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  1. There are plenty of Canadian LLMs at my school. I know to get in, you have to do quite well in your LLB degree. As for treatment during OCI, I really don't know. From what I understand, they have their own OCI, and firms typically will hire them for one year after graduation. I would recommend talking to an LLM about this; they would be able to give you a lot more insight than I would.
  2. I can't speak to the other schools, but I can tell you this ... The law is what it is. It changes daily, and to be honest, really isn't all that complex. However, the theories behind the law, historical underpinings, and justifications for our legal system and the rights we uphold are complex and far from intuitive. And these are things you really can't learn from a textbook or a professor. Almost everything useful that I've learn thus far has been from my classmates, and everyday, I'm in awe that I get to study law with these people. I swear, each class I look around and think that I have no business being in the same room as my classmates. And this may be the best part of law school. For example, i'm studying property right now, and property law is fairly laid out and hasn't changed much (at least in the US over the past 100 years save IP law). But why do we have property rights? What gives someone a "right" to property? Is there a natural, normative right to your possessions, or merely a matter of convention? These are things you need to decide for yourself, and no textbook or law prof can make up your mind for you. but discussing it in class, or over lunch w/ your classmates can - and I think this is invaluable to learning the "law".
  3. 1) For the summers with firms, it's not an issue at all. The firm will sponsor you for a temp. work permit and I would doubt you would even have to do much work. As for working off campus during the school year, I don't think you are allowed to do that - unless you were able to get your employer to sponsor you like a firm would. Mind you, it is very unlikely you will be able to do this regardless ... way too much work. 2) lol. Before I get into a little rant ... looking back on it, at the school itself, I don't think that there is really too many opportunities that wouldn't be available at a Canadian school. My school in particular has a ton of money, so we have almost every club, organization, student body you can think of - but realistically, any Canadian school could implement the same thing. One of the most amazing thing about going to HLS is the people who I get to learn law from. It's actually really incredible. Yesterday I walked by Charles Fried in the library and still couldn't believe that I'm actually get to study law around these people. Or our moot court competition is judged by typically two supreme court judges. Arguing before J. Scalia and J. Breyer can certainly be a life experience. That said ... There are times that I really regret not learning Canadian law (and I can tell you that the other Canadians at my school feel the same). In a weird way, I feel a little like I've betrayed my country sometimes - and it can be sad. Sitting in class learning about the US Constitution for months can make you feel a little out of your element. I know absolutely nothing about the Canadian legal system, the Canadian Constitution, or the Canadian law, and it really bothers me. There's not much I can do about it though. sigh.
  4. 1) Yes, being Canadian puts you in the interenational category. I don't think this really helps though - if anything might hurt. Schools typically don't accept too many international students, and while they say they evaluate on the same criteria, I suspect it's a little harder for international students. 2) I hadn't really thought this would be a problem until I got here, but all American law is essentially built around American history. Everything I study has ties to the civil war, the American revolution, the declaration of independence, the union of the 13 states ... and I really knew nothing about these things. Things like 'federalism' play major roles in the jurisprudence, and at first, I found it extremely difficult to understand a lot of the constitutional law because of this. 3) Not sure if i plan on coming back immediately, but eventually, I would like to for sure. I miss toronto, and can't wait to be back for the summer. 4) I'm not sure I can answer this, without knowing specifics about the schools and whatnot. If you're looking at the top 15 or so schools, I would say go to the best one you get into, regardless of money - and if you want to return to Canada, international rep. will matter for sure. If you are looking at lower schools, a lot will depend on where you want to practice, how much you want to pay, and a number of other factors.
  5. I'll be coming bakc to Canada this summer, and doing some public interest work. I found that it would have been fairly easy for me to do both though. Even if I wanted to work at a US law firm, it wouldn't have been too difficult to find a position.
  6. (1) Paying by a combination of my own money, grants from my school, and loans from my school. To be honest, my school makes it very easy for me to pay, or take out any necessary loans, and I haven't had to worry much about the whole issue. I imagine it would be the same at any of the top schools. If you're willing to make the investment, they're willing to loan you the money. (2) The competition can be intense, but it is what it is. I think law school in general is pretty competitive as law students tend to be like that. At my school, the average is a B+. About 10% of students get As, the next 20% A-s, 30% B+s, 30% Bs, and the rest B-s and Cs. People fight ridiculously hard for the As and A-s, but in the end, grading seems rather arbitrary and the variations in marks don't seem overly important. I think that its very difficult to characterize the atmosphere. I think the worst part of it is the pressure, not from the grading, but from participation in class and this weird feeling that you're always been assessed, critiqued. A lot of people start feeling very intellectually inferior, and there have been a few breakdowns. And this obviously depends a lot on your individual personality.
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    sorry ...

    my bad. apparently i forgot how to reply
  8. Hey all ... thought I'd drop in and see if anyone had any questions/concerns/rants about studying law in the US. I'd be more than happy to give any limited insight that I might have. Hope applications are going well ...
  9. lookinig through the facebook and I found the following information for the representation of canadian undergraduate degrees: UofT - 3 UofA - 1 UofS - 1 Mcgill - 1
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    going away for a year

    UofT counted my 'away' grades (I'm pretty sure, but i don't actually know)
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    How long should I wait?????

    I heard a lot of waitlisters can get in around Sept-ish...if peopel dont' pay their deposit or drop-out at the last minute. Sucks I guess.
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    Toronto law considerations...

    I don't know if I agree with this ... but ... law schools grade on a VERY tight curve. Even the bottom 20% has almost the same marks as the middle. And UofT has very good employment stats. I think they said that this year, only 3/200 or so people didn't have articling positions. Don't quote me on that though...
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    Number of Applications

    UofT and Osgoode will be fine. Just don't royally screw up your applications.
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    Teaching

    they say its nearly impossible in the US as well. I really don't know, but if you're looking to teach in law school, you'll probably need top grades, a clerkship, law review ... yada yada yada ... very difficult.
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    law school essay sample

    Actually, its not really. It's just 10,000 words I believe, about anything. But they say, if you went part-time, or changed schools, or blah blah blah, you need to include it, and an explanation why you did, in your PS. I think there's information addressing this on their website.
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