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    How much do 3L grades matter

    Just a caveat, Perhaps its different across fields of practice - but in my field 3rd year associates are VERY sought after. It's almost like every posting out there is for a 2-4 year. That's because (as I have already stated in my previous post) normally by that stage you do have something to show. You have valuable experience - you can draft pleadings, reports and scripts. You've argued some motions, you've got a couple of appearances under your belt etc. At least, in my field, it is nothing like applying for an OCI.
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    How much do 3L grades matter

    This is wrong. If you are lateraling as a 3rd year the most important thing is your experience. What kind of cases have you been on? How is your trial experience? How many appearances have you made? How many motions have you argued etc. (Obviously purely from a litigation perspective but you get the gist). As a third year firms want to know that they can give you a task and you already know what to do.You already know how to draft expert reports, prepare for discovery and draft cross-examination scripts. They can tell you "I need you to file letters rogatory" and you know what that is and where to start. The grades may tangentially come into consideration, but if you are working as an associate at a top firm and you have a great reputation no one is going to care that you got a C in advanced constitutional law. Not being hired back and applying from scratch as a first year is a different matter entirely - there grades are a little more emphasized, but even then firms tend to look at your summer/articling experience and the work you did in law school (did you work on cases with clinics? did you moot? how else did you demonstrate your interest in the practice area etc.).
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    Advice: Practicality of Juggling Part-time Job with 1L

    If it were me, I'd take it and commit to 8-10 hours a week to start and then build (or cut) from there.
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    Without family money, can you afford to buy a home?

    I know for us it's two fold 1. I begrudge paying down someone else's mortgage and contributing to their investment as opposed to my own. When we rent it feels like we're just throwing our money away. 2. Having a sense of permanency. The idea that a landlord can't sell our house and evict us is appealing (this isn't an unrealistic fear - it tends to happen a lot in Toronto).
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    Without family money, can you afford to buy a home?

    This is not true for almost every 3-6 year call I know in Toronto (and impossible before 3 year call). As mentioned the issue is the down payment. The prices are rising more quickly than we can save. The majority of family-type houses (i.e. not a condo) are going for close to $1M or over $1M. As soon as you cross the $1M threshold, even as a first time home buyer, you enter 20% down territory. Very few lawyers with several years experience have $200K+ to use as a down payment (and you need lawyer fees, real-estate commission, land transfer tax etc. in addition to that). Working on Bay has many advantages - but owning a home isn't one of them.
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    Key Facts to Know

    I've gone on and on in these forums about my love for the Ottawa U law school (you can probably just search out opinions there). Suffice to say it is a great law school - full stop. The opportunities there are incredible and if you take full advantage of them you will be set. The city is also wonderful (albeit, it can get pretty cold in the winter). Rent is cheaper than Toronto, the foodie environment is astonishingly good, a lot of great pubs and live bands. The best way I can think to describe it is a really good hipster scene. The city is just "comfortable" - it's not really uptight (although it can be if you're attending a dinner at the Rideau Club), but mostly just a nice relaxed vibe that doesn't hurt your pocket book too much.
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    What courses are good to take before the bar?

    When I was in law school I went in saying that I wasn't going to restrict my courses to "bar heavy" subjects and I was just going to go in and take classes that interested me. My reasoning was that I already knew I was gunning for an IP spot (by second year I already had an articling spot working in that area) so, this would be the last chance I had at taking anything I wanted. However, somewhere between 1L and 2L I decided that I was actually quite interested in black-letter law so my "interest" courses turned out to be "bar" courses. I get that you shouldn't go in with the prerogative to focus on bar courses, but I have to tell you that it really helped me when it came time to study for the bar. Leading up to my bar exams some events happened in my personal life that kind of put me in a studying pickle (so much so that my firm recommended I delay writing until November). I decided that I really did not like the idea of trying to article and study at the same time so, I gave it a go anyways (fully expecting that I'd probably have to re-write). Turns out I passed both on the first try and I truly believe that if I hadn't taken the usual requisite bar/solicitor courses that wouldn't have happened. Also, as @Malicious Prosecutor points out - learning these areas of law really are useful. It's good to know how a will is drafted or what's important when conducting a real estate transaction. So, all of that to say I would recommend Wills and Estates, Real Estate, Family, Tax and Securities (to take as "extra courses") and Criminal, Civil Procedure, Business Law, Admin and Constitutional should already be mandatory at your school (if they aren't then make sure you take those too).
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    Tips on "getting into" Intellectual Property law

