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  1. 7 points
    Accepted via email & OASIS this morning! (Jan 19) GPA 3.62 LSAT 161 Completed Part B. Average softs. Will be accepting!!!!!!!! Can't believe I am making this post!
  2. 5 points
    Worst case: you don't get a job and you get some experience applying. Best case: you surprise yourself and get a job, and still get some experience applying. Your C+ might stop you from getting a job. Not applying will definitely stop you from getting a job.
  3. 5 points
    Anecdotally, a friend of mine got an LP in 1L and 2L and yet got a job at McMillan. The recruit is as much of a crapshoot as grades, so anything is possible. Apply broadly, network with people at the firms you apply to (esp. if they could vouch for you, articling students often have the ability to send an email to the hiring committee to say "Hey, this person is cool!"), write cover letters that tell the firms exactly why you want to work there and why you'd be the best choice, and polish up your interviewing skills. All you need is one interview to get one job, so DO NOT LOSE FAITH IN YOURSELF. Confidence is attractive, and if you can bring a confident cover letter you can get interviews. If you can present a confident demeanour at interviews, you can get a job. You CAN do it! As to addressing it in your cover letter, you could put a single sentence about it, but I wouldn't waste more space on it. And be very careful what you write about it. You should get advice from the CDO or others who have gotten a job with an LP on their transcript. I'm going to ask my friend if they'd be able to talk to you about what they did. Also, your peers say they're doing fine academically. I hate to be a pessimist, but there is no way you're totally alone. And regardless, good for them if they are! That means nothing to you and your circumstances. In the end, we're all different - grades, extracurriculars, personality, demographics - and all of that comes together in the job recruit, for good or for bad. We cannot compare ourselves to others, we can only think about ourselves and put ourselves out there the best way possible.
  4. 5 points
  5. 4 points
    I'm probably not the one to ask -- I only have a couple years experience in family and I washed out of solo practice... But whatever, I'll get the ball rolling. 1) Definitely do as much clinical work as possible. Client interaction is a huge component here. Other than that take property/family law courses? 2) Pros: Can be very remunerative, but only certain types/clients (more on this later). When the clients are good, they are the best. There is a practice style (focusing on higher end separation through alt dispute resolution) that is not horribly stressful. It's a narrow enough practice that it's pretty easy to grasp the basics. There's enough work that you shouldn't need to branch out. The law is pretty progressive -- and it gets a lot of legislative attention, so it doesn't lag as far behind common sense as some areas. Cons: Almost every style of family practice is horrible -- so if you don't thread the needle you will be trapped. I've never met worse lawyers than some of the family lawyers I went up against. They don't know the law, they don't want to know it, they just want to look like they are fighting for their client, so they are fighting you for no reason. Some choose family law, but many end up there as a last resort. It shows. Clients can be horrible, and needy, and they far to frequently think paying you is optional. It can be hard not to take it home with you. Most clients can't afford you, and you can really feel it -- it weighs on every decision you make. Finding clients can be tricky at first, so you take the wrong files and then you're not making any money and you have to deal with these clients and these lawyers and it can be way too much for way too little. Also, the industry norm seems to be a churn and burn strategy for young associates. 3) Oof.. not great? You are typically hired by the parent, and you represent them. They all lie a little so you never know if you're doing the "right thing". Good family lawyers definitely reduce harm to kids and that is very important. In the strongest terms, I urge you to avoid child protection. It is the most toxic area of "law" I have ever seen. It's arbitrary and unfair and you can think you're doing the right thing, but the risk of significant harm (no matter what side you are on) is just too real. I will never take a child protection case again. 4) Where you go matters. Higher end family shops, especially the smaller boutiques, can be pretty awesome. The happiest family lawyers I know started at small shops and stayed at small shops. Solo isn't ideal. These weird large sweatshops with impossible associate turnover should also be avoided. Look at their marketing -- the best firms are actually a little hard for most people to find. It's a ton of word of mouth or niche advertising. It is never too early to start networking. Attend some talks (with permission), meet some people. If they don't want to buy you a coffee and tell you about their practice, well, I don't know that such a family lawyer exists... So it's pretty easy to make friends.
