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  1. 21 points
    As a follow-up, I accepted a paid position from a promising personal injury firm just now. Thank you all for your sound advice.
  2. 18 points
    To me, the key part of this subject title is the anxiety over giving up something "for good." That's something you (and all law students) need to make peace with. When you are young and talented and privileged you go all your early life getting told you can do anything. You internalize that message. And to a degree there's truth to it. But the other side of that truth is that you won't do everything. You can't. Obviously. Don't try to keep all your options open. It's an idiotic and self-defeating way to live. Every choice you make, every path you commit to, implicitly rejects other choices and other paths. If you fear closing off options, you'll continually hedge against committing to the things you actually want. And that's no way to live.
  3. 17 points
  4. 15 points
    Accepted this morning! First law school acceptance after getting rejected everywhere last year. 3.8 GPA with drops, 164 LSAT, MA degree. Feels good to finally share an acceptance!!
  5. 15 points
    For anyone who's reading this, who may have received bad grades just as I did.... Just know that I received two job offers (not through OCI's) for summer work. One with a mid-size firm, one with a boutique firm. Grades do not define your success, if you learn to network, interview well and sell yourself properly.
  6. 14 points
    My advice to you (and what would have made 1L much more enjoyable) is to drown out all the noise. Most law students are lovely but some are absolutely insufferable. They’ll humble brag about how their undergrad in Xyz studies has prepped them so well and half the classes are like review, or they’ll go on and on about that family member that’s a lawyer, the list goes on and on. Coming from an educational background that’s vastly different or never having been exposed to the law, this can be intimidating. But I promise you no one has an edge and no 1L knows what the hell theyre doing. Everyone is just as confused and unprepared as you are
  7. 13 points
  8. 12 points
    Accepted today! Seriously cannot believe it because of my low LSAT. CGPA: 3.5 (OLSAS) LSAT: 153 (Nov 2018), 154 (Jan 2019) My L2 is complicated because of additional courses and internships. Heavily involved in school and community work in all my undergrad years, worked 30-40 hours a week while in undergrad, currently full time in school and working in the community. Optional essay. In queue since January 9th.
  9. 12 points
    Out of respect for those waiting, I will promptly decline the offer, so one more spot should open up shortly. Let’s all try to keep the process moving by notifying schools that we know we won’t be attending. Good luck all!
  10. 12 points
    Just wanted to update everyone. I got the offer and turned it down. I feel bad because I like the firm and its people a lot. But ultimately it's the right decision. I wanted to say thanks for all your input, it helped steer me in the right direction.
  11. 10 points
    Could we consider replacing the existing "10 reasons (not) to go to my school" threads with new ones in each school's page? These threads have potential to be so useful but when browsing through them, I sometimes have to skim/read through pages of content before getting to content relevant to one of the schools I'm considering. Someone who doesn't want to go to school X probably doesn't care to read about it (and if they do, they could go browse the thread in that school's page.) Also, sometimes people quote someone else and a reference to which school they're talking about is lost so their comments become useless unless I try to find the original post they quoted from. By keeping these threads in each school's page, it'll be obvious that whatever some is saying is about the school I'm looking at.
  12. 10 points
    Accepted this morning via email! Still can’t believe it. CGPA: 3.53 L2: 3.75 LSAT:156 last name starts with G and I’ve been in queue since February 27th. Good luck to everyone still waiting! My offer hasn’t been uploaded on OLSAS but when it is I will be accepting for sure. Excited to meet you all next year!
  13. 10 points
    The fact that Canadian universities are allowed to promote garbage programs like this at the expense of unsuspecting high school students who believe that holding a law degree makes you a lawyer is just deplorable.
  14. 10 points
    I swear to God. This is what comes from a generation wannabe lawyers raised on a television show that promotes pretending you went to law school at all as a path into corporate practice. Compared to that, going to some law school overseas that no one has ever heard of must seem like a positively good idea.
