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  1. 21 points
    For those of us who are already forced, ethically, to do pro bono work for vulnerable clients, I'll lower any remaining boundaries and say this is a fucking disgrace. A fucking disgrace we all could see coming--but, nonetheless, a fucking disgrace. The reactionary bullshit of "Well, don't commit a crime then," is just too much to handle after a long and difficult week. I don't want to believe things are that bad. Though I know they are. My LAO clients (and the ones who can't even get LAO) are the most vulnerable and marginalized persons likely to die in the ditch they're calling home. To suggest that they set their own trials and advocate their own Charter defences and/or factual defences is a sick joke. I'm tired of this. I can see how my clients live before they die at 35. Hey, no problem paying a Crown $200,000 to prosecute some homeless and mentally ill person. But I guess our government draws the line at paying a lawyer (maybe even now a duty counsel lawyer) a pittance to defend that client. We'll see how these cuts shake out--what services are cut, what jobs are slashed. From what I've seen working in courthouses 5 days/week, there's no "fat." Maybe it'll be the entire non-CCC (i.e. refugee/immigration/landlord-tenant) wing. Who knows. I see duty counsel run off their feet in every jurisdiction. I guess we'll see. It's goddamn sad.
  2. 19 points
    associate: "sir madam" partner: "My lords and ladies" managing partner: "Your highness"
  3. 15 points
    Still can't believe it. Been ugly crying ever since I saw the email this morning. Still feels like a dream I haven't woken up from. cGPA: 3.34 L2: likely anywhere around 3.65-3.8 (I had a part-time course load a few semesters and also took summer courses so I'm not sure how they calculated it). LSAT: 157 (Jan.), 159 (March) ECs: Nothing special, honestly. Volunteered at a couple non-profits that worked with kids, worked throughout undergrad. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to know more. Filled out Part B. I was ready to move to Kingston in the Fall - I'd already provisionally accepted Queen's, but I will be firmly accepting whenever it shows up on OLSAS. Can't wait to meet all you lovely humans in September!
  4. 14 points
    Still in total shock, I’ve dreamed about going to Osgoode since high school! Accepted this morning straight from queue via OASIS, went in queue February 27th cGPA: 3.52 LSAT: 144/146/156 ECs: volunteer, work experience, two publications I’ve checked this forum and OASIS daily for two application cycles and my dreams finally came true, don’t give up and stay positive!!
  5. 13 points
    I love it when the students who haven't even started law school yet manage to agree with one another that everyone else on this site doesn't know what we're talking about.
  6. 13 points
    You're free to do whatever works for you, obviously, but to me this is the kind of thinking that has law students and early call lawyers relying on substances, developing eating disorders and generally just falling psychologically to shit. You cannot, you cannot, you cannot subject every decision you make, every day, to some kind of obsessive "will this help me get a job one day!" analysis. You just can't. For the love of God, join a club or don't join a club based on whether or not you're interested in participating in that club. Volunteer or don't volunteer for some rep position based on the same reasoning. Should you do some things in law school, over and above memorizing your textbooks? Yes, of course you should - but that's because I would expect anyone who wants to actually practice law would find that interest comes naturally. If it doesn't, you should be trying to figure out if you're in the right field at all, or perhaps angling towards legal academia (at which point presumably you've become more interested in RA positions, publishing, law journals, etc.). Stop thinking of this as an artificial process. Do the things that naturally interest you and your natural interest rather than the accumulated weight of bullet points on your CV is what will lead to some opportunity down the road. I'm further down the road than most on this forum, at this point, and trust me, it doesn't change. By that I mean, part of the justification used by anxiety-prone law applicants, law students, early call lawyers etc. is some version of "just for now" thinking. As in "just for now" I'm going to put aside the things that actually matter to me, and concentrate on doing all the things that I figure are going to help me get to X. And then when I get to X, I'll have all the time and leeway and money I need to really be myself and get back to what matters. Except X never comes. It never, ever, ever comes. There's always a new goalpost, always a new justification, always a new "just for now" objective, and at some point you wonder how the fuck your life turned into something you don't even recognize anymore. Be who you are. Concentrate on what you actually care about. Pursue the goals that genuinely matter to you, for the right reasons, right now. Because if you don't do it now, you never will. And believe it or not, all of the most accomplished people I know followed this advice, whether consciously or otherwise. Meanwhile, all of the people giving you this advice based in "the job market is tight, everything is competitive, do anything and everything you can to look better, don't waste your time on trivialities..." those people are themselves just trying to hang on by their fingernails, and the advice they are giving you comes in large part from their own anxiety. So why the heck are you listening to them? Anyway. Good luck everyone - whatever you do.
