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  1. 50 points
    Like many of you, I could not believe it when I saw it. After getting rejected everywhere last year, I wasn't sure if I was going to get in. I am happy to say that I was accepted today. LFG!!! cGPA: 3.62 LSAT: 156
  2. 22 points
    I turned down this offer earlier today. Thank you all for your input.
  3. 17 points
    1. Some people will not graduate with an articling position and will have to go to great lengths to find a position. 2. Some people will have awful experiences articling. I had a position that lasted one day, I left and never went back. I was yelled at and berated by a sole practitioner. Don't "stick it out" it's not worth your self-respect and dignity. Anyone that tells you to stick it out doesn't care about you. No-my "reputation" wasn't ruined. Yes- I found another position within two weeks. 3. Some people will job hunt for 8-12+ months. It can be depressing. Apply to non-law jobs in the meantime, it's not the end of the world. 4. Many lawyers are too proud to admit they struggled to find articling and/or an associate position but trust me you are not alone if you found this post by googling "i cant find an articling position" or "i cant find an associate lawyer position" or "im an unemployed lawyer". Keep your chin up and stop letting a title define your worth. 5. Yes this can happen if you have good grades, summered/articled at a "top firm" or went to a prestigious Canadian law school. 6. Yes it can leave you feeling worthless. But you're not. Stop the negative thinking it will get you nowhere. 7. Yes there's a whole wonderful world outside of our law "bubble". Get out of the damn bubble. 8. I went through all of this. I survived. I have a wonderful position now. 9. I am posting this to give someone the support they need to push through. 10. You are smart and talented. There are so many opportunities out there for you. The world will beat you enough, don't add to it by beating yourself up.
  4. 16 points
    Ok. Now I know all I need to know. Tell these people to go fuck themselves. Edit to add: Don't actually say that. But this is shady as fuck.
  5. 16 points
    Baby Lawyer sounds like a really bad movie starring the Rock as the part-time dad of Baby Lawyer who gets looped in to helping Baby Lawyer take on a big bad pharmaceutical company all the way to SCOTUS and along the way learns the true meaning of fatherhood.
  6. 14 points
    I'm not quite as virulent on this topic as I once was, but I would strongly urge the OP (and anyone else presuming to advise the OP - especially those without a history in this profession) to remember that the articling relationship is not an ordinary job. This is true both in terms of the articling candidate's rights and obligations, and the employer's rights and obligations. I took a glance at the OP's history. They graduated in April of last year and only found articles recently. Not long ago they were looking for anything at all, I'm sure. And while a PI firm offering low pay isn't ideal (I can't even fault them for the commute - that's on you for applying there) they at least were willing to pick up a student in the off season and it's still paid. It could be a lot worse. And so far I'm seeing nothing that goes to any dissatisfaction in the actual articling relationship - no issues with supervision, learning experience, etc. My biggest concern is this. Does your new proposed employer know that you are already doing articles elsewhere? If no, you have a problem, and you should probably come clean with them. Because lying your way through this profession is a bad, bad idea. If yes, you may have an even bigger problem. And that's simply because it is almost inconceivably bad form to hire an articling student who is already employed. That isn't to say it can't be done with appropriate caution. But I can barely imagine another firm saying "this person has articles elsewhere, but we'll just offer them a job and see what they do." My point being, if that's what they are doing you probably don't want to work there anyway. It's a little like hooking up with the guy who's cheating on his wife and his existing mistress to be with you. You gotta ask yourself - even if you end up with him, what do you expect in the future? I won't say you need to stay where you are right now. But talk with them honestly about it. A month ago you would have killed for articles anywhere. Maybe this isn't the best time to immediately burn the only bridge anyone has extended to you.
  7. 13 points
    This will seem petty but I swear it isn’t: it’s “advice.”. Advice is a noun. You want advice. Give me advice. Inviting advice. It is pronounced exactly as it is spelled Advise is a verb. I advise you to wait. You advise action. Advise me. It is pronounced as if the “s” were a “z”. It is a very very common mistake but as a new lawyer you need to know the difference.
  8. 13 points
    Chicago Kent is a bottom second-tier law school in the US ranked around 72 of the 200 law schools there. Why would a Canadian who presumably wants to practice law in Canada AND has good stats apply to crappy foreign law schools?
