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  1. 4 points
    I'm fairly certain that most firms only allow associates to wear Gucci products if they have performed or agree to perform Lil Pump's Gucci Gang in front of the partners at the annual Christmas party. As you're a law student/articling student, I can only imagine you would have to perform said masterpiece while dressing up as the man himself.
  2. 3 points
    I can't speak to your particular firm, but I have it on good authority that you're likely to be confused with the janitorial staff if you wear something as pedestrian as Gucci at Morgan's.
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  4. 2 points
    Gucci is a fashion house that built its reputation when Tom Ford designed for them in the 1990s. Today, it’s best know for its black face sweaters and corny sneakers and street wear favoured by SoundCloud rappers and other assorted rubes.
  5. 2 points
    1. Everyone is so weirdly nice. The professors, the staff and upper years. I found it to be a bit much in the beginning but, before I knew it, I had also turned into one of them. Everyone shares outlines and notes liberally. Speaking openly about grades and gloating is severely frowned upon. The competition is there but it is very much hidden. Honestly, it's a great atmosphere. People are very considerate. 2. The peer tutoring program. The faculty hires second and third year students to hold study seminars and tutor first year students. 1Ls get matched up with upper years according to the difficulty they're having with specific courses, whether the upper year had the same professor as them, the strengths and learning styles of the students etc. Students can choose to either be tutored individually or in study groups. In the first semester, individual tutoring sessions were limited but group study sessions were unlimited. By second semester, they announced that all tutoring was unlimited. They also have a separate law buddy program where first years are linked with an upper year who can provide them with support throughout the year. 3. The amicus support services. They have a counselor dedicated to law students, an indigenous support counselor and a disabilities support person. They make themselves available to you. Most people will suffer through at least some type of crisis while going through law school so its helpful to have people on your side. 4. The co-op program. This program is awesome for gaining experience while getting paid. A number of my friends have gone overseas or out of province for their positions and they love it. The co-op coordinator is great and most postings are interesting. 5. The emphasis on progressive ideologies. From the emphasis of sexual battery in first year torts to the creation of the JD/JID program, this school wants to use the law to dismantle oppressive power structures and I think it does a good job of walking the talk. The course offerings also reflect this. Next year, they're offering indigenous governance, race and ethnicity, animal law, water law, sexual orientation and the law etc. The professors are also great, Elizabeth Adjin-Tettey, Michelle Lawrence, and Kathy Chan are gems. 6. Legal process. The two week introductory course in September taught us basics such as how we should read a case while also providing context surrounding indigenous legal orders. The first year class was split into five (or six) groups and gave us room to get to know each other and the law a little bit before diving into courses. It was a lot of fun- we went on a city tour with different stations, hiked Mount Pkols, and engaged in an informal moot. Paired with the orientation week activities planned by the law students' society, the first month of law school was super memorable. 7. The Law Centre. You get to spend an entire semester working to help the underprivileged and you're graded on a pass/fail basis. It's a great way to spend part of 3LOL. 8. The bursary program is generous to say the least. I've heard that UVic doesn't give out as many scholarships and, instead, concentrates on distributing needs-based bursaries. Coupling this with the fact that the tuition is the cheapest in the country (outside of Quebec), many UVic grads will have a manageable time paying off their student loans. 9. The law building itself is outdated but the very large library is new and it is a beaut. Additionally, they'll start construction on the JD/JID expansion soon which should brighten up the place a bit. 10. The city of Victoria is adorable. Great hikes, cute boutiques and restaurants and lovely people. It offers a small town vibe but you won't miss the necessities. I'm a city girl through and through but I love Victoria. My social cup overflows due to being in law school and my study schedule keeps me from going out that much anyway.
