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  1. He’s also completely right about this too. I understand that you’re looking at this through an academic lens, but once you actually work in the criminal justice system you realize there actually are a small group of people that are so dangerous that keeping them locked up truly is the best thing for society as a whole. Denunciation and deterrence are principles of sentencing for a reason.
  2. I like the way @providence described networking in a general sense. I hated those networking events and I certainly didn't gain anything from them and didn't go to any after 1L. Not being good at those forced awkward networking events filled with keeners isn't going to be a deal breaker. You can still do just fine. It's like how students often view not getting an OCI as the end of the world. There's tons of jobs that are available outside of OCI's.
  3. You can make it work. I'm certainly not an introvert but wasn't super social in law school because I just didn't like all the fake people and the gunners. I made a really good group of friends with a few like minded people and that was enough for me. I can agree with the others that networking is important, but I sucked at it when I was in law school. I also found a lot of the networking events at school to be cringe worthy as it would be a handful of lawyers surrounded by a group of super keen law students sucking up. That just wasn't my style. It's an important skill to try to develop though so I would suggest putting yourself out there because your network is everything once you actually start practicing law.
  4. I think you'll get a good legal education at any Canadian law school. I personally don't think ability to find legal employment has anything to do with your legal education but is solely on you. If you do well at a Canadian school that some may view as inferior, you're probably not going to struggle to find a job. If you shit the bed at what some may view as a top Canadian school, you'll probably struggle to find employment. It's on you.
  5. Meh, ultimately I don't think this is a big deal. This is the exact same conversation that occurred when TRU and then Lakehead opened. At the end of the day, the onus is on the prospective law student to have an idea of what they're getting into before they go to law school. If you choose to go to law school while knowing that the legal market is saturated and there are countless graduates who can't find articles, then you have to understand that there's a possibility that you might be the one who may not be able to find a job.
  6. 100% finish off your undergrad and walk away with a degree and another year of life experience. There is absolutely no rush to go to law school and become a lawyer.
  7. Agreed, which is why I even said in an earlier post in this thread that I'm completely for Legal Aid. Self reps in court are a complete disaster.
  8. The Facebook warriors would certainly affirm your statement, but that's just your ignorant racists. Immigration has nothing to do with wanting those who break the law to be appropriately punished.
  9. I never said I don't see the value of Legal Aid or support the cuts to the program. I fully support accused persons having representation and if they can't afford a lawyer, one should be appointed for them if they face jeopardy. I've both prosecuted trials and been a witness in trials against self reps and it's a fucking nightmare. I'm all for everyone having a lawyer.
  10. To be fair though, that's not entirely untrue when speaking of criminal lawyers which is what a lot of people think of when they hear Legal Aid. The cut to the immigration and refugee cases would obviously impact a lot of people though so the above quote doesn't ring true in this context.
  11. Congrats on the acceptances! That level of perseverance will take you far. Good luck in law school.
  12. I think it definitely is, but it largely depends on the type of law you end up practicing. As others have described in this thread, if you're in an area like crim defence, you're going to need to be able to get to different courthouses often in the same day and you'll be all over the place. Other jobs require you showing up to the office and never having to move around which would be ideal if you're not driving. My current office has several lawyers and paralegals who take public transit instead of driving. The courthouse is next door so getting to court is a non-issue when we do go.
  13. I agree with Hegdis. Let the court be the ones to decide whether the statement was voluntary. If they believe police overstepped their authority, then the court is best placed to remedy that.
  14. Both @Hegdis and @lioness raise good points and I think the way you're both explaining how and why to remain silent is really good. I think Hegdis nailed it though with the comment about the guilty mind. I've done more post arrest interviews than I can recall and I can count on one hand the number of accused persons who followed their lawyer's advice and said nothing. I'm not sure how much is on account of the guilty mind or how much is attributed to them just loving to talk and/or brag. It's not Hollywood where we get confessions or great statements every time, but most of them talk and it's fairly easy to get them to do it even when they start the interview saying they're not going to say anything. One of my favourite interviews was with an adult male who had spent most of his life in and out of prison. He had been burned in previous interviews with police where he disclosed more than he wanted to and the evidence was used against him. Even despite knowing that and speaking to his lawyer twice (once when first arrested and once before the interview), he still gave a great statement implicating himself in multiple crimes.
