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  1. 3 points
    I understand that you didn't go to a Canadian law school, but you're describing exactly what a law school exam in Canada is...
  2. 3 points
    But doesn't that mean that the opinions of non-UT current students matter? That is, for OCI purposes, it will mostly be either past U of T grads (under prior marking scheme) or non U of T grads who are making decisions. So how they perceive the marks would seem to matter more. Especially if the back of the U of T transcript doesn't clearly explain or give equivalents. And if asked, how will current students like OP explain what their grades mean to others, aren't opinions on that relevant to the original post? Does: " Faculty of Law Grading System Grade Meaning Guideline Description HH High Honours 15% Elite performance relative to class. H Honours 30% Superior performance relative to class. P Pass with Merit 45-55% Strong performance. The most common mark. LP Low Pass up to 10% Adequate performance to pass, but significantly below the standard of the class." https://handbook.law.utoronto.ca/guidelines-and-procedures/grading-and-honoursdistinction-standing Really lead someone to think, oh, a P, this is an impressive student because it uses the word strong, but also common? Or is it more likely to leave them thinking, oh, they just passed, or they're just average? Comparing with Osgoode student handbook: "A+/A: Excellent B+/B: Good C+/C: Acceptable D+/D: Marginal F: Fail" Again, 3rd party won't necessarily know or look that up, but don't the descriptions correspond with how they'll tend to perceive law school grades anyway? https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-Student-Handbook.pdf
  3. 3 points
    It's often U of T students asking what their own grades mean, as in this thread, suggesting that it hasn't been well explained to them by whichever U of T entity is supposed to do that.
  4. 3 points
    It might be a good idea to leave it to students who actually attend U of T to answer questions on the grading system, since the rest of you don't seem to understand how it works.
  5. 2 points
    I know people who have been hired to write NCA exams. I've also seen the applications for NCA exam writers. I've never written NCA exams, but I've seen several. They are broadly similar to 1L exams in terms of difficulty. You can also pass 1L exams very easily with a set of comprehensive notes and largely canned answers. You won't do well, but it is very, very easy to pass. In short, while I'm not going to disagree about competency, I definitely disagree about equivalency.
  6. 2 points
    Received the email at 9:30am EST! CGPA/L2: 3.77 LSAT: 159 Good luck to all!
  7. 2 points
    It partly depends what work you do. I've had to pick it up as I go along, but I work with a partner that's a JD/MBA who can handle some of the complicated models the banks spit out for an investment vehicle better than I can, which makes him a valuable lawyer because you can actually translate it to legal drafting, whereas someone who doesn't understand the model has a harder time doing so.
  8. 2 points
    I haven't been at most or all of the schools you mentioned, but have heard similar stories. Remember though that such political biases, even if true, only represent the average political thought. You will certainly find hard left of centre professors at every campus. You will probably find right of centre professors at every campus. Every law school will also use practitioners as lecturers, who will as a whole tend to be fairly practical and apolitical. And of course you will find a wide range of beliefs amongst the student body. In short, this should be a complete non-factor in where you choose to go to law school.
  9. 2 points
    It is certainly factored in. There’s a flag on the summary sheet that indicates whether the applicant didn’t have a full course load. How much it matters depends on how often it occurred and what the other components of the application looked like. There isn’t a specific number, to my knowledge. Mature students are evaluated on a slightly different set of criteria than regular applicants, but there was no reservation of seats for mature students, at least as far as I understood it. The declines don’t go out until later. March or April I believe. Maybe a bit earlier. I don’t know if “access” applicants get their files pulled at a certain point in time, or if they get evaluated along with everyone else. I don’t think there is a special timetable. All applications are fully reviewed by two members of the committee. If both agree to admit, then the candidate gets in. Otherwise, depending on the nature of the disagreement between the evaluators, the application may be forwarded to an interview, to an additional third committee member, or to the full committee in exceptional circumstances.