  9. 13 points
    In my other life I work in emergency management (part of trying to stay healthy eh!) That is one area where i have seen a real shift in perspective around mental health. It still needs work, don't get me wrong, but the change from - oh if you can't handle a little blood and guts this isn't for you, and "drink it off" to today's debriefs, mental resiliency training and proactive approaches is night and day. The legal profession has been talking about this in the corners and around the periphery for too long in my opinion. We still hold up as pillars people who are living really unhealthy lives. We still don't take care of people that deal with just totally horrible situations on a daily basis. I did one child porn case when I was just starting out and still get actual physical symptoms when I think about it. How legal professionals (defense, crown or judge) go though some of the child abuse trials that you hear about without some level of assistance is beyond me. I really hope they get the help they need. As a first-responder, if I go to an incident where someone is stabbed. I will likely go back to the hall, fill out a form (I know weird eh - but PTSD is cumulative- so we want to make sure we are tracking exposure), I will do a debrief with my crew, if we have any issues/symptoms we can take it up the chain and professionals will be brought in. We then talk about healthy approaches to what we have dealt with- exercise to help flush adrenaline, mindfulness, talking with our team) we will be reminded of the symptoms of PTSD, our family are invited to talk to our mental health practitioners and most importantly we commit to watching out for each other. The defense counsel who will be going through all the gory details of that incident with the victim, perpetrator with the family of both right behind him or her gets what? We do have the Lawyers Assistance Program - which I encourage all students and lawyers to learn about hopefully prior to needing it - http://lapbc.com/ I just think we need to be serious about this issue and it requires a culture shift.
  10. 12 points
    Did you call and inquire before you applied? That would have been the intelligent thing to do if this was a real concern of yours. Come on, people. All these cries of 'unfair' are a bit silly. Who ever told you that life was fair? If you're this upset over a stated policy that you didn't investigate further, what are you going to do when you don't like being graded on a curve, or you don't get more OCIs than a classmate, or someone else gets hired back and you don't? I would caution those of you making the negative comments about those who have received acceptances, to remember that you may get in and then those people you are denigrating will be your classmates. Is this really the way you want to meet new friends, classmates and future colleagues? Lastly, it's mid-March. There is still lots of time to go in this cycle and there are likely to be many more offers made. Waiting sucks but allowing it to direct your confusion/anger/resentment towards others isn't productive and ultimately will only make the waiting worse.
  11. 12 points
    Where did you read that? Whoever wrote it clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. Look, there are some good articling experiences and some bad ones. Just as there are some good jobs with great co-workers and bosses, and terrible jobs with a toxic work environment. Overall, the reason articling involves stress and long hours is because that is exactly what the practice of law entails. This is not because a "toxic work environment" has been normalized in the profession. It's a simple reality that most lawyers are expected to be on call 24/7, have to work longer than 9-5 out of sheer necessity, and deal with stressful situations purely by the fact that the entire job is about dealing with conflict. If I had an articling experience where I was working 9-5 with only moderate pressure (all of which would have to be artificially enforced) I would have completely crumbled as an associate when I could not work 9-5 and would have the entire weight of a file on me. This is not to say that there aren't genuinely abusive articling positions out there. There are. But this view that the entire profession has a disposition towards exploitation is just silly. Insofar as people are complaining to the law society because they think their working hours are "unreasonable" or they are too stressed out, I'd suggest they quit right now because the practice of law is not for them.
  12. 12 points
    What people normally mean by "strong ECs" is "weak grades and/or LSAT." I've known students who had ECs that would make the average applicant cry out of frustration, if they knew that's what the competition looked like. But those aren't the students talking about their "strong ECs" at all. The students who talk up their ECs were the Presidents of their "pre-law" clubs. The ones who are on the Boards of national NFPs, who wrote books, were published in scholarly journals as undergrads, who compete internationally as athletes...they don't say anything at all. And generally they ALSO have strong grades and LSATs.