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    I'm in house, so my experience is pretty similar to what you would get in the standard corporate work world. I'm not sure if I qualify as having kids "early", I think I was practicing for 7 years by the time I had a baby, but not by choice--we took awhile to conceive. 1) My hours were not particularly long when I got pregnant. I worked 8:30-5:30 and through lunch, type thing. I was fortunate that I had absolutely no external signs of pregnancy, no morning sickness, felt great, maybe a bit more tired than usual in the evening. I didn't miss a beat.I was pretty much checked out the last couple weeks of work--pretty much worked till my due date--and by then was very uncomfortable, in pain, etc. but I didn't shorten my hours or anything. In hindsight, I would have taken more time off prior to my due date. 2) I just had a conversation with my boss, when I was 16 weeks pregnant. He took it well. I actually asked him not to tell anyone else, only because we had one person who was a nosy f*ck and I pretty much only wanted her to find out as late as possible, once I was showing. I can't remember how everyone else found out. 3) I returned to work early into a different job. I felt certain things happened while I was away that were unfair to me, and part of it I felt had to do with my absence. Mat leave would have affected my progress had I stayed at my previous employer, but I was able to find another job at significantly higher seniority and pay. My new employer did not care that I was coming off a mat leave. That said, it took us awhile to get pregnant, (which is difficult as a type A who has everything carefully planned!) and during that time, plus the year that I was pregnant, I felt I wasn't able to entertain possible career advancement opportunities when recruiters contacted me for other roles; and I had to hand over an interesting high profile project for someone else to take over for me while I was gone. Other than taking mat leave a bit early, I wouldn't change a thing. My advice would be to make a conscious decision about what you want out of life/career before you come back from mat leave, perhaps as soon as you find out you're pregnant, so you can plan for that while you're away (having said that, during the mat leave, try not to worry about your career and enjoy the time you have with the baby. It really goes by so quickly!) But also know that life happens and how you feel now may be different than how you feel when you are holding your baby.
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    Hi everyone! I just wanted to get everyone's opinions on my chances of admission into U of T Law. cGPA: 3.6X (Different calculators say different things - either 3.61/3.62/3.63?) B3: 3.71 B2/L2: 3.96 (strong upward trend!) LSAT: 180 I... think my personal statement is pretty average? I volunteered with some peer support diversity things at my university, and worked as a research assistant on an equity project too. I'm told U of T doesn't take too kindly to lower GPAs though, so I'm nervous even with my high LSAT score. Thank you!
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    Hey! So I've recently been narrowing down on my choices for law school and I realize that Ryerson now has a law school. I was really excited as it is close to home and would be perfect if I get admitted. However, I'm a bit discouraged because I understand, from their website, that their approach is more business/technology based - whilst I took double majors in Political Science and Criminology (I know...typical). I mean, their approach is very appealing to me - I love the aspect of merging business and technology with law, but do I even bother applying to Ryerson then? I have no knowledge related to their approach Do you think those with undergraduate programs within the business field would have greater priority than me? Also, the interview aspect is throwing me off as well. Anyone whose done an interview for Ryerson Law, could you perhaps lend me some advice in terms of what to expect?
  9. 1 point
    Are you sure you want to hear about that or would just want them to know how smart you think you are?
  10. 1 point
    OP: the literal embodiment of every negative stereotype of lawyers ever. I say go to law school just as the oracle foretold!
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    They are overpriced for what they are, but I would wear them if they were given to me. Personally though, I prefer to buy from higher quality makers as opposed to fashion houses. Right now, for example, I am wearing Carmina loafers (https://www.carminashoemaker.com/mens-loafers/black-penny_loafers_80599).
  12. 1 point
    DO the daughter's home work ... and make sure she fail everything *endless evil laugh
  13. 1 point
    I think you're really trying to avoid difficult courses, but don't want to admit it.
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    Accepted on the 9th of December! No email- only OLSAS and uozone cGPA: 3.96 LSAT: 159
  15. 1 point
    Yes, folks, if you're posting in an Accepted thread, please include brief info such as gpa, LSAT score, how you were notified. Just saying you have been accepted isn't helpful! Thank you!
  16. 1 point
    I’m in!! Received the call yesterday. LSAT 150, 85% last two years, 3.7 overall GPA. Bora Laskin is a great example that truly everyone has a equal chance of pursuing law school! I did have a lot of volunteer work, a great personal statement (in my opinion) and strong references. Goodluck! It truly is the best feeling receiving the call.
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    Im in! 3.28 Cgpa (3.89 L2) 157 LSAT with A higher November (hopefully) on the way Strong LORs (Biased) strong softs [5000 community hours + Masters in Public Policy]
  18. 1 point
    I'm in! 3.6 GPA 161 LSAT strong LoRs.
  19. 1 point
    I like using “same” in certain instances for clarity and brevity. I could omit it altogether but then there might be some ambiguity about what I’m referring to. I could substitute the actual thing I’m talking about but then I’d need to repeat a bunch of words or create a defined term just for that purpose, which seems excessive. That said, I agree that it’s overused in many cases. It just so happens that this is one of my favourite comics on the subject.