  7. 12 points
    CANT BELIEVE I'M FINALLY MAKING THIS POST. Accepted this morning!! 🤗🤗🤗 3.64 163 890 Walrus: Me Guy with Fish: UVic Law Admissions
  8. 12 points
    Accepted this morning! Over the moon excited. CGPA 3.12 L2 3.5 LSAT: 151, 154, 161 My letter was tailored to Windsor, i have strong EC's, two academic references, and legal work experience My second acceptance, I was admitted to Bora Laskin Facutly of Law on April 15th, 2019. I am a bit torn between the two, I feel as though Bora Laskin Facutly of Law has a very unique program, especially with the IPC program. I'm going to have to do some serious thinking. I also wanted to say that I have been a LONG time lurker on this forum. I bombed the LSAT twice and never in a million years thought I could score above a 150. I also was rejected from every single law school I applied to last year, and this year I received so far, two acceptances. Do not ever think this achievement is out of your reach. I was one of those people who would read posts like this and thought It would never be me. It takes hard work, dedication and discipline but you will get there. Congrats to everyone accepted and good luck to those waiting.
  9. 12 points
    Unless they paying your bills, pay them bitches no mind.
  10. 11 points
    To a degree, everyone has their own style and prompting anyone to adopt a style that isn't natural for them at all isn't helpful. I feel like the OP and I are extremely different in this regard, and so my advice here is of limited use. All the same, here's the best general advice I haven't seen yet. When you have the option of taking a chance or not taking a chance, you should take the chance. In other words, default to saying or doing things you aren't sure if you should say or do, rather than play it safe. When a job is yours to lose, that's when you play it safe. When you're one of 20 candidates for a few positions, there is absolutely no benefit to being average in that field. If you are a bland, average candidate in five different interviews, you'll get five polite rejections. If you're a memorable, risk-taking candidate in five interviews, you may say or do something dumb in several of those and take yourself out of contention. But you only need one offer. Sometimes the chance will pay off, and you're the applicant they remember for the right reasons. Look at it this way. The idea of "selling yourself" is so utterly fake. You can keep yourself up at night trying to figure out what the fuck that's supposed to be. Books on salesmanship and stuff try to teach it, like if only a customer likes you then maybe they'll buy your company's products instead of the next company's products. To a degree there's truth to it. But it's mucky and I find a lot of it is fake. Any rational person buys the better product, even if the sales rep is less fun to be around. But here's the thing. In law, you are also the product. You are auditioning not just to sell the firm's legal services, but to be a part of the firm's legal product. The people interviewing you aren't thinking "do we like this person" they are thinking "will our clients like this person - trust them - feel good about them?" That's what matters. Whatever the hell it is you do to make people trust you, in real life, that's what you want to bring to interviews. Think of any time in your life people have been relied on you. And if that hasn't happened before, start looking at clinics and other opportunities to create that interaction. Because that's what law is. You're the person with the answers, or the person who'll get the answers, and get them right. You don't need to be the most popular kid in the class to create that vibe. A confident nerd can lean into that same vibe. So can a quiet, bookish type. If you believe you're the right person to be doing the work, and that trusting you is the smart thing to do, you'll be able to sell it. The way you do it, from that point, is secondary. Anyway, good luck.
  11. 10 points
  12. 10 points
    ? We can't just jump to conclusions like this. I know so many people who got in with a 146, even. Leanne over the phone told me I would have gotten in if I applied last year, but this year more people applied so it was a tougher decision to make. Even if I have to rewrite, I wont. I wrote it 6 times already. I am waitlisted and I have faith. Be more open-minded, please.
  13. 10 points
    I over committed in 2L to a bunch of ECs because it seemed like that's what everyone else was doing and it was a major time suck, made me miserable, and I deeply regretted it. That being said, I got very involved in clinic work which led to summer jobs, demonstrated my interest and dedication to a niche area of law, and directly led to my articling job. I was a very mediocre student. There had to be higher achieving students applying for that position but I had three years of relevant work experience and a winning personality. My involvement also made sense in the context of my life story and why I went to law school. If I could do it again I would have just done the clinic plus something fun like yoga, or intramural volleyball or wine tasting or something.