  6. 3 points
    Any update on the index for this year and if it's gone up? I feel like we need a new thread cause this one's getting crusty
  7. 3 points
    I don't understand why so many people are saying no chance of in-person in Fall. I can see them doing a mix and giving students the option to pick. Some schools already did that this school year, why not next school year when a good chunk of the population is vaccinated? I'm sure at least some students (although a small portion) would be vaccinated by September if the vaccine timeline stays on track.
  8. 3 points
    Got the call half an hour ago. GPA: self-calculated at 3.78 LSAT: 166 Some tears may have been shed.
  9. 3 points
    They may be overseas and therefore a day ahead. Either that or Osgoode is hiding something from the world...
  10. 3 points
    Just wanted to wish anyone sitting for the flex today good luck! I am writing at 11:30, can't wait for it to be over. Remember to keep a steady and consistent pace - don't rush through the questions just because it's test day. 😊 We got this!!!
  11. 3 points
    A = Awesome B = Better than most C = Could be better D = Doing the bare minimum E = Everyone passes this class F = Fail Or, if you had Asian parents like mine: A = Acceptable B = Fail C = Fail D = Fail E = Fail F = Fail
  12. 2 points
    SupportCalc has the perfect all-encompassing answer, there's really nothing more to add. But the most important lesson by far is that "They all lie" and there's nothing more maddening and nonsensical to me than lying to your own lawyer... AND YET. Definitely do all the clinical work you can, so that you get a feel for whether your personality fits this type of work and client. Be ready to accept this inescapable part of practice: "Clients can be horrible, and needy, and they far to frequently think paying you is optional."
  13. 2 points
    When I emailed them a couple weeks ago asking what the admissions index was, Dailene replied saying to ask at the end of the admissions cycle. Which is weird, but anyhow 🤷‍♂️
  14. 2 points
    When were you referred to admissions?
  15. 2 points
    My situation was a a bit different, but for undergrad I was in a science honours degree that had a GPA requirement, but you were allowed one year that was slightly below and it was no big deal. I had 3.46 when I needed 3.5 first year (thanks calculus) and the coordinator just emailed to let me know that I had used my one “free year” or whatever and it was fine. Turns out this was reflected on my transcript as being expelled from the program due to not meeting academic requirements and then being re-admitted upon successful appeal 🙃. I was terrified it would make me look awful, but I got into my top school last week! I’m sure you will be fine as well, especially considering there isn’t any grades involved! They’ll probably just assume you weren’t into science then found something else you enjoyed more! Cheers!
  16. 2 points
    I only got an email from them confirming my application, said they will be conducting interviews early to mid-February.
