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  1. 25 points
  2. 25 points
    Some people may tell you, at times, that you should regularly acknowledge your privilege when you have it. I'm not one of them. What you choose to acknowledge, or not, if your business, and people who shove your face in it at inopportune times are assholes. However, if someone else chooses to acknowledge their privilege, and you are triggered simply by hearing that, then you have become the asshole in the exchange. Big time. I'm not even going to refute your ignorance. I'll choose another time and place. You don't need to agree with every commonplace fact to function as a lawyer - and yes, the existence and nature of "privilege" if not its absolute contours is a commonly acknowledged fact - but you do need to be able to hear things you don't agree with without completely losing control of your sense of the appropriate. You're responding to an off-hand comment, and objecting simply to hearing someone else offer perspective on their own life. Right, wrong, or otherwise, someone else's perspective on their own life is none of your fucking business - even if they were wrong and you're right. Neither of which are true here, btw. Grow the fuck up.
  3. 25 points
    I don't mean to derail this conversation any more, but "work your ass off" means very different things for those who come from an extremely financially stable background vs. those who don't. It's a lot easier to "get into university, maintain a high GPA, pass the LSAT, get into law school, maintain good grades in law school, kill articling interviews, work yourself to the grindstone during articling, pass the bar" when you don't have to worry about financial burdens. utmguy is not guilty - he/she is just recognizing that he/she had it better than other people. No need to lambaste someone acknowledging that.
  4. 23 points
    I too struggled with answering this question. There are certainly elements of my life with which I am very satisfied, and law is a defining part of it. I'm very satisfied with my job, with what I do everyday, with the people I work with, with the people I work for, and the compensation I get for it. I am also satisfied with my general position in life. Growing up, I was repeatedly told that I was a failure, I would not amount to anything, and that people like me don't enter this profession. Everyday I can wake up and do what I do as a massive "fuck you" to the people who said I couldn't or shouldn't do it. That is pretty satisfying for me. But at the same time (and mindful of potentially stepping into the cesspool created by Mycousinsteve) I do feel guilty about my success. I am incredibly conscious of the fact that I earn now as a young lawyer what my father was earning, after a lot of struggle, at the peak of his career. My mother works a close-to-minimum-wage job and works way harder than I do, but I charge 20+ times more than she makes an hour. Something just seems off about that sort of discrepancy. I get it that I am smart (relatively speaking) and that has its market value; but I wouldn't say that it is all effort and no luck of the draw. I just happen to retain and understand more information than the average person, am able to direct that towards seemingly useful ideas, and am able to express those ideas in a coherent and polished way. All of that means that I get to live way better than my parents ever could. So when I take my parents to a nice restaurant, I am equal parts satisfied that I can take them to that place, but also guilty that more value has been placed in me than them because of some random combination of values.
  5. 22 points
    For those of us who are already forced, ethically, to do pro bono work for vulnerable clients, I'll lower any remaining boundaries and say this is a fucking disgrace. A fucking disgrace we all could see coming--but, nonetheless, a fucking disgrace. The reactionary bullshit of "Well, don't commit a crime then," is just too much to handle after a long and difficult week. I don't want to believe things are that bad. Though I know they are. My LAO clients (and the ones who can't even get LAO) are the most vulnerable and marginalized persons likely to die in the ditch they're calling home. To suggest that they set their own trials and advocate their own Charter defences and/or factual defences is a sick joke. I'm tired of this. I can see how my clients live before they die at 35. Hey, no problem paying a Crown $200,000 to prosecute some homeless and mentally ill person. But I guess our government draws the line at paying a lawyer (maybe even now a duty counsel lawyer) a pittance to defend that client. We'll see how these cuts shake out--what services are cut, what jobs are slashed. From what I've seen working in courthouses 5 days/week, there's no "fat." Maybe it'll be the entire non-CCC (i.e. refugee/immigration/landlord-tenant) wing. Who knows. I see duty counsel run off their feet in every jurisdiction. I guess we'll see. It's goddamn sad.
