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  1. 5 points
    You aren't the first person to ask this...have a look at the other threads on this exact topic. It is also difficult to generalize what works for one person to other people or often to even know why one person is doing well and others aren't. I did well in law school, have read a million exams and talked to those students about them, and even I find it difficult to always know why some succeed and others don't. That being said, here's my top...probably more than 5 but less than 10 list. 1. Get your ducks in a row before you start school. Go to the dentist, learn to type quickly, etc. But don't spend time stressing about law school before it starts. 2. Don't listen to other people. Lots of people humblebrag about how little they are working and yet how well they are doing. Half of them are exaggerating and the other half are just somehow infuriatingly good at law school. Other people will go on and on about how many hours they are working for and you will feel stressed about the fact that you weren't at the library as long. Many of those people spent the majority of that time wasting time on the internet. 3. Eventually you might find that you can get by with skipping certain classes or readings, but start out doing as much of the work as you possibly can until you figure out what works. 4. DO PRACTICE EXAMS BEFORE THE REAL THING. 5. You might not be good at writing exams under time constraints. This will make first year difficult, but don't let it discourage you. In 2L and 3L you can do papers, moots, classes with assignments, etc. 6. If you don't understand something, go see your professors. If you did poorly on an exam, go see your professors. 7. Don't just bring your 75 or 100 or whatever page set of notes into the exam, regardless of how well tabbed it is. You also need a shorter version of your notes with just the key information. This will help you move through the exams quickly.
  2. 4 points
    Got the email just now. cGPA: 3.5 LSAT: 155 As a current fourth year at UofT, I'm honestly very ecstatic to be approaching my final days in this extremely unpleasant, money-hungry, apathetic institution. Good luck to everyone else and see ya never UofT. 😎
  3. 3 points
    Windsor doesn’t go by rankings. It’s more based on stats and who they think is a better candidate hollistically. Also, I called and ask, they are slightly more than half way through the applicant pool. So if you haven’t received a response yet, it simply means they have not reached your file yet. So I guess stay patient folks!
  4. 3 points
    See folks classic crazy Marxist students You be careful to what you say or I'll take your OSAP away!
  5. 2 points
    I think BC is worse for jobs, but obviously your quality of life will be infinitely higher anywhere in BC vs. commuting from Newmarket and waiting for death.
  6. 2 points
    Accepted in February High GPA Average LSAT Good EC and references
  7. 2 points
    I was waitlisted today LSAT 169, CGPA: 3.00 B3: 3.8 Mediocre ECs Decent PS Either way you all sound like impressive future lawyers and I'm proud to share the waitlist with each and every one of you
  8. 2 points
    Just got the email! Had very low expectations with this one so I'm cool with it. (Also already got into Oz so that helps) GPA - 3.72 LSAT - 164
  9. 2 points
    Yeee. Call your law society and talk to a bencher. You do not want to make this call based on anonymous internet advice. Since you are a lawyer in your own right you do not want to leave this one up to the partner. If shit hits the fan and you made the wrong call he will not be an adequate shield. Do your due diligence and make the call and take notes of what you told them, what they told you, names and dates - and keep those notes.
  10. 2 points
    It's not the schools' job to relieve stress, though. You want to pay more tuition so they can hire a hand-holder who has time to do that? Law schools are not going to keep you updated as to when grades are coming out so you don't have to check multiple times a day after exams, and employers are not going to keep you updated as to when they will be hiring. I know people who waited months or even years for legal jobs with government. Nor do judges keep you updated as to when their decisions will be coming out. So, get used to it! You have to learn to relieve your own stress. Start by not constantly checking your e-mail and finding other things to do.