  13. 12 points
    I don't know if it was an off-the-cuff addition when you wrote about your sister's "deep depression" but assuming this is at all accurate, your approach to this situation is entirely wrong. I'm sorry, but it is. Put it this way. If you were concerned that your sister was falling into a deep depression because she couldn't find a boyfriend, would you be on a dating site right now, trying to solve this problem for her? Or would you be focused (as you should be) on your sister's precarious mental health rather than the thing that triggered her precarious mental health? Stressors and hurdles in law and legal practice are pretty much never-ending. After finding articles comes the stage where a job very likely doesn't live up to one's dreams, and you're working really punishing hours for a lawyer or a firm that may not appear to appreciate or value your work. Or you're working on a file (to use an immigration-related example) where your client is likely to be deported and he's telling you his life isn't worth living if that happens and he's going to kill himself, and yet there's nothing you can do to prevent it from happening. Or it's simply that you article, don't get hired back, and you're in the same situation - unemployed. This isn't going to stop for your sister. Right now, she's experiencing an ordinary sort of problem. If it's seriously impacting her mental health, then that's the problem - not the challenge she's immediately experiencing right now. You aren't in a position to solve your sister's career for her. It's nice you want to try, but you aren't reasonably equipped to do that. Get your sister support with her depression and with her mental health. That's how you help.
  14. 12 points
    I’m not even sure UT lets you graduate if you don’t own your own caviar spoons. Anyway, as long as you have one tux for each day of the week, you’ll be fine.
  15. 11 points
    The trick to succeeding at property law is realizing that it is fun. People try to make it boring or confusing, but they are wrong and bad. You can dig into just about any part of property law and find some interesting bit of trivia, or an exciting bit of history. For example, you have of course watched Showtime's wonderful program, The Tudors. Has your professor pointed out that the various equitable interests generally stem from reforms done by Cardinal Wolsey (played by Sam Neill)? Or all the fun property law based prosecutions he did to prevent the enclosure movement? The statute of fraud's rise due to the increase of the use of uses (now trusts) and the fact that you can't pass a trust through livery of seisen? And the torren's system - it can be a dry subject at time, but there is drama behind its introduction, practically everywhere that has adopted the system has had to fight against the local legal profession to get it put into place.
  16. 11 points
    Accepted today! cGPA: 2.98 L2: 3.70 LSAT: 159 General applicant
  17. 11 points
    >First contested application in chambers. >Get booted to a judge instead of a master. Never done that but ok. >Judge visibly annoyed at this matter being sprung on him during his break. >I have to break it to Judge that this will take 1 hour instead of 20 minutes (that's why we were booted). >Judge is now really upset. >Opposing counsel goes first, says respondent has to produce documents. >Judge in visible agreement. >My turn, first sentence about privacy, Judge says privacy is not relevant ... very awkwardly take Judge to case to prove my point >Judge visibly displeased, tells me to continue, I finish my argument >Opposing counsel replies and in the process mischaracterizes one case, sits down. >...silence as Judge deliberates with a scowl... >I slowly rise to clarify the mischaracterized case >Judge stares daggers at me and says loudly: "You Don't Get a Second Chance". >Fall into my chair, scarred for life. apparently I was not technically entitled to a reply. It goes 1. appellant, 2. respondent (me), 3. appellant reply. Judge decides that I have to produce documents for the court and the opposing party to review so judgment is delayed until that happens. Happy ending: >second appearance. >argue about each document. >Judge decides in my favor for every single one of them.
  18. 11 points
    I find the 3 things that help me keep stress under control are: 1. Exercise - most people in high-powered jobs turn to either exercise or alcohol/drugs to cope. Stick with exercise and make it a daily part of your routine, if possible. Do something where you're moving and/or reacting quickly and don't have time to think about work (e.g., team sports like hockey or basketball, cross-fit, running, etc.) 2. See my friends every weekend - it helps to associate with people who are not in law so that you can talk about things other than work 3. Perspective - When I go to bed and when I wake up, I try to make a conscious effort to be thankful for how good I have it in life compared to many others, or to myself in the past. If I'm stressing about work at those times of day, sometimes I'll think about the laborious, low-paying jobs I worked before law school and find myself thankful I'm working in a comfortable office with a view and getting paid more than both of my parents combined. Sometimes I'll think about how several of my friends have had parents get sick or pass away recently and find myself thankful that my family and I are all in good health and get to see each other every day, and that's far, far more important than some work deadline.
