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  1. This. OP, for what it's worth, I also took the BA with a major in law program at Carleton and I absolutely loved it. I wouldn't recommend it if you're taking it simply because you hope it'll make you more competitive when it comes time to applying to law school, but if you're genuinely interested in it then I think it's a great program. At best it might help show a demonstrated interest in law, but ultimately admission will always come down to LSAT and GPA. I took the program because there wasn't really anything else that I was interested in aside from maybe History, but felt that a BA in History was even more useless than a BA in Law if I didn't get into law school. I just did the minor in History instead. The program was really great though and I did actually find that it helped me in law school, specifically in 1L. I wouldn't go as far as to say it gave me an advantage by any means though as there were plenty of people who had never even heard of the Charter before law school get better grades than me. Also to echo eric, the program is certainly not law school or bust. Myself and about 6-7 of my really good friends in the program ended up going to law school, but that was a result of our interests and our stats more so than because of the program. I had far more friends in the program who ended up going into either other graduate programs, federal government, policy related jobs or law enforcement.
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    Are You Happy With Your Income?

    Just a few observations from reading this thread: I'm a little surprised that privilege keeps coming up and it sometimes comes across as some posters feel that you should feel ashamed of being privileged. Ultimately every one of us on these forums has some sort of privilege compared to others in that we all have post secondary education and just by virtue of posting on this website, we all have either a computer or smartphone. So why do we keep arguing over privilege? I think it's absolutely important to remember that there are many people who are in much worse situations than we are, but it shouldn't stop you from wanting the best for yourself nor should you feel ashamed of it. Maybe @shawniebear's tone pissed some people off (and I do find it hard to defend him while his display picture is the Leafs logo) but I don't think there's anything wrong in setting goals for yourself and not being happy with 75k a year even though tons of people would be. Money seems to be another sensitive topic that many on these forums skirt around and while it's certainly not everything, I'd wager most of us wouldn't have spent 7 years in university and incurred a potential 6 figure debt if we were told that as a lawyer we'd only ever make 40 thousand a year or whatever the median income is these days. There's nothing wrong with that. Understand that there will always be people less privileged than you, but go ahead and swing for the fences and try to be as successful as you can be.
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    Are You Happy With Your Income?

    I'm pretty content with what I make as well. I make a very comfortable salary but more important are the perks such as the full pension which will allow me to retire at 51 and my 40 hour work weeks. I'm sure many of my classmates make more than me, but I'm content with what I make and it's allowed me to purchase my own home and car which were important to me. Also not living in Toronto or Vancouver helps!
  4. Please don't do an online LLB if you ever hope of actually working as a lawyer. It seems from your previous posts that you're banking on the fact that you can do one year of your online degree and then transfer to a real school? I've never heard of that happening but even if it is possible, the chances are remote at best when so many people struggle to transfer to Canadian schools when they're actually attending real schools. I actually think @epeeist's suggestion is the best. You should absolutely try a timed diagnostic LSAT just to see where you're at. If you blow it out of the water and do really well and you're sure you want to go to law school, then I think your first suggestion of doing a 3 year degree holds a lot of merit. In contrast, if you bomb it and don't feel that you can reach a competitive score even with study, then option 1 may not be the best bet. If you're adamant about becoming a lawyer, then maybe going abroad to a law school isn't the worst option. You'd have to carefully assess the risks and decide if it makes sense for you. I've met many Bond students here recently who all have obtained articling positions after going through the NCA so it certainly can be done but it's not an easy path. Do you have real connections here where you could get an articling job when you return? Many of the Bond students that I've met recently had the nepotism thing going for them which I've got no issues with. If that's something that you've got, the going overseas thing becomes a lot less risky. I've got friends who have done it without the connections, but it can be a long road for them. Bottom line is don't do the online degree if you actually hope to be a lawyer one day. The odds of that happening are extremely slim. More likely, you'll just spend a lot of money for an online degree that will have very little value. Go to law school here or abroad in person if it makes sense for you. Going abroad will never be optimal, but it can and has worked for people, but you have to be alive to the risks. Good luck!
  5. I also came from Ontario and had only ever lived in big cities before so living in Kamloops was a bit of a culture shock to me, but I enjoyed it.
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    Going to the gym during law school

    Would that be cruel and unusual punishment for the poor soul who had to sit beside you in class?
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    Going to the gym during law school

    I think the stress of the NY market finally broke @theycancallyouhoju
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    Going to the gym during law school

    I don't understand where people are getting this idea that law school will encompass their whole life. Everyone presumably already has a degree under their belts and was able to get accepted to law school so you know how to be a student. Law school may be more difficult for some than others, but it's just 15ish hours of class a week. If you can't find the time to work out or binge watch TV or do whatever you're into, then you're probably doing it wrong. I personally found that I had significantly more free time in law school than I did my undergrad, but that was just my experience.
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    Work hours in big law

    My experience has been quite limited, but I've worked for 3 different government/corporation type jobs in my short law career. At two of them, it's been standard 40 hour weeks and I'd rarely have to do more than that or bring work home because very few things were urgent. With my third one, I'd usually do 8-5 and would usually bring some work home, particularly if I was in court the next day.
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    Workload in UK

    Thanks for sharing that @lioness. I usually see the same rhetoric used time after time when none of us actually really know much about the UK law system so it's nice to get an informed perspective.
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    Articling Salary

    Best comment of the day. Well played sir.
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    Law Jobs without 70 hour work weeks?

    So much of this depends on what kind of law you want to practice and where. There are a lot of jobs that don't require 60-80 hours a week. In terms of my experience, I've worked at two different in house corps where the expectation was that no one works more than 40 hours a week and no one brings work home, but I also did a short rotation with the Crown where I certainly worked a lot more than 40 hours a week. Every law job is so different and it depends on what you're looking for.
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    Law School or Masters (MPP/MPA)

    I agree with a lot of what providence said. Your question is very broad which is fair since you're not sure what kind of law you're interested in, but the type of law you practice and where you choose to practice factor in heavily to some of the questions you posed. Again echoing providence, I really think researching, talking to lawyers and going to court to watch what happens are great ways of trying to determine if this is something you're interested in.
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    Please help me to understand health law

    @healthlaw you're up. You going to help this kid with his homework?
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    Taking a year off after law school

    I did the same. Best decision I ever made.