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  1. 5 points
    Congrats to everyone who has just been accepted! If any of you have any questions about LOCs or registering, or anything else really, send me a PM and I'll be more than happy to do the best I can to help This also applies to anyone who will be accepted in the next couple of days! It's kind of a confusing process at first, so I'll be more than happy to do the best I can to help
  2. 4 points
  3. 4 points
    Just got the email and a phone call. Will be accepting. 31/71 on the final waitlist. I'm pumped! Can't wait to meet everyone!!
  4. 4 points
    Well that does suggest writing an entire factum from scratch for the next day.
  5. 3 points
    I know its been mentioned before, but I'm not sure if further studies at a Canadian university would help you get to your goal. U of T, McGill, and UBC are usually touted as the better Canadian law schools but, as far as I can tell, its rare for graduates of those schools to find teaching positions at what you, as a foreigner, would consider to be a top law school. As far as I can tell, even the schools from which they graduate have a preference for Oxbridge / T14 educated applicants. Their graduates typically have better luck (though not necessarily good luck) at other Canadian schools that are reasonably well regarded in Canada but don't have much of a reputation outside Canada. Ask yourself, as a foreigner intent on teaching at a top law school, whether you'd be satisfied with an outcome that has you teaching, if you're lucky, in places like the University of Windsor, the University of Manitoba, Thompson Rivers University, or the University of New Brunswick. They're great schools but probably not what you're hoping for.
  6. 3 points
    While I provided more technical answers to your questions (i.e. what degrees would be required, whether lack of residency would be a bar), I didn't provide you with the dose of reality that you need and which Diplock's reply gets to. This isn't an easy path. Getting into good LLM programs and, to an even greater extent, SJD programs is competitive and I'm not sure how they would evaluate your LLB degree (what are your grades like? how well regarded is your law school? etc.). Getting a job on the law teaching market is also very hard. And even if you get an LLM and SJD you will be competing with applicants who also have a Canadian JD, perhaps clerked at a Canadian appellate court, etc. Lack of knowledge of Canadian law or of a particular topic is less of a problem. The view among profs is generally that the first time you teach something you are barely ahead of your students and that even if you don't know a particular area, that you are smart enough to get it and teach it (which is why schools consider hiring international faculty at all...and why law schools let me teach a first year course that I knew nothing about (aside from a very small piece of the course on which I was an expert)).
  7. 3 points
    Just got admitted! Thank you to everyone who was there for me during this cycle! :)!!!
  8. 2 points
    Its got nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with market forces/firm resources.
  9. 2 points
    Okay I'm back. I got a 160 on the June test. How are my chances looking? I am considering rewriting again -I'm just pretty tired of the test right now and want to avoid it but I'll do it if need be. My top choices are Queen's and Dal.
  10. 2 points
    It's so fulfilling seeing people who really want it get in
  11. 2 points
    If that's the case then spot 31 is gonna open up!! Fingers crossed!!
  12. 2 points
    There was a mixup, and UOttawa thought I was attending. Today that was fixed and they cancelled my admission. Therefore someone on the waitlist should be getting in shortly.
  13. 2 points
    Hey guys, good news! I was last minute admitted to University of Ottawa last night and will be accepting their offer and declining my offer from U of A today (my flight to Alberta was literally this afternoon... talk about timing)! Hopefully one of you guys will be given my spot. Good luck!
  14. 2 points
    I second this. A lawyer asking a student to write a factum is a compliment. I don't ask a student who can barely turn out a decent memo to touch anything going to the Court of Appeal.
