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  1. In my experience you will probably start getting phone calls for interviews on Monday. It's possible some will go out today but only for standout candidates who put their application in early.
  2. Not practical advice RE: job hunt, but just a note that you can go onto EI while you search. Not sure if this will be sufficient to hold you over while you look but I'm sure any little bit helps.
  3. Also not required when arguing motions in the Federal Court.
  4. Yeah, like @TKNumber3 said - I am hesitant to say "never", however, in the hard sciences (biochem, organic, immunology etc.) I have not met a prosecutor who does not have a PhD. Engineering is another thing - I have met some who graduated with an engineering degree, worked in the industry for some time and then came to law/prosecution. To date, every job posting I've seen for a hard science prosecution position also requires a PhD. Still, it would technically be possible to be hired on as a prosecutor if you get hired on at a firm as an IP student and they throw you some prosecution work and you excel at it. Even if you have "only" a B.Sc it is very likely that you will be asked to help out with some prosecution work. Also, I caution your statement "should probably forget about prosecution and focus on litigation" -- if you are at a firm as an IP student it is most likely that they will ask you to do it all. Don't turn down prosecution work just because you think you have a better shot at a litigation hire. As a student you are expected to do it all, and to do it all with enthusiasm. If you start turning down work it will look poorly on you over all. What you can do is poke your head into some of the litigation partner's offices and let them know you are interested in litigation and you'd be happy to help them with any work they might have for you.
  5. Well - thanks. I was waiting for a "but" at the end of that sentence but was happy not to find one ;)
  6. You're right - it is a gamble. I'll use my own experience to illustrate. Straight from my law school applications I had only one goal in mind - practice IP. Now, IP isn't really as "niche" as what you're talking about but I soon discovered that it is actually pretty niche. I did everything I could to get into the game. I landed summer gigs, all of my extra-curricular/law school jobs related to the practice. I articled in IP. Now. There were about 3 months when I was looking for a gig as 1st year associate that I sorely regretted being so IP focused. It was way easier for me to land a job in a more broad area of practice (commercial, insurance, real estate, wills etc.) and now that I was out on the other side of articles, it just seemed that getting a job in the "niche" area of practice I had chosen for myself was going to be impossible. Luckily the universe aligned and I basically landed my dream job doing exactly what I want to do. But there were a couple of stressful months there where I was trying (unsuccessfully) to pitch myself to firms looking for associates in more general areas of practice. I was beating my head against the wall asking "why did I put all of my energy/focus into IP???" It's a gamble I took and it paid off - but if I had to do it again I would hedge my bets.
  7. Welcome to the rest of your profession. You're always waiting for something big. Instructions from a client, evidence, reports, a decision etc. The best advice I can give is only stress about outcomes you can actually have an effect on in that moment. If it's after submissions and we're waiting for a decision, then there is no point in stressing about it because what can you do? If I'm in the middle of drafting a factum, then I welcome the stress because it propels me to be more focused and motivated to write it well. Stress can (sometimes) be a good thing if it's in a manageable amount that isn't overwhelming. To be honest, I get worried if I'm not stressed out in certain situations because it means I'm not recognizing the importance of the work, or the consequences of doing a poor job. For your specific question - the answer is just focus on what you can do in the moment - focus on your studies, your relationships and garnering more experience in law school in the interim. The OCI decisions will come soon enough and then you'll know how the chips are falling - right now there is nothing else you can do to help the outcome of that result.
  8. Yeah, I hear you. In my mind I was making the lawyer analogy you made. Every time I've seen a partner switch firms they are precluded from taking associates with them via their partnership agreement. Instead they leave it up to the associate to apply to their new firm. I was thinking of that kind of scenario where the assistant applies (wink wink, nudge nudge) to the new spot. It's their choice to apply and leave their old firm and their success and value should not preclude them from the opportunity.
  9. Your assistant has a mind of her own. Tell her that there will be an opening for a new assistant at your new gig working with you and that, if she chooses, she is welcome to apply. If she is as great as you say she is then she shouldn't have difficulty landing that job for herself - unless of course you stand in the way because of reasons entirely unrelated to her lack of competency. If she actually wants to move, don't let how good she is be a factor that works against her in making that choice.