  11. 2 points
    Hi all! I was a student member of an admissions committee during my third year of law school, and I thought I would share some insights from the experience that I thought would be helpful. They're mostly focused on your personal statement and references, because those are the parts of your application that are most easily improved, and where the path to "improvement" is least obvious (everyone knows what a better LSAT or GPA looks like). A) First of all, consider what type of personal statement you are being asked for. Does the school want a generic statement, or do they ask you to answer specific questions? If they ask specific questions and you fail to answer them, or you try to force a generic personal statement to fit the questions asked, this will hurt your application. B) If you're applying in a special category (e.g., access, mature, indigenous, etc.), make sure that at least some elements of your application indicate why you fit in that category. It's not enough just to check the box and then talk about why you would make a great law student generally. Those categories exist for several reasons, but two reasons stood out to me as particularly significant: (1) to increase the diversity of the student body and thus the legal profession; and (2) to give talented students who have faced challenges the opportunity to demonstrate that their "numbers" don't reflect their potential. Some students fit both of those descriptions, while others might only fit one. If you're applying in a special category, tell the admissions committee about (1) the benefits that your unique life experiences will bring to the school and the profession and/or (2) the reasons why the challenges you've dealt with in the past will not stop you from being successful in law school. C) Most of the generic personal statements that I read addressed three things: 1. Why the applicant wants to go to law school/be a lawyer; 2. Why the applicant will make a great law student/lawyer; and 3. Why the applicant wants to go to this specific law school. D) I would encourage students not to spend as much space on #3 as they currently do. Compliments about the law school don't usually get you very far, unless they are very specific to your interests, e.g., "As you can see from my degree in biochemistry, I am very interested in the natural sciences, so I am especially interested in X law school because it is the only school with a natural sciences law clinic." Complimenting the law school in general doesn't help the committee - they already think their school is great, and they want to know about you. Compliments that are overblown can actually hurt your application. If you say something about the school being "world-renowned for their legal clinics" when they are not that well-recognized, the committee will think you're blowing smoke, and it won't help your chances. E) As for #1 and #2, the most important thing to do is to provide meaningful examples. The admissions committee is made up of faculty and upper year students. They want evidence or a foundation for your assertions. Bald statements that you are "responsible", "hard-working", "intelligent", or "interested in a career in social justice" will get you nowhere, because literally everyone is making those claims. Applicants that stand out have concrete support that buttress their most important points. E.g., "I have volunteered for the past five years for a victims services organization, and this has fostered my interest in one day becoming a Crown prosecutor." or "My experience working in a law firm gave me exposure to the area of practice I'm most interested in while also honing my attention to detail and my ability to handle a heavy workload." F) Always remember that the people reading your application will know nothing about you other than what is on the papers in front of them. They'll have your transcript, LSAT, personal statement, letters of reference, and the other documents (if any) that you were required to submit. From that they will form their entire impression of you. It might be worthwhile to ask a trustworthy acquaintance (perhaps a friend of a friend) who does not know you well to read your package and see how they would describe you based on that alone. Their answers may surprise you. G) There is no need to write poetically in your personal statement, and if prose is not your strength, you should avoid it entirely. It adds very little to your statement and can end up being a distraction. I also never saw a hook that worked, e.g., "it was a dark and stormy night..." Save those for your applications to American schools. Remember paragraph F above if you plan to use your personal statement to tell one story or are intending to build the entire thing around one anecdote. That will end up being all that the committee knows about you. Ask yourself seriously whether it will be enough. H) Use your letters of reference (if they are requested, don't submit them if they are not) to provide further support for the narrative you've built in your personal statement and other documents. The strongest letters of reference don't seem to come out of left field. The feeling that the committee should get while reading your letter is reassurance that their instincts about you were accurate; the letter of reference provides independent confirmation that you really are as great as you seem. It should go without saying (but sadly it doesn't) that your letters of reference should be from the type of referees the school has asked for, and should never ever be from a family member or close friend. Anyone who has known you since childhood is likely a bad choice. Those letters rarely read as objective accounts of an adult student's attributes. If you really can't get a good reference from the type of referee requested, explain why you were unable to do so. I) If there is an obvious and marked area of weakness in your application, e.g., an academic year where you did particularly badly, or a poor LSAT score, you should quickly address why that incident doesn't reflect your true potential and then move on. The committee will almost certainly notice a significant area of weakness and will wonder what caused you to falter. Don't make excuses, and don't take up your whole application explaining yourself. If there isn't good explanation, you'll just have to bite the bullet and focus on your strengths in the rest of the application. Keep in mind, though, that it's human nature for members of the committee to speculate to themselves about what caused your slip if you don't provide an explanation. That's all I can think of for now. I hope this is helpful and doesn't come across as a silly diatribe. Best of luck to everyone who is or will be applying!
