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  1. I’m not sure what the IPC is, but I’m assuming something like the LPP, and I’m a big fan of the LPP as a competence training program over articling. An important part of being properly trained is having a breadth of experience drafting various documents and participating in other common events like client meetings, hearings, calls with opposing counsel etc. That breadth of training is not truly regulated into articling and I would guess that many articling students don’t get sufficient training to be competent to go out on their own. In contrast, the LPP can specifically target all of the core competencies to be able to practice, and that’s its actual goal. I’ve articled and spent the first few years of my career on bay, so I’ve seen what incredible training during articling looks like. And, I think it’s probably way better than the LPP for preparing for being an associate in a law firm, but I’m not sure whether or not it’s better for training the lawyers we should really be worried about - the ones who are then immediately going out on their own. Actually, I really suspect it isn’t. If the IPC is, like the LPP, targeted for specific competencies, especially those required as a sole, I’ll feel better with the Ryerson students doing that than the likely low level articling positions that most of them would otherwise be able to obtain.
  2. I’ll clarify my above post to say that grades really do matter a lot less as you go. In some cases they probably don’t end up mattering at all. But if you look at the postings in the Ontario Reports and on LinkedIn, Toronto firms are still requesting transcripts for mid-senior associates. Maybe they look closely at them, maybe they don’t, but they do request them and I know some firms are still very strict on grades years into practice. In my experience, at my firm, we do request transcripts for experienced laterals, but I’ve never heard them come up in interviews or deliberations, unless someone was very well decorated academically, in which case they would be given pretty significant preference.
  3. All of the big firms and most of the mid-size firms in Toronto, as well as any small firms with particularly good reputations will ask for transcripts. However, the weight it will be afforded exponentially diminishes as you practise. But, do keep in mind, big firms will generally consider grades for even mid-level and senior associates.
  4. There are lots of good assistants on the market. Connections with senior lawyers are way more important to business development. I wouldn’t burn bridges to avoid the hassle of interviewing new assistants.
  5. If I were comparing downtown Kingston (student “village” and Princess area, including the area just NOP, which is quite convenient) to a Toronto neighbourhood, it would be little Italy. About the same sort of residential housing options (low rises and converted houses) and strip of lively and quaint businesses mixed together. I’d say it’s also the same level of safe, which is very safe. You still do get your sketchies moving through, no doubt - but the race of the people after your bottles is different - It’s quite nice to leave those bottles separately so they don’t have to sort through the trash.
  6. Yeah this is what I was gonna say. Prepare your client with a settlement strategy and your main submissions in support of the amounts you’re offering (or asking for), but the main goal should be to not leave empty-handed. Your client will appreciate your efforts if you don’t settle but get one or more Orders that will speed up the process and get them what they need to make a better-informed decision.
  7. Well, it depends on how you define unusual and what filters you’re applying. Like I said, if your talking about Toronto law firms (of any size) or government jobs then it’s likely unusual, and you’re potentially starting above that as a first year. If you’re talking about anywhere rural and/or including solos, then it’s likely usual. But everyone thinks they’re going to end up at Blakes in Toronto so 🤷‍♂️
  8. Doesn’t sound unusual to me. Probably wouldn’t sound unusual to any practising lawyers. It would, however, sound unusual if we were talking about only lawyers at mid-size firms and larger, or government lawyers. Students in law school, and before law school, tend to think of only those specific jobs where it would be unusual, without realizing that those jobs are not in the majority.
  9. This is very uncommon. I haven’t heard of anything like it in law, although I’ve heard of it happening in other environments. That said, there are creepy people everywhere, including in law. You will be put in, generally mild, uncomfortable situations. I’ve had my fair share with older female lawyers as well. It’s not necessarily a one sex issue, although I suspect women get it worse. For something as egregious as what you experienced, if it was in your actual place of work, I’d suggest making a formal compliant. However, it might not be worth it in this situation - that is up to you But, I’d maintain that this likely happens less in law than in other occupations. Or at least that’s my impression.
  10. Not sure this is true.... And also, in general, I think that there can be helpful answers to OP’s question. For example, there are a couple of fields where you’re not likely to get rich even being the best, because hourly rates are low at even top shops (insurance defence and management-side labour). If you focus on matters with generally small awards, you’re not going to make much money (landlord tenant, employment, small claims). You’re also not going to get rich working for the government. Then there are fields where the clients are necessarily cash clients and necessarily have money, and where you’re potentially increasing their profit, so you’ll generally do quite well (tax).
  11. Competitiveness as a best and worst, eh. Best when you win. Worst when you lose.
  12. Op, tbh, only do it if your gf is OVER 2 points above you on the scale, and has discussed marriage with you. That’s, in my option, the only way to rationalize it.
  13. First year would be really tough because your schedule is totally set. After that you could schedule all of your classes over 1-2 days and that wouldn’t be bad.
  14. Love it. That was well-deserved.
  15. Ok, Ryerson location is way better than Oz even if we only take say like 200 meters from each campus. Yes, there’s nothing east of Ryerson, but, Bay/Yonge and Dundas/College/Queen are way better than... welp, I don’t even know what landmarks to mention around York campus... plus ryerson has some cool landmarks by it like YD Square, Nathan Philips/City Hall, Eaton Centre, Court of Appeal, etc. But yes, also being on downtown subway line and proximity to even cooler neighbourhoods is also key.
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