  15. 2 points
    Am I the only one who thinks that replies, thus far, have been remarkably generous, to the point of very likely giving the OP a delusional impression of what's available to him (or her)? It seems to me that the OP is woefully unqualified for the work he aspires to. Leaving aside the degrees and the years it takes to obtain them (which the OP has openly stated he doesn't have the time or the money to pursue) there is nothing at all in anything he's said to this point that even hints at a sincere interest in legal scholarship. I haven't heard anything about research interests, policy concerns, publications, etc. What I've heard repeatedly is that he wants to "teach." Broadly, there are two kinds of people who are employed as faculty in law schools. The first are true academics - not just teachers, but researchers and scholars in their areas of study. The publish articles. They edit and write books. Are you doing anything at all remotely in this vein right now? The second are practitioners, who are otherwise employed as working lawyers, who mainly teach as a sideline to their day jobs, because it attracts recognition and status, as well as for satisfaction. Once in a rare while I've seen a practitioner slide into more full-time teaching, but generally speaking they were an authority before beforehand, just an authority in practice rather than in legal academia, and so they still aren't being recruited just because they are an effective teacher. It's nice that you've indicated you might be willing, just for a few years, to work in one of the positions that most students struggle just to obtain, before offering your talents to the lucky law school that may be inclined to recruit you. But you deserve to know what you're up against. Maybe you're a superstar where you are coming from. Maybe you are the kind of student who is turning in work of such quality that multiple members of faculty are asking you to RA for them and to co-author papers they intend to submit for publication. Maybe you are editing your schools Law Journal and publishing work that's relevant enough that lawyers and not just students are reading and citing it. But so far I've heard none of that. I've just heard you want to teach in a Canadian law school. This may not be the hot idea that you think it is. That's all I'm saying.
  16. 1 point
    Ok? Congrats again new admits.
  17. 1 point
    I'm a second year call and my name still doesn't appear on most of my work product and I prefer it that way.
  18. 1 point
    Oh good lord. What is this, Valentines day in Kindergarden? If anyone's jealous because someone else got an ITO's and they didn't, they need to grow up. And how does it eliminate jealousy, at most for those immature enough to be jealous of their peers, it just defers it for a few weeks. Ditto, stress? First I'm not sure how eliminating ITOs or PFOs reduces stress, if its uncertainty that is the cause of stress, dragging that uncertainty out only makes it worse, not better. Second, if you're planning to work in biglaw (or, heck, law generally) better start learning to deal with stress.
  19. 1 point
    I use a combination of updates from groups I'm subscribed to, lawyers' mailing list, attending professional development, checking the websites of the SCC and major courts of appeals, reading relevant decisions reported in the news, reading blogs I subscribe to and word of mouth. It just kind of organically happens.
  20. 1 point
    Congratulations on the score improvement. You should receive a positive response from Queen's and Western sometime between January and March 2018. I also think you'll hear from Dal this December.
  21. 1 point
    My idea comes from the position that 1) you aren't working for the firm while doing the PLTC, and 2) there is no requirement by the regulatory authority to pay students while they attend the PLTC. You can't confuse ethics in the defined and regulated sense as applied to lawyers, with "ethics" as you've described it meaning something you don't agree with. Market forces come into play irrespective of how lucrative a firm is. If a firm doesn't offer to pay for the PLTC and still attracts the level of talent they want, that's their call. Your position could be extended to say "ethical" firms should pay the last year of university for their summer students as that's a burden they are required to overcome to do work for them.
  22. 1 point
    I think you probably have a solid shot at Queen's for sure. That's an amazing L2 and a decent new LSAT (only a couple of points off of the average accepted at Queen's). I would suspect you also have a solid chance at Dal too, but I don't know as much about them.
  23. 1 point
    Well.. let me tell you that the answer is: ..... drum roll!...................... .......... no! The law society does not regulate the substance of student contracts. There is no link to this requirement because it does not exist. It seems mandatory, because every ethical firm out there recognizes that, instead of offloading their own expenses onto a student who is drowning in student debt, it should compensate the student for generating profit or doing the drone work. I know plenty of smaller firms who didn't pay during PLTC as well. I suspect it is far more common in smaller firms. You will almost never find a bigger/medium-sized firm that doesn't.