  6. 22 points
    Hi all - this forum has been so helpful (and anxiety-inducing, at times!) that I wanted to share my personal adventure on the road to law school acceptances - for those needing a bit of love and support at this time in the application cycle. When I first considered applying to law, I wrote the LSAT on a whim and scored in the 140's; a few months later, I tried again, with a one-point increase in score. I had applied to UVic that year (also on a whim, so stupid), and was rejected (duh). My self-confidence was bruised, and I figured law wasn't for me, so I put the idea of law school to bed. After a good deal of wallowing, some painful self-discovery, and way too many episodes of Gilmore Girls, I decided to pull my socks up and try, try again. I was in graduate school at the time and self-studied while completing my thesis (so stupid - see a theme here?). I wrote the exam and scored in the 150's. Forever the idealist, I re-wrote a few months later, still in time for that application cycle at UVic, and scored the exact same as before. This was a fantastic wake-up call, fueled by two years of rejection. The LSAT is a beast, I was not "smart enough" to take it on without support - that's something I needed to accept. I dished out a painful $1,000, took time off work, and gave myself one month of full-time studying to try, try again. I told the instructors of the course that my goal was a 160, because I truly thought that's all I would be able to achieve. Progress was slow, but as the month came to a close, I saw improvement, scoring on practice tests between 160-162. I wrote the exam for a fifth time, and scored a 163. This year, I applied to five schools: TRU, U of M, U of A, U of S, and UVic. I've been accepted to all/waitlisted at UVic. My approach to the LSAT was sloppy, I recognize that. I was nauseatingly idealistic about my ability to self-study and receive an offer with some cheesy 80's music playing the background with smiles all around. For the majority of us, getting into law school is tough, admissions committees are ruthless - but that stubborn determination paid off, even if it took a few years! So, for those of you tackling the LSAT right now, or waiting anxiously to hear from the schools you applied to, know that if it doesn't happen this year, or on this exam, you have options, and you have time. One way or another, you'll make it happen. Be ambitious, stay strong, keep hoping, and be the badass future law student that you are. Cheers! 🍻
  7. 21 points
    Each year at Dal, they gathered us in the atrium and offered everyone who wasn't interviewed by either Stikeman Elliott or an appellate court near the Laurentian river as a sacrifice to the ghost of JSD Tory. This helped ensure that school's recruiting numbers stayed high. I only escaped by hiding in the basement under a fort made of old McGill guides and feeding on scraps that fell from wine and cheese events above. Needless to say, 2L and 3L grades felt functionally meaningless, given that the only two options were (1) a life of work on Bay St. following your first year of law school or (2) literal death.
  8. 21 points
    As a follow-up, I accepted a paid position from a promising personal injury firm just now. Thank you all for your sound advice.
  9. 20 points
    associate: "sir madam" partner: "My lords and ladies" managing partner: "Your highness"
  10. 20 points
    Op, tbh, only do it if your gf is OVER 2 points above you on the scale, and has discussed marriage with you. That’s, in my option, the only way to rationalize it.
  11. 19 points
    Without wading into the underlying debate, I just wanted to specifically respond to this comment because I couldn't have said it better. Although I'm only a 2019 call, so I don't want to derail this, I just managed to secure a better than expected associate position in a niche area of law in a small practice group with colleagues who seem to just be all around great people. And from the ground running I will be making way more than my grandparents ever did, who both worked in a factory for 50+ years while raising me as a kid, and now experience real health problems from how hard they had to work in less than ideal conditions, with never having anything like a financial cushion (one of my grandparents was an orphan, the other the oldest of 12). When I get them simple gifts, like craft coffee beans or other things they like, I literally have to rip off the label and say it bought it on sale or they will not use it because it is "too good for them." I really wish life could be more fair, but it isn't, and so I'm just thankful for what I have and trying to be a more open-hearted person in the process.
