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  1. beyondsection17

    Summer Student to Articling Student

    I think it was @Uriel who once said that a summer student at his firm almost burned down the building and still got hired back as an articling student.
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    LSO Future of Articling/LPP

    When I read that email from the Law Society yesterday about the future of licensing I was genuinely impressed at how little information they managed to convey in so many words.
  3. I have never worked in private practice. I articled for a government agency. I'm just saying that if you want to develop a skill, it takes a certain number of hours before you can become adept at that skill. Practicing law takes practice. And articling is the time when you know the least and the cost associated with failing is the lowest.
  4. Yeah this is a little weird. Articling is what you make of it. Most people (who want to be lawyers), from what I've seen, ramp up their efforts and try to do as much work as they can in articles, even if those hours aren't officially mandated by their employer. This is your year to learn and make mistakes with basically no consequences. Being a junior lawyer is much harder because there's no safety net.
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    Still no articling job.

    This was a red flag for me. I would say that corporate and personal injury are about as close to "opposite" areas of law as you can get. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but saying "oh I'm deciding between corporate law and litigation" was only semi-acceptable during the 2L OCI recruit, though not compelling. It's no longer just not compelling, but is now probably actively hurting your chances. If you are applying to a PI firm, if I were you, I would come up with a great story about how much you want to help injured people, and how passionate you are about this work, and how you're really interested in litigation and want to be on your feet as much as possible to advance your client's interest. I would tell the firm that I applied there because I heard about x case they did where they got their client x dollars, or the amazing results they had settling x file for x dollars. I would say that I've always been someone who fights for the underdog, and that's why I really want to make a career in PI. Etc. I don't know what you'd say to a corporate law firm because I don't work in that area. But there are a zillion personal injury firms out there and I'd be surprised if one of them wasn't willing to hire you if you give off the impression of being interested, competent and passionate. Now as a disclaimer I'm not advocating that you work for just ANY PI firm, as not all are created equal (I'm a member of the defence bar), but if you need articles, that's what I'd recommend that you do. Just my two cents.
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    2L Summer (2019) Recruit PFOs/ITCs

    I would echo this sentiment 100%. When I struck out after in-firms, I thought my career was over too. And to be fair, my career as an aspiring corporate lawyer who hated the idea of doing corporate law WAS over. Not getting a job that I felt like I was supposed to want forced me to consider the type of work I actually DID want to do. I'm now working in civil litigation, in a job I very much enjoy, living what I feel is a much more balanced life, getting to be in court all the time, and making basically the same amount of money as my peers on Bay St. I thank my lucky stars every day that the Bay St firms I interviewed with didn't want to hire me.
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    Articling: Getting Feedback / Approval from Lawyers on Work

    The basic rule that I followed as an articling student was that if the pleading or letter I was sending was in the lawyer's name, I would give it to the lawyer to review before sending it out. If it was in my own name (e.g. my own small claims files, letters on lawyers' files where I indicate early on that I'm an articling student helping the lawyer, and am not actually that lawyer), I would send it without getting it reviewed. These sorts of expectations will necessarily be office-specific, but that's a system that I found worked well. And for what it's worth, now that I'm a lawyer, I don't think I would want an articling student sending something out in my name without me reviewing it first. Hope that helps - good luck!
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    First trial tips?

    I'm not saying that you shouldn't be prepared and organized and polite, or that you should cause delays and be arrogant. I don't think I've ever said that. What I did say is that you shouldn't expect to lean on the Rules or use them to your advantage, and likewise, you shouldn't anticipate that your opponent will be expected to follow the Rules, or that they will be admonished for not following the Rules, regardless of whether they have counsel.
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    First trial tips?

    The other side of this pancake is that you shouldn't feel too upset regardless of what happens. Small Claims is basically kangaroo court; you can prepare, and you can be right at law, and you can still lose. It's not (necessarily) a reflection on you, and more a reflection on the nature of the fact scenario and small claims in general. The other good advice I got when I was articling is to run the trial as though you're preparing for an inevitable appeal. Get the evidence you need in, make sure your position is correct in law, and that way, if you get a wacky deputy judge who doesn't follow the law, you're all set to appeal (if that's what your client wants to do).
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    First trial tips?

    I've done a couple small claims trials, and IMHO, the most important thing to remember is that you cannot expect the court to give a shit about the rules of civil procedure or evidence. The Plaintiff isn't calling her treating doctors to testify and wants to just enter their records without you getting a chance to cross-examine them? Boom plaintiff wins! If you want to cross-examine someone, you have to put them under summons, regardless of the fact that it's the plaintiff's burden to prove his or her case. Other than that, I'd give the same advice that everyone else gave. Figure out what your theory of the case is, figure out what submissions you want to make, parse out what evidence you'll need to have in support of those submissions, and then draft your questions to elicit that evidence.
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    Upper Year Summaries?

    I'm a lawyer now and no longer have the link to the summary dropbox handy. I would recommend asking a current student.
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    Are lawyers still using typewriters?

    I figured the distinction these days was between "clerks" and "assistants". Though, I know there are some places which call all the support staff "legal assistants" regardless of the fact that they're all actually law clerks (much to their chagrin).
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    Are lawyers still using typewriters?

    We have a typewriter in our office. I've never personally seen it used, or heard of it being used, but they did just throw out the old typewriter in favour of a new(er) one, so obviously someone is using it for something.
  14. I wouldn't recommend using this tone in your application to Western Law.
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    1L Schedule

    Guys this topic is adorable. Also, bear in mind that we didn't have OTLATLS when I was in 1L, but how are you supposed to brief a case before starting law school? I find it hard to believe you'd be able to isolate the ratio or any comments in obiter when you're completely fresh to the concept.
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