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    Some of the comments here are fairly negative, which may very well be justified. Although who knows what is going on beyond what they told you that made them flake out. Sometimes life really drops a shitstorm on you. Anyway, I'm not writing this to defend the person (because it doesn't seem like an acceptable situation at this point), but just to caution you not to let anger creep into your follow up interaction with them and even not to let it creep into your request if you ask someone else. I would merely tell the new requester that you had someone lined up well in advance, but that they said they could not do it very close to the due date.
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    No, I emailed and that's why I got it. They may send them today or they may not send them at all. 2 years ago they sent them the day before call day.
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    Expect nothing and maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised. Or not. But there are less than 24 hours left. Just let it be.
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    Sure, but as it stands, all three of your relevant stats (cGPA, L2/B2, and LSAT) are extremely low, and schools aren't going to overlook that just because of your extenuating circumstances.
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    I'll do my best to keep this from being a long and convoluted story, especially since I'm writing it by phone! What follows might be a bit syrupy, but I would have wanted to hear it last November, so here goes. There are going to be a lot of people over the next month telling you not to stress out over your first exams: that they don't matter that much, that a bad mark is not the end of the world. Do me a favour. Listen to those people. My first mark at law school was a big, stinky C. The mark itself looked and felt like an open wound from a shattered beer bottle. It was the only mark I had in my pocket as I went home for the December holidays. I got to listen to the lamentations of my classmates at the end-of-term party: "I feel so stupid! I've never had a B+ in my life!" "Well, at least it's not a C+, man, that would be a kick in the face." "Ha! Yeah, that's basically code for, 'get out of law school'." It was humiliating, depressing, and stressful in the extreme. Questions started to float, especially as my exam marks started coming back with Bs --- and those were the good ones. Was it a huge mistake to come to law school? Should I ever have quit that great job? Am I really so much dumber than everyone else? What I didn't realize at the time was that just like me, anyone else who went through the same thing was too humiliated to talk about it. But I wasn't alone, and these things do happen. Now, for the point! Most of you will do beautifully, and rock the hell out of your exams. That's what curves do. Almost all of you will ride those exams like an insolent mule and stagger lopingly into the ruby sunset. But for those of you that do start slow, like me, don't lose faith in yourselves. You got this far for a reason, and no one gets into law school that can't hack it. (Though whether they want to is another matter.) I promise, there really is such thing as a slow start, and you WILL get better. Looking back on my notes, I can actually see the transformation around Valentine's Day. You won't notice it happening, and you will probably still feel like you bombed your finals, but you'll actually learn a lot from your first term and turn out more awesome than you think. I got the word yesterday; I'm off to my favourite firm on Bay Street. I would have never thought it was possible any time last year, in the pressure cooker that is 1L. So please, do your families and friends a favour in the slim chance you're a slow starter too --- don't beat yourself up. It gets better, a lot better, and in the big picture your first term marks often couldn't be more irrelevant. Really. No, really. Shut up. Really. There's more than enough paranoia to go around in 1L, but the truth is you'll be exponentially better educated in April than you can be in December, and when it comes time to find work, people are going to hire you, not your transcript. So, I suppose, I'm putting this up in case anyone feels like they've had a catastrophe in January, or after exams. If you can't find anyone to talk to anonymously, please do send me a PM. People can go from the bottom of the class to the top. I know many who did, and I'm one of them. I bombed my first term, bombed December, and came back with enough rocket power that I absolutely shocked myself when our grades came back. Now the sun's in the sky and I couldn't be happier. So get out there and give 'em hell, 1Ls! You'll be amazing! And even in the off chance you're a little (or a lot!) less than stellar, trust me --- it's far from over, and the wide horizon is still swelling before you. Though you will feel like cat vomit ground into shag carpeting. That's just what's up, I'm not going to lie, but once you get over the shock, I swear: those exams have definitely not heard the last of you!
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    I have not yet had an in-firm... But showing up half an hour early to lounge around reception is just weird.
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    Don’t forget to write down the name of the firm you’re speaking with. Every year there are people who schedule interviews then freak out because they don’t remember which firm it was with.
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    It forces your phone to keep ringing until they hang up or you answer.
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    If you don’t receive a call tomorrow you have been PFOed
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    This is not what is on their website. Their website says "GPA is calculated using an applicant’s best two years of their undergraduate degree program at a full course load".
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    I wasn't aiming to persuade you of anything, simply providing commentary, as I have practiced in this jurisdiction and have some familiarity with both the market and (likely) these particular firms. Having said that, I can't really see what the "long term benefits" of merely articling at a national firm might be that could possibly be more important than actually enjoying the culture and people in your work place. I mean, you haven't mentioned specific names, but as an example, if a resume comes across my desk for a litigation associate position, say, I would certainly not give more weight to articling at, say, Miller Thomson versus, say, Farris (that would be absurd; if anything, I should have the opposite reaction). I simply cannot imagine a scenario where a national firm would be superior experience to a top regional (in Vancouver), except maybe if you were applying for a position in the US or overseas and needed better brand recognition.