  10. 2 points
    My GPA was 2.54 and I am a second-year mature student.
  11. 2 points
    I've seen you in a lot of topics now, and you're always condescending and elitist in your replies. What gives?
  12. 1 point
    Thought this was an interesting read: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/business/dealbook/education-student-loans-lambda-schools.html?module=inline.
  13. 1 point
    Declined today for either Ottawa or Queens. Good luck to those waiting!
  14. 1 point
    I think the biggest tip of all is to not regard the passages as "boring". Going into a passage with that attitude does not help with reading the passage or answering the questions. I like to think of the four reading comp passages as the most interesting four passages of all time that I am about to read and it helps. Make paragraph summaries beside each paragraph you read and make sure you understand the flow of each paragraph.
  15. 1 point
    What? I never said that you did. I didn't even read your posts. I was responding to Jone11 (I quoted him/her in my post).
  16. 1 point
    Mine has said "Under Evaluation" since early Nov.
  17. 1 point
    Got a call today! ~81.6% (after drops) LSAT: 167 (Nov)
  18. 1 point
    Also, this is like really nice and helpful. It's really easy to beat myself up over not getting in or having lower than average LSAT scores or CGPA's, but in the long run I will learn and grow a lot from not getting in if that's what happens this cycle. There's always next time, which means another full year to improve my LSAT score and move forward with the application process again.
  19. 1 point
    Something like that, yes, normally 151-152
  20. 1 point
    There is no "best" undergrad degree. Study something that interests you and that will allow you to perform well. In law school, you will find people with virtually every possible undergrad major. No particular major will give you an advantage getting into law school, or eventually practicing corporate law.
  21. 1 point
    @onepost. Exactly. This has been the grading system for 6 or 7 years now. Employers don't seem to be having any issue with it. And on that note, I think the OP has received the information he/she requires from U of T students.
  22. 1 point
    The OP is a student at U of T. Those with reason to know have provided responses that are accurate: the OP is still in the running for 2L OCIs, provided they have a stronger second semester. What is the point of trying to convert grades, here? Perhaps folks from Osgoode or Queen's or wherever are curious what their grades mean for 2L OCIs. I really can't comment, because I don't have a clue what grades one needs to get OCIs at those schools. Even assuming we can map U of T grades onto grades at another school, at that point any comparison would be premised on the assumption that it doesn't matter what school your grades are from. I know some people have a deeply-held belief that this is the case, but in any case it's irrelevant to the OP and students from other law schools with the same question. I feel like this topic has been addressed ad nauseam in other threads. I don't see why every thread dealing with U of T has to deteriorate into some thinly-veiled comparison between law schools and the merits of their respective grading systems.
  23. 1 point
    You honestly just kind of figure it out. There are a bunch of opportunities that really only open up to people near the top of the class, generally. You'll see them during the 1L recruit, at NY OCIs, in NY, at meetings about clerkships (and importantly, they'll have received the Administration's email encouraging them to apply to clerkships). They'll be Dean's Fellows for a professor. They'll get jobs at impressive off-Bay firms early on. They'll be in competitive, grades based clinics. You'll see their work product and be able to infer their grades. To a certain extent, you'll discuss grades with them. None of those factors alone (except, perhaps, NY) would prove someone is in the top of their class, but when you take them all into consideration you can start to piece together a decent picture. By no means would I say I could accurately list the top 30 students at Osgoode in my year. But I think I could rattle off 20 names and be 95% confident that they're currently in the top 10% of students.
  24. 1 point
    Accepted! cGpa: 3.37 B2: 3.74 LSAT: 167 I'm really excited, wasn't sure I had a chance because everyone told me the school weighs GPA so heavily. I think my PS did a good job of explaining why my GPA was lower and I had decent ECs (volunteered throughout undergrad, played varsity soccer)
  25. 1 point
    Was accepted yesterday at some point cGPA: 3.77 (3.8 if they received my fall transcripts but I'm not sure) LSAT: 157
  26. 1 point
    The OP asked what his/her OCI chances were, not what the grades mean.
