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    Still no articling job.

    This was a red flag for me. I would say that corporate and personal injury are about as close to "opposite" areas of law as you can get. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but saying "oh I'm deciding between corporate law and litigation" was only semi-acceptable during the 2L OCI recruit, though not compelling. It's no longer just not compelling, but is now probably actively hurting your chances. If you are applying to a PI firm, if I were you, I would come up with a great story about how much you want to help injured people, and how passionate you are about this work, and how you're really interested in litigation and want to be on your feet as much as possible to advance your client's interest. I would tell the firm that I applied there because I heard about x case they did where they got their client x dollars, or the amazing results they had settling x file for x dollars. I would say that I've always been someone who fights for the underdog, and that's why I really want to make a career in PI. Etc. I don't know what you'd say to a corporate law firm because I don't work in that area. But there are a zillion personal injury firms out there and I'd be surprised if one of them wasn't willing to hire you if you give off the impression of being interested, competent and passionate. Now as a disclaimer I'm not advocating that you work for just ANY PI firm, as not all are created equal (I'm a member of the defence bar), but if you need articles, that's what I'd recommend that you do. Just my two cents.
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    2L Summer (2019) Recruit PFOs/ITCs

    I would echo this sentiment 100%. When I struck out after in-firms, I thought my career was over too. And to be fair, my career as an aspiring corporate lawyer who hated the idea of doing corporate law WAS over. Not getting a job that I felt like I was supposed to want forced me to consider the type of work I actually DID want to do. I'm now working in civil litigation, in a job I very much enjoy, living what I feel is a much more balanced life, getting to be in court all the time, and making basically the same amount of money as my peers on Bay St. I thank my lucky stars every day that the Bay St firms I interviewed with didn't want to hire me.
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    Articling: Getting Feedback / Approval from Lawyers on Work

    The basic rule that I followed as an articling student was that if the pleading or letter I was sending was in the lawyer's name, I would give it to the lawyer to review before sending it out. If it was in my own name (e.g. my own small claims files, letters on lawyers' files where I indicate early on that I'm an articling student helping the lawyer, and am not actually that lawyer), I would send it without getting it reviewed. These sorts of expectations will necessarily be office-specific, but that's a system that I found worked well. And for what it's worth, now that I'm a lawyer, I don't think I would want an articling student sending something out in my name without me reviewing it first. Hope that helps - good luck!
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    First trial tips?

    I'm not saying that you shouldn't be prepared and organized and polite, or that you should cause delays and be arrogant. I don't think I've ever said that. What I did say is that you shouldn't expect to lean on the Rules or use them to your advantage, and likewise, you shouldn't anticipate that your opponent will be expected to follow the Rules, or that they will be admonished for not following the Rules, regardless of whether they have counsel.
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    First trial tips?

    The other side of this pancake is that you shouldn't feel too upset regardless of what happens. Small Claims is basically kangaroo court; you can prepare, and you can be right at law, and you can still lose. It's not (necessarily) a reflection on you, and more a reflection on the nature of the fact scenario and small claims in general. The other good advice I got when I was articling is to run the trial as though you're preparing for an inevitable appeal. Get the evidence you need in, make sure your position is correct in law, and that way, if you get a wacky deputy judge who doesn't follow the law, you're all set to appeal (if that's what your client wants to do).
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    First trial tips?

    I've done a couple small claims trials, and IMHO, the most important thing to remember is that you cannot expect the court to give a shit about the rules of civil procedure or evidence. The Plaintiff isn't calling her treating doctors to testify and wants to just enter their records without you getting a chance to cross-examine them? Boom plaintiff wins! If you want to cross-examine someone, you have to put them under summons, regardless of the fact that it's the plaintiff's burden to prove his or her case. Other than that, I'd give the same advice that everyone else gave. Figure out what your theory of the case is, figure out what submissions you want to make, parse out what evidence you'll need to have in support of those submissions, and then draft your questions to elicit that evidence.
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    Upper Year Summaries?

    I'm a lawyer now and no longer have the link to the summary dropbox handy. I would recommend asking a current student.
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    Are lawyers still using typewriters?

    I figured the distinction these days was between "clerks" and "assistants". Though, I know there are some places which call all the support staff "legal assistants" regardless of the fact that they're all actually law clerks (much to their chagrin).
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    Are lawyers still using typewriters?

    We have a typewriter in our office. I've never personally seen it used, or heard of it being used, but they did just throw out the old typewriter in favour of a new(er) one, so obviously someone is using it for something.
  10. I wouldn't recommend using this tone in your application to Western Law.
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    1L Schedule

    Guys this topic is adorable. Also, bear in mind that we didn't have OTLATLS when I was in 1L, but how are you supposed to brief a case before starting law school? I find it hard to believe you'd be able to isolate the ratio or any comments in obiter when you're completely fresh to the concept.
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    Need Guidance: Articles Complete/ Bar Exams Incomplete?

    They'll allow you to work as an articling student on an extension past your 10 months under a "supervision agreement", but there's a stipulation that in most cases you can only do it for up to 4 months or until the next call to the bar. From the LSUC website:
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    Articling options under consideration

    In my opinion, articling is necessary. I do not believe the skills you learn in articling can be taught through online simulation, and I do not believe they can be adequately assessed by a multiple choice exam. I think it is valuable to have individual lawyers training other individual lawyers in the skills and values that (ought to be) associated with being a member of this profession. Personally, I would be all for an option that removes the LPP, returns to the articling-only framework, and that incentives firms to take on students by offering a waiver of the CPD requirements, discounted fees, or something of that sort. I recognize that I was privileged to have an articling position that actually prepared me for practice, and that not all articling positions are created equal, but I don't believe the baby ought to be thrown out with the bathwater.
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    Western vs Osgoode

    Oh. Wow. I didn't even notice that this discussion was purely academic. My bad. The Ultra Vires numbers don't indicate that Osgoode gives any advantage on Bay St as compared to Western. Also, Bernard works on Bay St. He's probably more familiar with Bay St hiring than any of us are.
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    Western vs Osgoode

    I would consider this point to be included in "Western is farther away from Toronto than Osgoode". Look, my post was not to suggest that you, yourself, went to the wrong law school. It was to provide my perspective, as a lawyer, for the OP. I went to Western, and work in Toronto. I did not find that the location of my law school mattered at all for hiring purposes. I work with some lawyers who went to Western, and others who went to Osgoode, and a number who went to other law schools in Ontario and across the country, and I am friends with a wide variety of lawyers across different practice areas who all graduated from different schools, and unsurprisingly, the law schools we all went to is a topic that rarely seems to come up. My whole point was that you'll be fine wherever you go. You'll also be fine even if you don't end up working on Bay St. Just follow your gut.
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