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  1. I'm assuming this question is based on the understanding that very few 1Ls get firm jobs during 1L summer. Most students will typically hold various random summer jobs or perhaps work as a research assistant for a professor. Typically, I'd say there are anywhere between 8-12 RA positions available, and most of the professors seeking one will generally mass e-mail the 1L class in February or March to call for applications.
  2. 50% of 200 is 100, 200 + 100 = 300, therefore the Oz class is 50% larger than the Queens class. I was just approximating to get a round number for argument's sake, but it's perfectly accurate. Actually, Oz's class is more than 50% larger than Western's, if we're being really precise. I used OCI placement rates because it's really the only metric for which we have objective data to counter the other poster's claim that firms in Toronto prefer Osgoode students to Queens/Western students. That data supports the fact that U of T places a much greater percentage of its class into OCI jobs than other schools, which suggests firm preference, but it also shows Osgoode's placement rates are equivalent to those of Western and Queens, which suggests no preference. I'd also dispute the fact that only a quarter of Osgoode's class is interested in an OCI job, but there isn't really any data to draw a conclusion one way or the other. If that was actually the case, though, it would mean virtually every Osgoode student that wants an OCI position ends up getting one, which I don't think is true.
  3. I agree with this, although I'd have to add that application deadlines make it difficult for a number of students to be confident in taking an exchange semester. At Western, applications for exchange are due sometime in early January, which is well before most students who struck out at the OCI process will know whether they'll have an articling position secured in time. Students are relegated either to opting for a Spring-term exchange in order to avoid conflicts with formal articling recruitment dates, or hope that they can secure a position some other way, which is by no means a guarantee in Ontario. In either scenario, students are taking quite a risk, and that was a major reason why a number of people that I know of opted out of an exchange, simply because there was too much uncertainty to plan around. Incidentally, most 3L students that went on exchange this semester obtained OCI jobs and therefore didn't have to worry about any of this.
  4. Could you explain why you think there's a preference in Toronto for Osgoode students over Western and Queens? I think it's generally accepted that U of T is in a class of its own in that regard, but OCI hiring statistics in past years have consistently shown that roughly 22-27% of the class at each of Osgoode, Queens and Western receive OCI jobs. If anything, I think it's more likely that a greater number of Osgoode students are hired simply because of the huge class size, and I certainly don't think it's indicative of firms' preferences. The pool of students to choose from at Osgoode just happens to be 50% larger than those at Western and Queens. Naturally, a greater number of students will be hired, even though the relative proportion of hires to class size is probably close to identical at each school.
  5. If you're saying you scored a 165 cold, then I would say with some preparation you could easily be scoring in the mid-170s with a few months of solid preparation. That would obviously go a long way towards mitigating your lower grades, so that is where I'd start, perhaps along with considering schools that drop your worst credits. Given a high enough LSAT, though, I wouldn't be surprised if you attracted some interest from one or more of the non-U of T schools, especially if you're a few years removed from undergrad.
  6. Supposing you score around where you're practicing at, you'll get in everywhere with the exception of U of T. Even then, they'll probably give you some consideration on the basis of your grades, but it's unlikely you'd get admitted. If that 162 should turn into 165+, you'll be admitted everywhere.
  7. Actually, in a lot of cases pertaining specifically to the OCI recruit, I'd wager that in fact this is exactly what happens, and you essentially stated why this is so. Recruiters know nothing about applicants aside from the materials provided, and grades are the most useful metric available for providing a more or less objective "ranking" of students. Sure, some students might have experience in a field related to one of their practice areas, or have a fantastic and unique EC that sets them apart. Your typical law student probably has neither, yet higher grades correlates almost universally with a greater number of OCIs. Level of interest and personability are what will secure a position, but grades get a student in the door.