  15. Overall, I'd agree with your point and even though I skipped a ton of class, I'd always advise people to attend class because it's not going to hurt you as you noted. For me though, I knew exactly what kind of law I was interested in before law school and nothing changed for me during the course of the 3 years. I found 1L fairly interesting but was checked out for 2L and 3L. There were classes such as business associations that I was completely uninterested in, but had to take. I could attend and pay no attention to the class or could just skip and learn the material on my own time. I often chose the latter option. I also had a really good group of like minded friends and we would all share notes with one another. As I said in another post in this thread, law school was very much a means to an end for me. I didn't really care about learning about certain areas of law just for the fun of it. I just needed to get decent enough grades so that I could get a job. Not everyone is going to have that mentality.
  16. Fair enough and that's a valid point. For homicide files with an intellectually challenged accused person, I think you're right that most cops would allow the lawyer in, but that's fairly limited. Rules are also a little different around homicides. My point was that for the vast majority of arrested persons, a defence lawyer is not going to be allowed into a police station so proximity to a police station is not all that important. I would think proximity to the remand centre would be more important as you'll certainly be going there.
  17. I would disagree with the bolded. Police just have to facilitate access to counsel. The only notable difference is with youth in which case they can have a lawyer present as you noted. Things must be done differently in Toronto if you said you're always at the police station. I've never seen a defence lawyer at a police station and none of my friends on the defence side of the bar in Alberta have ever gone to a police station. Where I work, accused persons first arrested get their right to phone a lawyer (assuming they want to) and then that's it until they're either released or lodged to speak to bail. Unless there's a change in their jeopardy or they're being subject to a new investigative technique, they're not speaking to a lawyer again much less seeing one in person.
  18. Ah got it , thanks! Must have missed the Singapore reference.
  19. Great post. It's always nice to hear of success stories for those who've gone abroad and come back. It doesn't really matter to me since I've long since graduated law school, but what kind of stats did you have to get into Oxford? I've always been curious on whether the top overseas schools required similar stats (minus LSAT) as Canadian schools. Good luck with your articles!
  20. I like that you explained why it was funny haha. I didn't get into law school the first time I applied so I did a year of grad school which probably helped me get admitted, but I really wish I had spent more time travelling. I managed to go backpacking in Europe for 6 weeks before starting law school, but my biggest regret was that I never got the opportunity to live abroad for an extended period of time. Unfortunately neither of my careers is conducive to working and living abroad for a year or two so I don't see myself fulfilling that dream any time soon.
  21. People do this all the time. You're not pigeon holed into the area of law you articled in. You just need to be able to sell a new firm on why you're interested in their area of law which really isn't much different than what everyone did when they were looking for an articling position in the first place.
  22. If you're already 4 months in, why wouldn't you just ride it out? Start looking for associate jobs from now while you've got time on your side.
  23. That was something that always resonated with me. After the first semester, I realized that I didn't have to work really hard for B's or B+'s and I was perfectly content with those grades. The people who were consistently getting A's truly understood the nuances of the material better than I did and I highly doubt that me working harder or attending more classes would have resulted in me getting better grades. I was perfectly fine with that.
  24. I see no problem with this. Many, including myself, viewed law school as a means to an end. There were only a handful of classes that I found really interesting and I attended those classes regularly. Over the 3 years, I definitely skipped more class than I attended, but that's what worked best for me. There were a lot of classes where I would attend but then just surf the net because I was bored out of my mind and so ultimately there was no value in me being there. I think the best advice which has been stated by many here is to attend regularly at the beginning because you need to figure out what law school is all about. Once you get a lay of the land and have an idea how things are done, then do whatever you want as long as you get the results.
  25. Couple of thoughts. First off, I'm sorry for your loss. Second, I'm impressed that you made a post where you've clearly put in some time and research into your options. It's quite refreshing. Ultimately, I tend to agree with providence that your best bet might be creating an option #3 and going directly to the US for school, preferably in Texas. If you're absolutely sure that you want to end up in the US and there's no issues with you becoming a resident (I don't know anything about moving to another country), then I don't see much point in getting a Canadian JD or even doing 2 years at Calgary. If the above doesn't work in your circumstances and you absolutely cannot defer, then I'd go with the option that left the most doors open for me. You also have to balance that with what's going on in your personal life. If you weren't going through a period of hardship, I'd probably suggest Calgary for your goals. If I were in your shoes and deferring and going straight to Texas wasn't an option, I'd probably go to Windsor just for the support system and for the professional help you alluded to. Have you looked into whether you could do a year at Windsor and then transfer over as a 2L to one of those Texas schools you were referring to? I don't really know how that works, but I seem to recall my school getting a few transfer students from the US halfway through law school so I'd imagine it works the other way as well? Might be worth something checking into. That could be the best of both worlds? Good luck with everything!
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