  17. 2 points
    for the ease of everyone's reference, here are the LSO recruitment rules for summer 2021 positions https://lso.ca/becoming-licensed/lawyer-licensing-process/articling-candidates/finding-a-placement/2021-toronto-summer-student-recruitment-procedures Group A schools: Dalhousie University Lakehead University McGill University Queen’s University Thompson Rivers University University of Alberta University of Calgary University of British Columbia University of Victoria University of Windsor Western University Group B schools: Osgoode Hall Law School University of Ottawa University of Toronto Faculty of Law Law Students registered at schools not listed above or not in Group A National Committee of Accreditation (NCA) candidates
  18. 2 points
    Actually quite a few students do live close to campus! Specifically, in the Brentwood, Varsity, University Heights and Charleswood area! These are all within a 20-30 minute walk of campus. Of course, if you live near a train in another area, you can get to campus very easily. All these areas also have several grocery stores, pharmacies, etc., so you're never a long walk from what you need. I won't lie, Calgary is better with a car, but in my experience, so is Edmonton. It is liveable without a car though, which is all that matters. The craft brewing scene in Calgary is amazing if you're into that sort of thing. Calgary folk fest is a big event every year, and of course, there's stampede. I think generally Edmonton has more festivals if that's something that's important to you. I'm partial to Calgary because it is warmer, it is much closer to the mountains (even without a car there are buses, and I'm sure friends that would take you), has several neat neighbourhoods to explore (Inglewood, Kensington) and has quite a youthful culture. Hope that helps! Feel free to DM me if you want to know more about the city, just know I'm entirely biased towards Calgary 😛
  19. 2 points
    Accepted Jan 19 CGPA: 3.77, B2 and L2 are also 3.77 LSAT: 157, 161 Did not fill out part B
  20. 2 points
    Accepted Jan 18 but got the email this morning! CGPA: 3.80 LSAT: 160 Filled out Part B In queue Dec 14
  21. 2 points
    I haven't lived around U of C, but I would say most U of C students don't live walking distance from campus. If you live close to a train station though, you'll be able to get to campus quite easily. To answer your last question, I think Calgary's cultural scene is very comparable if not much better than Edmonton's, although I suppose that depends who you ask 😉. The campus isn't in downtown, but downtown Calgary/East Village is really nice, has great walking/biking trails, amazing restaurants and cafes, and a beautiful library too. The overall quality of life is pretty great, Calgary is almost always ranked in the top 5 best cities in the world to live, it's the sunniest city in Canada (although it is still cold), and there are plenty of summer festivals, with the Calgary Stampede being the biggest event by far. The whole city really comes alive in the summer. If you go to Olympic plaza on almost any weekend in the summer you will probably find a festival or event happening, and in the winter the plaza turns into a beautiful skating rink. Calgary's also great in the winter if you're into skiing (although that might be difficult without a car, but you really should go to Lake Louise/Banff if you haven't already!) I can't speak a whole lot on U of C as a school, but I hope I've at least made a solid pitch for the city!
  22. 2 points
    my dear friend you did so well on your other classes. Don't worry, you have the whole term next time to bring your grade up it's only 1 CREDIT remember this!!
  23. 2 points
    This makes me feel worse knowing that I got a good grade on her midterm haha. Is there a way we can request that it be included? It was one of my highest marks this term...
  24. 2 points
    I don't know about you guys but a large reason on why I wanted to go to law school was to start a new chapter in my life; a new city, new friends, finding new adventures, etc. I've been living in the same place for close to 10 years and things have gotten stale for me. Law school was my hope to start anew. Now everyday that hope is starting to get dimmer and dimmer. I will no doubt be very excited and grateful if I get in this year, but that excitement is not the same as it would've been pre-covid. Just wanted to share this with you guys and I am sure that others feel the same way. A sign of the times I guess.
  25. 2 points
    TRU Law is planning an in-person transition committee for fall 2021, so the chances are higher than 0%.
  26. 2 points
    here's your pat on the back. here's a lollipop. anything else you want?