  14. 10 points
    What I'm trying to get at is there are more helpful answers than just critiquing the question that was asked. OP has recognized that it's a hard question to answer, and that not every case is the same. They're not looking for a hard and fast rule or get rich quick scheme. As in my other example- finance jobs pay more than human resources jobs, but at the same time, a talented HR person who has a tremendous work ethic (and maybe a little luck) can make more than someone in finance. And, to put the cherry on top, having people work for you rather than working for them is bound to make you more money in any industry if you're running a profitable business and scaling accordingly. A medical school student asking "which professions make the most money", is almost just as subjective, and I'm sure some doctors would have cookie-cutter answers such as "well that depends on how hard you work and how talented you are", but the principles can be applied to give helpful advice at least. I can tell you, and I'm not a doctor, that a plastic surgeon who owns their own clinic makes more money per year than a general family doctor. Surgeons make more as well, and among surgeons I'd wager that heart and neuro-surgeons make more money on aggregate than ortho. With that said I'll acknowledge your argument that a talented and hardworking ortho surgeon can make more than a heart surgeon (perhaps they're business-oriented and partner with professional sports teams on the side, who knows). This conversation gets cyclical real quick. Point is that there's no need to be rude and condescending to someone who is asking a genuine question with less experience than you. Sometimes it feels like a select few lawyers on this site just like to argue and flex their muscles over small details.
  15. 10 points
    My best law school exam mark to date was one I felt okay coming out of, and then after speaking to a friend about it, figured I got a C or D. He said he spent like half the allotted word count for the fact pattern talking about issue x, whereas I didn't even bring it up. He was a smart guy so I was mortified. I ended up getting the second best grade in the class and he did poorly on that exam. Lesson: don't talk to your classmates about an exam after an exam.
  16. 10 points
    Accepted! Second law school acceptance! First in Ontario! 3.25, 3.73. 164, MA.
  17. 9 points
    This is one of those times when it's best not to be so damn sure about something that you clearly know little about.
  18. 9 points
    1. Accept Osgoode and withdraw from Queens. 2. Forfeit your deposit and learn why next September while you're taking 1L contracts at Osgoode.
  19. 9 points
    Not really. OP has an A-A+ average. It's helpful advice that people give all the time to the folks who lack perspective on their grades, and is a reminder to calm down and not hyperventilate about "going downhill" all the distant way to an A-. There was that one McGill student all over these forums who needed to consistently get that advice because she was having meltdowns about not having a 3.9 or something ridiculous. It is very much overblown that clerks have straight As, because straight As are exceedingly rare and not everyone with the grades to clerk wants to go clerk anyway. I personally would have had a negative view of any of my student peers that had OP's grades and described getting an A- instead of an A or A+ as "downhill" or having to compensate for a single B+. They get ostracized as the grade-grubby, gunner types that lack perspective. You may not like the advice, but it was fairly given to remind someone to keep things in perspective.
  20. 9 points
    When I mention that I'm a law student I generally get some sort of awkward congratulations as if I just cured the common cold and expect a compliment. After this it generally fades and people could care less. On the other hand people that know I'm a law student for some reason expect me to be some sort of intellectual genius in every situation. On one occasion I was made fun of for not fully comprehending the rules of a card game because I'm a "smart law student". Circle that square.
  21. 9 points
    Yeah. I don't consider parents to be stakeholders in the legal community either. Whatever the heck that even means. The idea that the parent of a grown professional wants or needs to be involved in their professional life still is frankly terrifying to me. If I had even the slightest idea that my doctor, or dentist, or accountant, or anyone else I rely upon still needed job coaching from a parent with no comprehension of those various jobs, I'd run like hell. And I still don't have any idea if we're talking about some real student who is on the verge of professional practice or some teen who'd be mortified their mother/father is on this site at all. Also, if you're a visual learner, I don't know what the hell you want me to do - draw a diagram? You still make no sense, whether in words or in pictographs. If you were a client, I'd still tell you the truth rather than what you want to believe. And the truth is, the only way to support your child in pursuing a profession is to do all the common sense things any parent would do on a very general level, and otherwise stay the hell out of the way. The fact that you're looking for some other answer is what's bothering you - and I don't lie to my clients just to make them feel good. Anyway, good luck with whatever. But seriously, on the chance you actually read this. I'm not saying "stay out" to offend you. I'm saying it because it's the same advice I'd give to a friend who was unreasonably involved in their kids' lives. Just because you don't like hearing it doesn't make it bad or insincere advice.