  27. 1 point
    I agree with @BlockedQuebecois. I would add maybe contacting the admissions department and asking about scholarships before you accept. You never know what's down the grapevine.
  28. 1 point
    If anyone is interested, I've been trying to get a general idea of how much each school I'm applying to would cost and how much debt I'd be in at the end of it. With the new OSAP changes recently announced, I have updated my earlier estimate to better reflect these changes. Before this, I was estimating based on 2018's costs and funding being consistent. If anyone is interested, I've included a copy of the results below. Cost/Debt Per School OSAP 2018 Total Cost OSAP Loan OSAP Bursary Personal Savings Outstanding Total Debt Queen's $100,713.00 $22,500.00 $24,000.00 $54,213.00 $76,713.00 Western $109,173.00 $22,500.00 $24,300.00 $62,373.00 $84,873.00 Osgoode $122,859.00 $22,500.00 $24,300.00 $76,059.00 $98,559.00 Toronto $152,664.00 $23,700.00 $23,700.00 $105,264.00 $128,964.00 OSAP 2019 Total Cost OSAP Loan OSAP Bursary Personal Savings Outstanding Total Debt Difference Queen's $94,652.76 $30,900.00 $9,600.00 $54,152.76 $85,052.76 $8,339.76 Western $102,456.00 $30,900.00 $9,600.00 $61,956.00 $92,856.00 $7,983.00 Osgoode $114,591.60 $30,900.00 $9,600.00 $74,091.60 $104,991.60 $6,432.60 Toronto $141,648.00 $30,900.00 $9,600.00 $101,148.00 $132,048.00 $3,084.00 These estimates are tailored to my personal situation (single, no dependants, out of high school for 7 years, income ~$35,000) so the picture may look different for you. To get these numbers I've assumed the following: 1. I assumed that Loan/Bursary amounts would remain unchanged over a three year period 2. I have not accounted for the ancillary fees that students will now be able to opt out of paying. 3. I have assumed that the 10% cut will apply to J.D. programs in Ontario. 4. I have also run these estimates based off a student having $0 in assets upon admission. 5. I also assumed the 10% tuition reduction wont result in higher living fees (may not be the case if you are planning to live in a residence) 6. I have not included interest payments in any of these numbers. (Some PSLOC will charge you interest only payments while in school). NOTE: I've uses the aid estimator tool on the OSAP website to come up with these figures. The 2019 calculator seems pretty rudimentary right now so these figures may be subject to change.
  29. 1 point
    I'm not sure how helpful my personal experiences would be because it sounds like you may be asking about a scenario in a larger firm and my law and pregnancy experience is from small firms. If you do want to know about those circumstances, I can share. In terms of the general, overall question, I can say that pregnancy and child-raising are not always predictable and plannable in the same way as other areas of life. That's hard to grasp for some lawyers who are often Type A people who have planned everything else in their life so far and generally know way ahead of time where they want to go to school, article, get hired back etc. I didn't ever plan to get pregnant - sometimes it just happens, and you have to deal with it. Even if you plan to get pregnant, you might take a long time to conceive. You might need medical help. You might never conceive on your own. And even if you do get pregnant, there is any range of ways you might feel. Some women have very few symptoms and don't experience much loss of energy and sleep. Some women struggle more but still manage to work. I was one of the unlucky few who was seriously debilitated and couldn't work at all for most of the pregnancy - no one thinks that will be them, but it could be. You could be put on bed rest by your doctor. You could have a miscarriage, or more than one. You could deliver prematurely and have to deal with a baby in NICU. You could have multiples. Your kid could be born with a serious condition needing surgery or other treatment. You just don't know, and anything is possible. So in terms of your first question, some women won't have too hard of a time working long hours while pregnant, a few won't be able to do it at all, and most can probably do it but find it a bit tough at the beginning and the end, and will use techniques like sneaking naps during the day, using various home remedies or meds to cope with nausea and other symptoms, and reduce their other responsibilities to focus on work and get more sleep outside of work. And for some, the real struggles will come after delivery. In terms of telling your employer, that's a personal decision that will probably also depend on the pregnancy and the symptoms. I am so ill when pregnant that everyone knows and it is impossible to hide. I think, assuming a more standard pregnancy, most