  27. 1 point
    The points made by @SupportCalc are fully on target. I agree. 1) I heavily concentrated my law school course selection around family law. Like you, I went into law school with a family law tilt/lean. Here are the academic courses I recommend for your 2L and 3L: Evidence, Tax Law, Trusts, Estates, Mediation/ADR, Trial Advocacy, Family Law, Children and the Law, Securities, Criminal Procedure etc. (Try not to have Evidence and Tax in the same semester - I did that, wasn't fun). You will likely forget most of what you learned in school other than some family law-related courses when you actually hit first year of practice, but some of the experience of having conducted your own mock negotiation/trial will help lessen that initial nervousness going into your first motion/conference/trial. Courses such as securities, tax, trusts, estates, and criminal procedure are appetizers which will get you thinking about how family law can branch into other areas of law - especially when you have high income earners as clients. Get into family law clinics, mooting, or frontline volunteer positions such as the Family Law Project, law school legal clinic family division, family law moots, or shadow family law professors/practitioners. You will learn lots in these positions about family law and about yourself, as well as demonstrate interest on a cover letter later on when applying to family law firms. 2) Pros: You will almost never run out of work if you establish a good reputation among the legal community as a conscientious, ethical, and competent family law lawyer. Giving discounts here and there (e.g. waived consultation fees) also will encourage others to refer you clients. A sub-group of the general public is always looking for family law advice because of a bad divorce or new issues that have arisen due to their children growing older or re-partnering (e.g. marrying a new love interest). The Family Law Rules in Ontario are pretty intuitive and easy to understand (much logical than the Rules of Civil Procedure) because the former was created to assist self-reps and unreps in court. Flexible work hours - Many family law firms in rural/suburban locations have flexible work hours and manageable billable targets (1200+ to 1400+). Ability to choose the file you want to take - Some firms do not take legal aid/child protection/high conflict files. These files tend to the more difficult end of all family law files and they can be mentally taxing and emotionally draining. You can absolutely be your own boss as a solo practitioner or make a new firm with a former work colleague - It will be hard at first, but just be current with the law and establish a good reputation in the community. Some people actually appreciate your effort even when you don't get the best results. This will be their first time they are being heard and given a fair hearing. Cons: Personal safety - your clients or their ex might threaten you and act upon it. There are certain personality types which are difficult to please and always felt like they have been victimized. Not surprisingly, they are going through a divorce. Emotionally taxing. You can "take the work home" often because this area of law is so visceral. Clients gaslight you all the time, whether intentionally or unintentionally with "I never said that, you remembered it wrong, how could you forget?" It is so easy to get sucked in and lose your objectivity. Losing when you think you are in the "right" - judges might not see the family dynamic and the best cure the same way as you do. Relatively lower salary compared to other areas of law - This is related to your client's ability to pay - unless you are Downtown Toronto or Bay St handling all high value clients at a top firm. Lack of Mentorship - Until you are lucky enough to article at one of the few firms where the partner/senior associate don't see you as a notetaker or basic drafters (who actually wants to teach you and prepare you for practice), you will likely enter this field with little to no knowledge of the law/best practices/self-protection techniques etc. A lot of us learn from bruises and crushed spirits. The first few years hit hard. 3) Try not to get your expectations so high about protecting the children. Most of the damage done to the children came/would come from parents. In day-to-day general family law practice, you almost never get to see the clients' kids. When you need an older child's input, there is the Office of the Children Lawyer with assigned professional social workers who can provide you with a report. Also keep in mind that they are not your kids. Therefore, a lot of their traumatic/questionable behavior come from their parents and there is nothing you can do about it. Focus on making the parents' divorce "less awful" because every dollar saved from a lawyer is a dollar that can be put towards a child. 4) WHERE YOU GO/ARTICLE WILL ABSOLUTELY MATTER (Emphasis mine). This is the only point I will repeat. DO. NOT. WORK. FOR. A. REVOLVING. DOOR. FAMILY. FIRM. (full stop). A revolving door firm is a firm where the management has a history of not being able to retain associates. The revolving door nature suggests that there are chronic internal issues such as a toxic personality, less-than-ethical legal practices, high workload little pay, apathy in the ranks, or overemphasis on billing. A hallmark is the constant changes in staff, especially among junior associates. Family law can attract some serious LAWPRO claims (e.g. negligence claims). You don't want to be that junior lawyer who is so overworked that you could miss deadlines and due diligence requirements. You should shadow a senior family law lawyer who can explain why certain things are done a certain way. Protect yourself before you protect your clients. Your work colleague and environment can break or save your practice. Some firms will not stick behind their associates or provide perspective/mental health support during times when you are in crisis. Your fellow family law associates at your firm are your best friends at work for a second opinion. They should never be your rivals. Money is not everything. Your mental health matters more than what your boss thinks of you or that bonus. You need that perspective outside of work. Let me send this message home by saying that I rather give up my license than work for some family law firms. @artsydorkOff to you.
