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  1. Unlikely. I'm studying for the bar and have no idea what it is.
  2. Sorry, I don't know. Some of the more senior members of the forum who have insight into/involvement in their firm's hiring process may be able to chime in.
  3. Good points in here, but I'll one more point: I was in very similar circumstances to OP a few years ago, will be clerking, and have since become more interested in the idea of barrister/litigation work. Point being, you just finished 1L and your interests may change, especially if you haven't actually experienced much solicitor/transactional work to this point.
  4. Yes. Worst case you get experience in the job search/application/interview process. Tell them why to hire you; leave the decision to not hire you to them.
  5. Very interesting. Pretty much an open letter to the SCC saying it's probably time for the next Dunsmuir and here's what I want you to fix.
  6. Oh, interesting. So different timing, same result. I was picturing something stronger (i.e. a court that wouldn't release you for a SCC offer) after reading of someone being "disabused of that misconception"...
  7. My mistake, then. I didn't do the SCC process, but figured that since lower courts (or, in light of joeyman's post, at least most of them) wait until the SCC is done before making their own offers, they wouldn't bother beginning interviews until the SCC had at least started that stage. Not sure what your basis is for saying lower courts don't all wait for the SCC to be done. I was told this directly by an appellate and trial level court last year, and they indicated this was the case across the country. I can't really imagine a court telling the SCC "no" on this...
  8. If lower courts have started, the SCC has as well. Lower courts (i.e. non-SCC courts) don't make any offers until the SCC is done.
  9. OK so - just to be clear - I should go around recruiting events negging all the lawyers?
  10. Look up Ultra Vires from U of T. They do a piece on the OCI recruit in Toronto each year. From what I heard, Dal had a similar number as Ottawa (despite having fewer students and a student body from across the country). I haven't actually looked at it though so check it to make sure the numbers are true. I can say Dal definitely doesn't have a *worse* reputation than Ottawa, but I'll leave any comments beyond that to people who actually work in Toronto firms. I wasn't interested in the Toronto market, but the people I know who interviewed in Toronto did very well. The majority of them got jobs there or in another major market they were also interviewing (often Calgary). This is completely anecdotal though so take it with a grain (or lots) of salt. My impression: a number of firms like to hire a few Dal grads (maybe because they went there and it almost becomes a self-fulfilling thing) and you have significantly reduced competition at your own school because maybe 20% of the class is from Ontario (although, of course, people from other places will also be interested in Toronto). Edit: http://ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/UV_Nov2015_onlinespecial.pdf So looks like Dal and Ottawa placed similar % of students, so that already accounts for more students at Ottawa. The point re a smaller proportion of students wanting to go there stands.
  11. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. The closest equivalent types of jobs in Halifax (say MC or SM) pay about that supposed "average" to the first year associate... And the demands on your time (although still very high), would be lower than Bay St. As a 6th year in those jobs, the numbers would be much more reasonable when compared to Toronto and Vancouver. Don't get me wrong--they'd be lower than equivalent firms in Vancouver on average. But obviously then you have to take into account cost of living, cost of buying a house (particularly one anywhere near work), lifestyle, etc.
  12. I agree with the overarching theme behind your post, but I don't agree with this specific part, so figure I'd chime in for anyone interested in the program. First of, however, I'll just say I personally don't see the appeal of it (what's the rush?). It's absolutely not for most people. However, I disagree that it's a gimmick. First, it's not a "no one else is offering it"; it's Queen's Commerce's version of what the Ivey poster is doing (from what I gather from his/her posts). Second, the program itself is highly regarded and has an extremely competitive application process (acceptance used to be like 10%, with people knowing you needed top grades to get considered), so they're not hurting for top tier candidates (although, looking back, that concept is kind of laughable when talking about high school students). Third, it's not something you get into at the outset -- as posted in this thread, you have to be in the program itself, and then you can apply during third year (not an unreasonable time for people to seriously be thinking about law school). Fourth, we're talking just a few spots each year. I knew a couple people who went through the program (before this new option) who had known forever they would be going to law school. Seems crazy to me, but they did. Those people *do* exist. All three of the ones I'm thinking of did exactly that and are working on Bay St now. Given the cost these days, if you're one of those few people who *knows*, it's perfectly reasonable to trim a whole year off your undergrad if you're going that way anyway. You have to keep in mind that a year in this undergrad program costs as much as a year at many law schools (first year is currently $16k). Anyway... my 2 cents
  13. To be fair, while what you say is true, I'm not sure the original advice (read in full) was actually to "avoid hard and challenging work", but instead to avoid classes where profs are known to cap grades or keep a low average. I think there's an important difference there, and the latter is a perfectly valid consideration. For example, there was a course in my undergrad (fairly small program) that was notorious. If you got in the 70%'s, you were probably top of the class. Taking that course was a pride thing, but it also didn't tend to "hurt" those in it because they were all aiming to work in a local industry where people (typically alumni) were familiar with the course. But obviously that didn't hold true if you were applying outside of that industry--to law school, for example, where all they see is a low mark on your transcript. Similarly, I've heard (anecdotally) of courses where it's really hard to do poorly, but no one gets an A. Anyway, point being, if you're not an all-star, shoo-in candidate, there's no shame in being strategic in your course selection. I can tell you no doubt others are doing it. I did it after realizing I needed to ace the rest of my of my degree to get in, and I've had zero trouble at law school.
  14. I agree with the above and your hostility is unwarranted. In any case, I'll give a stab at your questions. Re how to express that interest: You just write that you're interested in it, and either why you're interested and/or how you intend to explore that interest. Say what areas you already have experience in (from a course or from work). Then say something to the effect that you're also interested in [iP] and look forward to developing that interest more when taking the course next year. In terms of speaking to clerks, if/when you get invited to do an interview with a judge, I'd suggest you ask to speak directly with their clerk about his or her experience. You'll get some insights into what the job actually is and what it's like working with that judge. There's a good chance the clerk will also join the judge in the interview. Also, FYI if you go to FC you'll likely be doing mostly immigration/refugee work (many seem to be unaware of this).
  15. You've already got the gist from other answers, but in case it helps you stop worrying about it over the holidays: I did exactly this on a first year exam and ended up with an 'A' anyway.
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