  15. 9 points
    I made this exact transition. Good news and bad news: Good news: you may have misread the transfer procedure. My experience is that you only need to write the BC exam if you are transferring to BC from a non-reciprocating jurisdiction. Ontario is a reciprocating jurisdiction. Check here: https://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/becoming-a-lawyer-in-bc/transfers/transfer-to-bc-from-another-canadian-jurisdiction/ Bad news: you're going to have to pay something like $2,500 in administrative fees to LSBC to transfer over. Good news: other than the fee its relatively painless Bad news: unless you surrender your Ontario license, if practicing law in BC you will still need to pay 50% of your LSO fees (if you can't find a job and have no income, don't worry, LSO will find it in their heart to only charge you 25% for the right to not practice using your Ontario license) Good news: when Ontario friends complain about sub -20 temperatures you can respond that you feel their pain and had to suffer the indignity of putting on a light sweater that morning. Bad news: trying to surrender your Ontario license may take months (or over a year), during which said fees still accrue. Good/Bad news: you get to / have to sit through another call to the Bar ceremony. Shoot me a PM if you have any questions about my experiences in transferring over.
  16. 9 points
    Wtf? Did you say you were a Nazi sympathizer or something in your application?
  17. 9 points
    Accepted this morning! CGPA: 3.41; L2: 3.7 LSAT: 154 (Jan 2019), 152 (Sept 2018) Strong ECS (Community artist/leader, research analyst, real estate legal assistant) Strong References from professors I've worked with Worked full time between multiple jobs while in undergrad; Filled out part B due to a concussion which resulted in chronic seizures halfway through undergrad. General applicant. Went straight from "no decision yet" to "admitted" - did not go into queue Osgoode is truly holistic, there is hope for those with lower stats but strong credentials!!
  18. 9 points
    Agree 100%, especially with 2 and 3. Also want to add in though: Prepare yourself for the curve. Everyone comes into law school with great undergrad/grad marks - thats how you get in. But, Law School is curved, usually to a B-, B or B+, so we joke that in Law, "B is the new A." It is a tough adjustment when you're used to being a 3.7+ student to suddenly be a 3.0 student, but just remember that as long as you're keeping up in law, you're doing well. Be prepared for a lot of rejection. I know it sounds harsh, but there will be a lot of 1L and 2L summer, articling, RA, etc. positions that you'll apply for and likely not get, for no reason (especially 1L is very arbitrary). Just don't take it personally, and remember that its not that they didn't pick you, they just picked someone else, and there's a difference. Career services is great, and they're here to help you whenever you need, so take advantage, and everything will work out for you eventually. Become engaged, but don't overcommit. It is great to join clubs and volunteer and all, especially during the first week, but remember - you're here to study law. That should always come first, so give thought to your extracurriculars/jobs/volunteering commitments and make sure you're comfortable with what you're signing up for. Make friends with classmates. As you can tell from my previous suggestions, Law School is an emotional roller coaster. Having a good group of friends to remind you that you're not "the only one" in a situation is a godsend, and you'll find the U of A Law has a great sense of community - people are super friendly and helpful all around, so take avdantage. I think it would be a really tough experience if you felt like you were in it alone. Just my $.02.
  19. 8 points
    As a side note that brochure is terrible. Could they not have come up with a better sales pitch at the end than “our LPP stats are great because it’s designed to place everyone somewhere (just like a car is designed to drive, so here are some stats about how 100% of sold Fords are capable of driving); also a totally unrelated clinic has created a ton of startups. GO RYERSON LAW!”
  20. 8 points
    Just declined my offer, so there's a space opened up for someone else!
  21. 8 points
    I went the K-JD route. I was extremely immature when I entered law school at 22. I had never worked a job earning more than minimum wage, I was a virgin, I had never been in a serious relationship, the only car I had ever driven was my mother's, I had always lived with my mother, and I had never even been on a vacation without my mother. I had a lot of room for growth, but I don't believe my growth as a person would have gone any better by spending a year doing something else. I had nothing I was passionate about that would have been worthwhile. -2014 call at a major firm with 2 kids
  22. 8 points
    Conditional acceptance this morning, Aboriginal applicant!! (upon completing NLCSP) B2: 82% Jan ‘19 LSAT: 148 (I was defeated & disappointed to say the least) Born & raised in Northern SK, currently completing third year of undergrad at U of S Tailored PS to my connection with my Indigenous community, threw in Cree greetings, tons of volunteer & extra curriculars mentioned Strong recommendation letters from first nations band post-secondary coordinator and from a strong community mentor Will be attenting the summer program & hopefully then the College in September!!