  28. 1 point
    Not sure if this has changed in the last few years, but I don’t remember NPSIA being overly difficult to get in, especially for people who can get admitted into the Common Law program. I had friends with very average undergrad grades who got in generally (i.e. outside an application to law school). Ottawa has a strength in international law for sure, probably one of the best course selections in that vein in the country. Mix of human rights or public international law courses and international economic law courses. As far as I’m aware, GAC does not hire articling students, though it’s possible they have in the past, and I have heard from a GAC lawyer you can get asked to be placed there as part of the legal excellence program, which is the DOJ’s hiring process for articling in Ottawa. Not sure if that’s true or if it’s how you do it; none of my friends who did legal excellence had heard of that happening. GAC’s Trade Law Bureau (JLT) does hire summer students for fairly lucrative summer positions, but they don’t do articling. Legal excellence has pretty high grade requirements generally speaking. I know GAC and JLT do hiring for practicing lawyers. There’s also law related jobs in the foreign service if you want to go that route. They’re as well paid a positions as you would expect for the government. IOs tend to hire from prestige universities. WTO is maybe an exception regarding an option for international law if you’re into trade law, but you’d need real, practicing experience for that. I believe they also do some internships, but I’m not sure if Ottawa students can apply for those. Other IOs tend to hire from the most prestigious universities in the world. The IMF is particularly bad for that. Don’t really know about law specific jobs, but I’m sure they’re not widespread. Otherwise you have some NGOs like Amnesty International that hire; the Ottawa office hires summer and articling students I believe. Not sure how much of that work is international law. Other NGOs could hire as well. In private practice, you really only have international trade that does “international law” but the bulk of that practice is application of domestic legislation to international trade. But they definitely do some international law. There’s a trio of prestigious boutique firms that do this in Ottawa, two hire for summer and articling. Some of the large Toronto firms also do this kind of work. It’s quite lucrative, but there is not many positions available.
  29. 1 point
    My situation was somewhat similar. My first year reflects three withdrawn courses that did not factor into my GPA. I touched on this very briefly in my personal statement, but only in reference to having adjusted my work/life balance and study habits. Based on what I've heard from others, withdrawn courses aren't a huge deal. Additional context, I was accepted to Osgoode in December. My stats were 3.76cGPA and 165 LSAT. I don't believe you have anything to worry about. Best of luck!
  30. 1 point
    Exacte! Cependant, après avoir discuté de la réputation de l’UQAM auprès des personnes étant déjà dans le domaine, et cela à adonner que c’était des personnes travaillant dans des gros cabinets (McCarthy tétrault, BCF et Woods) la réputation de l’UQAM ne reflète pas la réalité. Beaucoup d’avocats veulent des étudiants de l’UQAM, car l’enseignement de l’UQAM est moins conservatrice si je peux dire comme ça. C’est plutôt une réputation qui est maintenue entre universités. Il y a effectivement, plus d’étudiants autres que l’UQAM qui travaillent dans les gros cabinets tout simplement, car l’UQAM est moins axé sur le principe que pour reussir « il faut aller dans un gros cabinet et faire du casssshhh ». brefff, j’ai adoré l’Udem et je pense que toutes les universités ont des avantages et des inconvénients. Il faut simplement choisir le type d’université qui te convient et non choisir l’université selon la perception des autres, car au final ce n’est pas l’université qui est important, mais tes notes et le travail que tu vas livrer à tes stages .
  31. 1 point
    Yeah I wouldn't worry about it - adcomms are people too, and they get that not everyone's gonna be in their perfect major right from the get-go and that students will usually flounder in the first year or so trying to figure out what they want. That's why most schools look for and value upward trends in grades, they want to not only give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to finding yourself, but also see that you adapted.
  32. 1 point
    Windsor's wait list is legendary...
  33. 1 point
    I was not in a similar situation the year I applied, though this thread seems to be an appropriate place to reiterate that when you enter the queue has no bearing on when or even if you will be sent an offer whatsoever. Some applicants sit there for months (like myself- I was in the queue until March), others never enter the queue at all. Osgoode has your application, and it will be considered. If your stats are adequate (the most important factor) and/or your personal statement and volunteer sketch compelling, you will get an offer. If not, then it is likely regardless of when your application entered the queue, you would not have received an offer.