  12. 18 points
    I did not know I needed to explicitly state reasons to post on this forum - I ask because I am a young associate myself and I want to hear more from women who’ve been doing it longer. i want to hear their genuine experience without being sugarcoated for workplace formalities. As a woman on Bay St myself I find myself wondering what makes YOU assume we’re not? 3-5 years were in brackets as an example. Personally, that is my experience. I am asking how to balance killing it at work, as I try, and having quality time with my husband. I want to hear Senior Associates + Partners’ with children experience Reality is, on Bay, there are women, like me (thats what makes me assume), who want to make Partner and want to start a family and who may also be of colour and are more likely prone to code switch often. Side note though (I’ve been reading your comments on the forum for a while) I dont believe you’re on Bay St + I am certainly not interested in your male partner’s experience, so I don’t understand why you’re commenting in a manner clearly intending to undermine the purpose of my post.
  13. 18 points
    To me, the key part of this subject title is the anxiety over giving up something "for good." That's something you (and all law students) need to make peace with. When you are young and talented and privileged you go all your early life getting told you can do anything. You internalize that message. And to a degree there's truth to it. But the other side of that truth is that you won't do everything. You can't. Obviously. Don't try to keep all your options open. It's an idiotic and self-defeating way to live. Every choice you make, every path you commit to, implicitly rejects other choices and other paths. If you fear closing off options, you'll continually hedge against committing to the things you actually want. And that's no way to live.
  14. 17 points
    I did the LPP. It's an 8 month program (Late August to Late April). You spend 3 weeks in-person at Ryerson (last week August, second week October, and mid-December) and the rest of the 4 months is done online via a 4 or 5 persons virtual law firm with a supervising lawyer. You have two supervising lawyers in the program. One from late August to mid-October and the second from mid-October to mid-December (when the classroom component ends). You complete work in many areas of law including business, administrative, criminal, civil litigation, wills and estates, real estate, family, construction, and professional responsibility. It is the best preparation if you want to be a sole practitioner or run your own law firm someday. You learn practice management skills and docket your hours daily. You do real legal work in the program (in a mock environment of course), so I think it could be better than a lot of articling positions out there that have you only doing research and fetching Joe's coffee. Personally, I think it's too many areas of law to cover in just a 4 month time period. And as someone who went to a Canadian law school and did practicals in law school, I didn't find this component to be as beneficial as others who never worked in a practical legal environment and wanted to brush up on their Canadian law in various areas. If you know that you want to do business or criminal for example, you might find it frustrating to have to learn family, admin, civil, etc. Now, let's come to the real juice that everyone wants to know about - the placements. In the first or second week of July, the LPP will release a list of summer employers you can apply to (around 40-60 positions total). They hold interviews in mid-August. These positions are harder to get because there are 230-250 students applying for them. The remaining positions will trickle out throughout August-December. Almost all of them are paid, but what the LPP doesn't tell you is that almost none hire back and they pay $15/hr - so minimum wage. There are in-house corporations, major banks, some Biglaw firms, government, general firms, soles, etc. Overall, I'd say 70-80% of the placements are paid, but most pay minimum wage or close to it. I did not have a problem with this though since it is only for 4 months (for most people at least). Here is the biggest catch all though with the LPP placements. You must accept all interviews and must accept your first offer received (they encourage you to apply broadly so that you can ensure you secure a position). So it does not matter if your dream job in New York comes calling a day later if Joe's General Firm in the middle of nowhere offers you a position first. Failure to abide by the LPP rules may result in serious consequences, including not being allowed to apply for further placement employers or completing the program. You can see the list of employers for the previous years here - http://www.lpp.ryerson.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/LPP-Program-Overview-Candidate-Feb-2019b.pdf (pages 8-17). The best placements are highly competitive to land of course. This past year we had heavy competition for the financial institutions and corporations, government, and Blakes. The split in the program is around 60-40 - foreign law school graduates to Canadian law school graduates. Many of the foreign trained lawyers in the program have extensive work experience and credentials; there were law professors, MBA graduates and PhDs and many whom have practiced law in other countries prior to coming to Canada. The LPP is the path of least resistance for them (like how OCIs and articling recruit are the path of least resistance for Canadian law students). You often hear about Canadian law school grads in the program complaining about how the placement rate was not what they expected. It's because they were not competitive candidates, to begin with, and are now competing with foreign trained law graduates who have years of experience on them. Employers view the Canadian who went to Bond very differently from that person who was born and raised in the Middle East or Asia, went to law school there, and maybe even practiced law. I hustled and landed something pretty great in the program and was also hired back by my employer. Most of my peers were not so fortunate and most placement employers do not hire back their students because to them it's akin to a co-op program and the in-house teams are small and hire experienced lawyers generally (from the Biglaw firms). The program is what you make of it like anything else. I would definitely take a good, paid articling job over the LPP program (10-12 months articling is better than a 4 month placement in my strong opinion); however, the LPP program is a solid alternative if you want to take a chance and don't have good articling prospects. Anyone want further information about the program, feel free to PM me.