  23. 8 points
    Or, to add to that, that comment seems premised on the belief that one ought to find one's 'meaning' in one's vocation. I think this is an assumption that also too often goes unquestioned. The notion that a job itself must be 'fulfilling' in and of itself -- or, that it is an unqualified good thing if one's career is the source of meaning in one's life -- is often quite toxic, in my opinion. Happiness can spring anywhere. I don't doubt for a second that there are some people for whom there are some practices which grant this kind of big-picture fulfillment. In fact, I know the search for this fulfillment is why a lot of people go into law. But I don't think we need to second-guess anyone wanting to do corporate law, or law more generally, for instrumental reasons. It can allow you to (e.g.) take care of their loved-ones or invest (in the broad sense) in other valuable activities. It might even be (gasp) satisfying work, even if morally neutral. That said, I agree that these are the kinds of questions you should ask yourself when taking jobs. And I'm glad that Pzabby chose the right option for him.
  24. 8 points
  25. 7 points
    I think this is stretching the definition of being a splitter.
  26. 7 points
    I kind of disagree. I despise group work but I don’t think that reflects my ability to work collaboratively at work. In fact I’ve seen that it doesn’t. Group work in a school setting is a different beast- you’re more likely to have people that are happy to hide from work and your competency levels are different. My experience in a work setting is that people are more likely to be engaged and not slack because they are invested in the outcome, plus people at work are generally very competent (often I feel like the dummy amongst my super brilliant peers lol).
  27. 7 points
    I ‘m not sure what area of practice you’re in, but here’s what works for me: 1) Referrals from lawyers in my area of practice (crim) - when other lawyers have conflicts (can’t cross-examine their own clients or have co-accused who want to blame each other, usually) or have requests for things they don’t do or aren’t skilled at (ie. appeals or client wants female lawyer or someone who speaks their language or sometime now they are too junior to take a matter) they will send the client to me. How to get: be friendly and sociable with members of the bar, get to know a lot of lawyers junior and senior to me and not just my small group of friends or my call year, be seen to be consistently doing good work, seek and give advice to others 2) Referrals from my old boss, usually because they can’t afford him How to get: maintain regular lunch/drinks with him and ask him for advice from time to time 3) Referrals from lawyers in other areas of practice - usually family and immigration and sometimes wills and estates - who get calls about criminal matters (almost exclusively from small firms or soles rather than biglaw) How to get: maintain and develop friendships with law school classmates in other areas of law and other people I meet - refer out family, immigration matters etc to people I like and trust - have lunch/drinks with my non-crim network - be active in the bar association 4) Referrals from other professionals ie. social workers, addiction caseworkers, probation officers etc. How to get: do really good work for clients managed by these people, have meaningful discussions with those professionals that show them you care 5) Referrals from community groups ie. people on organizations/boards I am on refer people they know who are charged with offences How to get: be involved in groups/boards, be nice, build personal connections, offer meaningful advice 6) Referrals from the community at large ie. people who belong to my ethnic group, knew me from high school, know my family etc. How to get: make it known on social media you are a lawyer, maintain social contact with people outside of law and people from your past, be active in an ethnic/religious/community group, accept speaking opportunities whenever possible 7) Referrals from LinkedIn How to get: have a good, interesting, frequently updated page with details of your accomplishments (good decisions you got, presentations you did etc) Summary: be a social person with lots of contacts in different circles and do good work What doesn’t work: 1) expecting referrals from legal aid 2) expecting referrals from lawyer referral services 3) expecting referrals from SEO/search engine services
  28. 7 points
