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  1. 12 points
    It's definitely not just you. I have a list of tasks and the bottom five may as well just be lit on fire for all the attention I already know I'm paying to them. While I used to be proactive and organized I am now a creature of last minute deadlines and court appearances in terms of actually processing workload. For example: I spent one hour this morning starting at 8am preparing for my one hour PreTrial Conference this morning starting at 9am. My call to the other lawyer at 8:15 went like this: "So, I just wanted you to know I've been working tirelessly on this file and I am going to CRUSH you today at the PTC." Counsel: "Oh fuck, is that today? What are we doing?" Me (reading off of note on file that I did not compose): "Two voir dires on search warrants and maybe a 10b. Possession live issue. Not challenging the PPT." Counsel "Oh yeah, yeah - right. I was just joking. I am very prepared. I expect you to BRING IT." Forty five minutes later, on the court record - Judge: "So uh, I need some one to remind me about the case synopsis WHICH I HAVE READ but I need to ensure I am not mixing it up with, uh, another case."
  2. 11 points
    You are so, so, so not alone. This is the lowest point of my (relatively brief) time in practice. Maybe there is some S.A.D. at play too... I just find all of this stuff around the pandemic so tiresome, at this point. Changing procedures is draining. Using new software is draining. Reviewing new information is draining and distracting. Seeing case counts and death totals is demotivating. Seeing what is going on in the USA - the greatest reality TV show ever made - is endlessly distracting. Not being able to go out for lunch and so forth as easily/freely removes sources of rejuvenation. Too many files in my office that I intended to deal with way too long ago. Too many existential thoughts about my career, day in and day out.
  3. 8 points
    gwvngjnfognmofc omg I can't believe I'm hearing back let alone this early I'm so happy right now . Just updated on OASIS that I got accepted LSAT: 155, 156, 160 CGPA: 3.71 L2: 3.7 Two years ago I started my lsat diagnostic at 140 not to mention I was rejected by every school last year so I really hope this gives people hope. If this is your dream don't give up. If I did it you can too, you got this !!!!
  4. 6 points
    I feel like my practice is slowly falling apart ever since I have been in quarantine. I am struggling so so much with concentration and organization, and just motivation in general. When we initially went remote it was ok, I felt like I wasn't as productive but it was alright. Then I had a huge, really time-intensive file blow up and take up all of my time back at the beginning of the summer. I was very stressed out, not sleeping, etc. I basically put all my other files on hold during that time to concentrate on this intensive matter, and I feel like I have been trying and failing at catch up ever since. I am starting to miss deadlines (not filing deadlines or things like that but internal ones), be slow to respond to emails, etc. just because I am feeling so overwhelmed and not on top of things. I get to the end of the day and I've only done like 1/3 of the things on my list and then I am ashamed and feel like shit and the cycle starts again the next day, but worse because I am already behind. I know that this is unsustainable but I just don't know what to do. A couple partners in my office have asked me what is going on with me because I am normally very on top of things, and I just don't know what to say. Anyways I am not sure what I am looking for, maybe a bit of commiseration or advice? I got in touch with a therapist a couple months ago which was not that helpful.
