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  1. As everyone has now beaten to death, no you cannot accept an offer and then later decline it. I took a job in Toronto (which I now love), but I gave up opportunities to apply in smaller communities that would have offered a better work-life balance. I kind of wish I had at least thrown my application at the firms I was interested in that were in the other markets with earlier deadlines. I think there's a decent chance people would have interviewed me ahead of their normal recruiting cycle. Lots of smaller-to-midsize firms don't really have a dedicated time when they hire; even if the local law society suggests a particular timeframe. I mean, the worst case is that you apply in the area with the early deadlines, throw resumes at the place with the later deadlines, get interviews with the early deadlines, and go into the early deadlines with the knowledge that nobody with the later deadlines expressed interest. Nothing lost, really. You may also get a response from the later deadline location saying, "We have read your resume and would like to meet with you when we do our hiring in X, but cannot meet with you now", which would also give you better information. Also, you should do research on your chosen area. TALK TO PEOPLE FROM THE FIRMS YOU WANT TO WORK AT IN THE AREA WITH THE LATER DEADLINES. See if you like them. See if you are interested in what they do. If you really hit it off, mention that you are very interested in their firm, but in this tough job market, it is not easy/wise to bypass applying at all the firms with the earlier deadlines and see if they have any suggestions. Also, consider how many interviews you get in the early market. If you get 25 OCI offers in Toronto, you'd be more likely to get interviews in your chosen market and should feel more confident in holding off and applying for the job you really want. These are ways you could at least be more proactive about the issue to hopefully come to a more informed decision. Edit: Also, what Nadawamahayanadiah said. It demonstrates real interest instead of desperation.
  2. This is great. Although I expected some kind of old drunk for the partner.
  3. Also, when trying to be helpful: Worf - Denied Particularly, this one: Why? Strangely, I found this video bookmarked on my computer, but I don't remember ever seeing it before...
  4. Don't forget duties. I think I got hit with $45 the last time I bought something....
  5. Three months later, being an associate is now more like this: Robot soccer
  6. I shake my fist in jealousy at Hamiltonians' ability to buy habitable detached houses for less than 200k: http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?PropertyId=15377777
  7. Light grey is good and will not stand out. I personally like brown, but some people say its too casual for downtown TO. I would still wear it, but if you want to blend in, you could stick to blues and greys. You could also do a blue-grey. Or pinstripes. Or light blue (which can get too flashy very quickly). You could also go to grey or blue prince of whales.
  8. Definitely acceptable as conservative. People only say to avoid patterns as first suits because it's more obvious whe you're wearing it alot. But anything with a suble pattern like this (others include pick & pick, non-shiny sharkskin, nailhead, birdseye, micro-houndstooth, flannels) is almost as conservative as solid. I always found that annoying - "business casual". When firms say this, they tend to not mean business casual the way it is discussed on styleforum/malefashionadvice, etc. They usually just mean you don't have to wear a tie, and you should still come if you're broke and don't have a suit. If you go to these events in something truly business casual, you will likely be the only student in a sport coat, odd trousers and double monks in a sea of suits worn sans-tie. The really old partners might not wear their suit jackets and just wear a dress shirt, suit pants, and no tie. Some other old guys will be in conservative sport coats, with pants from a suit. Most of the visiting law students wind up donning a full suit, so that is what you should expect. There'll be a few students who just wear a dress shirt and dress pants, without a jacket. There'll probably be a junior-to-midlevel associate who takes the opportunity to wear a sweet bespoke sport coat that he bought but can't really afford yet... Nobody will really care what you wear, as long as it isn't track pants or jeans and a t-shirt. If you have a sport coat or blazer you could wear it. Suit without tie if you want to blend in. Suit with tie would be fine, too, as there are inevitably people who are either trying hard or just straight-up like ties (like me). Wear whatever fits within these parameters and makes you feel confident. The most important thing is the conversations you have with people, not how you look. Odds are the receptions will make no difference, but there is the chance that you might hit it off with someone from the firm who makes a note on you, and that can help you chances later with OCIs/In-firms. Nobody will make a note that you dressed perfectly for the occassion, but it can get you bonus points in that it makes you come accross as more mature and confident. You can get by with two, switching every other day. I would suggest 3. I would not suggest buying more than three, as you likely don't know what suits fit you well yet. Unless you have the $$$$$$ to jump straight into made-to-measure clothing, it takes a lot of time and trial and error to learn about what fits you. For articling, I would bump it up to 5 or 6. Before buying more suits, think about what fits you and what doesn't, based on articling. Remember that stuff will happen. You don't want to be in a position where you have two suits and one has salad dressing stains on it, but you don't have a backup, and you have to wear the same suit three days in a row because you don't have time to deal with dry cleaning. As said around 100 times in this thread, don't buy a black suit. If you have one, you can wear it. Nobody will care. But black really is for weddings, funerals, and evening wear.
  9. For those looking for a solid staple and are willing to spend a bit, Kent Wang is selling their charcoal sample suits for 595 US instead of 795 . factor in shopping and alterations. Realistically, you probably have to pay well over 1000 for something else of comparable quality from other makers.
  10. The further I get from articling, the more I agree with this.
  11. This is fucked. I'm a first year call at a Bay St. firm. My rate is over $300 per hour. The idea that someone with 10 years of experience charges $84 really demonstrates how little we care for the accused...
  12. I laughed. I don't even know how I found a 1.5 year old thread....
  13. On slow weeks I work around 50. I probably average ~70. Roughly 12 hours a weekday, and roughly 10 hours per weekend. On busy weeks, I also work over 100.
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