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homer last won the day on October 28 2016

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  1. My current practice: Real Estate -doing some closings, pay outs, 2nds, but currently running at about 40% capacity Litigationwise: -all my employment files (employee side) and real estate files involving litigation have come to a halt (haven't even cracked open the files since march) -I had one arbitration matter that I resolved (private arbitrations and mediations are still running) -some of my real estate files I was able to resolve because the market situation aligned the interests of the parties For the future: I'm focused on mortgage enforcement, but with the backlog of the courts, and the fact that Ontario courts won't open until July, I'm not sure that will pan out (especially if there is a 2nd outbreak and courts close again and extend limitation periods) Is anyone else considering moving to areas of law that do not rely on the courts? E.g. Mediation, arbitration, in house work, real estate, wills, tax, estate planning, etc. Even areas that seem lucrative (e.g PI, mortgage enforcement law, employment law, estate litigation) may not be if the courts don't find a way to operate. I'm sure bankruptcy and insolvency are going to be huge too, but don't they rely on courts (I have no idea)?
  2. Very common, especially for smaller firms. In my experience, salary positions are very difficult and a lot of firms are following this model.
  3. Read a ton of books/cases on the area of law your firm practices. If your experience is anything like mine, you will be running around, drafting, attending motions etc... so much and will kick yourself for not digging more in the substantive areas of law when you had some more free time. Contrary to popular belief, lawyers only read the law for a fraction of time. Most of the time, you are dealing with clients, answering e-mails, drafting, preparing materials, etc. If you are going into civ lit, really study the Rules and make sure you are comfortable with them. Keep a notepad where you put in random things that you figured out so you know what you're doing. E.g. Diff courthouses have diff policies for sending in a confirmation of motion. When you figure out what one courthouse does, make a note of it for next time. Also, textbooks for paralegals are a god send. They go through the more practical parts of lawyering. As an articling student, depending on the size of the firm, your duties may involve what paralegals do. Finally, like what everyone else said, study the precedents. Come in on a sat/sun and just follow the progression of previous files from the retainer until the end.
  4. I'll just throw a few pointers here. The legal market in Ontario sucks. Norther Ontario may be better but I don't think by much to be honest. I have friends who applied and didn't get a single call back at a ton of these firms...they also chose to hire lawyers with a connection up north or from the Lakehead class. Doc review pays great but does nothing to further your legal career. It's kind of used to supplement your income when you start your own practice, or something short term between looking for jobs. E.g. Deloitte separates their doc review lawyers from their actual firm (diff buildings). The doc review lawyers are independent contractors and do not do any legal work; many have their status as non-practicing lawyers and pay no insurance. Salary Position: If your husband wants to get into a firm that practices civ lit, he should apply and network like crazy. The market absolutely sucks so applying and networking should be treated as a 9-5 job. That said, most firms that are hiring are civ lit firms. 2 years of civ lit experience will help. These salary are the most sought after and hardest to get....I know Canadian grads in their 3rd year of call who still haven't gotten a salary job... For a position like this, it may be worthwhile to find a job in a smaller city like Thunder Bay, Hamilton, Barrie, etc... Eat what you kill: Many smaller firms (1 - 5 lawyers) can hire your husband right away if they like him for this role. They will provide the infrastructure (clerks, business cards, precedents, support) and a few files for him. Depending on the firm, they may offer a small salary and percentage points on files, or just a percentage. He wont make much in his first year but can make more later on or use the experience to transition to a salary position. For a position like this, it would be worthwhile to find a firm in the GTA or major city. All in all, your husband should be contacting lawyers all over the place and doing informational interviews. Like 10+ of these a month. That's how he will get a better feel of what firms are hiring for what roles.