  19. 10 points
    Accepted Nov 28. LSAT - 174 GPA - 3.99 Probably rejecting for Harvard
  20. 10 points
    I articled working 9-5 and thrived as an associate. Hell, I still do 45-50 tops, except for trial times. Though if you really love working that many hours, I'll leave you my card. My separation agreement rates are very reasonable.
  21. 10 points
    Learn to cook and do your own laundry and iron a dress shirt. Get a suit and wear it around a bit until it’s a comfortable outfit and not a dress up costume. My usual advice is to go to a fancy bar and order a drink. Update all your health stuff - prescriptions, glasses, teeth, get a physical, etc. Then get photos of your family and friends developed and throw them in some frames. You’re going to want them in your new digs. Finish the novel you have been meaning to read. Finish knitting the scarf you started or building the shed in your parent’s backyard or whatever. Finish your tasks to feel good and motivated for the next steps. Read Getting To Maybe and relax.
  22. 10 points
    Christ. People try to help you and this is the response. I shall be concise: Terrible LSAT. Mediocre GPA. 1% at a Canadian law school. 90% at a UK law school and a long, difficult road that will be impeded by your horrible attitude.
  23. 10 points
    Sur 8 cabinets (dont un hors entente), j'ai reçu qu'un refus par courriel en date du 13 février. Mais j'ai trouvé un vieux 5$ dans mon manteau, donc c'est une belle journée quand même.
  24. 10 points
    Accepted today!! cGPA 3.69 OLSAS cGPA 3.6 LSAT 154 Good luck to everyone waiting to hear
  25. 9 points
    I say the below with respect and acknowledge your good stats. I can understand that from your position things may not seem fair and waiting out for a decision you really want to hear back from really sucks. But I also say this as one of those 153 LSAT maritimers you seem to be looking down your nose at. I'm also saying this because every time someone tries to explain this to you you seem to escalate into this 'not fair' narrative. In an earlier comment you mentioned the 153 student really shows you what UNB is looking for. I would agree in that the school is looking at factors that cannot be determined by numbers alone. I would also dare suggest that said person perhaps demonstrated other traits that the school was looking for. We do not know if they were accepted simply because they were from the maritimes. Honestly you seem to be blaming maritimers for not leaving room for you at UNB. Why should they when you yourself stated that the main reason you wanted to go there was because of the small student body. Maritimers have been born and raised there, not to mention demonstrated some measure of loyalty to a province that has barely anything going for it (no offence to my NB brothers and sisters, but it is true). You have been accepted to other schools and yet are totally caught up on this 'how dare they' complex directed at UNB; a school that is honestly trying its hardest to maintain the law infrastructure in the province because if they dont then you can count on no one else doing it. This is an assumption, but it seems you want to come in for 3 years to a school with only 96 seats then immediately leave, so honestly why should the school accept you ahead of a maritimer? I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed in, but I'm trying to put this into perspective, much like IrishStew and CrystalClear. I agree that province preference isn't necessarily fair, but every professional school does it because there aren't enough schools to go around and ultimately people tend to just go back home once they are done. Each school has a duty to maintain the professional structure of the province it is in first and foremost. It may not seem fair, but it is actually an ethical principle that puts the province's health ahead of individuals' desires. If the school accepted only the highest scoring applicants then it would quickly fill its seats with people from the GTA, Montreal, etc because that is where the greatest concentrations of people are. Thus, there would be much less room for maritimers and the province could quickly be beset by hard times. Lastly, regional preferences are certainly not "as unfair as it gets". I would argue that preferences along racial and gender lines would be far worse and have no effective basis when it came to eventual post graduation.