  20. 1 point
    I don't know why people are saying it may pose as an advantage for you during the recruitment process. I am a poc law student, so take what I say with a grain of salt. The general consensus around diversity issues is that some big firms are working on their diversity competence (anti-bias training, inclusive events, name-blind hiring) precisely because they recognize POC and Indigenous folks are at a disadvantage. I really do not think that firms with these programs in place are wildly successful in hiring POC/Indigenous folks. I do not see many student classes robustly diverse, nor an associate cohort robustly diverse (or even kinda diverse), nor a partnership cohort robustly diverse (or even kinda diverse), at any firm based on the faces/names I see on websites. This article briefly looks at the subjective experience of an Indigenous person going through the OCI process, while critiquing the process as a whole: https://precedentjd.com/news/cover-story-the-ocis-are-broken/; an indigenous colleague at my law school has also said how they had to face the assumption they were interested in social justice issues (i.e. not interested in Bay st) because of their indigenous identity throughout the process. They noted that this was something that an upper-year indigenous person advised them to expect and she prepared for it. (More articles on diversity issues on bay st. in general: http://ultravires.ca/2014/11/diversity-on-bay-street-knocking-on-the-diversity-wall/; https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/hadiya-roderique-black-on-bay-street/article36823806/) Anyways! Not all doom and gloom. There are diverse candidates who got a bay st. job, and there are diverse lawyers with bay st. practices. My limited understanding (and from what I have heard from POC lawyers and students alike) is that the onus is on you, the diverse candidate, to be the best candidate you can be to overcome any potential implicit or explicit barrier that may be thrown your way trying to get on and thrive on bay st. I have heard that from students, associates, and partners on probably all the different occasions i spoke about diversity with someone, or heard a talk on the subject (all of these instances were re: bay st as that is/was my area of interest). It strikes me as a bit ridiculous to say you'd be at an advantage. Having a disadvantage is not the end of the world, but it is a reality you will likely have to navigate to a large or small extent throughout your student and practising career. I'd advise reaching out to your indigenous law students association at your school (or upper year indigenous students) to build that network and find out who are some indigenous bay st. lawyers (former or current) you can perhaps speak with to gain some perspectives about life on bay st. as an indigenous person.
  21. 1 point
    158 LSAT 3.55 GPA 3.6 L2, MA English Lit student, very strong and related ECs
  22. 1 point
    Got the call earlier today, super excited. Stats: 162 LSAT, 3.5 GPA and average softs.
  23. 1 point
    If a woman told me she’d call me at 5 if she wanted to bang me, or she wouldn’t call me at 5 if she didn’t want to bang me, and I didn’t get a call at 5, I’d assume she doesn’t want to bang me. I don’t think that’s ghosting – there’s a clear time she’ll be in touch if we’re having sex, and the lack of contact tells me everything I need to know about whether or not I’m getting laid during the summer of 2020.
  24. 1 point
    Where to start with this one! And of course I see this at the end of the day! I think I'm just going to go point form... -your friends are right - it does get better. Right now everything is brand new, you have to research every last point, you question your every decision. But it gets better. You'll start running into the same legal issues, and no longer have to research them. You have enough experience you know how something will happen. I know I used to have to spend a couple hours getting ready for an impaired - now I typically spend 5 minutes. -please do not be afraid to ask people for advice! Everyone has been there before. I've always found that other Crowns are very generous with their answers and advice. There's no need to re-invent the wheel if one of your colleagues has already done this kind of application, or has already researched a sentencing memo. -all of that being said... crying in the shower every day is probably not normal. Throwing up and getting sick is not normal. That's not that there's anything wrong with you, or that you aren't tough enough or strong enough. I would urge you to see a doctor - not so that he can just prescribe you anti-anxiety meds, but just to double check that you don't have medical issues causing some of your problems. -more generally - self-care is important! Make sure you're eating right. Make sure you're getting some exercise. And for goodness sake alcohol or drugs are not a viable stress-management tool in the long run (you didn't mention, just in case) -you say you are burning yourself up trying to be perfect. I'm going to tell you you can't do this. They don't give us nearly enough time to be perfect. You just need to be competent. You WILL make mistakes. A lot of those mistakes will be from not having enough time to do things. On the really, really important cases sure you take extra time, and dot every eye. But just accept and embrace that mistakes are a part of a crazy busy crim law practice. -it doesn't sound like time management is your problem, honestly -so I'm a Crown from Alberta with 10+ years experience. If it helps to talk to someone not in your office I'm here for you. PM me a message, and we can talk over email or even on the phone
  25. 1 point
    Update: I chose Dal. I got the chance to visit both campuses earlier in July and was very impressed by Dal, not only by the law school (the atmosphere, how welcoming and informative everyone is, their course offerings and opportunities, etc) but also by Halifax. The city is very different from Toronto (where I grew up and did my undergrad). Just like brodozer I also did my undergrad in business and after talking to several 2Ls, 3Ls and recent Dal grads, they all said that the school provides great connections to positions in business law. They also said that the Career Development Office is great at the school and if you wished to practice back in Toronto they offer many internships there for summers which could potentially set you up with some great connections for articling opportunities. Having spoken to my connections in Toronto as well, many have said that Dal has a more impressive law program than Ottawa. But this opinion is biased from a business law perspective and I am sure that Ottawa has strengths in other areas. Overall I'm happy with my decision about Dal and I think it will cater to what I want from my career more than Ottawa would have.