  15. 17 points
  16. 16 points
    Still can't believe it. Been ugly crying ever since I saw the email this morning. Still feels like a dream I haven't woken up from. cGPA: 3.34 L2: likely anywhere around 3.65-3.8 (I had a part-time course load a few semesters and also took summer courses so I'm not sure how they calculated it). LSAT: 157 (Jan.), 159 (March) ECs: Nothing special, honestly. Volunteered at a couple non-profits that worked with kids, worked throughout undergrad. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to know more. Filled out Part B. I was ready to move to Kingston in the Fall - I'd already provisionally accepted Queen's, but I will be firmly accepting whenever it shows up on OLSAS. Can't wait to meet all you lovely humans in September!
  17. 16 points
    I foresee many such post-facto justifications
  18. 15 points
    Echoing Diplock, and adding my own perspective: our parents did us no favours by saying we could be whatever we want to be. It just ain’t so. I also think that tagging along on that myth is the impossible expectation that The Right Career Solves Everything. That somewhere out there is your dream job (this parallels the everyone has one soul mate myth). The truth is there are a bunch of jobs that have the potential to be your dream job - but they take goddamn work. They take sacrifice. They take days or weeks or months of slogging away to learn the thing before you feel confident, successful, respected. And then some years before I think you can really classify that as a settled degree of happiness or satisfaction with life overall. Yes, committing to a specific path over time is a risk, but so is every other damn thing including marriage or kids. I think one of the things we all struggle(d) with in our 20s is that there is no immediate feedback loop of validation. There is no burst of applause -or chorus of boos - when you make your decisions each step of the way. There’s no soundtrack telling you if you’re about to enter the Success/Wealth/Friends Montage versus the For God’s Sake Don’t Go In there! Montage. So you go wary, and question, and dawdle, and backtrack, and panic, and feel paralyzed. I am satisfied right now. I am also in a space where the stresses of the job have led to serious consideration of a sabbatical. Because my job isn’t Everything, and never will be - and the best advice I have to the Me of twenty years ago is: make sure you have room for something else in your long life, because happiness comes and goes and hinging it on work alone is asking for a breakdown.
  19. 15 points
    This is a tricky one and you can choose to deal with it formally or leave it be. Only you know your own comfort level and wishes here, and I am not going to give you advice on which your choice should be... I will just outline what some of them are. If you are a student, you can go to some one in your school who deals with career services to explain what has happened to you. You can tell them if you would like to make a formal complaint to the law society, or you can tell them that you are just notifying the school so no future students are directed to this firm. If you are a law student you can contact the law society yourself or you can look up and speak to a bencher. There is also the link already provided which gives better and more specific info. If you find this has really affected your confidence or mood or outlook, you can seek out support through friends or family or school facilities. If you are applying through the NCA process then the law society is also a good resource to explore your options. And if you need to hear it, this asshole is a pig and a disgrace to the profession. He is not alone but he is not the majority either. He’s an utter shit for doing this to you and if it helps, to paraphrase Churchill, tomorrow you will wake up as the same fundamentally decent person you have always been and he will still be an utter shit. Chin up, whatever you do.
  20. 15 points
    You didn't even look for articles?!? Because it was took much work and no one would offer you a guarantee? Holy hell. Look. It's possible to go through the LPP system and come out on the other side okay, but you've got to be willing to hustle. You've got to want it. And by the sounds of things, you can't even be bothered to an ordinary degree, much less an extraordinary degree. Articles are a job. You apply to them, you get interviews, you may or may not get hired afterwards. That's the employment market, for everyone who isn't rich or guaranteed a spot in the family business where Uncle Larry won't fire you no matter how much you suck. Everyone else puts in the effort, without any guarantee of outcomes, and accepts that's life. Without being any harsher than I've already been, you need to get your priorities straightened out. Because there won't be a job waiting for you on the other side of this, no matter how you go about it. What you do is stop sitting on your ass, and hustle. Because I guarantee most of your competition is doing so, and no one wants to hire the guy (or gal) who can't be bothered doing shit on their own, because it seems like too much effort.