  12. 1 point
    Status finally changed from Pending Review to Referred - admissions committee today.
  13. 1 point
    159 LSAT 3.4 with drops Just received email
  14. 1 point
    Des nouvelles de Norton après la deuxième ?
  15. 1 point
    Pas à proprement parler, mais ils m'ont demandé les coordonnées de références en lien avec certains emplois sur mon CV. Lors de l'entrevue de la semaine dernière, ils m'ont dit qu'il n'y avait pas d'autre étape dans leur processus de recrutement avant le 25 mars.
  16. 1 point
    That is correct.
  17. 1 point
    From what I can tell, being in queue just simply means they are reviewing your application or are going to be reviewing it. It provides no indication as to whether or not you will be accepted or waitlisted.
  18. 1 point
    Thanks Rick, I really hope you're right.
  19. 1 point
    Good luck to you too! Based off previous years waitlist threads your chances are really good. 🤞🏼
  20. 1 point
    I had a 2.85 gpa, 3.3 I believe l2, 157 lsat masters degree, work experience in a firm, internship with UN, certificate from duke, multiple ECs and I was rejected from western and Windsor already and I had extenuating circumstances for the gpa that were cited in my application I’d work on improving your lsat score
  21. 1 point
    From what I've seen you may have some odds at a couple of schools, namely those that put more weight on L2 (Western, Queens and Dal are a few that come to mind), if you had a better LSAT score. I agree with @NeverGiveUp 's recommendation of working on your LSAT score, ideally somewhere in the 160's. You can do it!
  22. 1 point
    Osgoode, Western and Queens: chances are very slim. Windsor: no idea. Get your LSAT score to 165+.
  23. 1 point
    There are a handful of "top-tier cash client firms", but if you're articling at one of those, you'll know that's where you are. And you are probably a top student ie. medalist or close to, have clerked at a top court, etc. If you're articling elsewhere, you're not going to get hired at a "top-tier cash client firm" right after you get called. So they are irrelevant to your debt repayment plans if you aren't already going there. Besides that, there aren't really "legal aid firms" and "cash firms" that I know of. Most lawyers are open to doing both, and do both. The reality is that most defence lawyers outside those very selective firms are doing at least some legal aid, and many do a majority of legal aid files, and take cash where they can get it. I don't know of many lawyers who will turn down a cash client, but cash clients generally don't just walk in off the street and retain random new calls or unknown names. Even in primarily cash firms, the juniors will usually be taking some legal aid files as they build their own practices. Legal aid files are where you usually learn the most, so you need to do some in the beginning. As others have pointed out, in criminal law, the end goal is usually not to stay in someone else's cash firm, no matter how "top-tier" it is. There isn't the same career progression from student to associate to senior associate to equity partner to partner that you see in big law. Most successful people will end up opening their own firms or joining up with others to own a firm together. Being an associate in someone else's firm allows you to learn and get some of your own clients, but if you're doing well, you won't stay there. And it's impossible to tell you what a sole practitioner or self-employed lawyer's income will be over five years. It really depends on how you hustle, what kind of reputation and network you build, etc. I know people who didn't last a year and I know people who were billing 200K within a year or two. It is an extremely entrepreneurial, self-motivated area of law. I have to agree that I am a bit surprised that you didn't learn this before accepting your articling position.
  24. 1 point
    @clevermoose my deadline was seven weeks from acceptance 🤔
  25. 1 point
    You cant do either of those without the clients signatures. So OP would have to contact the clients regardless.
  26. 1 point
    If you go away for law school, it becomes more of a hassle because you have to find new doctors, dentists, dog groomers, car mechanics, manicurists, etc., etc. Office hours are not busy during the term but become more busy before exams (although I still wouldn't say "busy").