  26. 1 point
    Without wading into the underlying debate, I just wanted to specifically respond to this comment because I couldn't have said it better. Although I'm only a 2019 call, so I don't want to derail this, I just managed to secure a better than expected associate position in a niche area of law in a small practice group with colleagues who seem to just be all around great people. And from the ground running I will be making way more than my grandparents ever did, who both worked in a factory for 50+ years while raising me as a kid, and now experience real health problems from how hard they had to work in less than ideal conditions, with never having anything like a financial cushion (one of my grandparents was an orphan, the other the oldest of 12). When I get them simple gifts, like craft coffee beans or other things they like, I literally have to rip off the label and say it bought it on sale or they will not use it because it is "too good for them." I really wish life could be more fair, but it isn't, and so I'm just thankful for what I have and trying to be a more open-hearted person in the process.
  27. 1 point
    Recent Osgoode grad here, these are the first ten I could think of (in no particular order): Reputation - Osgoode continues to have one of the best reputations in Canada, both with lawyers and non-lawyers. Going to Osgoode will not hold you back from getting a job pretty much anywhere in Canada. For what it's worth, most non-lawyers I talk to are impressed because they still assume Osgoode is located downtown and/or affiliated with U of T. Bay Street Placement Rates - Oz consistently places about the same number of students on Bay Street as U of T based on the numbers published by Ultra Vires. While they obviously have a greater class size, I never felt that going to Osgoode over U of T was a material disadvantage to getting hired on Bay Street. Oz also places very well in the 1L recruit. Access to NY Recruit - Oz is also one of the only schools (other than U of T and maybe McGill? to my knowledge) that actually holds OCIs for NY big law firms. From what I've heard, Osgoode has placed pretty well in NY in recent years as well. Toronto - While the location of the school is obviously not ideal, it's still technically in Toronto, which was a major factor for me. Being in Toronto makes it much easier to network and allows the school to offer a number of unique opportunities (see next). The new subway extension also makes it much easier to commute to and from downtown. Clinics/Intensives - While most/all schools claim to be able to provide amazing opportunities to obtain practical experience while still in school, Osgoode does truly seem to have a number of very impressive and unique clinical/intensive programs in place. A few that come to mind are Parkdale, the ABLW program with Davies, the Venture Capital Clinic with Wildeboer, and CLASP. Student Body - I think Osgoode takes pride in assembling a diverse class of interesting people and I really found this to be true when I was there. I really enjoyed my time at the school and made some lifelong friends. Joint Programs - The JD/MBA with Schulich is very popular and much less expensive than the JD/MBA at U of T. Students graduating from the program seem to place very well on Bay and have access to a number of unique opportunities. The JD/MES program also seems to be becoming more popular. Exchange Opportunities - I don't think this is exclusive to Oz, but Osgoode has some great exchange partnerships in place and you can have an incredible experience for a semester in third year. OHLJ - The Osgoode Hall Law Journal is one of the more respected Canadian law journals and can be a great experience if you're thinking about entering academia or aiming for the NY recruit. Social Events - Oz truly puts together some great events, (Mock Trial, Wendy Babcock Drag Show, Ski Trip, JCR Wednesdays, Thursday Pub Nights, etc.)