  22. 9 points
    @Alchi How does an anecdotal statement regarding a single class amongst access applicants by one professor warrant the conclusion that "[t]hey are definitely discriminating against Access applicants"? By applying for the access category, we are given an opportunity for entry into a highly competitive program despite (typically) having stats that are below the average threshold. The mere fact that access applicants have overcome certain obstacles does not mean we are entitled to anything, be it acceptance, waitlist or early rejection. I believe access files will take longer to evaluate as they must look at the validity of our claims and whether or not we demonstrate a potential to succeed in law school. With limited seats and more holistic evaluation, as a group, we are not being "shafted": some within the category with higher stats have already heard back. Yes, it is frustrating to wait and be ignored. I completely understand as I am still waiting on many schools. Nevertheless, your personal anxiety should not cause you to make a defamatory statement on a public forum. Try to be patient, happy that you are still being considered, and remember that your value as a human being goes beyond this process.
  23. 9 points
    Here’s the best advice I ever got and have repeated often on this forum: you get 24 hours to gripe or gloat. Then you have to let it go. The waiting follows the same idea: Whether it’s waiting for your exam results or the jury’s verdict, at a certain point you have to let it go and get a bit zen. Maybe start a ritual for yourself: go to a certain park and sit on a certain bench and chill. Go to a certain bar and get a certain drink and chill. Call over a certain friend and watch Netflix and chill. Give yourself 24 hours to think it over and agonize and then resolve to let it go. Ritual acknowledges and honours the stress with a defined outlet and a defined time period. Might help to contain it and be able to walk away.
  24. 9 points
    Accepted this morning! First saw ‘admitted’ via UWinSite, and then received an acceptance email at 10:17 am. I have been ‘Referred to Admissions Committee’ since April 17th; so I have heard back this decision from Windsor quite quickly. Stats are: 3.78 CGPA, 3.84 L2, 157 LSAT (an accommodated score), MA in History (A- average), currently doing combined Master programs of archival studies and museum studies (A- average), and very social justice-oriented ECs, i.e. volunteer at LGBTQ archives and participations in labour movements. I am so so happy!! This is my first acceptance!!
  25. 9 points
    Also got accepted this morning. OLSAS GPA 2.5, 153 LSAT, close to 20 years of work experience (FT/PT), MSc with 3.8 GPA, publications, research, professional seminars, entrepreneurship, excellent references and PS. Filled out all the extra stuff on various categories. Good luck to everyone waiting
  26. 9 points
    Accepted! Went into queue January 8th. GPA: 3.55 LSAT: 154 General category.
  27. 9 points
    Competitiveness as a best and worst, eh. Best when you win. Worst when you lose.
  28. 9 points
    No, it isn't. But if you live in Ontario and care about the rights of accused, of parents and children involved with CAS, and of persons facing removal / deportation, please contact your MPP and tell them that you oppose cuts to LAO's certificate programs. If you live in Ontario and think homelessness is bad, that renovictions are bad, that victims of violent crime should get compensation, and that those with mental disabilities might need help at SBT hearings, please contact your MPP and tell them that you oppose deep cuts to your local Community Legal Clinic. If you think that the justice system works better when litigants are informed and represented, please call your MPP and tell them that you oppose the cuts to LAO. These cuts aren't going anywhere. But most of the people coming to this site are advocates or advocates in training. So advocate. Don't duck and wait for electoral salvation. There are a lot of cases on the docket between now and 2022.
  29. 9 points
    Very true. As well, those in the law and order crowd clamouring for people to be prosecuted and to face the consequences of their actions need to remember that that can't happen if accused need representation and it isn't available. If a judge deems that an individual's charges are serious enough and they are unsophisticated enough (a Rowbotham application), if Legal Aid has refused to provide them with counsel, and the judge finds that the person cannot afford counsel, the trial cannot proceed until the state pays for counsel for them. As well, if there are inordinate delays in people getting counsel, the judge can stay charges for unreasonable delay. So if the government keeps cutting Legal Aid, we will likely see people walk on serious offences because they didn't get timely access to competent counsel.
  30. 9 points
    Just got the green check mark! CGPA: 3.32 L2: 3.5 LSAT: 149,160,161 Access
  31. 9 points
    Op, tbh, only do it if your gf is OVER 2 points above you on the scale, and has discussed marriage with you. That’s, in my option, the only way to rationalize it.