  24. 1 point
    Another screw up by Ottawa again Why can't they tell you or others to respond to a special email address or call a special number when they send you the late offer You waited too long to ask for help here. If you are in Ottawa, go to the Admin office asap before your offer expires
  25. 1 point
    The best practice is doing old exams. Some people find it beneficial to use the books that try to teach you methods to solve problems, but I don't think working through more than 2 of them will be helpful for the great majority of people. On the outside, I would plan for 2 months of prep, and I think 8 hours a day is probably going to risk harm. You'll do your best on the LSAT when you think clearly, calmly and patiently. I tutored it and most people who I saw doing worse than their potential were very anxious and rushed. They wouldn't clearly finish a whole thought because they were trying to anticipate how long the next thought would take. I think if you try to do 8 hours a day of what is, in the end, very repetitive thinking, you will be mentally heavily fatigued and your mind will start to rush through questions. It's probably more accurate to think of LSAT prep as prepping for a race - you should actually be winding it down by the time you get to test day, and you shouldn't be running a marathon every day to train. I think 2 months prep, 5 days a week, 4 hours a day at the absolute most. My approach was to start by giving myself 2x the allotted time to finish sections/tests, then 1.75x, then 1.5x etc. At the end I was doing the full test in about 90% allotted time and was very calm throughout.
  26. 1 point
    check your spam mail If you don't hear anything by 1 pm today, give them a call
  27. 1 point
    Thank you! Hoping it comes soon! And thanks for the insight. I'll keep a lookout.
  28. 1 point
    I would say course selection of UVIC LLM is probably more limited somehow. I think the tuition of Canadian SJD program is even lower than that of its LLM program sometimes. I am not sure if that's government fund to sponsor or encourage development of scholar. It is absolutely much lower compared to counterpart of America. Definitely don't rule out this. I think if you want to study LLM program, I think Canada is really a great place to be. That's put the worst case scenario, if you fail to secure teaching position in Canada. If that happens, you are probably be viewed as favorable candidates when you return to your country. When juxtaposing with domestic Phd, you are probably be slightly favored and has slightly or tiny advantage over them . But if you choose LLM or SJD path, you are probably less favored by firm because way of training is probably not the same as JD , Only appointed by law school in Canada, you can probably start to apply Canadian citizenship.. Or else, you might have to leave there. Or you probably have to consult immigration lawyer how to immigrate to Canada while you are there, so that you can stay longer or stay any time you want. I think in my country, if one graduating from top 3 law school and is within top 5% of that school, I might say that he has a good shots to become judge or prosecutors after a few year of preparation of exam. That's also high pay job, and doesn't cost much.. But after all, it's all about personal selection of career path. Studying abroad may challenge one's in multiple ways, financially, emotionally, or intellectually. It will result in nostalgic feeling and emotional loneliness sometimes. It will also challenge one's saving in the bank account, make sure to save that in advance and have those sponsored and fund ready before one departs. It will help transition easier. cheer.
  29. 1 point
    Received a personal email from the Admissions Officer indicating I was admitted. Good luck!
  30. 1 point
    I do not believe it is mandatory unless contractual. There are no law society rules regarding compensation and the ESA doesn't apply to articling students.
  31. 1 point
    Holy crap. I'm 31. Heart is racing. Fingers crossed!! Was there an email or did you just check uozone?
  32. 1 point
    In as well, right behind you on the wait list. Will be accepting!!! See you next week.
  33. 1 point
    Congratulations! I feel there is still hope now. I'm 50/71. Fingers crossed to get in.
  34. 1 point
  35. 1 point
    What is with all the can-I-cut-this-corner-and-still-achieve-my-dream threads recently?
  36. 1 point
    Well, thank-you to everyone for putting things into perspective . My experience is not the best case scenario, but it doesn't seem that bad either after seeing the responses. I greatly appreciate y'all taking the time to respond. Hopefully, this will be of some use to future students.