  21. 15 points
    CANT BELIEVE I'M FINALLY MAKING THIS POST. Accepted this morning!! 🤗🤗🤗 3.64 163 890 Walrus: Me Guy with Fish: UVic Law Admissions
  22. 15 points
    Accepted this morning! First law school acceptance after getting rejected everywhere last year. 3.8 GPA with drops, 164 LSAT, MA degree. Feels good to finally share an acceptance!!
  23. 15 points
    For anyone who's reading this, who may have received bad grades just as I did.... Just know that I received two job offers (not through OCI's) for summer work. One with a mid-size firm, one with a boutique firm. Grades do not define your success, if you learn to network, interview well and sell yourself properly.
  24. 14 points
    Law school taught me that not all lawyers are smart people, and not to expect otherwise.
  25. 14 points
    Still in total shock, I’ve dreamed about going to Osgoode since high school! Accepted this morning straight from queue via OASIS, went in queue February 27th cGPA: 3.52 LSAT: 144/146/156 ECs: volunteer, work experience, two publications I’ve checked this forum and OASIS daily for two application cycles and my dreams finally came true, don’t give up and stay positive!!
  26. 14 points
    My advice to you (and what would have made 1L much more enjoyable) is to drown out all the noise. Most law students are lovely but some are absolutely insufferable. They’ll humble brag about how their undergrad in Xyz studies has prepped them so well and half the classes are like review, or they’ll go on and on about that family member that’s a lawyer, the list goes on and on. Coming from an educational background that’s vastly different or never having been exposed to the law, this can be intimidating. But I promise you no one has an edge and no 1L knows what the hell theyre doing. Everyone is just as confused and unprepared as you are
  27. 13 points
    I wish to contribute to this thread usefully, and I haven't done so yet. I've read this multiple times and wondered what useful observations I could possibly offer, and I keep coming back to the inherent complications of the question. I never expected to attend post-secondary education at all. The vague sense of its possibility was in my world-view, but not at all the assumption that exists in many families. Neither of my parents completed university, though they toyed with it. None of my grandparents attended at all. I have cousins who went to school, but that's a bit different. I didn't start moving towards this career at all until I was older, in large part simply because it seemed inaccessible to me. And yes, I'm gesturing to privilege here, but not to continue the debate. The truth is, merely by entering into a respected profession, with all it entails, I've wildly exceeded both my own anticipated path in life and the expectations of everyone around me. There's some more personal stuff in there, but I prefer to be vague. Let's just say that anyone looking at where I was in my late teens and early 20s would never, ever, have put money on me ending up where I am now. I work way too much, and that's impacting my satisfaction right now and my relationship with my family. It's not something that anyone is doing to me. It's inherent in the way my practice is set up. You'd think I could wrestle it to the ground, since it's my own damn practice, but it's easier said than done. Being your own boss means that your boss is always there, critical of how you spend every free hour. I have absolutely got to get this shit under control and I haven't yet. I'm immensely satisfied with my ability to create change in the world. My practice is starting to get specialized. I'll decline to say exactly what I do or how it creates change, but let's just say I see it in very immediate terms. And sometimes it's just about taking on causes and arguments that no one else cares about, on behalf of clients in unusual circumstances, but I have already had enough success that I consider my time very well invested in what I do and I have plans to do much, much more. That's both motivating and satisfying. I was thinking about this when this very thread went sideways - the questions of "satisfaction" and also "what the fuck are people (including me) doing in this discussion thread" got unavoidably intertwined. And the answer, really, comes down to this. People think it's a good reason to go to law school if they "like to argue" and we all know how stupid that is. But there is a truth that's close to that. I like to win arguments. And I only argue about things that matter to me. I don't do it for fun. I don't even find it fun. But I derive immense satisfaction from making things better, and most often to do that you need to win an argument somewhere, with someone. I really like that - not for the argument itself, but for the change that follows. I like the act of building something that's mine. This isn't about legal practice but about a similar, related concept I've discussed before - entrepreneurship. Being a lawyer is inherently entrepreneurial for almost everyone. For me, most than most. I believe my practice has spun in this direction in large part because it's a skill I have and an enthusiasm for me. If I were less entrepreneurial, I'd probably have sought work for someone else. Even when the work I do is relatively mundane and mechanical, the fact that I'm doing it in service of my own practice makes a big difference. I could go on at great length, but I'm reasonably sure I'm satisfied. I'm also very restless. I'm at an age where I'm acutely aware of just how short my career will really be, and how brief my window of peak effectiveness. I want to do things. To the degree that satisfaction implies feeling peaceful, I'm really not there and probably never will be. That's a question to ask again at the very end of my career. Anyway, hope that's something to work with.