  34. 1 point
    hold on just give me a few moments to pull up my contracts outline
  35. 1 point
    If its any consolation, based on previous threads and just word of mouth, you should still expect an offer at some point from Windsor. It seems like people who get on the waitlist early have a decent shot, a couple friends of mine were in a similar spot.
  36. 1 point
    Ahahaha I doubt you could since (I assume) it's been the same sheet for years
  37. 1 point
    I never knew about the 1L Midterm grade PDF sheet, that makes me feel so much better. Thank you so much, you have no idea how much it changed my view
  38. 1 point
    I worked on a remote basis as a summer student in private practice in 2020. For OP and anyone who might be worried about the uncertainties of how that works out, in my experience the technology set up was the easy part, as in the support staff did their jobs well and I rarely had technical difficulties, but unfortunately there is just no perfect substitute for walking by someone's office and poking your head in for a chat about work/non-work stuff. There were one or two lawyers who went out of their way to reach out and set up calls with me just to chat and get to know each other more casually, and it was super special knowing that they intentionally took time out of their day to make a student feel welcomed. The lawyers who assigned me work were very approachable and encouraged reaching out via texts/calls but I pretty much did not interact with lawyers who were not in the habit of working with students. My group chat with my fellow students was a life line, though, we watched out for one another and helped each other out with lessening the load when some of us were drowning in deadlines or needed an extra hand with specific tasks. That's the other thing with getting work assignments remotely, lawyers wouldn't oversee/overhear what their colleagues are doing in the students' area of the office and they also wouldn't be able to just walk by the students and see how busy/not busy they seem to be. The responsibility is on the student to assess their workload and decide if they need to de-prioritize and re-negotiate certain tasks and deadlines or recommend the lawyer to assign the task to another, less busy student.
  39. 1 point
    To add to @piglet2017 's list, you can also look into volunteering at the Barbra Schlifer Clinic https://www.schliferclinic.com/legal-services/ and getting involved with the Family Law Project through PBSC's volunteer program https://pbsc.law.utoronto.ca/family-law-project-flp
  40. 1 point
    Accepted Jan 13th! CGPA: 3.72 LSAT: 157 Filled out part B Worked part-time throughout undergrad, took relevant law courses in undergrad, had law related experiences, focused heavily on the personal statement Osgoode is truly a holistic school Best of luck to everyone!
  41. 1 point
    Fall 2021 - 75% in person Winter 2022 - 100% in person Barring some massive failure in the vaccine roll-out I don’t see a reason to have an online only semester. I personally think it would be safe to have students back even if they haven’t vaccinated our age group. The pressure on the hospitals should drop off significantly once the over 50 population is vaccinated.
  42. 1 point
    Forgive my ignorance here, but I was hoping someone could explain their reasoning behind why they think chances of in person classes in Fall 2021 would be 0%.
  43. 1 point
    I was but only for grad students. It was fine except that one guy. Andrew, you’re still a dick and I still remember you and I hope you hit every red light on your way anywhere for the rest of your life.
  44. 1 point
    Lets be honest. My reputation is already pretty sullied, so a few more grammatical eorrors, and repetitive words, won't do it any harm! But do appreciate the offer Happened in a reply under the Articling Students and Lawyers sub-forum. It was interesting because the EDIT button exited, was clickable, and took me inside the post to edit (EDIT button usually seems to disappear if a post is beyond time). However, after changes were made and I clicked save, it informed me time had expired (EDIT - To clarify the editing process was relatively quick so that was not what bounced it out of time). BTW intended or not I am taking your comment to mean I have carte blanch in post length (for testing purposes...) so now when I get carried away & people call it out, I can point them to here and say "Morgan said I could do it!"