  27. 1 point
    Definitely was not trying to deter anyone from UWO it’s a great school, and again that wasn’t the sole reason I chose Queen’s instead. I didn’t mean for this to turn into a comparison of the faculty’s ages it was just something I noticed, but I didn’t look into it that much and I’m a 0L so what do I know anyways
  28. 1 point
    Laptops are cheap these days guys. You can get one that suits your purposes for 350 bucks or less. 1500 means you're looking at a desktop replacement which is probably overkill for law
  29. 1 point
    Don't end up like these guys! Robert Findlay Law Office Professional Corporation v Werner, 2015 ONSC 2955 (CanLII) [23] The Law Society of Upper Canada guidelines reflect the long standing principle that the client’s rights are paramount. While the law firm and the lawyer have an interest in the file, and a duty to maintain proper records, it is the client’s file. The client has the right to be kept informed with respect to the matter retained. He or she also has the right to choose legal representation and to change at any time. When such occurs, the client’s file must be transferred to the new lawyer or law firm, subject in some cases to a solicitor’s lien. The common and accepted practice on the file transfer, as here, is for the receiving firm to undertake to protect the former law firm’s account.
  30. 1 point
    Just to clarify this statement, this is the first year that Queen's has placed more students on Bay Street than Western. Traditionally, it's always Western placing more students there than Queen's. Also, just browsing through their faculty profiles here, most of them don't look that young to me. https://law.uwo.ca/about_us/faculty/index.html https://law.queensu.ca/about/faculty-members Looks about the same. In respect to cheaper costs, the tuition is around 22k and I don't know how much financial aid and bursaries they give. Students have reported getting more money from other more expensive schools through bursaries and scholarships, so if anyone is in this same boat, it's worth considering as well. Despite the living costs, it does seem like you may save a lot more in tuition costs at UBC. Worth looking into.
  31. 1 point
    Je suis convaincu que vous avez donné le meilleur de vous même et que si le dénouement de la course n’est pas positif, c’est qu’il y a un autre défi qui vous attend ! Bonne continuation ☺️💪
  32. 1 point
    I don't think they're necessarily "waiting". When I e-mailed admissions to confirm if they accept march LSAT they said:
  33. 1 point
  34. 1 point
    never heard truer words
  35. 1 point
    It's a jurisdictional thing. Clients have the right to a lawyer of their choosing - that doesn't translate to firm. My clients are mine - if I left my firm, my courts would demand a form 4: notice of a change even if my associate took my files. Again, OP's partner is suggesting that OP stays on record - new counsel will always be appearing as agent while OP retains liability. That is a huge NOPE. Providence's response is the right one though. Client can make the choice.
  36. 1 point
    Accepted this afternoon in access, notified via email CGPA 3.94 LSAT 158
  37. 1 point
    Just got the email! cGPA: 3.52 LSAT: 156 Not surprised, but damn, that email oddly made me feel good inside? It was a nice way to be rejected
  38. 1 point
    Thanks! I was referred on March 8th. I was informally accepted on the 13th when they sent me the meet and greet email.
  39. 1 point
    The starting point of your analysis ought to be that all obligations are owed to your clients, not the partner. Right now it seems like you have that completely reversed.
  40. 1 point
    Any other news from the FC, folks?
  41. 1 point
    I work in this area, and the above is correct. Salary range is higher. Anywhere between 70-100+ k for a first year associate. But don't get your hopes up about working in high-end crim. As Diplock says, there are very few lawyers/firms that almost exclusively deal with private clients. Landing a job in this field is largely dependent on the right timing (i.e. if a firm is hiring).
  42. 1 point
    You gotta remember that Western has one of the smaller class sizes in Ontario, and we are by no means entitled to an offer. Getting above average stats is not a guarantee to anything. Obviously I'm not happy about not getting an offer before April, but what can be done? There is not really anything the school can do to relieve stress. Don't get me wrong, I understand the pain. Western has been my top choice for years and everyday that goes by I have to accept more and more that I probably won't get the chance to attend.
