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  1. Okay look - I wanted to be a lawyer since about the age of 12. LA Law was the tv show that did it for me (for you young 'uns it was the Suits of its day). I'm still incredibly honoured to be a member of the bar. But that line is still pretty funny! There is some truth to it!
  2. Remember this. It's a sales job. They're selling the exact same thing that every other school is selling (a JD), but charging more than any other school in the country. So of course they're going to pull out all of the stops to try and convince you to go there. I really would not put much weight on your experience from Welcome Day. Once upon a time, U of T's tuition was comparable to every other school. They though made the deliberate choice to raise tuition a lot in order to sell themselves as the premiere law school - the Harvard of the north. And it has kind of worked for them, at least with impressionable incoming law students. But honestly, it comes back to my old saw - go to law school in the city you want to practice in. If you want to wind up in Toronto, go to U of T. If you want to go to Vancouver, go to UBC.
  3. Your job prospects are not "poor" with a Manitoba JD. They're not as good as if you went to an Ontario school, but people from Manitoba (and every other school) can certainly still get jobs in Ontario. Plus it's like half the distance to Ontario that TRU is. If you actively want to spend your career in BC, then TRU is the school. But if you're uncertain, It's Robson Hall by a mile. That's a savings of $24,000 over the course of your degree. It's a more central location. And though it's pretty far down the list, yes it's a long established institution that has produced (quick google check) 4 SCC justices.
  4. Okay, so I feel like I mention this every year or two. My summer before law school, I did field work in the north. I brought with me a bunch of Penguin Classic books to read in my off time. I read Moby Dick, Tale of Two Cities, Grapes of Wrath amongst others. You're never going to have free time like this again. Do something you'll never get a chance to do again. Because you might not.
  5. Okay, so living closer to home vs cheaper tuition are totally rational things to consider in where to go to school. 'the airport isn't close to the university' totally isn't.
  6. Early-mid 80s in Alberta. There was a handful of lawyers engaged in some massive mortgage fraud. Law Society had to make multiple cash calls to members to cover the losses. I remember talking to a mentor of mine about it who had just been called around that time - it sounded extremely stressful.
  7. So I graduated in the year 2000 (wooo! for those of us of a certain age), and was called in 2001. Just in time to hit the Y2K/9/11 market. I don't know if the modern market will be better or worse. I've also spoken with lawyers who survived the Alberta mid-80s deep freeze (the NEP, plus a bunch of lawyer frauds, caused substantial hardship on the profession). Remember you're looking at a 40+ year career.. The conditions when you graduate are, on the long term, going to have pretty minor impact on your overall career.
  8. So I have frequently said things like "you'll get a quality education at all Canadian law schools" and "prestige doesn't matter". I've kind of put an asterisk behind the brand new schools like TRU and Lakehead (and now Ryerson), but it wasn't that long ago that U of Calgary for example was a brand new law school, and they've done okay. And early returns from TRU seem to be okay. But you're straw-manning when you say that then justifies any old silly reason for arguing for one school over another. Since I just said in this thread "the buildings like nicer" is silly. Nobody with any credibility is arguing for this. So even if all law schools are more or less equal, how should you pick where to go? Consider these factors: 1. Location. You should try to go to school in the city or jurisdiction you want to practice. 2. Cost. Always important. Everything else being equal, save your money and go to a lower cost school. 3. Personal factors. Do you have a significant other near this law school? Is this your hometown? Can you stay with relatives in this town, thus reducing your cost?
  9. There are reasons you could come up with to go to Ryerson over Windsor (though I think the $5k/year price difference is hard to get around). "better location" and "nice facilities" are not amongst them though. This is your education we're talking about, not a vacation destination.
  10. Because the cost difference is something like $60,000. That's a ton of money by itself, never mind that would be on top of the $60 or $80 grand you'd spend to go to Ryerson. Are there some risks at Ryerson? Sure. It's a brand new program and you'd be in the very first year. Maybe they make a total hash of it. But it is regulated. And we've had a couple new schools open up in the last few years: TRU and Lakehead. And the grads of both schools seem to be doing okay. They get jobs, become lawyers. Windsor law school... it also isn't exactly Harvard or Yale either. Now I hate arguing about "prestige", but yes - it's Biglaw placements are pretty low. The Windsor Dual JD program is even worse. It's known that it will take people who wouldn't otherwise qualify for Windsor regularly. Honestly, if you're that worried about Ryerson, I think your better bet would be to go back and apply next year and hope to get in somewhere else.
  11. I don't think that's right. The client retains both the firm and the lawyer. If @ForumNonConveniens were going to a competing firm, the practice is that clients must be sent a letter from both the lawyer and the firm, explaining that the client is free to either stay with the firm, or go with the lawyer. In this case though the OP is leaving the jurisdiction, and the firm doesn't have anyone to cover off the new files, I believe the lawyer has to inform the client that they will no longer be able to act and then get off of record on all open litigation. Here in particular - it is the lawyer's name on record, not the firm.
  12. By third year you have enough experience that you can probably tell whether you can get away with skipping lectures or not. But law school is so different from undergrad I really wouldn't risk it.
  13. My parents opened a little B&B in their retirement. Turns out the service industry is a lot of work. I don't really have an exit plan for law. I kind of figure once I have enough pensionable time and my kids are out of the house I'll just open a one man crim defence shop (or join an existing office) to work part time just to keep me busy and out of the house. As long as I can earn enough money to pay my rent and get some spending money I should be fine.
  14. I can't necessarily answer that question for you, but you can probably figure out the answer yourself. When you're at the office into the evening, or over the weekend, walk around and see who else is there. How many of the associates, how many of the partners.
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