  5. 5 points
    Hello all! I just wanted to share a small success story related to buying a law practice, because when I was in law school and thinking about articling, the idea of buying a law practice wasn't on my radar. My story: I was a summer student and articled clerk with a regional firm, but my articles focused almost exclusively on insurance defence. I left after articles to do some paternity leave and to lead a justice technology start-up. As it turns out - - - the justice technology start-up "failed". That's a longer story, but back in September I realized that I need a job to pay my mortgage. What options did I have? 1. Get a government job. (It's not really for me) 2. Get a private practice job. (Possible - but I really wanted to be in control) 3. Pay the practicing fee + insurance and start practicing insurance defence. (Possible - but, even given my articles, still terrifying given the lack of mentorship.) 4. ... Buy a practice? ... where the practice area is better suited for a small or solo practice. I decided to look into buying a practice. I identified the 5 lawyers in my area that had been practicing the longest and sent emails asking about "succession planning" and hinting at me being interested in "buying" their practice. Four wanted to talk, and 1 said get in touch in a year or two. (I'm guessing - that even if you need to article - asking about succession planning and purchasing the practice might open a few more minds than just asking about articling). I met with 2, and settled on the one that was practicing real estate and wills & estate. I made it clear that the "payment" would be from future revenues, and that I would need some type of vendor financing. It took us about 50 days to sort out how it would work, and I couldn't be happier. Note: we both needed to get advice from accountants. I am now a partner, but have very little control over the business for 6 months. During that time, the lawyer and his staff are providing a ton of mentorship so that I can get up to speed in real estate and wills & estates. After 6 months, the partnership switches to where I control the practice and my mentor can practice as much or as little as he wants - with draws and allocated expenses attributed accordingly. The "payment" he receives is just set up as an entitlement to draw $X from the partnership over the course of X months - and I required that the payment amount would be dependent on cash flow; low enough to be able to continue to pay office expenses and draw a minimal amount. Luckily - it turns out that my mentor is awesome, and his staff person is awesome, and we're all getting along beautifully. Also - notably - the other lawyer I talked to is going to "walk away in June whether they have someone to take over the practice or not." The other point to note is that - - - older solo practitioners do not have many options to sell their practice, and so the market rate for law practices is quite low. In my mind, I'm almost exclusively paying for mentorship (+ some minor costs for precedents, business processes, office equipment, etc.). Hope this story helps someone that's struggling to figure out an avenue into private practice. Without a competent mentor, it's incredibly difficult. There is just too much uncertainty and risk to weigh on one person's mind. Good luck everyone! Wishing you lots of success! Also - I love a lot about the law students community - but in my experience, there is a lot of needless rudeness. For my own sanity - I'm just going to delete the post if people start being rude.
  6. 5 points
    I am really feeling this these days. I'm in house, so the stress is not the same, but I am definitely subject to the cycle of feeling a lack of motivation due to the lockdown/winter/etc., then getting behind on my work and feeling so overwhelmed that getting started on the backlog seems impossible. I'm not missing anything critical, but my responses are way slower than usual, which leads to delays and is probably annoying some of my colleagues from time to time. I manage to keep on top of it all by trying to do short bursts of high intensity work where I get a lot of little things off my plate (sort of like a pomodoro method, but often I can't even stomach 25 minutes of high intensity work, so I do 10 or 15 to get started), which gives me some momentum to tackle something bigger. I try to make myself one or two reasonable goals for every day that I really need to get done. Taking breaks to eat is important, and I find that when I'm sleeping better it's much easier (I have seen studies that say that being short of sleep can cause effects very similar to ADHD). Anyways, maybe some of these will work for you. But you are definitely not alone.
  7. 5 points
    Accepted this morning via email notification!!! LSAT : 170 CGPA: 3.7 In Queue: 12/08/2020 Completed part B. If you have yet to hear anything, just remember there are MONTHS left in this process and an offer is likely on the way!! Congrats everyone!
  8. 5 points
    This thread is no longer helpful to anyone, you need to move on. Please seek help for your mental health issues.
  9. 4 points
    Thread hits home, literally. I was going to post something, but somehow ended up taking a 3pm nap, instead.
  10. 3 points
    Like many others, I completely relate to the above situation(s). Last month was my most stressful of my career and I had a lot of thoughts about whether I could afford to buy a property and live in the woods and support my family on selling the timbers on-site (for real. Like, I was weirdly fixated on this fantasy). I'm leaving things sitting for too long, am not on-top of a number of files, and am taking much longer than normal to get back to clients. Things are better this month as there's less work, but motivation is still tough and I completely relate to feeling like I'm operating below standards. I agree with @BringBackCrunchBerries's characterization of everything as being just so...tiresome. The only good thing about it is that lots of other people are in the same boat, are just as tired, and as a result people are generally being forgiving of this right now. I haven't heard a lot of complaints about my response time because a lot of the people I deal with, including clients, are taking forever as well. Since I went solo, I've always missed being around colleagues during the day (having a fellow associate stop in the office for a chat, going to lunch last minute, having someone to bounce ideas off of, etc.) but I definitely feel this more keenly these days. I'm generally working in-office these days, so that helps a bit with focus but it's still lonely work all the same. This may not be suitable for everyone, but one of the ways in which I'm dealing with emails is that I'm just not replying at all. I immediately forward to my assistant and ask her to set up a call in a few days. By the time the call happens, the client and I both have organized ourselves and have obviated the need for a chain of emails back-and-forth that would have transpired if we didn't have a call on the horizon.
