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  1. You might find some input in this thread, but for myself, I'm certainly not qualified to answer this question. You'll probably get a better answer searching the "chances" threads, or posting your own. Good luck!
  2. I took neither and found Estates difficult, while Real Estate was remarkably easy (and I also finished the second half with about 40 minutes to spare). However, the different versions of the exam seem to have some variation in questions beyond just the order, so it may be that I (or you and I) lucked out with our Real Estate questions.
  3. I think overnight rooms might send the wrong message (my firm certainly has none), but many firms have a shower room, often used by people cycling in.
  4. I think it just comes down to doing what works. I actually feel worse working out later on, so I go first thing in the morning even on days off.
  5. This is exactly what I did last summer, and what I plan to keep doing in August when I start articling. Enough of my coworkers went for the midday or evening workout, but I just feel better going in the morning.
  6. The 3Ls make fun of TheLawStudents' class (1Ls) for being intense, but I think that's pretty standard 3L-1L relations. Really what TLS said is spot on. It's not competitive like how people imagine it. Don't misunderstand, law school is inherently competitive, but even in 1L before exams people were happy to share notes, summaries, maps, etc. Personally, there's nothing I'd like more than for everyone to enjoy wild success, and so I do what I can to help others. I think just about everyone else feels the same way, because I see the same out of most other people in the school. As for Blackboard stuff, in my 1L year a few of my profs used slides, but they weren't like undergrad, you'd still need to attend or have notes. That being said, there are upper year summaries for every class (other than those with brand new profs), and briefs for just about every case you'd ever come across, so it's easy to find supplementary notes.
  7. I think pzabbythesecond generally spot on for most people's preferences, and I agree that transit is terrible making 20-30min a reasonable upper limit for walking. In the end, it really depends more on what you want in terms of commute, and also what you like doing. If you like studying at home, maybe live closer. If you don't mind grinding out most days on campus (which was my 1L), then it doesn't matter as much. Pack a bag and settle in. If you like having cool restaurants and bars around, then Kensington and the Annex are fantastic, or Little Italy (though that's pushing the 30min a bit). I haven't quite lived all over, but I've lived about 30 min (walking) east, west, and south of campus at various times, so I'm happy to help narrow it down if you can provide a bit more detail about your wants/needs.
  8. I hope the other comments have talked you out of this mindset, but just in case... If it helps, my undergrad marks were atrocious, and not just my first year. I know many people say that, so let me put it in perspective for you: when I posted in accepted threads here with my stats a few years ago, people didn't believe me that I'd gotten in anywhere (my LSAT was good, but not stellar). My 1L marks were above average (though also not stellar) and, despite including my undergrad transcript, I still did extremely well in the OCI process.
  9. I worked on Bay St last summer and will be back in August, and I biked every day and plan to do it again. It was all downhill but still way too hot (I'm one of those prone to sweat people). I'd leave a couple of suits (and shoes) in my office and just bike down in shorts and a t-shirt with a folded dress shirt in my bag. The odd times I wanted to bring a suit either way I'd either walk/transit, or bike with a suit bag. I used my own bike, which was mostly fine, but JAGGERS is right about a bikeshare for those odd nights you just don't want to be bothered with your bike (and I wouldn't want to leave it overnight outside, even by my office).
  10. I agree 100% with Ambit's thoughts on exams, but thought I'd add some nuance to #2... Straight Ps is a bad transcript, there are no two ways around it. However, and while I say it to qualify or support my positions as well, you have to be careful with "I know people who..." As it happens, I know a number of people working in big law in Toronto (including people in Ambit's class and including at least one of Ambit's example firms) who had all Ps or all Ps and only one H. They are exceptions, and I don't want to create false hopes or expectations, but it's worth mentioning nonetheless. The important thing is that no matter the odds, you won't skate in on a P-filled transcript. Every one of those people I mentioned has a very unique background (work/employment or otherwise) and/or did what I suggested above (which is why I suggest it, not because I suggested it to them!). Also remember that if you get yourself to the OCI stage, all bets are off, so you really need to focus on that first hurdle.