  32. 9 points
    I did not know I needed to explicitly state reasons to post on this forum - I ask because I am a young associate myself and I want to hear more from women who’ve been doing it longer. i want to hear their genuine experience without being sugarcoated for workplace formalities. As a woman on Bay St myself I find myself wondering what makes YOU assume we’re not? 3-5 years were in brackets as an example. Personally, that is my experience. I am asking how to balance killing it at work, as I try, and having quality time with my husband. I want to hear Senior Associates + Partners’ with children experience Reality is, on Bay, there are women, like me (thats what makes me assume), who want to make Partner and want to start a family and who may also be of colour and are more likely prone to code switch often. Side note though (I’ve been reading your comments on the forum for a while) I dont believe you’re on Bay St + I am certainly not interested in your male partner’s experience, so I don’t understand why you’re commenting in a manner clearly intending to undermine the purpose of my post.
  33. 8 points
    I don't want to get into the specific details of the situation under discussion, but I want to make a general point about how students so often misread the employment market, and this is a great example of how that happens. Applying for a job is not the same as applying for admission to a program at school. It's not the same as applying for an award. It's not the same as applying for accommodation for the LSAT, or from some office at your school. In all of those other cases and examples, the people considering you for admission, awards, accommodation, etc. are all concerned about being fair and objective. In all of those cases, the process matters, and everyone agrees it matters. This is not to say that bias and subjectivity are entirely eliminated. It happens, sometimes, and it's unavoidable. But the process is at least designed to avoid it and everyone agrees that's the way it should be. An employer doesn't care about any of that. They just need to get the job done. At a large employer you may have at least some cushioning from the immediate realities of the workplace if a decision is being made in a formal HR process. But even there, they're aware of the realities. At a smaller employer, it's completely in your face at all times. Speaking as an employer, if I'm looking at a candidate who has a sympathetic situation at home, I'm not thinking "what a shame they couldn't show their full potential in school" I'm thinking "how often is this going to fuck me in the future if I hire this person?" Now you can all yell and scream that I'm a terrible person for thinking this. But I have very few people to rely on. And everything my employee isn't getting done is one more problem for me, personally, to solve. And I don't imagine there's a single employer out there who is saintly enough to just ignore that factor and to hire the more "deserving" candidate, even though there's a fair chance the more deserving candidate is going to make their own personal and professional lives suck over an extended period of time. If you can't understand what I just wrote, or you think it's somehow wrong, it's because you're still thinking like a kid. You imagine the world owes you things, and it doesn't. I'm going to hire someone who will help me do my job and make me money. I'm not a social agency. I may feel personal sympathy for certain factors in your life. And I'm not saying I'm going to turf an existing employee the second they have health or family problems. But you think I'm going to willingly create that situation for myself if I don't have to? You're insane. I don't have a perfect answer for how to navigate the marketplace if you are dealing with factors like that. But if you at least maintain the appropriate attitude towards what's really going on, you'll do a better job of sounding reasonable, mature, and realistic about it. You never, ever, ever want to sound like "here's why I haven't been able to perform, so please take this into account when evaluating my poor performance." You want to sound like "here's everything I am doing and will continue to do to ensure that my personal issues aren't stopping me from getting the job done, and done well." It isn't a perfect answer. There is no perfect answer. But at least you won't sound like a kid who thinks that the coach has to play every player on the team just to be fair - even the ones who suck. The real world just isn't like that.