  11. 3 points
    Conversely, sometimes taking a weekend (or day) where you do not work is very helpful.
  12. 3 points
    I wish there was some class about running a firm. It would have been interesting to have a small firm owner or solo practitioner talk about administrative issues, dealing with conflicts, managing other lawyers, billing, and how you handle running a business while practicing law at the same time. It's hard to manage some issues when you have a FULL schedule. It's like playing the Sims... you want to keep everyone happy, you can't only work on your files.
  13. 3 points
    So I emailed them last night and they got back to me this morning. Told me not to worry about the dates as they don't mean anything but they didn't say anything about my application status. As of just a few minutes ago I am still pending review but hopefully this clears some things up for others!
  14. 3 points
    Sounds like you approached purchasing a firm very sensibly, with nothing paid up front and are getting the name on the door to stick around long enough to hopefully convince the clients to keep going with you! Congratulations, and good luck.
  15. 2 points
  16. 2 points
    This is actually not that different from practice. Lifelong learning and all that... a lot of the stuff on our desks = first time tasks or things we haven't done in a while that require refreshers. Just take a deliberate approach knowing that learning is often one of your tasks. Is this something I know how to do? If no, then you need to learn. Is this something I can self-learn? If yes then budget time to read up on it, if no then talk to your principal. Is this something I should self-learn? (if you can replace two hours of research with a ten minute discussion with your principal you probably should). A good principal will always have time to help you figure out if you should self-learn something or not. In practice this same cascade happens, it just happens less often as you gain experience and you're just phoning a peer instead of talking to your principal. Sometimes it's worse though - if it's very complex your peer might not even know the answer! And if it's a gray area there might be no answer!!!! Arghhhhh
  17. 2 points
    I'm in the same boat - SO has the office so I'm stuck at the kitchen table which is right next to the couch and TV. Means the computer is ALWAYS THERE! It's horrible. Big thing for me is that once I call it a day - the computer and monitor get shut off. Pile stuff at the side out of sight if you have to. It's always easy to fire up and be back up and running if really needed, but this way if something comes in on my phone that can wait, there's no "ok let's just pull that up / open that attachment and check" guilt due to ease of access. Also as mentioned try to get outside right around when you shut it down. The 3s switch from the desk to the couch seems nice, but I'm a big proponent that the "commute" home (here a quick walk for a few blocks) tricks my brain into actually switching over to personal time.
  18. 2 points
    Keep in mind that you only need 2 years of university studies to apply for law school. Occasionally, we see people with a high GPA and LSAT score get admitted into law school after their 2nd year. At Osgoode, one of my peers was admitted after 2 years college and 2 years university and they now work on Bay Street. As long as your university GPA and LSAT score is competitive, I don't think law schools will necessarily penalize you for having gone to college first. However, I think you'd need to spend 2 years in university and can't make do with 1 year even if you do get that many transfer credits.
  19. 2 points
    Thanks everyone. It is good to know that I am not the only one. I unfortunately don't have a home office (well I do but my husband uses it; his job requires that he have more of a "set up" with screens and charts and graphs and stuff) and can't go into the office right now. I was managing better when I was able to go in a couple days a week over the summer but that isn't going to be able to happen for the foreseeable future. I like the idea of implementing very specific rules about being on vs off work -- I had those rules when I was at the office too (no lunch break until 3 hrs are billed etc) and I don't know why it is so much harder to follow them at home.