women wait until sometime in the early to mid second trimester to tell, when the risk of miscarriage is down and they may be starting to show and are having to go to more appointments, etc. You don't want to wait too long because your firm needs time to plan for your absence. Getting pregnant happens, it's something employers have to deal with, and it shouldn't be a big deal to tell them. I would ask them for a few minutes to sit down when they have time and just tell them. I would go in with some sort of a plan as to what you want to do for maternity leave, that is realistic and based on whatever policies and practices they have. As to maternity leave, again, my experience is pretty different from that of a woman in a larger firm and may not be helpful. I personally think that women should try to avoid the longer leaves of 12 or 18 months if they are concerned about career derailment and try to take something less than that. But this will depend on each situation. Also as above, experiences after delivery vary. You might have post-partum depression which is no joke. You might have a premature or sick kid or have an infection or other issue yourself. In terms of derailing your career, yes, I feel that time off for pregnancy and maternity leave have set my career back, but I have my own practice and clients to manage. If you are in a firm where you really don't have that and do work for other people, it may or may not be less of an issue - I can't say, and hopefully others will speak to that. I have heard that sometimes it's better to take a mat leave or two in the 3-5 or 6 year range, after you have proven yourself enough that they want you to stay but before you have too many of your own files and responsibilities. Anecdotally, from conversations with others, I think that there are still perceptions that women taking mat leave are an inconvenience and are not committed, but there are also efforts to become more enlightened and modern about this issue. I think the resentment comes not so much from someone taking one mat leave, but from them taking one, coming back and then leaving on another one right away, and then maybe another one. I know friends who complain about a co-worker who took "three mat leaves in five years." That would definitely lead to you falling behind your peers in seniority and experience - but it may be worth it to you, and you can't legally be fired for it, so what people think and say behind your back may not be important. There is also the issue of whether you will want to come back full steam ahead to work as you did before having a baby, or whether you are going to want more flexible hours, to work part-time or work from home and so on. And it's hard to know that till you are actually a mother. You may think you will want to work and then realize you're not ready, or think you'll want to be home more but then really miss work. And of course you have to navigate the issue of child care - what hours you work after mat leave may depend on whether you're using day care with a hard pick-up time or whether you have a spouse or family member or nanny providing care for the later hours.
  30. 1 point
    No, you're not. U of C is cheaper, in your and personal professional network, and where you want to practice for the foreseeable future. Go to U of C.
  31. 1 point
    It can't be a C+. LP is the lowest grade you can possibly get, and it isn't even mandated to be given (it's discretionary). It's about as poor of a grade as you can get. It's a C at most, and possibly lower (since some schools still treat Ds as passes?)
  32. 1 point
    That's how my parents ended up without a house! Those were rough times alright...
  33. 1 point
    Polisci is not a pre-law degree. You're too far off from being absolutely certain that (i) law is the career path for you, and that (ii) you have sufficient grades and LSAT score for law to be a viable option. As such, you should not select a degree based on potentially being a lawyer (or even corporate lawyer). Grades matter more than degree, from a law school admissions vantage point. From your vantage point, you should select degrees based on your interests and potential career paths. e.g., if you find business/finance very interesting, take that degree, knowing that it may lead to law, or to banking, or consulting. Alternatively, take polisci if you're interested in learning more about political structure and/or international affairs, knowing that it may lead to a law degree, a Master's degree, or even banking or consulting still (if going to a sufficiently prestigious institution). Making decisions like this is a balancing act: keeping options open, signaling interest, protecting grades (ensuring you can do well), and not closing any doors.