  34. 8 points
    I've wanted to answer this question sooner, but I have two predominant reactions. First, I realize that it's been a long time since I met many new people outside of a context that's at least semi-professional. I don't find myself standing around house parties anymore, drinking a beer in a circle of people I've just met, going "so, what is it you do?" Maybe ten years ago I could have cited a string of experiences relating to how people respond to my profession. But not anymore. I actually find myself digging for examples of how anyone new has responded to my job in a long time. My second reaction is, I actually met two new people on the weekend (friends of my wife's family) and most of the time I spent talking with this guy who runs an arts organization. Interesting guy. In some very tangential way what he does and what I do could intersect at some point, and we exchanged cards. It really wasn't a thing at all that I practice law, or that I'm in criminal defence. Although he sat on an interesting jury lately, and without going into specifics (which he can't do) we had an interesting chat about that experience. I guess what I'm saying it, for good or for ill, at some point your social environment narrows a bit and you self-select into relationships with people for whom your job just isn't a big deal. It's useful to simply be a lawyer at times - in politics, in certain professional settings, etc. Half of that is also just having any professional job and being a middle-aged dude in a suit. I don't know if there's a good lesson out of this. It's a very important exercise to remain conscious of how other people respond to you, how you respond to others, etc. Perception and privilege are huge factors at play, here. It's not like saying "I'm a lawyer" is a thing that occurs without context. When I say that, the most common reaction (based on dress, deportment, environment, etc.) is "oh, yeah." But try saying that as a young woman of colour. You'll get a different reaction. And since we aren't going to somehow eliminate bias, privilege, etc. any time soon, the next best option is at least remaining aware of how it all plays out. But yeah, it's a thing for a while. It's weird to think "this is who I am now, and it's how people see me." Then one day, you wake up and it's just normal because that's who you are. Like any life change - getting older, having kids, finding yourself in some unexpected position of authority - it's odd until it isn't. Though I'll admit, I still have moments when I think "I can't believe they let me do this stuff - if only they really knew me." But I've come around to the view that everyone has those moments too, or should. The Pope, the Secretary-General of the UN, our Prime Minister - I truly hope and believe they all have moments when they think "I can't believe they're letting me do this!" I'm sure Trump doesn't have that level of self-reflection. He probably thinks it makes sense that he's President. But that's a whole other issue.
  35. 8 points
    Yes I am satisfied with life, 9 years out of law school. In addition to work I make a real effort to stay connected with old friends and attend social events. I’m happy with my income, over 200, but I work too much. I advise people not to do it for the money but can’t take my own advice. Doing litigation problems keep coming up and people keep throwing money at me to fix those problems. I measure money in terms of the vacations it could buy but I just never get around to taking the vacation. I don’t think I’d choose to be a lawyer again given a second life because I’ve already done it. I’ve accomplished pretty much everything I set out to do, other than argue before the SCC. But if I went back in time of course I would do it again because I needed money and liked to argue. Other jobs I may have been happier in include actor or musician. I guess it’s not too late to switch.
  36. 8 points
    I don’t think it makes any sense for the OP to take a year off right out of high school to study full-time for the LSAT instead of going to university. That’s terrible advice - s/he shouldn’t even be looking at the LSAT yet. S/he should pick a college based on where they will have the best education and experience and not try to game the system as to where has the easiest marks. I would be shocked if several people from each of the schools the OP listed don’t get into law schools each year.
  37. 8 points
  38. 8 points
    The legal version of political correctness?
  39. 8 points
    [20] For the foregoing reasons, the Respondent submits that the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. Order Sought [21] The Respondent requests that the application of them bitches be dismissed, and that this honourable Court pay them no mind. All of which is respectfully submitted. Taylor P. Swift Swift Fake Legal Strategies LLP 181 University Ave, Suite 12000 Toronto, ON M5H 3M7 Solicitor for the Respondent
  40. 8 points
    So, here's my take. Is there stigma? Sure. Is it enough to prevent you from working wherever you want and doing whatever you want to do in the profession? No. In casual conversations with other articling students, I can tell you that there's definitely a sense that certain schools are more "prestigious" (read: difficult to get into) than others. And, honestly, to the extent that the name of your school suggests you had fairly high admission statistics, you may in some instances, benefit from some small, initial "assumption of competency" that another student might not. It's a thing. People from impressive sounding schools impress people who like impressive things. This is a lot of us. But this bonus - this privilege, whatever it is, is miniscule. The name of your school will not give you a meaningful advantage in actual practice, and is completely none-existent in a courtroom. Honestly, whatever privilege or stigma you have or don't have will quickly be earned or lost the minute you open your mouth. That's why seasoned lawyers can sour on UofT grads for example, while warming to kids coming out of the Windy city (EDIT: I know Windsor is NOT the Windy city). I've heard a few lawyers express these sentiments. Look, the "stigma" of going to a school like Windsor boils down to not having bragging rights over students who went to other universities in the province. There's a sense that students who go to Windsor do so because they didn't get into other schools. This isn't untrue I find. So, the UofT student gets to say to themselves "I could have attended your school if I wanted to, but you're there because you couldn't get into mine." It's an ego trip. And they earned it. And it's one the average Windsor student will probably have to do without. But it actually doesn't matter in the long run. I think the real question you want answered is whether this "stigma", however small, has any negative impact on the prospects of the average Windsor student. The answer is no. As someone who beat out students from every other law school for the position I currently have, I can tell you that firms hire the student, not the name of the school on the resume. Lawyers respect the student, not the name of the school on the resume. And clients depend on the lawyer, not the school on their resume. The profession in general understands that the name of your law school is not a useful metric for predicting anything beyond your admission stats. But if you ever meet someone in real life that doesn't get this ... run. They've got self-esteem issues and are going to try to boost their ego at your expense.