  20. 2 points
    I feel the same way. I am so productive in the office, but at home things are kind of slipping and it certainly doesn't help when the news cycle is hitting me with all sorts of catastrophes and coups. Further, there are just SO MANY emails with people working remotely. I am sorta in the same position in terms of my to do list and responding to clients, but I've started to set small goals for myself/switch things up a bit: 1. Put EVERYTHING on the to-do list, that way I can cross off even menial tasks. Gives me a sense of accomplishment... 2. Bill 2.5 hours before taking a lunch break. 3. Don't spend more than 30 minutes eating lunch. It's very easy to sit on the couch at home and say "I'll get back to work after this episode is done..." 4. Take a weekend and get your legs underneath you. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get up to date on your files by just focusing on them during one weekend without any interruptions. 5. Set times when you answer emails. I like to do this in the morning. If I get an email in the afternoon and it's not urgent, I'll respond tomorrow. The afternoon is reserved for making progress on my files. 6. Close the door in your home office. Otherwise, I think I'm going to ask if I can go back into the office, lol. I really don't like working from home.
  21. 2 points
    Accepted Jan 11! cGPA (OLSAS): 3.55 LSAT: 167 Not sure about B2 or L2 Strong EC/work experience, average PS, Good LOR Western is not my top choice but still so stoked to be admitted! Good luck everyone!
  22. 2 points
    Accepted this morning!!!!! cGPA:3.57 L2: 3.77 LSAT: 163 In queue December 14th Wrote part B ECs were okay nothing special (volunteer work, placement with paramedics, jobs). I am a science student (health sciences specialization in biology) currently getting my MSc in global health. Quite surprised to get in this early with my stats, and such a low gpa. Not sure if it has to do with my science background??? Good luck everyone!
  23. 2 points
    I suspect OP will be successful largely because they have the business savvy to organize something like this.
  24. 2 points
    No worries, we'll get there in a few years buddy.
  25. 2 points
  26. 2 points
    A good portion of it honestly, is once you're in practice and deal with some toxic counterparties, clients, or opposing counsel, tough love here just doesn't seem all that toxic.
  27. 2 points
    Cold-emailing can definitely work if you do it right. I was looking for a job in a different city during my first year of call, and I cold-emailed two lawyers at big national/international firms and were offered jobs at both. I think the trick is that you have to genuinely be interested in the lawyer's area of practice or firm you are cold-emailing. Your email should be both personal to you and personalized to them. Otherwise I think it doesn't work and people's bullshit-meters go off. What I would do is not send an application at first, but email a partner at the firm and express interest in their practice area(s) or the firm. Introduce yourself as a student looking for articles, and ask them some questions about their firm and practice areas. Show interest and try to rationally connect their individual firm with your desire to article for them. It's a lot more work than merely spamming a bunch of firms with your application, but I think it has a higher chance of success?
  28. 2 points
    Both times I bought a condo I just asked my real estate agent who they would recommend. I needed a new one the second time because the first guy had been disbarred for mortgage fraud, so maybe not the best approach.
  29. 2 points
    Accepted via OASIS Jan. 11th 2021! cGPA: 3.58 L2: 3.53 LSAT: 165 In queue Dec. 14th 2020 Completed Part B. I am so incredibly humbled and honoured to have this opportunity. Always remember to stay positive and never doubt yourself or your abilities. For those still waiting acceptances remember things will always work out the way they are meant to be. Good luck everyone!
  30. 2 points
    If this ain’t it!! This is exactly how I feel. I don’t know whether it’s that the order of acceptances is completely arbitrary or that I’ve just been passed over/haven’t been evaluated yet/rejected already, and I hate not knowing. I wish we would all find out on like, one or two preset days, instead of this slow burn of seeing people get in and you haven’t heard a thing yet.
  31. 2 points
    Anyway, just call a couple of law schools and ask the question. Would you admit a licensed lawyer? My assumption is that they will not even let you in and this is all moot. You are a licensed lawyer. You would be attending school in bad faith - you don't need the education and you are already a member of the profession. Your presence would be weird and disruptive. The schools also do not need your money, there is no shortage of applicants.
  32. 2 points
    Again, this is all nonsense. You're a called lawyer. You had your shot at OCIs, etc. and presumably you did well enough to come out as a called lawyer. You need to move on.