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    One thing of note from people I know is that if your school didn't have OCI's from a firm you are interested in they may not send ITC emails and just contact you on call day. So have hope people!
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    Can you prepare for the question ahead of time? - or they just ask you right away and you have to answer on the spot
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    I have also heard of students getting "unlimited stop-time breaks" or something along those lines
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    Okay thanks, I thought they might be in-firm only. I haven't heard anything.
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    I was going to edit my post to say that if it's a firm that sends PFOs but you haven't received one then you're on a waitlist but if it's a firm that only sends ITCs, has sent them and you didn't get one then the most logical conclusion is that they are moving forward with other people.
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    If we havent had an ITC so far from firms that have already sent ITCs, should we still expect any movement or like a final wave on the last day? Did this happen last year a final wave before call day?
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    I can only speak for Ontario schools...you do not need to pay this fee. Your application fees are only the ones from OLSAS. They are the ones who request scores from LSAC and forward to the schools. Hope that helps.
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    Wow. When did they agree to it in the first place? I once wrote a full page reference letter for a student I TA'd in about half an hour without a template. Your profs reason doesn't strike me as a good excuse, especially if they told you they would in advance. You should press them, but politely.
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    also got PFO from McMillan today not sure what macmill did, but I emailed to restate my interest since I haven't heard from them, and the student program director replied to me saying all ITCs were already sent out and they will not be able to meet with me.
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    From speaking to lawyers at regional Vancouver firms, I got the sense that the regional firms are more impressive in the work that they do in the Vancouver area. A national firm might have a big name but will you be working on the same types of files at a national firm whose satellite office in Vancouver is fairly small? Will you get as much control as someone at a regional firm? This is interesting to me, because I have spoken with regional firm lawyers from all across the country (Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and some other cities)... and the ones that stood out to me were the ones in Vancouver. The way they sold their firm to me made it seem a lot more impressive than just working in a national’s satellite office. Either way, I walked away from most of those convos thinking a regional firm was the place to be if you were in Vancouver. You might want to look into the numbers and I’m sure it varies based on which regional but some of the regionals are nothing to sneeze at.
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    What a ridiculous thread/advice/analysis. You got along “much better” with your potential future coworkers at one firm, but dismissed it because of speculatively better exit options at another? You haven’t even been hired and you have already left. OK.
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    I want to take a moment to thank @ZineZ for stepping in a bit. I’ve been preoccupied and thus haven’t had much of a chance to respond to this thread for a while. I’ll have more time shortly but in the interim ZineZ’s got a lot (if not all) of the same insight I do into the process!
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    Its recording yourself and answering the questions! They have a specific forum you log on to to make the recording and access the questions
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    Also, the term for a sugar daddy who turns out to be not that rich is a splenda daddy.
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    Get a letter from someone who actually cares enough to write you one page.
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    Can confirm. We absolutely do care when you RSVP and then don’t show. Often name tags are made for you and some recruiters take note of who didn’t show up based on the tags. It also reflects poorly on your school because the tours are often organized by X student group at a given school. If we host an event for the Real Estate Student Association at Osgoode and 5/30 show up, the recruiters are going to be less eager to host your group in the future. It doesn’t seem like a big deal but people put a lot of time and energy into hosting students Just commenting now that I’m on the other side of it.