  28. 13 points
    It's almost as if "benefiting from privilege" and "working hard" are not mutually exclusive concepts. Woah.
  29. 13 points
    This forum is meant to assist lawyers and articling students, you are neither. It is not acceptable for you to give bad professional advice and contradict senior members of the bar of BC.
  30. 13 points
    From the Law Society of BC Website: "Neither the articled student nor the principal should terminate articles without a report from each party being made to the Law Society and, unless the termination was by mutual agreement of you and your principal, the matter will be referred to the Credentials Committee.
  31. 13 points
    Called in 2012, working as a lawyer in the public sector. Really couldn't have hoped for things to be better at this stage in my career. Total compensation is around $146K (that figure includes pension and health benefits). Work-life balance is quite reasonable - occasional evening and weekend work but rarely anything that interferes with other plans. The work is consistently interesting and has a meaningful impact. My colleagues are fantastic. That said, I have been fortunate in a lot of ways: I got an articling position at my top choice employer, starting immediately after law school. My law school grades were probably around the median so that's hardly guaranteed. After articling I was hired back. Only about 30% of my articling class was hired back (although I suppose some may have chosen not to). When it felt like the right time for a change in my work, there were internal opportunities available for a move. I have not been disadvantaged by racism or sexism. Certainly knowing the outcome I got, I absolutely would become a lawyer again. That said it's easy to imagine things turning out very differently, so I'm not going to turn my experience into a general recommendation to others.
  32. 13 points
    Yes I am satisfied with life, 9 years out of law school. In addition to work I make a real effort to stay connected with old friends and attend social events. I’m happy with my income, over 200, but I work too much. I advise people not to do it for the money but can’t take my own advice. Doing litigation problems keep coming up and people keep throwing money at me to fix those problems. I measure money in terms of the vacations it could buy but I just never get around to taking the vacation. I don’t think I’d choose to be a lawyer again given a second life because I’ve already done it. I’ve accomplished pretty much everything I set out to do, other than argue before the SCC. But if I went back in time of course I would do it again because I needed money and liked to argue. Other jobs I may have been happier in include actor or musician. I guess it’s not too late to switch.
  33. 13 points
    Accepted this morning! Over the moon excited. CGPA 3.12 L2 3.5 LSAT: 151, 154, 161 My letter was tailored to Windsor, i have strong EC's, two academic references, and legal work experience My second acceptance, I was admitted to Bora Laskin Facutly of Law on April 15th, 2019. I am a bit torn between the two, I feel as though Bora Laskin Facutly of Law has a very unique program, especially with the IPC program. I'm going to have to do some serious thinking. I also wanted to say that I have been a LONG time lurker on this forum. I bombed the LSAT twice and never in a million years thought I could score above a 150. I also was rejected from every single law school I applied to last year, and this year I received so far, two acceptances. Do not ever think this achievement is out of your reach. I was one of those people who would read posts like this and thought It would never be me. It takes hard work, dedication and discipline but you will get there. Congrats to everyone accepted and good luck to those waiting.
  34. 13 points
    I love it when the students who haven't even started law school yet manage to agree with one another that everyone else on this site doesn't know what we're talking about.