  33. 2 points
    Accepted this afternoon!!!!!! cGPA olsas: 3.71 L2: 3.7 LSAT: 155, 156, 160 I probably didn't have the greatest EC's compared to others, but I was definitely involved in student society. I also wrote a unique statement for part B. I'm shocked still shaking was not expecting to hear back so soon. After almost two years of giving this everything I'm finally on my way to fulfilling my dream of becoming a lawyer at my top choice school :') Guys hard work truly does pay off, I got rejected from every school last year, started my LSAT diagnostic at 140, and had many periods of doubt but I'm so happy I never gave up. If I could do it you can too <3
  34. 1 point
    Hey! I received my mark for this class this week and wanted to share that while it wasn't great, it was nowhere near as bad as I was expecting it to be. I appreciate everyone's advice and support in this thread and hope that this story will help someone else going through a similar experience. Good luck this semester to everyone still in school 🙂
  35. 1 point
    I don't know if it directly answers what you're asking, but this is a very good @Uriel post on being a stressed-out articling student:
  36. 1 point
    I don’t know about the first two. But for the third one, no. Your score is valid for 5 years.
  37. 1 point
    My sleeping has been a mess which has led to a lack of focus and less productivity at work. You're definitely not alone. Be kind to yourself.
  38. 1 point
    Cold emailed my current firm during law school and joined the firm post articling. The payoff often won't be immediate but the connections you make will be important later on in your career.
  39. 1 point
    Accepted via portal yesterday, got the email this morning! quite surprised- but infinitely delighted!! cGPA: 3.6 L2: 3.77 LSAT- 158 (i’m signed up to rewrite this weekend…) Yes, I filled out part B! Unique & artsy ECs, but I think it was my PS that got me through the door. Feel free to message me with any questions you have.
  40. 1 point
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  41. 1 point
    Accepted via oaisis Jan 11! LSAT 164 Cgpa 3.63 Wrote part b!
  42. 1 point
    What I am finding interesting is also the fact that most of the people arguing about the toxic environment of this forum are law students and those not in law school, while most of the lawyers and articling students are arguing the opposite. There may be a power imbalance here, but also just the fact that law students/those not in law school often just don't like hearing harsh truths from lawyers.
  43. 1 point
    I don’t mean to call you out like a jerk (I genuinely don’t), but 0Ls like you and I shouldn’t be dispensing advice like this.
  44. 1 point
    Not to pile on (okay, what the hell, I admit that I am piling on), but this thread is indeed ridiculous. You want to minimize debt and live and work in Vancouver. This should make your decision obvious. If your concern is that at UBC you'll be surrounded by idiots like me and @Tagger instead of the brilliant scholars gracing the halls of UofT, well, that just means you'll do better on the curve against us simpletons, right hotshot? I'm sorry that the JD gold medalist, SCC clerk, Harvard/Yale/Stanford/Oxbridge grad profs filling the faculty slots at UBC aren't good enough for you to learn anything from though.
  45. 1 point
    Every university is different. Go look at what your university handbook says. At my last 2 schools though, yes, your marks could decrease after a re examination and that could mean a fail.
  46. 1 point
    "What's the harm in an inappropriate question?" is that it hurts particular groups more (e.g. in the case of asking why someone doesn't drink, it might be a neutral question to a guy who can just answer 'I don't like the taste' but it can harm the chances of pregnant women, those recovering from addiction, etc). They can't just shrug off the question as casual because it hits a core part of their identity that they might be discriminated based on. I thought this was a thread about sharing such experiences in the recruitment process. One other example that comes to mind is people asking me where my accent is from. I got asked this at nearly every firm. Someone with an upper class accent from a rich country might see that as a fun conversation starter. Myself or minorities conscious of their less favoured accents, not so much. In my case I actually have a hearing impediment that makes me speak funny, which others perceive as an accent, so another weird thing to be forced to talk about. As another poster noted above, so much of law interviews is conversation, and it feels like it hurts your chances when your conversation always has to be about your 'problems', which interviewers typically find really awkward to discuss once they've accidentally segued into it.