  34. 1 point
    I think you're really underestimating the number of strong students on Bay Street. You're right that many students in the top 5-10% of the class pursue careers off Bay Street. But if you think about it, that makes perfect sense. Top students are, essentially, a random sampling of law students. There's no reason to expect that the top students in law school would have less diverse interests than the student body as a whole. And further, students in the top percentiles are able to pursue those careers easily and with less risk because they're able to land higher-paying jobs in those fields early (to say nothing of options such as clerkships, which frankly aren't available to most students). Anyways, I know, roughly, who the top 5-10% of the students in my class are. Of them, I'd say >50% are pursuing big law in a major metropolitan city. That number will drop as clerkships go out, but I would wager it will still stay around the 50% mark come graduation.
  35. 1 point
    As someone in their 30's, with a young family, the only way I was able to get to this point was because the province invested in me. I had been working in kitchens for years and the only way that I could "break out" was by taking advantage of the grants they offered me. Between OSAP grants and scholarships, I was finally able to go to school full-time. I suppose the impact on me isn't as bad as it could have been. I stand to lose about 20k in grants per year, which will add 60k to my debt. Not ideal but at least I can cover it with my LOC. If this happened last year, and I was not yet eligible for the LOC given to law students, I wouldn't have been able to continue full-time. So, I consider myself lucky. I know this isn't Quebec, and I know that social investment isn't exactly the conservative model, but it breaks my heart to think that others in my position won't get the same opportunity as I did. The province invested in me and I aim to make good on that investment. If they hadn't, I'd still be working in kitchens for $18/hr with no way to build a future for my son and no way to contribute to the economy.
  36. 1 point
    Your LSAT is well below Odgoode’s median, so yes, if you don’t score better on your rewrite it’s quite likely you’ll be rejected.
  37. 1 point
    I don't think you should rush and worry about a year. It is one year and you're not going to get significantly older in 12 months. What's the real difference between 30 and 31? Whether you can work and go to school full time and do well on the LSAT really depends on how easily the LSAT comes to you and what else you have going on. Don't be in a rush - take the time to figure out a plan for yourself.
  38. 1 point
    I was accepted yesterday too! L2: 3.7 LSAT 163 I worked for the Govt doing policy analysis for one summer and for a law firm doing admin post grad. Going to accept
  39. 1 point
    I received the email around noon! LSAT: 157 & 161 cGPA: 3.85 L2: 3.78 Finishing my fourth year. (Subjectively) unique background and work experience. U of C seems like such a supportive faculty and I feel very blessed to have an offer. However, I will most likely be declining and wish everyone the best!
  40. 1 point
    Your grade is totally fine for 2L recruit and you are already in a way better position than 60% of your class. Please be considerate of others as many people are browsing this site right now.
  41. 1 point
    Got in a few hours ago!!! Im excited! L2: 3.68 Lsat: 162 Good ECs and Work Experience Good luck to everyone waiting!
  42. 1 point
    I got in!!! Got my email this morning at 11:40! L2: 3.74 Lsat: 162
  43. 1 point
    Accepted today! First Ontario law school acceptance so I am thrilled! 154, 156 LSATs 3.48 cGPA Including fall semester grades, 3.43 cGPA not including fall semester grades General Category Good PS, strong ECs, and good references. Small connection to Thunder Bay
  44. 1 point
    Lol I guess give this diatribe to athletes and actors and other professionals that aren't interchangeable, lower-skilled workers. Or maybe the Society of United Professionals/Power Workers' Union. Seems like they are all doing it wrong and unions should be reserved for bus drivers. You're not a labour lawyer and it kinda shows here - labour politics has nothing to do with "interchangeability and disposability". It's purely about pooling collective power to bargain. You also clearly don't understand CBAs or what other benefits might come from unionizing besides lockstepping salary/promotions, apparently. Edit: I didn't read jjbean's post first but basically yep. This was a big whiff of a post. Could have saved yourself 6 paragraphs.