  28. 1 point
    they go to 2 decimal places for the index calculations. as for the courses, i did the exact same thing, and as long as it can be applied to your degree (i.e you take the course before you graduate) they will take it.
  29. 1 point
    Would anyone who recently graduated or is still attending Osgoode be willing to do one?
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  31. 1 point
    I too struggled with answering this question. There are certainly elements of my life with which I am very satisfied, and law is a defining part of it. I'm very satisfied with my job, with what I do everyday, with the people I work with, with the people I work for, and the compensation I get for it. I am also satisfied with my general position in life. Growing up, I was repeatedly told that I was a failure, I would not amount to anything, and that people like me don't enter this profession. Everyday I can wake up and do what I do as a massive "fuck you" to the people who said I couldn't or shouldn't do it. That is pretty satisfying for me. But at the same time (and mindful of potentially stepping into the cesspool created by Mycousinsteve) I do feel guilty about my success. I am incredibly conscious of the fact that I earn now as a young lawyer what my father was earning, after a lot of struggle, at the peak of his career. My mother works a close-to-minimum-wage job and works way harder than I do, but I charge 20+ times more than she makes an hour. Something just seems off about that sort of discrepancy. I get it that I am smart (relatively speaking) and that has its market value; but I wouldn't say that it is all effort and no luck of the draw. I just happen to retain and understand more information than the average person, am able to direct that towards seemingly useful ideas, and am able to express those ideas in a coherent and polished way. All of that means that I get to live way better than my parents ever could. So when I take my parents to a nice restaurant, I am equal parts satisfied that I can take them to that place, but also guilty that more value has been placed in me than them because of some random combination of values.
  32. 1 point
    This section was painful to read. It sounds like your school just supports causes/plans events which focus on diverse ideas/cultures?? and they advertise it? What kind of conservative, right wing course are you even looking for? The whole 'half of orientation has to do with natives' part is particularly painful. *Indigenous* law is very important considering Canada's history. If I were to make a list for UWindsor #1-10 would be admin. It is insane how long it takes admin to get anything done. We received our grades a month ago, and they literally can't figure out how to rank >160 students, since the system apparently used to do it for them. It is wild. They don't answer emails, they can't make a timeline and, if they do, you can guarantee it won't be met.
  33. 1 point
    I'm 9 years out, 8 years post-call including a mat leave. Yes, I'm very satisfied with my life, both career-wise and life-wise, although I presume you're mostly asking about career-wise, or life-wise in relation to career. I'm in house, income is $190k+, with a bonus of up to $35k, plus benefits (no stock options). Work life balance has always been great. I got a significant promotion recently, and I would say I work longer hours now, but not anywhere near private practice hours. I can't complain. Similar to another poster, if time were rewinded, would I go back and be a lawyer? Yes. I had a few challenges and roadblocks during my career, most significantly getting that first articling position. But I love the work, the diversity of legal issues I face, my colleagues, my industry. I never had a career prior to law, and I do believe that had I not gotten a law degree, my income and prospects would not be as high now, or it would take a lot longer to catch up. Now if you're asking if I had a second life, would I choose law again? No. If one can dream, I'd be a resort developer or something like that.
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    I'm not exactly a fan of the 'lean-in'/Sheryl Sandberg mentality, but I do think there's something to be said for not worrying too much about pregnancy/kids/work-life balance until you need to. I'm a litigator with little kids, and I work reasonable hours. Sometimes it's crazy busy (though never for months on end) -- sometimes not. I've worked in 4 different jobs (and 3 distinct areas of law) since law school, and have had reasonable hours at all of them. I have not ever worked at one of the large downtown firms, and I do know that those firms generally require significantly more hours than what I put in. That's a big part of why so many associates leave after 3 or 4 years, but there's no reason that you can't choose to do that if you find yourself pregnant 3 years in and want a better schedule. My point is: don't worry about problems that don't exist yet. Don't be a solicitor if you want to be a litigator. And don't leave the law because you're worried that you'll find the schedule too difficult, or the job too stressful, or whatever. Try it. Try multiple firms, try different areas of law, and if it doesn't work out, then look for something different.