  47. 1 point
    This is a good idea. It is great to see a post trying to think through this issue and trying to think about how to contribute to solutions. My sense is that recruiters at big law firms tend to accept the existence of the "diversity problem" you seem to be identifying at the student recruitment level. The ongoing question seems to be what is the best way to overcome the challenge and to what extent will a given firm support a certain set of approaches over others. In terms of what I can share: I begin by noting that race/gender/class/sexuality often work together to shape a person's experience, so, sure, not every experience I mention or people mention can be clearly and directly linked to race alone as a feature of one's identity, but may also be linked to class. I note that in Toronto at least, and perhaps other locales in Canada, the data I have encountered seems to make clear that BIPOC are more likely to be from lower socio-economic class. With that said, here are some things that come to mind from my law school/big law experience to date: i) feeling like I have to exaggerate about the number and nature of the trips I have taken to contribute to a conversation about travel and/or respond to a question about travel. Moreover, on this point, there are some "white" travel destinations that are more likely to connect with the lawyer(s) you are speaking to over other destinations that are less frequented by white people (for e.g. 'i have been to [insert western European country]' 'omg me too' vs. 'I visited Iran' 'Oh...']; ii) some sports over others are brought up more frequently in conversation (e.g. hockey/golf) over other sports. It can be potentially said that hockey/golf are more familiar to white students than non-white. iii) the topic of "the cottage"... lmao the BIPOC death zone of all topics (source: my experience, my BIPOC peers experiences, and a viral tweet that read "Hey are you going to the cottage this weekend? No, i am BIPOC". This one is always fun since it seems to come up all the time. Lawyers chat about their cottage, students with cottages respond in kind, students without cottages or cottage experience have nothing to add; iv) alcohol can be a big barrier for non-drinking BIPOC... try being a non-drinker who is in a group conversation or group social where the topic of conversation is alcohol - i am a confident person, i also do not drink, i have shit all to say about wines/spirits/beers when the whole damn team is chatting for hours on end about a given alcoholic drink type (or the entire event is a wine tasting or cocktail making activity) - its not just about the internal question of am i being judged in those contexts, its about not being able to contribute and being excluded. Sure, the non-drinker could just choose not to attend, but also sure the non-drinker can lose a chance to be social and build their profile/relationships aka drinkers can have such opportunities more available to them; v) I have also had white lawyers practically ignore me and focus all the attention on my white peers in various group social interactions. I used to think it was always a coincidence until it happened so many times during law school events + big law context that I realized it can't just be a coincidence; vi) also there is something to be said with just walking into a room and barely seeing anyone that looks like you/walking into interview after interview without seeing anyone that looks like you/working somewhere with very few people who look like you... I do not know what it is about this that shapes the experience of BIPOC, but I can count the # of BIPOC associates/partners in my department of interest at my firm of interest on one hand and it isn't a small department. Firm-wide, there are certainly not very many BIPOC lawyers, maybe 10-15% at best. The higher you go in the ranks the less of them there are. All of my examples are related to conversations. I guess that makes sense since at the student level so much of your career-building is in the context of the conversations you have, whether they be at networking events or in interviews. A conversation leaves an impression on people. The conversations you have shape your reputation. Conversations can make or break your chances somewhere. Conversations, in short, are important and can carry a lot of power vis-a-vis building one's career, so good on this poster for creating space to reflect on how we can refine our conversations to be more inclusive. I remember how at one firm, McMillan, the in-firm interview process was almost entirely behavioural questions. That felt very refreshing and it left a lasting positive impression on me. I remember bringing this up during my interview. The lawyer told me it was intentional, they did not want to rely on casual conversation alone to determine an applicant's suitability and knew that it can disfavour diverse candidates. On the broader point of diversity in the legal profession, I wonder about the kinds of challenges that BIPOC (taking into account class/gender/sexuality) may encounter in different pockets of the legal profession. I am not well versed on the available analyses out there, but this report by the LSOntario seems to suggest that a proportion of BIPOC licensees from all walks of the profession encounter challenges as a result of their social identities http://lawsocietyontario.azureedge.net/media/lso/media/legacy/pdf/w/working-together-for-change-strategies-to-address-issues-of-systemic-racism-in-the-legal-professions-final-report.pdf.
  48. 1 point
    It depends... if you have a lot of As and A+s it might be higher. Plug in all your marks to the link I posted earlier and I believe you should get your exact gpa as per their calculation. Also if you’re index score is 79 don’t fret. Calculating index scores from previous years acceptances there are plenty of folks who got in with an index score below 80, including many non-maritimers!
  49. 1 point
    That water/coffee alone would be an upgrade from some jobs I have worked... lol
  50. 1 point
    Thank you! Now I want to go to Ottawa even more!
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