  10. I always wore a blazer. It was completely unnecessary but I felt good. Also, lots of firms sponsor various events so when you run into recruiters/lawyers you can introduce yourself confidently. (Caveat, I'm naturally more comfortable in a suit/blazer I wore a dress jacket almost every day in law school).
  11. A good research memo will be good so long as you clear it with the firm that you did the work for and properly redact the work product (I know my firm has given permission to past articling students to do this). Otherwise I agree with @TKNumber3. You could even just write a memo on a topic that you're interested in and submit that. In my experience you develop your research/writing a lot throughout articles so I wouldn't use anything from law school unless you sit down and put a lot of work into updating it.
  12. As an anecdote I have a friend who applied to both the Calgary and Toronto offices of a National firm. He got an interview in Calgary, but not in Toronto. He was asked about it during the interview and responded as follows "I am very attracted to this firm because of x, y and z but, because it's such a great firm, I know that it is really competitive to land a 2L spot here. I wanted to increase my chances of a hire and the best way to do that was to apply to two offices." He was hired. Sometimes the honest answer is the best answer.
  13. There are 1L IP positions in both Toronto and Ottawa but, there tend to be many more spots in Ottawa. For example, full service firms in Ottawa participate specifically in the IP recruit and they hire between 2-4 1Ls. To my knowledge, full service firms in Toronto do not specifically hire 1L IP students (I could be wrong on that though, perhaps someone else on here could elucidate). The 1L IP hiring in Toronto tends to be from IP boutiques (such as Bereskin Parr, Smart & Biggar and Ridout & Maybee). Given the small number of spots in Toronto for the 1L recruit, getting a position can be very difficult and if your goal is to crack into the field then it's advisable to capitalize your chances and also apply to Ottawa. The caveat being that the Ottawa recruit happens before the Toronto recruit. If you don't apply to Ottawa and put all of your "eggs" in the Toronto basket then you really could be up the creek (I know several colleagues who did that and regretted it in the end). All of that being said, remember, if you apply to Ottawa firms they want to hear how much you love Ottawa and that you are willing to build your career in the city. Once you get through your summers and your articles and even if you accept an associate position there, you can always canvass for opportunities in Toronto firms for a lateral. IP experience is IP experience - if you are getting it at a top tier boutique or a National/International full service, it's pretty easy to lateral. It's difficult to break into because it is a small bar. It's also difficult to break into because many positions require the requisite background and not a lot of law students come from a hard science background (even fewer have grad degrees in those areas). I caution that grad degrees are not required, it's just more likely that you will get an interview if you have one. Finally, if you are a new call applying to IP spots and you don't have any IP experience from your summering/articles and you have no demonstrated knowledge in the relevant legislation - well, no one is going to look at you. Unfortunately, even when you get to the new call stage, you have to have some experience, so, if you strike out in the 1L IP recruit or landing a 2L or articling IP spot, it can be very difficult for you to get hired in an IP position after law school. Only if you want to prosecute patents. Some places are old school and still make their litigators get it (as a "right" of passage), but most places won't make you do it anymore.
  14. In the IP sphere I've heard that this is the target of a couple of boutiques on Bay. I'm not sure whether that's also true for other firms (full service or boutique) on Bay. Yeah, they avoid that all together by not having a billable target (to all of you non-lawyers out there do not be fooled - this tactic results in the antithesis of a "lifestyle" firm lol)
  15. Definitely not. Average billable rate on Bay for a junior associate (i.e. a first year) is somewhere between $300-$370 Targets are usually between 1500 ("lifestyle firms") and 1900hrs per year. Even on the lower end that would be $450K billed per year (at $300/hr for 1500 hrs). First year associate salary on Bay is usually between $100K-$110K (not everyone followed the McCarthy's increase). So, on the lower end it adds up to about 25%. On the higher end ($370/hr for 1900) it's 15%. And remember - many associates bill over target, and most bonuses cap out at 30% of your base salary so that percentage can tend to get smaller and smaller as you bill more (*sniffle - us Bay street lawyers are just so hard done by...)
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