  36. 1 point
    Wow... interesting that you've pretty much categorized half of the law schools in Canada as having a "weaker student body". At the end of the day, NO Canadian employer cares about what law school you go to- every law student has the same chance of getting any job they apply to. Speaking on behalf of three current UOttawa law students (who had the option to go to UBC, York and UofT, but chose UOttawa) and have been successful in big firm recruits in Calgary and Toronto, incoming students should pick the law school they are most interested on based on their research of the program, class/ internship opportunities, school specialization, city, etc. Also, student body is a valid concern! Getting into any Canadian law school is an accomplishment in itself, and students shouldn't let some of the comments on this forum influence their decision.
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  38. 1 point
    It’s been over ten years since I first walked in to the Weldon Law Building at Dal to start 1L. This board was extremely helpful back then and thought I’d jot down a few thoughts about my time at Dal with the benefit of almost a decade out of school. Originally from Toronto, I had worked in another industry in Manitoba for a few years before deciding to return to university and pursue law school. I wasn’t overly keen on returning to Toronto and working on Bay St., so that was less of a factor to staying at an Ontario school (though plenty of my classmates returned or moved to Toronto and have had successful careers at various sized firms). I won’t spend too much time chatting about the academics and professors as many things may have changed. In fact, I think a couple of my classmates are now sessional instructors there! However, overall my experience at Dal was quite positive. The faculty was excellent (with a few notable exceptions) and I was very impressed with my fellow classmates. It was a very friendly atmosphere and generally not overly competitive. I never attended any other law schools but anecdotally have heard stories of people hiding materials or ripping out pages from library books. My only real complaint about 1L at Dal was that you had your classes with the same 50 people or so in your “section”. This meant that you go to know 50 people really well, and 100 or so people not too well. I didn’t meet a couple of classmates who I still consider friends until 3L - would have been nice to have had at least one class with them earlier in law school. The social scene at Dal was lots of fun, though extremely alcohol focused. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a beverage as much as the next person and drinking seems to be pretty predominate in most legal circles, but things would definitely get excessive at Dal. Personally, I found that I had an absolute blast during 1st and 2nd year, but things had gotten a little stale by 3rd year (that was just me, I know there are plenty of folks who had even more fun in 3rd year after they had secured articling positions). I imagine it’s similar to most other law schools, but the law school was referred to as “Weldon High” - in that there was plenty of (mostly friendly) gossip and relationships. There was very little mingling with other graduate or professional faculties and most folks just kept to law specific clubs or intramural teams. One of my favourite parts of law school was playing intramural ice hockey and the law school also had pick-up hockey every Thursday night. Not sure if they still do that as the arena was torn down in 2012. I did the Legal Aid clinic in my third year. Some people loved the experience, I personally found it more of a neutral experience. It gave me a great appreciation of those lawyers who practice legal aid, family law, poverty law etc. but also allowed me to determine that that type of law isn’t for me. If I have one regret it’s that I wasn’t able to take advantage of the numerous international exchange programs that Dal has (had?). Financially I probably wasn’t in a situation where that would have been feasible, but still something that I perhaps should have tried to plan for. After graduation, my classmates scattered all across the country. That is the great thing about Dal - it truly is a national school. I have friends and classmates at law firms from Victoria, BC to St. John’s NL. There are plenty of Dal grads and articling students in Vancouver, Calgary, The Territories, Toronto, Ottawa and Atlantic Canada (I'm sure there are some in Sask, MB and rural Ontario, but less so). Plenty of firms came to OCIs and it didn’t seem like to much of a hurdle for classmates to get articles in the province that they wanted. For some folks, it almost seemed like it may have been easier as law firms do like to mix up their incoming students from different schools and there were usually less Dal students applying for particular positions in other provinces. I had originally wanted to stay in Halifax. It’s a lovely city. I was fortunate to get a 1L job at one of the larger Halifax firms and then stayed on for 2L and articling. However, the economic downturn was hitting Halifax during my articling year and more than 50% of the articling students did not get hired back. As I’ve mentioned in another post, not getting hired back was one of the best things to happen to me. Nonetheless, it did pose a challenge. I loved my time in Halifax. But, while I’m hoping things have gotten better, once you leave the university environment, Halifax was quite xenophobic. Even though I had been in Halifax for over 4 years, I was still from ‘away’. I don’t think that played a role in not getting hired back after articling, but it did play a role in determining where I would focus my job search. Smaller firms in Nova Scotia weren’t super keen on hiring an Ontario boy and truthfully, the starting associate salaries at Halifax firms were just way too low. While definitely less expensive than Vancouver or Toronto, Halifax isn’t that cheap a place to live. At the time, associate salaries were anywhere from 50%-65% of salaries in other provinces. I was lucky that I was able to find a job in BC with my previous background. Staying in Halifax would have been a challenge. There are definitely a few of my classmates from ‘away’ that were able to make a go of it in Halifax, but it was harder than I thought it would be. I think back on my Dal days very fondly. On a very regular basis I’ll get together with old classmates for coffee. The best is when you unexpectedly run into an old classmate at various airports or conferences as has happened a number of times over the years. I couldn’t say Dal was ‘better’ or ‘worse’ than other law schools but it was overall a positive experience. So, not sure how helpful these thoughts are, but hopefully it’ll help someone with their decision. Cheers!