  45. 1 point
    I second this. Specifically, my shoddy guess is: Fall 2021 being in-person at 0% and Winter 2022 being in-person at 99% (fight me). I personally don't mind zoom classes. I just feel like my youth is wasting away at home, but thingscouldbeworsesoIguessitsnotreallythat bad.
  46. 1 point
    I suspect OP will be successful largely because they have the business savvy to organize something like this.
  47. 1 point
    Did anybody else's status date change but not the message? :0
  48. 1 point
    Hi, so I fucked up my first semester of 2L. Basically have two Cs. Understanding that I stand no chance with the OCI, I was wondering if anyone could help me figure what to do next. I have always wanted to go to bay street but I guess that's a lost hope now. Want to work in business law but ironically, one of the Cs is for the business law course. Just really sad that regardless all the hard work, still ended up with such absurd grade. But yeah, any insights/feedback/etc. would be much appreciated.
  49. 1 point
    To connect the dots between these two posts, I think the clear theme that emerges is that there is an inherent asymmetry to the attitude that students (particularly BIPOC/LGBTQ students) bring to the interviews and recruits and the attitude on the other side of the table, i.e. interviewers and lawyers whose office you just walk into because they happen to have some down time and your host thinks it'd be cool for you to just sit down with them for a quick chat in their office. I can sympathize with the (likely white) lawyer who doesn't feel confident speaking about the firm's D&I programming because they are well-aware that in that particular setting, whatever they tell you about the programming can/will be taken as speaking on behalf of the firm and making an important impression on the BIPOC/LGBTQ student who has identified themselves as part of that community. And that's a pretty daunting thing to take on in a "casual" conversation. It is a daunting and potentially heavy topic which does not fit with the overall "vibe" of most Biglaw in-firm interviews/receptions/dinners, where the lawyers are likely just taking a break from their work responsibilities to have some low-stakes, fun, interesting conversations with current law students. And the student candidates have to keep in mind that being personable/outgoing/a fun conversationalist goes into keeping up the energy/flow/momentum of the conversation, which is a big part of that elusive "fit" being subtly measured and evaluated over the course of the candidates' conversations with the lawyers. From a pure interview strategy standpoint, asking questions about D&I carries with it a certain risk of interrupting that flow, which could hurt your candidacy. I think the best case scenario here, if the student happens to be interviewing at firm whose office is large enough to already have these affinity groups and networks in place, would be for the student to sit down with a lawyer who is a member of their community and have that lawyer speak (as candidly as possible) about their personal experiences working as a [insert identifier here] at the firm. That being said, given the reality of what legal practice looks like, I think most students who ask very broad questions about D&I based on very high-level paragraphs they read on the firm website are unlikely to receive satisfactory responses in the context of OCI or in-firm interviews. My advice for anyone who wants to broach the diversity topic during organized recruits is to do your research ahead of time and try to tailor your question to be more specific than just "what do you think of the D&I program?" and hopefully that will naturally lead to a segue of you being able to speak to a lawyer from the same or similar background/community. At the end of the day, you need to be mindful of your audience and the context of where the conversation is taking place. I know the old adage is that the interview is a two-way street of the employer assessing if they want to work with you and you assessing if you want to work for them, but the truth of the matter is that there is always a significant power imbalance here. Pretty much everyone when preparing for classic interview questions centered around "challenge", "resiliency", "weakness", etc. has to prepare and rehearse their story in such a way that it ends on a positive note of learning and triumph over struggle. It is not surprising that students from more marginalized groups or with more unconventional experiences would likely have to workshop certain answers more than their privileged peers, and would have a more difficult time recovering from less composed kneejerk reactions to certain questions if they are caught off-guard. That is, unfortunately, just another part of the extra emotional labour that BIPOC/LGBTQ students must face when navigating the recruit process, and it's not dissimilar from the emotional labour that BIPOC/LGBTQ lawyers often have to do when interacting with clients in their daily work.
  50. 1 point
    Does anyone know what the auto admit index is for Fall 2021 admission? I've heard in previous years that its been around 910 but I was wondering if anyone has heard for this cycle?
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