    The higher your degree the more attractive you are to firms (see my original post about why this is). Generally speaking the "higher degree" factor is really only helpful in getting you in the door (i.e. your first interview), after that it's almost a non-factor (unless the firm is specifically looking for a patent prosecutor in a specific scientific area). For engineering I've almost never seen a striation between B. Eng, P. Eng or PhD in engineering. If they want an engineer the B. Eng is sufficient. Graham Reynolds is awesome btw - he would be great to learn from and if you go to UBC try to connect with him and see if he needs an RA.
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    Tips on "getting into" Intellectual Property law

    Best practice is to go to school where you want to practice (that's not just for IP that's for every area). However, most large IP markets (Vancouver, Calgary, Ottawa and Toronto), recruit Nation wide. My only real experience is in Ottawa and Toronto. Firms in Ottawa really care that you want to stay there. Usually an indicator of this is if you go to school in Ottawa. As a result about 50% of IP students in Ottawa also go to Ottawa U. For the remainder (i.e. students who are attending schools outside of the region), many of them will boast of a "connection" to the city (their partners, their families, they did their undergrad there etc.). For the ones who don't have a connection, firms really just want to hear them say "I love the city, I want to start my life here". In Toronto - the firms don't care. It's expected that you want to be here because it's Toronto. They recruit far and wide and if you're the best candidate they will hire you full stop.
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    Tips on "getting into" Intellectual Property law

    UBC has a great IP program - they have done very well at the Oxford IP moot the past couple of years and many of their graduates are practicing IP on Bay street. Other schools that come to mind are Osgoode, Western, UofT, Windsor (and of course the best of all) - Ottawa U (I say that as a very proud alumnus). Oh, I can't forget UNB (often over-looked) but Prof. Norman Siebrasse is there and he is basically an IP God (who is regularly cited by the SCC). The trick isn't always going to an "IP" school per se but instead its important to employers that their candidates have a demonstrated interest in IP. This is easier to do at schools that offer a variety of IP courses, have IP clinics, participate in IP moots and have IP RA positions (the schools named above all have these kinds of opportunities).
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    Are You Happy With Your Income?

    Agreed - it's so terrible once they turn 2 and you have to buy them a plane ticket... serious barrier to our vacation game.
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    How subjective are law school exams?

    Yeah I'm not sure why but a lot of my Profs (particularly in 1L) at Ottawa U used some (or all) multiple choice on their exams (Prof. de Beer, Kerr and Mayeda to name a few). I'm sure it's less common than my experience dictates.
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    How subjective are law school exams?

    This prof (in my opinion one of the best I ever had in law school) puts up his exams and answer key evey year. This should give you an idea of what law school exams can be like. Generally they have a few multiple choice followeed but some fact pattern type questions. In my experience every prof has a very detailed rubric for the answers which kind of takes the "subjectively" out of the marking equation (either you got the point or you didn't). http://jeremydebeer.ca/about/teaching/property/evaluation/exam/
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    Ottawa or Osgoode?

    High 7s - for reference at Ottawa that's a high B+. 6 = B 7= B+ 8=A- 9=A 10=A+
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    First year Toronto Salary (non-Bay)

    I have no idea - in my field if you're in Toronto, regardless of whether you're on or off Bay, the firm will typically pay Bay street rates (because the billing rate is typically the same regardless of location so long as its a "Toronto" firm). My understanding is that is not the case for civil litigation firms and I defer to my colleagues on this forum who have more experience in that area.
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