  39. 1 point
    I did 5 years in a big firm and am now in house. I am much happier with my current job, which pays around $200K for pretty 9-5:30ish hours, but I could never have gotten it without the big firm experience. I take a bit of work home with me some evenings, but have probably been at the office past 7:00 in the evening between 5-10 times in the four years since I went in-house. The firm job will probably open more opportunities like that for you long-term. When I was at the firm, I worked 45-50 hours most weeks, with some insane variation from time to time, and usually docketed around 1700-1750 billable hours. I would say 9-7 will get you closer to 1700 than to 1800 in most practice areas. But it depends on your non-billables and your efficiency.
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    U of T Osgoode McGill UBC Western Queen's Ottawa Alberta Calgary Dalhousie The Rest This is my own personal ranking of Canadian Law Schools. Is this in anyway scientific? No.
  41. 1 point
    He certainly writes a lot of op-eds!
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    @Jethro - not every student is interested in visiting a country that oppresses the very people the Israelis stole the land from. Long live Palestine! Incoming students: Boycott the annual 1L trip to this apartheid country!
  43. 1 point
    There are perfectly legit, personal reasons for choosing Osgoode over UBC. Maybe you're open to working in Toronto. Maybe you want a change of scenery (I actually almost chose UBC for this reason). If those things are worth the difference in tuition and hassle for you, then who are we to judge? But that's entirely different from basing your decision on a factor which doesn't actually exist to the extent your non-lawyer relatives may think it does.
  44. 1 point
    Editing is a wonderful thing. The biggest mistake you can make is thinking your first draft is your final product. Throwing down a ton of ideas quickly is a great first draft. Then you go back over it. Your first great idea might have been a muddled version of the fourth great idea, which is much better articulated. Your second great idea might be taken directly from another source that you need to attribute. Your third great idea might not be great at all because you misread the question. Going back to the question might make you realize your real focus is your fourth great idea. So you scratch the rest. Your ten pages are back down to three. This is your second draft. Now look at your fourth great idea more closely. Where are the flaws? What follows naturally? Has anyone tried this or argued this before? Get back onto Quicklaw or whatever online law journal and hone your search terms. Read more, research more, and lay out the remainder of your paper. Once you've done that, walk away, eat, watch the game. Come back. Re-read. Does your paper make sense? Hand it to your room mate. Can he follow the argument? Does it convince him one way or another? Does he have any questions? Revamp your paper based on his input. This is your third draft. Sleep on it. Next day, read it again. Tweak. Check for spelling and grammar errors. If satisfied, hand it in. That is your fourth and final draft. Too many people think a first draft is an essay. Don't make that mistake and you will be fine.