  37. 1 point
    I am also from Asia. and also finish LLB. I may share what I observe, I hear foreigner, if you are accepted in Canadian JD program rather than American JD, you could apply Canadian permanent residents after you get hired in the job or firm. That's something I found out on the internet blog, so that's the good things for you if you can successfully admitted to Canadian JD and if you can get hired by firm. You might have a shot to live in Canada and be immigrant to Canada. Fresh air, Beautiful lake, nice weather, beautiful cottages yes really cold sometimes in winter and slightly higher cost of living compared to some of Asian country .. I hear from online blog, for some jobs, if one or Asian possess American JD, but without American citizenship, one's chance of being hired will reduced considerably sometimes because that just trouble employer. (I read it online from some blog) As for teaching job , you probably need to get LLM / SJD rather than JD . But this type of degree is probably less favorable by legal industry or firm and only favorable by academia , because that's too academia and one probably be more specialized or get too deep to one aspect of law or too theoretical of laws. It's good that one can drill deep for advancement of law but theoretical thoughts not necessarily mean practical things and applicable to daily life sometimes. Teaching Job, professorship, in my country, there is alternating path. if you have LLB/LLM +JD from America, one can also be qualified for applying for placement of assistant professor if one successfully hired. One probably need to file dissertation afterward. I am not sure how your country run this things. But those placements are not very common, . I would say LLB/LLM +SJD are in general probably the mainstream in my country, because some faculty of law will still evaluate by many type of standard such as, publication, books, teaching experience or award, rather than only aspect of "which law school one go to " basis. I think Canadian JD seats for international is very or highly limited, I didn't see anyone accepted into Canadian JD program from the Asia JD forum. I am not very sure what cause this peculiar phenomenon, therefore, I would not comment on your chance high or low, but if you insist on applying to Canadian JD Program, I would highly suggest you to apply really broadly across Canada. I don't know if it's international applicant pool is smaller, or seat of enrollment into law school from international is highly limited. Or it's in combination of both. Anyway it's just peculiar phenomenon to me because I just didn't see any anyone reporting being accepted into Canadian JD law program from Asian JD forum. But in contrast,, I saw a bunch of people with different variation of grade get accepted into various type of American law schools , a few from T14, quite a bit land on T1 or T2 . As for LLM , It's probably not very hard to get into T1 or T2 LLM of America if you have large sum of money and not very terrible gpa..USA LLM , money is true threshold, and is probably the most important thing. But if you want to study LLM in Canada, I know Uvic is much more flat rate than UBC. It charge the foreigner and Canadian the same amount, and flat rate. It probably take international applicants too. It seems to me that LLM in Canada take more international applicants compared to JD. I guess. Or UBC LLM Common Law , program, it's a very good program. , it may convert your LLB into Canadian to common law degree, and You have to write less NCA exams, but employment will face uphill battle sometimes, and it may work best for Canadian with LLB because they can stay in country. It's probably much more challenging for the international applicants. hope it help. cheer.
  38. 1 point
    OK, now I'm confused, what more do you want. He gives you positive feedback? Hold onto him, most lawyers don't do that - I was always terrible about that. As for the cost/lost of including a student's name on work. In some cases - a factum, for example, it's not appropriate. In others, it may be a client management issue - putting two names on a memo may cause a client to think he's being overbilled. Some clients refuse to pay for work done by students (which is irrational, since students may be cheaper, doesn't mean it's not a real thing). Here's the thing. You're thinking of this like a writer - you want to be credited with your ideas. Get over that. That's not the way the practice of law works. The sort of practices that we'd labour plagiarism in law school are called "using a precedent" in the practice of law. If you write a solid memo on some generic topic, it will likely be reused dozens of times - each time the lawyer re-using it will put their own name on it. You're doing all that work for your lawyers. What they do with it is up to them. Your recognition is the paycheck you get.
  39. 1 point
    OP, check your bank account every two weeks and see if anything is being deposited in there. That's all the credit you deserve for your work.
  40. 1 point
    If you do that you'll be out of material in the first month. There's really no reason to just do the LSAT and literally nothing else. Get a job or something to keep your mind off the stuff. I would say start off dense if you want, just to get through the initial starter material. But if you do eight hour days, for four months, I suspect eventually you'll start doing more harm than good.