  43. 1 point
    Alrighty, sorry guys! Here is the new group link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2342552566030217/ . The Common Law Student Society had to make a new one! Join away
  44. 1 point
    At this point, I think you should take some time to reflect on why you want to go to law school. Is it because it's prestigious? It's a guarantee of wealth? It will bring you happiness? There is no guarantee that being a lawyer will bring you the type of life that you want. If you get into law school, that's great. But if you don't, that doesn't mean your life is a failure. It's simply a different path forward. You can try to apply again, or you can choose to do something else. There are people in the trades who make more than lawyers. There are lawyers who are absolutely miserable and wish they had done something else. There are also lawyers who are fabulously wealthy and love their jobs. It's what you make of it. While you wait, I suggest you come up with a back up plan, just in case. You will feel more at ease knowing that you are still working towards a goal. Keep your options open - law school isn't the be all and end all.
  45. 1 point
    Hey! I know many schools have barely even scratched the surface of their applications. There are still two weeks left before people have to make their decision. From what I understand, after that the schools will re-evaluate and send out more offers and waitlist spots. I got in with a 3.47 155 and thought I was hopeless, so just hang on! Also, I would also advise against a masters if law school is the goal. The only reason why I applied for both was because I had a genuine interest in academia and law and wanted to keep my options open. So, I would suggest that you apply for jobs anyways. It's easier to leave a FT job for law school than it is to find one after getting dinged. Keep your options open and don't give up!
  46. 1 point
    I'm in the same position as you and with similar stats (cGPA 3.32 L2 3.6 LSAT 153, 157, 157) and I applied to all the same schools except I applied Lakehead instead of Windsor. I also applied access category and have yet to hear back from any schools. I've also been stressing as some schools have already sent out rejection letters. It seems that planning my future is centered around law school responses. I'm currently working a part-time job and if I don't get into any law schools, I plan on applying for a full-time job. However, I am an anxious person and would like to start applying now but the problem is, if I do get into a law school, I would definitely go and it doesn't make sense to go through the efforts of applying and then training for a full-time job just to leave after a few months in the summer so my plan is to wait until after I receive responses before I start applying for anything. Like you, I also thought about doing a Master's just because I don't know what to do but then I decided that it seems to be a waste of money and I rather work some jobs and figure things out before either applying to a Master's program or before re-applying to law school. I'm pretty burnt out from the LSATs so I definitely would need a few more months before diving back in to re-write. My advice for now is to distract yourself and keep yourself occupied to prevent yourself from obsessively checking the student portals and worrying. I'm just playing some silly computer games to keep myself occupied for this long wait. I'm expecting to probably get put on the waitlist and have a few months of waiting with my stats. Also keep in mind that all the schools take longer with access category applicants because it's more individualized and considered on a case to case basis.
  47. 1 point
    Don’t waste your time, energy and money getting a masters just because you don’t know what else to do with yourself. If you happen to not get in this year you can find a part time job, improve you LSAT and just relax. Having a year off can actually be beneficial there is no need to get into law school right away. Also.... it’s only March. Still very early so relax
  48. 1 point
    Okay here are a lot of points: - Your scores aren't good enough for early admission to any of those schools - This is so early in the cycle for someone to feel down for your score because some schools haven't even dug into their waitlist yet - You'll be a waitlist admit if you get in, and that won't be for a few more months if I had to wager - You can still apply to masters programs. I know of some programs that still have apps open - Jobs? You can literally get a job whenever you want on your schedule if you're a university graduate. Wouldn't you be getting a summer job anyways before law school? Get a summer job, and if you don't get in then apply for full-time jobs in your field. Seems like you need to start thinking about solutions to your problems rather than how "terrible of a position you're in". Solutions will make you feel better. Cheer up and good luck with the admissions process
  49. 1 point
    Like many of you, I could not believe it when I saw it. After getting rejected everywhere last year, I wasn't sure if I was going to get in. I am happy to say that I was accepted today. LFG!!! cGPA: 3.62 LSAT: 156
  50. 1 point
    Happened for me as well - my highest PT was a 167 and was averaging around 164; I ended up with a 170 on test day. I chalk that up to taking the week or so before the test off from studying, and taking the day before the test off from work to get some BBQ and a massage. Seriously. The test is all about mindset and not letting your anxiety about finishing the section undermine all the prep you’ve done - so just relax ! Good luck.
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