  35. 13 points
    You're free to do whatever works for you, obviously, but to me this is the kind of thinking that has law students and early call lawyers relying on substances, developing eating disorders and generally just falling psychologically to shit. You cannot, you cannot, you cannot subject every decision you make, every day, to some kind of obsessive "will this help me get a job one day!" analysis. You just can't. For the love of God, join a club or don't join a club based on whether or not you're interested in participating in that club. Volunteer or don't volunteer for some rep position based on the same reasoning. Should you do some things in law school, over and above memorizing your textbooks? Yes, of course you should - but that's because I would expect anyone who wants to actually practice law would find that interest comes naturally. If it doesn't, you should be trying to figure out if you're in the right field at all, or perhaps angling towards legal academia (at which point presumably you've become more interested in RA positions, publishing, law journals, etc.). Stop thinking of this as an artificial process. Do the things that naturally interest you and your natural interest rather than the accumulated weight of bullet points on your CV is what will lead to some opportunity down the road. I'm further down the road than most on this forum, at this point, and trust me, it doesn't change. By that I mean, part of the justification used by anxiety-prone law applicants, law students, early call lawyers etc. is some version of "just for now" thinking. As in "just for now" I'm going to put aside the things that actually matter to me, and concentrate on doing all the things that I figure are going to help me get to X. And then when I get to X, I'll have all the time and leeway and money I need to really be myself and get back to what matters. Except X never comes. It never, ever, ever comes. There's always a new goalpost, always a new justification, always a new "just for now" objective, and at some point you wonder how the fuck your life turned into something you don't even recognize anymore. Be who you are. Concentrate on what you actually care about. Pursue the goals that genuinely matter to you, for the right reasons, right now. Because if you don't do it now, you never will. And believe it or not, all of the most accomplished people I know followed this advice, whether consciously or otherwise. Meanwhile, all of the people giving you this advice based in "the job market is tight, everything is competitive, do anything and everything you can to look better, don't waste your time on trivialities..." those people are themselves just trying to hang on by their fingernails, and the advice they are giving you comes in large part from their own anxiety. So why the heck are you listening to them? Anyway. Good luck everyone - whatever you do.
  36. 13 points
    Unless they paying your bills, pay them bitches no mind.
  37. 13 points
    Wow, if a Crown did that in a trial I was on, I would protest to the judge. It’s not the Crown’s role to ask people to leave open court who aren’t causing any trouble. And a person testifying at trial is not necessarily a “victim.” If onlookers are discreet and respectful, I don’t see a problem - all witnesses should be prepared for that possibility. The judge controls courtroom decorum/procedure, and there are tools to assist witnesses such as screens, support persons etc, so I don’t mean to be insensitive - if it becomes apparent to a judge that a witness is struggling with the courtroom environment, this should be addressed, and there are options that fall short of the drastic action of kicking the public out of court. I think a law student who is serious about wanting a career in criminal law SHOULD watch the graphic and explicit stuff - how else can they know if this is an area they really want to practice? I agree junior high kids probably aren’t ready for sex assault trials, but law students should be.
  38. 13 points
    I feel like if your only reason for picking Ryerson over Osgoode is proximity to downtown, that’s an idiotic decision. If you have other reasons, then fine. But as the only reason? Please.
  39. 13 points
  40. 12 points
    I'm honestly not trying to be snarky here. But if you're really acting the way you describe here (poking holes in what your mom's friend thinks about Celine Dion, saying "tell it to your therapist, this is completely irrelevant to me"), then you are going to do a lot of damage to your personal and professional reputation. If I heard a 1L talking like that, I wouldn't think they're confident and analytical. I'd think they're an arrogant prick. I'd avoid them. And if given the choice to work with them, I'd be concerned that they lack the basic social skills to function in an office environment and navigate a client relationship.