    I'd highly recommend working your way through Stratas J.A.'s writing exercises: http://www.davidstratas.com/writing/exercises.htm Also, it's worth checking out his bibliography: http://www.davidstratas.com/writing/online.htm And of course, he has example factums: http://www.davidstratas.com/writing/precedents.htm Finally, you should consider approaching a colleague or classmate whose writing you admire. Ask them to edit and critique a short essay, memo or factum that you've written. Make sure it's your best effort. Take their recommendations seriously. Rinse and repeat. The goals of legal writing include concision, precision, readability and clarity. The words you use should not distract the reader from the strength of your ideas. First, you need to figure out the exact point you want to make! I like to chat with a colleague to grasp the conclusion that I'm inviting and the intermediary points that I need to establish. Then I can edit my writing from a point-first perspective, eliminating excess words and ensuring the first sentence of each paragraph conveys that paragraph's purpose. Beware these pitfalls: Nominalization -- the use of nouns instead of verbs lengthens sentences and introduces unnecessary prepositions: "The trial judge provided an analysis of the application record and wrote a comprehensive decision" versus "The trial judge analyzed the application record and wrote a comprehensive decision." Passivity -- the possessive and active voice eliminates bulky prepositions: "The reasons of the trial judge emphasized that a charging decision ought to have been made earlier in the agency's investigation with respect to Mr. X" versus "The trial judge's reasons emphasized that the agency ought to have decided whether to charge Mr. X earlier in the investigation" or even better "The trial judge concluded that the investigating agency ought to have charged Mr. X sooner." Legalisms -- phrases like "in relation to same", "ex post facto" or "inter alia" sound fancy but they are distracting. Instead, use plain language that your average 9th grader would understand. Over-explanation -- if you are citing a case for a bedrock principle of law, simply state the principle and include the case in brackets. Nothing more is required. "McLachlin C.J. and Charron J., writing for five-judge majority of the Supreme Court of Canada in R. v. Grant, 2009 SCC 32, articulated three factors governing the exclusion of evidence under s. 24(2): (1) the seriousness of the Charter‑infringing state conduct, (2) the impact of the breach on the Charter‑protected interests of the accused, and (3) society’s interest in the adjudication of the case on its merits (at paras. 93-97)" versus "Three factors govern the exclusion of evidence under s. 24(2): (1) the seriousness of the Charter‑infringing state conduct, (2) the impact of the breach on the Charter‑protected interests of the accused, and (3) society’s interest in the adjudication of the case on its merits (R. v. Grant, 2009 SCC 32, at paras. 93-97)."
  29. 7 points
    I did. It was fun compared to having a real job before law school. There's a learning curve, but it can be fascinating and fun. Academically it's really not that bad. The job stuff can be stressful if you don't prepare for it or allot any mental energy towards it. You'll soon find that law students (especially 1Ls and then articling students) enjoy coming together to complain. It gives them (or I should say "us", as I'm an articling student) a sense of surviving in the trenches with one another and overcoming all odds to accomplish something great. But really, it's just an echo chamber of complaints and in reality it's not bad at all. You will have fun if you learn to study smart and enjoy the process.
  30. 7 points
    Come on, people, read what ProfReader has posted. I happen to agree with her, from my own experience in law school and that of my classmates who also did well. We went to class, we did all the readings, most of us created our own summaries, we also managed to find time for our ECs, and a few even had part-time jobs. We paid a lot for law school, and students today are paying even more. This isn't undergrad, and I don't mean in terms of difficulty. You're going to be competing with classmates who all did well in undergrad; you'll be graded on a curve; you'll have many exams worth 100% of your grade; and your 1L grades are going to be predictive of many of your future employment options. Be smart about this.
  31. 7 points
    Good Luck everyone for tomorrow !
  32. 7 points
    go to a textbook first. 100% best advice which I discovered learning the hard way although the legal research team at my firm would always tell us this. Seriously. Find a textbook on the topic of law you are looking at and you will be able to pinpoint exact issues and cases are directly referenced. If not, you will get a great idea of the area of law and where you should be focusing your search. Finding the area of law in a text does not take as long as one might think. since I have learned this i have probably cut my research time in half
  33. 7 points
    Sorry, to work on Bay St you’ll have to go to a much more reputable and highly regarded school, like Leicester.