  5. I wouldn't enter this field of law with a 10 foot pole to be honest. The grass is bad on both sides. Defence: -moving to hiring in-house (e.g. Aviva has their own Trial Lawyers Division and other Insurance Companies are moving in that direction) -PI Defence firms are getting squeezed out...insurance companies are demanding more work for less money, refusing to pay out claims or giving very small offers to settle, and putting pressure on litigating every claim. The result: firms are squeezing more work from associates for less money. -If you are cool with moving in-house, this is a great option Plaintif: -Firms that don't take files to trial (95% of PI firms) are getting squeezed out. They don't have the infrastructure or resources to litigate every file. You'll see a ton of these firms moving towards employment law and other areas. -Cars are getting safer. Car accidents that would lead to CAT files are now falling under the MIG b/c the injuries are not as bad. -Gone are the days where you can settle a bunch of files for coin early on. The law in this area recently became way more favourable to insurance companies and they are pushing hard on every file. Just getting anything under the SABS is like pulling teeth. -Also, don't expect to make good money until like 3 years. Remember, even though you have a decent file, it takes forever for the pay out. Counsel that are killing it have files paying out from years ago. The new ones they pick up now will not pay out nearly as much down the line. -However, the solid firms (e.g. Sokoloff) are absorbing files from the smaller firms and have a solid line up of Trial Lawyers. If you can get into a firm with a reputation for taking things to trial and doing a good job, you will make a killing now and in the future. It's a general consensus that PI isn't what it used to be and is dying. If you can get a few decent files, you can do okay for now on the Plaintiff side but it's going to be a tough 5 years ahead. Also, PI Defence in-house is starting to pick up and pay pretty well. Although, counsel has told me that this area is kind of dead end. There is no creativity involved; you are just denying, delaying and blocking all the time. Articling at a busy PI Plaintiff firm is fantastic for civ lit experience though. You will be in court 2-4 days a week and drafting like crazy. Just know that the field is dying:P Edit: I just reread you post and saw that you are working at a PI firm. Your observations are absolutely correct; many make the jump from defence to plaintiff because they see how much they are paying out on each claim. That said, it's kind of ALL about the files you bring in. If you have a solid pool of referrals, you can def kill it.
  6. Sean Robichaud, who runs a firm of approx 3 other associates said said the following: What salary can criminal lawyers expect in the first few years of practice? Between $30,000 and $70,000. And it doesn’t grow much for associates: they practice for a few years and become Crown attorneys, partners or sole practitioners. Does that sound accurate? Source: http://lawandstyle.ca/career/career-sean-robichaud/
  7. Big firms have a mix of legal aid and private clients, legal aid does pay well for bigger matters. I agree that some files need more then one lawyer, but that's rare. Even then, lawyers can and often do, partner with others. This often occurs in chambers. They also send each other work sometimes (e.g. they may offer a legal aid bail to a new lawyer like me in the chambers since it only pays very little). Also, if you need to have an adjournment or have something simple done in court, the CLA has a listserve where we just ask someone to adjourn something. Someone always answers. If we need specific questions answered, the listserve does that as well. I guess if someone knows first hand, I would love to get a ballpark on how much these lawyers make. In all honesty, I cant see these positions paying very much. The only reason I could see someone working at such a firm is for experience, bragging rights, or because they genuinely love criminal law and do not want to run a business.
  8. You get all this from a chambers (sans student).
  9. That's why I'm so curious about their salary. I might be green, but criminal defence work generally doesn't seem like the kind requiring multiple lawyers per file. I don't understand how much salary could be paid to a criminal defence associate, especially since they can get pretty much all the benefits providence mentioned from working in a chambers with other criminal lawyers.
  10. How much do they make? I'm talking about those criminal law firms with about 4 - 12 lawyers. I ask because as a new sole practitioner, I'm making a decent amount, but I don't know how I would pay an articling/summer student anytime soon. I can't even begin to imagine how I would pay an associate, unless I got a huge amount of private clients. One of my friends who is articling at one of these firms in Downtown Toronto is only getting 35K, about half what the MAG paid for articling. Also, even if you could hire an associate and pay him/her, why would they stay? Once a criminal lawyer knows what they are doing, they could make double on their own, and just partner with another lawyer for more complicated matters. Which begs the question again, what is their salary like?
  11. Hi All, I was wondering if anybody had an interview with the law society for a first year associate position. I would appreciate any and all PM's
  12. Say exactly this in open court: "Law Student, future QC." Also, end all your e-mails with this.
  13. Can you PM the info to me as well .
  14. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ontario-justice-hires-trial-lengths-1.3876204 Ontario will be hiring: -13 provincial judges will be appointed -32 more assistant Crown attorneys -16 duty counsel and 26 court staff This sounds like great news to me:). I would love to work a few years as an assistant Crown attorney? Can anyone working at the Ontario MAG give some more info on the assistant Crown attorney positions? I understand that there are generally three pools of applicants: 1: current/former MAG lawyers, 2 current/former MAG students, 3 everyone else. First they hire from pool 1, then 2 then 3. Are the assistant Crown attorney jobs the entry level for first year calls? Are these 1 - 2 year contract positions?
  15. Hegdis said it best: "EVERYONE agrees the foreign route is harder, takes longer, and costs more. NO ONE recommends it generally. Including those who have already done it. EVERYONE agrees that it's better to get a Canadian degree if you can. EVERYONE agrees that individual people who have resources and connections that will ease them into the Canadian job market may be the exceptions to this rule." If you think international rankings matter for a Canadian employer enough to have it affect your decision to go abroad, it may be a defence mechanism working to make you feel better. I'm not about to attack that. Cheers:)
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