  45. 1 point
    Call me optimistic! Lawyers collectively bargain in a whole series of workplaces in Canada. (Yes, my reference was to associates bargaining in a larger firm, not the profession as a whole). Legal Aid Ontario lawyers bargain collectively, as do federal government lawyers in almost all jurisdictions across the country, as do associates at a variety of labour firms in downtown Toronto.... The view that collective bargaining is only for lower skill professionals is pretty outdated in the research and in practice. Physicians bargain collectively in every province in Canada, as do other professionals (planners, etc.) across civil services in most provinces. Federal government lawyers have had a collective bargaining structure in place for years and have bargained several collective agreements. I'm not sure why you think it would not be feasible in the private sector. It might not be a formal union, but a strong and united associates' committee in a large firm can exert far more pressure than individual associates bargaining on their own. Also, your description of the purposes of collective bargaining are very... industrial. Collective bargaining is about creating workplace fairness by having a counter-weight to what is usually almost unlimited employer power. In some workplaces (such as those you described), this means predictable seniority-based progressions, to protect against favouritism. But collective bargaining is not required to produce that result. Lawyers could collectively bargain lower yearly hour targets, or higher bonuses, or more vacation, or better benefits and salary. The point is to come together to get a better outcome in your particular workplace, not to replicate how others have approached it in other work locations. TL;DR: Professional collective bargaining is a thing. Labour relations have moved past the industrial revolution.
  46. 1 point
    I saw a reply in last years Facebook group (I accidentally joined 2018 instead of 2019 whoops) and it said that there aren't too many opportunities for parents. Some of the things are student only (like the case study and lecture). I think that parents are welcome in the sense that they could come to explore the city and have a look at Schulich, but the Welcome Days aren't intended to accommodate parents. I would maybe just email the Weldon Welcome people! I had to email them and they replied within 24 hours. (Also, not sure if you've already touched base with Randi or Rose, but the travel reimbursement is prorated according to where you're coming from. Coming from Ontario, you might not be able to get the full $700.)
  47. 1 point
    Yeah, as someone 'in the real world', who has interviewed students from Bond, I can tell you that this is definitely not true in all cases. There is a stigma out there, rightly or wrongly, about Canadians who attend foreign schools, no matter how well they do. Firms don't care about the ability to attend a school on another continent. To the OP: you have a great gpa. Have you actually written the LSAT? How many times? What prep methods have you used? Have you really exhausted every possibility of improving your score? Or are you just in a rush to apply in the current cycle? Be smart about this. Do whatever is necessary to make yourself competitive for a Canadian school. You are asking if Bond is an 'acceptable backup' but then you also say that you have connections to several Canadian firms, so I'm not sure what type of advice you're looking for here. If you have a family firm that is guaranteeing you an articling position and a job afterwards, then what's your worry? If it isn't that situation, and any other shouldn't be looked at as a guarantee, then my advice is the same. Do what's necessary to improve your LSAT. Take a course, get a private tutor, take the time to improve. One other caution. Be sure to confirm that they are still offering all the Canadian courses you are expecting. If I recall correctly, there was some discussion a while ago about them eliminating some, or all, of them. Best of luck.
  48. 1 point
    You're reaching. You're trying to make privelege sound like an accomplishment.
  49. 1 point
    Yeah. Seems better to own up to it and say - hey, the lsat wasn't indicative of my ability. Here's my undergrad transcript, along with my gold medal at bond and my 2 publications, and my Aussie court of appeal clerkship, and summer job at some very well regarded Aussie firm.
  50. 1 point
    Are you sure you don't already have a shot at Ottawa? Your cGPA is excellent.
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