  41. 12 points
    Law school prepared me for the reality of the legal community. That is, understanding that I'd have to start assuming that my peers in legal practice - lawyers and judges, mainly - are at least as smart as I am, and to stop expecting that I could pull random observations out of my ass on a moment's notice and still get good results in discussions, debates, and assigned work. U of T was great for this. Say what you want about the school, their terrible policies regarding tuition, etc. - they still attract the best and the brightest. I know some people here thing I'm arrogant. Hell, I AM arrogant in many ways. But I like to think I'm rationally arrogant. I know when I'm good at something and I like to take credit for it. But man, going to law school was an eye-opener. Because suddenly everybody was very, very good. And seriously - I needed badly to recalibrate. It took me a while. Some law students and lawyers never get there. They simply aren't smart enough to notice how smart everyone else is, like how Donald Trump just genuinely can't recognize expertise and knowledge in other people because he doesn't know what it is to operate on that level. Fortunately, I think I avoided that pitfall eventually. But not before I had some cringe-worthy moments.
  42. 12 points
    I've been a lawyer for 20 years. I'm a commercial/general civil litigator and I manage a small firm. I bill around 1450-1500 hours per year and recover about 1300-1350 of that at $550 to $600 an hour - all of which I get to put into my pocket (less, you know, taxes and "expenses"). I have two associates whose work pays all of my overhead (obvs. including their salaries). I also have 4 non-equity partners. Most importantly, every single person I work with is someone I like and respect. I have been very lucky. Before law school, I tried several other careers, none of which I could stand. If litigation had not worked out, I expect I'd be unemployable.
  43. 12 points
    Jaggers, the far-left management side labour lawyer! I literally fire workers for a living. I’m pretty far from left wing.
  44. 12 points
    I wanna meet the person who scored 180 and decided to write the LSAT again. Must have an interesting life story.
  45. 12 points
    I also say this with respect, and as someone who struggled with anxiety and other mental health issues in the past, you may just want to reapply in a few years, and in the meantime work, grow, and focus on your mental health. If the idea of a temporary move for school is so overwhelming, maybe this isn't the best time to pursue law school. Again, I mean this with nothing but respect and genuine compassion. Taking a few years isn't a failure, it might be the biggest blessing and the best path to success for you.
  46. 12 points
    Accepted today! Seriously cannot believe it because of my low LSAT. CGPA: 3.5 (OLSAS) LSAT: 153 (Nov 2018), 154 (Jan 2019) My L2 is complicated because of additional courses and internships. Heavily involved in school and community work in all my undergrad years, worked 30-40 hours a week while in undergrad, currently full time in school and working in the community. Optional essay. In queue since January 9th.
  47. 12 points
    Out of respect for those waiting, I will promptly decline the offer, so one more spot should open up shortly. Let’s all try to keep the process moving by notifying schools that we know we won’t be attending. Good luck all!
  48. 12 points
    Just wanted to update everyone. I got the offer and turned it down. I feel bad because I like the firm and its people a lot. But ultimately it's the right decision. I wanted to say thanks for all your input, it helped steer me in the right direction.
  49. 11 points
    Law school is actually very good at teaching you the current state of the law. Don’t ever discount the value of this knowledge and work hard to keep up on developments as you go along. When you appear in front of a judge and make an argument that - I don’t know - there is an objective standard in play when a person fails to take steps to ensure they don’t breach a court order, knowing that the BCCA just released R v Zora this year puts you ahead of about eighty percent of your colleagues who are too lazy or too busy to stay up to date. Another random example: Coming out of law school I promise you have a MUCH better handle on the nightmare of jurisprudence that is sexual assault law that almost anyone else in the courthouse. Now you probably have no idea how to create a foundation for your argument to bring that knowledge of the law in play. School doesn’t teach you to be a litigator. It just teaches you the law. But I make a point to chat with new Calls about caselaw from time to time because honestly, they often have a much better concept of the current framework on X area that I need to adopt, especially if the judge doesn’t have a criminal background. Being able to Coles Notes the Law in argument is a wonderful thing, and without a lot of effort you lose it fast - so enjoy being current while you can.
  50. 11 points
    Admitted this morning. Cgpa 3.63 L2 3.85 Lsat 150 (november), january (cancelled) March (score pending) Average ECs, Strong PS, Great References Not sure if the committee forgot to wear their glasses today (given the lsat score), but hey I ain’t complaining, bless their souls. Will likely be accepting! Good luck everyone else waiting!
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