  34. 6 points
    Well, the driver in the Humbolt crash chose to plead even though he likely had a triable issue. The urge to confess and take responsibility is a pretty hefty thing. That a person later regrets their candid discussion with police is not a legal issue. In the moment they feel a sense of relief, and that is a great motivator. I am not saying that it isn’t an uncomfortable and frightening process. But what’s the alternative - to prevent police from investigating? At a certain point society’s interest in solving crime does counter the balance.
  35. 6 points
    We can all thank American tv for this one. Canadians who are detained or arrested get their 10b right to a lawyer - they get to 1. Be informed that they have a right to counsel and there is free counsel available if needed and 2. IF they assert that right they get to speak to counsel “without delay”. The case for establishing what that phrase means is Taylor (2014 SCC) and it boils down to the facts of each case. Once they have spoken to counsel and confirmed they are satisfied with the advice, police can hold them for up to 24 hours post arrest and interview / interrogate then as much as they please as long as it does not overwhelm the will of the accused (eg the person must be given food and water and reasonable rest, must not be threatened or promised anything in exchange for a confession). The only time they get another shot at calling counsel is if their jeopardy changes. For example if the victim suddenly dies and it’s no longer assault but murder. There is no right for adults to ha e their lawyer in the room. Smart lawyers only give advice in person if the stakes are high. A murder suspect should expect his lawyer to come down to the cop shop and sit there with their client until the accused has been fully advised / calmed / supported. But once they leave the police can talk to them all they want. A right to silence does not equal a right not to be spoken to.
  36. 6 points
    I did a bit more analysis into the 2017 admissions cycle. In that cycle, students were put on the waitlist before the April 1st deadline. Many of those students received acceptances in the first two weeks of April. I am going to assume our cycle is similar. I'm going to hold out hope until around April 10th before preparing for the summer wait game. Hope this helps anyone trying to make sense of the waitlist process.
  37. 6 points
    Declined my offer. Good luck, everyone!
  38. 6 points
    Also re: tuning out the noise - don’t take anyone at their word as to how much they study. There are people who think they are psyching everyone else out, or are merely reassuring themselves, by bragging about all the all-nighters they pull (even if half of that is facebooking, etc) who will make you feel you’re not doing enough if you listen. Then there are the people who will make you feel totally inadequate by bragging about how little work they do - they can never go to class, never do the readings and get all As because they read someone else’s summary the night before the exam while they are drinking. Don’t take that seriously either. And you will probably notice the phenomenon of the professor posting the grades for your section and seeing that there are 15 As, you have one, and 19 people tell you they got an A.
  39. 6 points
    It will take you a very very long time to read cases in your first semester. Particularly because you’ll start by reading dry twentieth century English cases using antiquated language (looking at you contract law lol). That’s okay. Don’t be tempted to look at summaries right away. You need to learn how to work your way through a case before you can rely on shortcuts. Making your way through dense material is an important skills to develop. Once you master it you’ll be able to skim cases and pick out the important sections much more quickly but there is no shortcut for developing this skill. I remember being really frustrated by how long it took me to get through cases. You will get infinitely better
  40. 6 points
    The old adage remains true: In 1L they scare you to death, In 2L they work you to death, In 3L they bore you to death. I quite liked 1L. Your only job in 1L is to learn the law - you don't have to worry about the recruit, interviews, the fact that everyone else seems to have a job and you don't, etc. You just learn the law. That's it. It's fun.
  41. 6 points
    I’m just about into my mid-30s now. I’ve been in high school, taught ESL abroad, worked in professional positions, been through McGill, through law school, through the first meaningful chunk of a corporate lawyer career, and one of the most consistent threads throughout is this: There are people who could wake up on a bed of roses, be handed a million dollar check with breakfast, then go back to sleep and still widely advertise their self-branding as “extremely overwhelmed; totally pushing it to the limits; treated unfairly all the time; doing the hardest thing ever”. There are other people who could be working 17 hours a day to make a spaceship and they’d tell you life is great, fortune truly smiles upon me.