  41. 8 points
    You would be doing a great disservice to yourself if you thought there was really any stigma on any law school in Canada. Maybe if you were trying to obtain a foregin law degree would a stigma occur, but not a Canadian JD. I currently work as a legal assistant and will be attending bora laskin facutly of law this fall and I can tell you, not one person at the court house gives a damn where you got your law degree in Canada. All they care about is your work ethic, your intelligence, and your ability to produce results. There are PLENTLY of Baystreet lawyers who went to Windsor. Big firms do not really care where you got your degree from in Canada, they care about your marks. Keep your marks high, get involved with law school clubs, apply for summer law jobs and you will get the job you desire. Most people on this forum do not yet work in law and listen to these silly notions that get thrown around on the forum. It's an accomplishment to get into ANY law school in Canada. Yes, even Windsor isn't easy to get into, they have 2500 applicants and only around 180 spots. How do people actually think that getting into Windsor is easy? To be frank, it's nonsense. As I said again, keep your grades high, network, join clubs and keep your face out there. You'll do just fine. Coming from a current Criminal Defence Legal Assistant, and soon to be 1L.
  42. 8 points
    accepted this morning via email after an interview LSAT - 158 cGPA - 3.43 which includes 2.5 undergrads. I screwed up in my first undergrad. Last 2 is nearly perfect GPA Strong references. Truly shows that Osgoode is a holistic school Went into the queue on December 3 and first notice of interview on April 1
  43. 8 points
    Lol after all that complaining you may not go? Forfeiting $500 for your top choice isnt a big deal, happens all the time.
  44. 8 points
    That’s irrelevant. He submitted an application and paid an application fee for Queen’s, and it’s been a long while. So, it’s a fair question.
  45. 8 points
    The same as everyone else, I assume! I submitted my applications through OLSAS with my personal statement, references, resume, etc. You don't actually have to put anything in the transcript section in order to submit an application. Toronto rejected me outright, which was no surprise because they say on their website that in the past 10 years they haven't accepted anyone who doesn't have at least 2 years of an undergrad. But then Osgoode invited me for an interview, which is apparently pretty common for mature students, and it went very well, in my view, and then they accepted me. Which is nice, because if I hadn't gotten into law school, my next step was to get my two years of undergrad and apply again. I'd actually also applied and been accepted to Brock University, they were my backup plan and luckily I got to reject their offer in favour of Osgoode's.
  46. 8 points
    Truthfully, no one should be getting advice from here.
  47. 8 points
    I’m sick and tired of this sentiment. I’m a crown and I divert every single file that I can. No record, minor record, dated record- diverted. First time domestics in my jurisdiction are almost always screened for early intervention and a conditional discharge. Impaireds we can’t divert- but maybe B.C. has it figured out the best by going with a provincial offence ticket for first timers Yeah maybe it seems mean to send a drug addict to jail for 90 days for stealing $500 worth of copper wire. On the other hand, what do you say to a business owner who’s had 8+ break ins over the past year, costing him 10s of thousands of dollars in repairs and losses. The truly unfortunate thing is that jail sentences for these types of repeat offenders aren’t long enough to get them the help they need to have some meaningful rehabilitation. 30-90 jail stints are mostly useless, but unfortunately that’s what those crimes are worth. Its Really sad but I’ve got to the point where I’ll recommend the release of someone that I know will commit further crimes. I know they will be back in custody. I do it because I hope if they get enough charges/convictions for minor property crimes I can seek a sentence long enough to send them to OCI or another proper provincial facility, instead of a shitty remand Centre.
  48. 8 points
  49. 8 points
    I worked for a few years before law school, and it was so much fun to focus on learning instead of working. It might be the best three years of my life.
  50. 8 points
    The people saying it are often the same idiots who a year from now will drink and drive or shove their girlfriend around when they get in an argument or have sex with a drunk woman they just met without bothering to ascertain consent and end up crying in my office - I make a lot of money off those people.
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