  45. 1 point
    After you lock a job down, you wind up in a weird spot where you're no longer actively jumping through hoops --- often for the first time in your life. Sure, there's hireback and partnership to worry about, but there's nothing you can do about that right now. A lot of people feel like their lives have lost direction in 3L because, well, they have! There's getting to be less and less you have to accomplish as you get closer and closer to your goal. The goalposts will soon change, but that won't hit home for a while yet. You're also going to have to prepare yourself for the real aimlessness that comes right after hireback. When you get back from your vacation and get to work, you realize: hey. I'm just... going to keep churning this work out... forever. Maybe in eight years I'll make partner, but that's really just a change in pay. Hm. That's when highly motivated individuals hit a crisis point, and after about three years they start to defect in droves. They're used to knowing where their lives are headed, how to get there, and what they need to be working on right now to get that done. You're coming to the end of that rope. The world's about to get a lot looser, a lot more unpredictable. You might work at a big firm, then go in-house, then work for a regulator, then come back to a big firm as specialized counsel. Maybe you'll be a deputy judge for a while and move to Calgary. School's over. Life's about to happen, and it's a huge, complicated mess with no prerequisites or cutoff marks. Some of your friends are going to go to big firms and you'll be envious of their huge salaries if they make partner early... but others will be in business and you'll be envious of their freedom and influence. Others will work closer to the community and you'll be envious of how much they enjoy their work. Others will work fewer hours and you'll be envious of their work/life balance. And you'll bounce around a couple of times to different jobs as you start to realize that 'prestige' isn't really a thing and you're going to have to decide what you want to accomplish and how you want to feel every day of your life before you die. Those are huge questions, and they represent the exact opposite of a clear path. Motivation is incredibly difficult when you don't know where you're going, where you even want to go, how to get there, and how you'll feel if you do. For the first time ever, you make your own hoops. And it takes an awful lot of courage to hang them wherever you want, instead of wherever you think they're supposed to go. Of course all this comes with a serious blow to the self-esteem. If you're not motivated to strive and accomplish, what are you doing? Who are you? Look at all these other people; they seem to know where they're going and what they're doing and are still churning away. Why am I not keeping pace? Well, it might just be that reality is dawning on you a little sooner. Fairly soon you'll see the end of all this ambition: the partner in the corner office with more money than Croesus, feared and respected within the firm and her niche practice of 80 other lawyers downtown... and that's it. That's pretty much where it ends. Some people also become frustrated, overworked judges labouring away harder than they did in practice for a third of the money. You've never heard of any of these people and likely never will. That's where this train goes. For some people, that's right where they want to be. For most, as they approach the stop they forget why they were so interested in going. Does that come with a heaping helping of insecurity, apprehension and lack of motivation? Absolutely. You're not alone. It happens to all but the most blindered individuals eventually. You can't have strong self-esteem unless you're doing good work. You can't do good work without motivation, and you can't be motivated if you're not sure what you're working for anymore. Maybe this doesn't describe you, but it happens often enough that I thought I'd take a stab at it. On a completely different note, for 3L, maybe consider an academic pursuit. I was a bit demotivated, so I took on a directed research project that I found totally fascinating. At the end I had a fancy publication on my CV and I had a reason to get up in the morning.
  46. 1 point
    I'll just reiterate that Dal does suck (IMO) but a solid majority of students do enjoy it, so your mileage may vary. The malcontents like me in the minority though do have legitimate gripes, so the experience can be very hit-or-miss:)
  47. 1 point
    Yes, by douchebags. Sincerely, Me Karl Albert de Pompadour von Zarathustra IV, Esq.
  48. 1 point
    An undergraduate degree IS university. It is the first stage. I did a Baccalaureate of Arts at Concordia before I did my law degree at McGill. The program is 90 credits, but I experimented with a couple of different programs. The program (like Sociology, or Business, or even Photography) takes 3 years to complete. I did mine in 4 years so that I could work part-time AND take extra classes (my GPA kicked ass, I just wanted to do more photography classes). A "major" is your main program of study. It's what you'll do many of your course credits in. Concordia, for example, offers majors in Human Relations, Psychology, Ecology, etc. A minor is a series of courses to get you an introduction to that field. It must be attached with a major, meaning you can't just take a minor alone. So, you're really interested in Psychology AND Music, you can always major in Psychology and get a minor in Music too. This still leaves room for a couple of courses outside your major and minor to take. This route is the normal way to get a law degree in Canada (except Quebec) or America. While Quebec allows you to do your first degree in law straight from Cegep, it is a route many would strongly advise against. Take the chance to explore a university's program options. Learn new theories and career options and see what you're truly interested in. You can pursue law school afterwards, if you're still interested, and will have much more choice when seeking out which school would be right for you. *Don't bother taking an additional semester of Cegep if you're keen on McGill. The entrance requirements are quite strict and they will look very negatively upon students trying to bump up their Cote R in such a non-transparent fashion. You will learn more and be introduced to more interesting and complex ideas in university.
  49. 1 point
    I came to law school to become mahogany. I think it's working...
  50. 0 points
    Woo-hoo! Having a really awful day today and I feel much better after receiving a Western admissions offer through the student centre! CGPA: 3.63 B2/L2: 3.96 LSAT: 180 Congratulations to everyone who made it, and I an hoping for all the best for those still waiting! ヽ(‘ ∇‘ )ノ
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