  8. As the poster you quoted mentioned, the draws of getting an OCI biglaw job are security and peace of mind as one finishes school, and a decent salary to boot. Students who get a job through the process don't have to worry about the stress of potentially going into 3L without an articling position lined up, and can coast through 2L and 3L if they choose. However, eager 1Ls often gloss over the significant physical and emotional investments required to pursue a career on Bay St. They are such that a considerable number of those who get hired in that area will leave around their third to fifth year of associateship, often by choice, but sometimes not. I suspect that much of the time, students going through the OCI process, especially those with little full-time work experience, don't fully grasp the toll that 60+ hour weeks can take over the course of time, and they've bought into the very effective marketing that big firms are able to put out. It's very easy for students to get swept up in the thrill of landing an OCI job without necessarily considering whether that career path, whether in terms of practice area or lifestyle, is what they truly want. Invariably, some will eventually come to understand that biglaw is not the type of career they envisioned, so they "start over" in a practice area that likely bears little relation, if any, to their Bay St experiences, but in which they greatly prefer practicing.
  9. The most important factor to consider when determining where you want to go to school is where you eventually want to end up. Given that you're hoping to eventually work in BC or the Yukon, U of A is the significantly more attractive option. Not only will the school have a stronger regional pull because of its location, but from a purely networking perspective, it will just be easier for you to travel to interviews and events if your home base is in Edmonton as opposed to Fredericton. This is not to say that a UNB grad can't be successful out west, but you'd be doing yourself a tremendous favour by limiting the amount of travelling you need to do, especially during the semester.
  10. I'm no longer a 1L, but during O-Week for my 1L year only students attended the events, even though spouses aren't specifically excluded. As for the acronym, it doesn't ring a bell.
  11. Based on my perusal of TLS and LSN, I would say you're definitely out at YS and almost certainly out at H. I think you'll do quite well from CCN on down, likely even getting some money from lower T-14s like Cornell, Duke, and especially Northwestern which typically loves splitters.
  12. In at Ottawa, out at Osgoode, likely out at Western and Queens. 160+ on the LSAT would get you an offer at all four schools. Enjoy your pick, you'll be admitted everywhere with the exception of Windsor as they'll assume you'll get in elsewhere.
  13. Firms know that a number of students will receive offers from multiple firms, so they understand that some of them may need to take some time before deciding. You definitely want to answer every call that comes in, and if the first offer you get isn't from your top choice, thank the firm for their offer and politely ask for some time to consider your options. It's not considered rude to do so. If your top choice firm doesn't call within the hour, then it's very likely you won't be getting a call from them. At that point, you should choose the offer that you want to accept and decline all others. The sooner you're able to decline the offers that you won't accept, the greater the service you'll be doing to the firms and to the students who will receive those offers in turn.
  14. I know of at least one firm that's indicated that they'll call their top 2 candidates for the 2 positions they have available, but also call candidates 3 and 4 to let them know that they're on the firm's mind if the first 2 accept elsewhere. I suppose that's similar to a "thanks but no thanks" situation and I wouldn't be thrilled to have that happen.
  15. As you said, it's better to simply include them in all your applications. At worst, the firms who wouldn't have required them spend a couple seconds glancing at them and move on, and I very much doubt that would count against you. Anecdotally, during in-firms out west a friend of mine at one of the Toronto schools was specifically asked by at least one firm why she failed to include her CEGEP transcripts in her applications. She didn't receive an offer from that firm, but got a position in Toronto where her failure to include those transcripts didn't come up at all. I'd recommend including them just to be on the safe side.
  16. I am. I've only received 2 out of 7, I believe.
  17. This is correct. On Student Centre, you'll be "registered" in every class that get into, so you have time to figure out which classes you want to take. You just have to dip below the maximum credit limit by the end of the add/drop period. Given the way course bidding works, it's actually quite common for students to enrol in 6-8 classes, and unfortunately some keep all those classes until the last possible day, which can be frustrating for students who ended up on the very cusp of the waitlist for a course that was ultimately dropped.
  18. 7/25. I'm happy overall, as 5 of the 7 were in the upper tier of places I was hoping for, and I received just enough interviews to fill up my Monday and Tuesday, when adding in travel time, without having to cancel on anyone.
  19. I was invited to a reception by one firm, but no dinners yet.
  20. I'd also add that it's probably better for an applicant if it's the firm suggesting a Tuesday slot because it's slightly later in the process than if the applicant suggested it early on.
  21. This seems right. 8-10, 10-12, 1-3 and 3-5 on Monday, giving you an hour for lunch, then 8-10 and 10-12 on Tuesday with room for a lunch and a dinner/cocktail party if necessary.
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