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    I go to Windsor Law. I had a choice between Windsor and UOttawa. Anecdotally, many people in my class were in same boat as me and also chose Windsor Law. There is someone in my class that made the comment how annoyed he was with everyone because so many people in my class chose Windsor over Ottawa, when he would have chosen in Ottawa in a heartbeat LOL (he loves the city). There were couple factors that led me to choose Windsor, including the fact that I do want to practice in Toronto after university (which is why I stuck with Ontario schools for applying in general). COSTS was a MAJOR FACTOR. Before school I was living in Downtown Toronto for a couple years, but I am originally from Windsor and grew up here, so obviously I am comfortable with the city as its home for me. I'm living with my mom rent-free, and Windsor's tuition is cheaper so I am saving A LOT of money. I applied to UofT and got waitlisted, but if I had gone there it would have been $40,000 a year, and I don't know if I would be able to justify that. Pace of the city was also a factor. Windsor isn't new to me so I do have an advantage there. But Windsor is a good place to be a student in. It's not as hectic as Toronto for example, and law school can obviously be stressful, so it's a good environment for me to study. I did go to school in Toronto after doing my undergrad here at Windsor to complete a certificate programme and I found it to be tough to be a student. I had to work in Toronto while going to school just because it was SO EXPENSIVE, and really struggled. Windsor is smaller and a more collegial feel, and the environment is not as competitive as other law schools, or so the rumours go. I am an ambitious person, but I wouldn't consider myself competitive with other people, and hate the idea of people trying to one-up each other. Of course you have those people here at Windsor, but I feel it is much less of an issue than other law schools. Also, as you can tell by user name, I am not interested in corporate law, or the typical Bay-street BigLaw firms at all. My background is in social work so definitely more leaning towards public interest (though i am keeping an open mind). Windsor is known for being the "social justice" school, and though you will of course have social justice and public interest opportunities at most schools, I really value the faculty wide commitment to it. The faculty are AMAZING, and so helpful and approachable. It's really easy to get to know profs, and they will do everything they can for you to succeed. I have had many opportunities here so far that I would be able to get at other school. So many alumnis I spoke to the summer before going to Windsor have all told me the same thing, that Windsor was by far not their first choice, but they loved their experience and were so happy they went there. I feel that Windsor Law only gets the reputation it does just because of the City of Windsor itself, not the law school.(As someone from Windsor, this city has many many issues, god lol) If it were in Toronto, or Vancouver or Montreal it would be more attractive. It's why people expect that Ryerson (which as a whole is "on-par"with Windsor ) is going to become one of the "top schools" just because of the Toronto factor.
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    The hiring process is generally a black box from the applicant side. There are things you'll just never know. My OCI experience is a counter-anecdote to some of the other posts but be warned it's dated by 6 years. Like you I transferred to BC, UVic in my case, after doing 1L OOP. My 1L grades were average (worse than yours IMO), I applied broadly, and received 4 OCIs. That went to 2 in-firms. It became 3 after I sent an email to one firm I didn't hear from expressing continued interest (something like: I know your schedule is likely full, however, if a space were to open up, I would still be interested). I had no in-firm experience, just volunteering at legal clinics. I think I had 2 lunches in addition to the interviews. 3 in-firms turned into 0 offers. Now that I think about it, it was a gruelling time full of never ending uncertainty. Looking back, I would tell myself, "You know nothing (john snow). First, you have a warped and destructive understanding of success and failure. Second, you have no idea whether going 0/3 means you dodged 3 bullets. You really, really don't. And third, you're going to find articles whether you want to or not." The last one is technically not true but believing it really helped me keep chugging along. Best of luck on your OCI. Remember to take a moment to breathe when your body stiffens so you can relax and be kind to yourself.
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    I am in Alberta. Although I don't practice criminal law, I noticed in the news recently that the Alberta government has promised to hire 50 new crown prosecutors in the next couple of years, to address high workload problems: https://globalnews.ca/news/5673769/alberta-prosecutors-overloaded-trial-stayed/ I saw another article, can't find it at the moment, but it said part of the strategy would be to hire several students or juniors, because you can't just hire 50 experienced crim lawyers as crown prosecutors at a moment's notice. This stated goal of the government may increase your chance of landing such a position after articles, even if you don't get any criminal law experience during your articles. Perhaps any litigation experience you can gain, plus demonstrating an interest in crim law (perhaps there are opportunities to volunteer at a clinic?) could boost your chances of finding a crim-related position after articles. Best of luck in your search!
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    Yeah, well I have a face for radio so I'm not sure how viable an option that would be for me.
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    You are ignoring my perfectly good and viable suggestion.
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    Getting a bank to give you 135k with no cosigner or collateral at prime sounds pretty creative to me.
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    betting it all on black and letting it ride
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    Accepted this morning with an email from Rose! Damn I've been waiting 4 years to reply to this thread. 3.64 with drops 154,157 LSAT NS resident Pretty sure my extracurriculars, references and PS would be considered strong
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    Basically what everyone else said. I think I eased off the gas a little bit in 2L and 3L --- had to, or I would have had a heart attack --- but my grades actually improved dramatically. I took more paper courses and focused more on making maps and doing well in the exam room rather than preparing meticulous summaries that I couldn't use in the only time frame that matters. Take some paper courses (if they're your strength) and get started on the final project right at the beginning of term. Do a moot and a mock trial. Do a directed research project. Stress levels will come way down and your grades should still hold steady. You definitely don't have to kill yourself with effort; everyone's right that we really only care about your performance now that you're here. But 10-50% of you aren't going to get hired back, and 80% of you are going to quit within three years of being called to the Bar. So... don't let your grades crater either. For almost everyone, these jobs are temporary.
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    When applying to Bay Street, if your lowest grade is in Access to Justice you're probably in good shape.
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    No they weren’t overtly indicating they were displeased with what happened. The reaction on the phone was enough for me to know that it threw off one recruiter. I was hesitant to even rehash the story because I don’t want anyone overgeneralizing from my one anecdote.
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    Oz got ITC's from them earlier this week
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