  42. 6 points
    I hated 1L. I put a lot of pressure on myself to do well (as many do) and I was super stressed. If you search my history you’ll find a melodramatic post I made about feeling burnt out after 2 months (lmao insert world’s smallest violin). Once I got my midterms marks back and saw that I wasn’t as incompetent as I felt I relaxed a little. (Imposter syndrome can be really stressful in 1L) Flashword to 2L and 3L - best years ever. I actually focused on learning the law without being hyper focused on grades/landing a job/networking for the hell of it
  43. 6 points
    Accepted this morning CGPA:3.53 LSAT (Nov 2018: 152) (Jan 2019: 156) ECs: activism in major political arenas + intensive research conducted abroad
  44. 6 points
    This is a terrible hierarchy. If you don't get into Western you should finish your degree and then apply to every law school in Canada.
  45. 6 points
    You can definitely get away with skipping classes more in 2L and 3L, once you know what's going on. My comments about attendance and grades were focused on 1L students. The students in my 1L class who are at the top of the class almost always attend. I can't say the same for all of my upper year classes.
  46. 6 points
    I don’t think it’s a binary state insofar as you either attend class or you don’t. I think most people figure out which classes are worth attending and which are not, or they’ll attend certain sessions because it’s covering concepts they want to review, and so on. You will be able to make these decisions eventually. Not everyone has to attend every lecture ever to succeed. You may find you don’t. But understand that it is different from undergrad so I would start with the assumption that you should attend and evaluate after your first set of exams if that’s what works for you. I highly recommend attendance in first year courses. You don’t know what you don’t know, and until you’ve had a chance to see for yourself how law school is and whether you get it, I don’t think you can fairly make that choice. Well, at least not fairly to yourself. By second and third year you can usually figure out if a course’s lectures are going to be worth your time. Of course, all of this is said with the assumption that there isn’t a participation component. If there is, obviously go.
  47. 6 points
    got the meet n greet email today and called in to confirm i've been accepted! cgpa: 3.27 L2: 3.37 LSAT: 163 slightly above avg ECs (i think?), very average LORs, and PS tailored to windsor pretty surprised given my gpa, but extremely excited
  48. 6 points
    Just to chime in on foreign law schools and jobs. For context my experience comes from being in the support team at a small-mid sized firm firm that does a lot of work in rural areas. This means the hiring pool isn't nearly as competitive as big law. With that said, I've seen two types of applicants come in. The first is someone who holds a foreign law degree because they lived in the country and wanted to be a lawyer in that country so they got a law degree in that country and practiced as a lawyer in that country. Now they have immigrated to Canada and still want to be a lawyer so they are taking steps for that. This person had a decent chance compared to the applicants that come from domestic law schools but the fact that their experience is in a foreign jurisdiction is definitely a factor in their job prospects. The second is a Canadian citizen who went somewhere else for their law degree and this raises all kinds of red flags to the partners doing the hiring. The general feeling of these applicants is that they couldn't cut it in Canadian law schools and went with an easier path instead of making themselves better applicants. These applicants generally have little chance if even getting an interview unless they have something truly outstanding on their resume. And I do mean truly outstanding not just interesting or unique. This was the situation in looking for lawyers in rural BC, Bay street is significantly more competitive. Do everything you can to get into a Canadian law school, or don't go to law school and consider different career options, there's a ton of other careers that are equal to or better than law
  49. 5 points
    I don't know. Emotional intelligence and mental illness as a required 1L course may not be a bad idea given how it's so prevalent in law school and the legal profession and a neglected topic.
  50. 5 points
    I did not enjoy 1L. I don't blame the workload, my profs, other students, etc ... I just don't think my head was in the right place. I was in this weird position where I wasn't working hard enough (I recognize this now), but simultaneously felt like law school was the defining element of my existence. I ended up with some bad grades, which was quite disheartening (major imposter syndrome). But like most other people who have gone through 1L, I survived. I think my 1L experience really forced me to do a bit of self reflection, which was very helpful later on.
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