  41. 1 point
    It's not a completely ridiculous question, and I suppose there's a chance that someone, at some point in many interviews, might care. But that seems like a pain in the ass thing to do in order to avoid a small chance of a problem in the future. I wouldn't bother.
  42. 1 point
    I would be careful about assuming you are going to land a 3.8 average just because you'll be trying harder, as upper-level courses are significantly harder than 200 or 100 level courses at most schools. Otherwise, good luck!
  43. 1 point
    The Davies PFO is a truly a rite of passage for young bright-eyed 2Ls.
  44. 1 point
    It's up to you to communicate that clearly through your writing so we don't have to try to figure it out.
  45. 1 point
    Is this how you were taught to do research for your undergrad papers, go online and ask random strangers if something is "right"? Isn't the point of writing the paper for you to explain to someone else whether it's right or not? I suppose it's easier than, you know, pulling some textbooks, reading some relevant caselaw and generally thinking for yourself.
  46. 1 point
    Oh man, it feels so good to finally tell my family and friends I made it in. If you think I was active on this forum expressing how badly I wanted it, you should've seen me in person. Thanks for everything though folks. You all helped me through a very long and stressful cycle. Can't feel more fortunate to have everyone behind me
  47. 1 point
    Every time this topic comes up, I feel like the board moves quickly to extremes and starts talking about the ethics of the profession in hyperventilating terms. I grant you, I've been there also, when someone asks directly about misrepresentation in their application. But this is a very mild example of that situation. My first instinct is to agree with the OP that a few weeks of attendance at a post-secondary institution, followed by withdrawal, is basically irrelevant to any law school application. That is not to say it should be omitted. It should properly be included simply because it's the law schools that get to make the decision as to whether it's irrelevant or not, and the applicant shouldn't substitute his judgment for theirs. But I don't need to read into the OP's original question that he is contemplating some kind of deliberate fraud. The much simpler, and very plausible, explanation is simply that it's a pain in the ass to obtain a transcript in this situation, and all else being equal it's work he'd rather not do. I certainly can relate. Of course it's always best to follow the strict letter of any rule. When at all in doubt, err on the side of caution. But seriously, who among us follows that practice at all times - when we're doing our taxes, when we're driving, when someone hits on us and we know our significant other would want to know about it but we'd rather not get into explanations? Again, I'm not saying that anyone should play fast and loose with the ethics of the profession. In fact I'd agree that the ethics of legal practice demand a stricter adherence to the letter of the rules than how one does one's taxes, or how one drives, or the degree to which one is honest in a relationship. And I suppose application to law school is plausibly more in the ambit of good character conduct than other things might be. But still. There are limits, okay? Someone asking "seriously, do I really need to bother with this apparently pointless exercise in frustration" is not clearly saying "I want to lie and cheat and steal, do you think that's okay?" And treating them as though they did just say that is ridiculous. I strongly suspect (this is NOT legal advice) that if anyone left out a transcript in which they had no grades and only withdrew from a term, any law school and any Law Society would accept "I really didn't think it was required" as a full explanation. That's just my opinion and my prediction. This is not to say it's worth inviting that complication in the future. But do I really think anyone would turn it into an ethical issue even if it were uncovered? No. And to build on the above, it's important to give reasonable advice here (follow the strict letter of the rules if only because it's easier to do so than invite future complications) but I also don't think we need to move to some nth-degree extreme that even the authorities probably wouldn't assume. Anyway, that's all.
  48. 1 point
    I was accepted off the waitlist this afternoon and was initially number 95 on the waitlist. However, I have declined my offer because I've decided to attend UVic. GPA: 84.4% (confirmed) LSAT: 160
  49. 1 point
    I would imagine the answer to this is practice specific too. Maybe I'm talking out of my ass, but I assume it takes much longer for a litigator to fully be confident in their own work compared to a lawyer doing real estate. I'm 3 months post call and I feel I'm drowning in inexperience and that everything takes forever to do.
  50. 1 point
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