion business. That doesn’t mean they’re all “greedy” if by greedy you mean unethical and would do anything for money, but it does mean they do what they do to make money and if something else paid much better, things being equal, they’d do that. That’s not true of all lawyers but it’s true of corporate lawyers.
  8. Zero. Well, I think there’s one nerdy guy in tax who likes his job. So one. And nobody likes that guy - he’s weird. People work in biglaw for money. Walk around the halls of any biglaw firm and offer to double people’s compensation for a totally different job and similar lifestyle - with commensurate increases going forward - and uptake will be 100%. This applies to partners and associates. In a MAG office there are people who consciously chose to work for half the money they could have made elsewhere. People work in biglaw 100% to make money. That’s not a cynical observation it’s just a fact. I’ve never met any lawyer, ever, who would argue this point. It’s not a bad thing - most people do their job to make money. I don’t know why eeee is getting so much shit.
  9. Does everyone in your class year make the same amount of money? Relax for a while. You won’t be able to know who the best is until one of you starts making more than the rest.
  10. Whoever told you that is wrong. Punishments are based partly on consequences. Running over children in school zones should be avoided for exactly these reasons.
  11. Nobody is interested in corporate law. Your grades will be fine on their own. You’ll get some sense of firm culture when interviewing. You can research practice rankings on Chambers.
  12. I’m afraid you I don’t have any immediately useful thoughts other than getting a couple of A grades in 1L is not easy and you shouldn’t doubt your academic abilities too much. Obviously there are some kinks to be worked out — whether mental health or you’ve figured out certain kinds of evaluation but not others — but you have what it takes. There are probably some obstacles to be overcome to get where you want to be but you are not wasting your time.
  13. There’s nothing you can do about it at this stage. If you improve your grades 2L and you’re applying to articles then you may have an opportunity to explain why you did so much better 2L than 1L and your 1L grades should be discounted. But you have to do better first - nobody is going to simply assume you would have done better but for your emergency. I’m not sure whether that’s something I’d put in my cover letter for articling apps either - I’m agnostic about this - but that’s down the road anyway. The good news is I know people who improved their 2L grades and had great results.
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