  11. 1. There's no magic bullet, but I'm a firm believer that *how* you answer exam questions is almost as important as what you say. Structure is really important because it demonstrates to the prof that you actually conceptually understand what's going on, and aren't throwing everything at the wall. Even if you don't fill in your whole outline (e.g. you've outlined aspects of a breach of contract remedy, but didn't get to all of them) you can still do well. Every prof will be different, so the best thing you can do is look at their past exams, and get your hands on past exam answers (they used to be with the librarians downstairs in Birge, I imagine they're in Bora now) in order to see what sorts of things they value in an answer. 2. The recruitment process from the student perspective is a bit of a black box. Like TheLawStudent said, people with all Ps do get Bay St jobs, but call it what it is: uncommon. The more grade-focused of the firms (you probably know which I mean) are almost certainly out. The rest it really depends. I also think it's reasonably fair to point out that "Bay St" and "Sisters or Equivalent" are not exactly the same thing. When people talk about "Bay St" firms, it's usually full service firms (which speaks to your EC point- what did you have in mind? Most of these firms do everything, so a laser focus at the student stage risks making you look disingenuous) The best piece of advice I think I can give, but I'm absolutely not any kind of authority, is to network the hell out of it. Go to every open house (check on utlawcareers throughout the spring and summer for dates and registration, but don't count on that alone, check the student sections of firm websites if you don't see them on UTLC). Talk to the recruiter (just talk, you're not there to get hired), but also to lawyers. Find someone at an open house who does something interesting or that you're interested in, chat, email them later and go for coffee. If you're friends with an upper year summering at a firm you're interested in, ask them to give you a tour and introduce you to people (including the recruiter). Everyone involved in the whole process is super helpful. Get in touch and they're almost always happy to chat, and if you keep in touch they'll remember. I think what you'll find if you do that is that not only will the firms get to know and like you (assuming you're a decent and decently interesting person), but you'll start to get a much better sense of what you actually want. Those two things will put you significantly ahead of the game as far as P transcripts go. The second best piece of advice in my mind is to be interesting! Put some cool hobbies and interests on your resume. Remember that your application (cover letter, resume, transcript) should be designed to make the person reading say, "I want to meet this person!" If it doesn't, they'll probably move on to the next one. Beyond that, I think TLS's 70% number is a bit high for the 2L recruit (even counting the other cities), but maybe not significantly so. Also, 55% of each class get Ps, I'd wager significantly fewer than 55% of all students get all Ps.
  12. My first year I got nothing, due to a combination of having earned a fair bit that year, and my spouse's earnings. Fun fact: no matter hold you are, they will consider your parents income (to a lessening degree as you age, but still). In my second year I received what I thought was a generous $10k or so. I'd earned very little over the previous summer, with no spousal income. Some friends got a fair bit more despite what I thought were similar circumstances, which I can't speak to, but some also got less. Third year I actually got a bit more, about $12k, which was a surprise given my living on Bay St. In any event, contrary to what people say (and what might've been the case in the past), you don't necessarily get less in your later years. It sounds more generous than it feels. On your financial aid form you check a box for being from out of Ontario, and fill in how much a round trip ticket costs, up to $1000 (I swear it was 1100 before...) within reason. So basically one trip is covered, for me. Edit to add that the financial aid folk are among the most accommodating, understanding people in the law school. I have my cynical thoughts on the admin, but none of them about the Financial Aid team. They are amazing and incredibly helpful.
  13. Hey Everyone! Given the recent admin post about AMA threads, I thought I'd toss one in here in case it can help anyone. I'm a 3L, originally from out west, and I've been involved in about as much school stuff as a person can be. I got a Bay St job in the 2L recruit, but I've been involved in public interest stuff as well, so hopefully I can address a range of job questions as well. Happy to answer questions about pretty much anything. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not make your question public. AMAA!
  14. You're probably way better off posting in the FB groups than here.
  15. I'll give you my perspective as 3L who went in with a pretty mediocre GPA (in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if I have the lowest cGPA of the "regular" admits of my year). Though with the exception of their thoughts on what correlates with law school grades, I agree with pretty well everything TheLawStudent said. I didn't do all of the readings, I didn't always attend class, and I continue to find that neither of those things is a requirement for doing well in law school. I and many others did great (and continue to do great) on the strength of the upper year summaries we used, and just figuring out how to write the exams. My experience is that how you write papers and exams is far more important than whether you attend every class or stay on top of the readings. Whether getting all Ps is a big deal depends on the job. I have some classmates who are on Bay St after getting mostly or all Ps, they're fewer, but they do exist. If you want something more niche then it is probably (though not necessarily) a different story. As to your concerns: I think you'd be surprised who does and doesn't "give it their all," and how poorly that correlates with success anyways. Sure, the 4.0/175'ers are a smart bunch, there are no two ways around it, but if they don't know how to write an exam, or they just get distracted/busy/whatever, you'll do better. Welcome to the world of 100% exams. That being said, you don't want corporate or even necessarily big law, so your goals may mandate a much more...effortful approach. Want to clerk at the ONCA or SCC? Then yes, give it your all, all of the time. UofT is unequivocally the best choice to get into big law (see Exhibit A). Whether it's worth it for you comes down to more factors than are worth listing, particularly without knowing exactly what kind of job you want (or at least think you want- many people change their minds). Finances, city preferences, job markets all play a substantial role. My feeling is that your physical proximity to employers is a huge plus in favour of UofT for almost anyone who wants to work (in any capacity) in Toronto, but it's by no means a dealbreaker. Feel free to shoot me a PM if you want to chat
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