  26. 9 points
    LSAT: 175 CGPA: 3.5 (strong upward trend) Weak softs, decent PS Likely going to Western
  27. 9 points
    Yes, you're right. It's impossible to seek this information without using language that is likely to offend people - certainly likely to offend you - and so sooner than ask the question at all and risk speaking in these terms, it's better to pretend information is simply non-existent and/or unknowable. Because that's obviously better. You know, I think the OP's question is stupid. But I think responses of this nature are even more stupid. Of course every kind of decision-making is shrouded in uncertainty, and comparisons are necessarily imperfect. But if someone wants to know if being a visible minority is or is not an advantage of any sort in application to law school, it's not inherently an invalid question. And it shouldn't need to be couched in three paragraphs of context ("of course I know that any perceived consideration given to visible minorities is not really reflective of lower admissions standards but only a necessary and still insufficient correction for the disadvantages they have faced in the course of ...." etc. etc. etc.) And baiting someone into speaking in ever-more racially charged terms (which is what you were trying to do) just so you can spring an ultimate "gotcha!" at the end is not helpful. Let me expose just how ridiculous and slanted your inquiry really is. Does white privilege exist? If yes, what is it being compared with? And if you are suggesting there are white people, anywhere, who owe some of what they have to this privilege, how would you know if they obtained any particular benefit due to their race? Something either exists or it doesn't. People who want to deny the existence of white privilege generally try to make the whole thing so difficult to talk about that everyone gives up, so they can go back to pretending it doesn't exist and hasn't affected anything at all. I'm honestly kinda surprised to see you deploying exactly the same tactic from the other side.
  28. 9 points
    Please please please PLEASE don't take unpaid articles this early. Some provinces are imposing a minimum wage salary for articling students. Ontario is slow to do this. It doesn't mean you need to do this yet. do not do this out of desperation. If you really want this specific articling experience because it's in the very specific niche you're hoping to work in later, then think really really hard whether it's worth it. The presumption should be it's not worth it, especially at this stage. You have value and worth. Don't forget that.
  29. 9 points
    Although your statements quoted above are not factually inaccurate, maybe you should leave it to people actually practicing law to discuss what the reality is like. Your candy-coated ideas about putting up a website, waiting for people to call you, and then quoting them whatever amount of money you feel like charging them are frankly a bit offensive. You might as well tell someone to sit at a keyboard all day, write whatever they feel like writing, and then tell a publisher what they want to be paid for it. And then voila! Instant self-employment as an author, and at a good income! Seriously. There's a time and a place for would-be applicants to law school to chat with one another, here. But you don't know what you're talking about, right now.
  30. 9 points
    Without being too much of a kiss-ass, this reminds me of the mods' good work here. And it seems like a good time to thank them for doing the presumably thankless job of preventing an anonymous internet forum from degenerating into a venue for racist trolls and spammers. You guys are all excellent.
  31. 9 points
    Accepted this morning and this is my first acceptance! OLSAS GPA: 3.67 (Currently in fourth year so no L2) LSAT: 145,147,154,160 General Applicant
  32. 9 points
    Accepted Saturday morning 3.41 CGPA 154 LSAT (highest) good luck to those still waiting! Stats aren't everything
  33. 9 points
    Faut pas abandonner tout espoir. Je ne donne pas trop de détails, mais j'ai reçu un appel d’un cabinet pour une entrevue sans rien avoir reçu l’année passée. UdeM, GPA juste en dessous de 3, mais avec un baccalauréat antérieur, plusieurs années d'expérience de travail dans une entreprise et quelques expériences liées au droit. Les notes ne sont pas toujours l’élément le plus important. Everything is possible!
  34. 9 points
    I always assume people who thought law school was great must have had awful undergrad experiences. I loved every minute of my undergraduate degree. Law school was superficial and utilitarian. I would have quit after the first semester if I had no desire to practice law. If not for the clinic experiences and summer jobs I don't think I would have survived.
  35. 8 points
    First Ontario acceptance! 3.4 cgpa, 3.73 L2, 158 LSAT Extensive ECs and work experience. PS tailored to Windsor.
  36. 8 points
    Accepted this morning 167, 3.8
  37. 8 points
    But you’re missing how much more difficult it is to get B+ and 153 when you come from a reserve with schools full of mold that can’t retain teachers, you have to leave your community for high school, your family is dealing with the fallout from residential schools, you are unprepared for university due to all of this, the test itself has biases, etc etc. So how can it be easier? A white suburban person’s 153 is not the same as the 153 of many (not all) indigenous people. I know some schools struggle to fill their “aboriginal” spots or do not fill them all sone years.
  38. 8 points
  39. 8 points
    Yeah, see, but that is in fact toxic. You have drunk the koolaid and are now shilling it around. The fact is, law firms, especially the kind to expect associates to work consistently 60 hour weeks, are massively profitable. The margins are staggering and the business is pretty much dead simple. Not only is it not necessary that those employees work 60-70 hours per week, every week, but it's not necessary that most lawyers even work 2000 hours per year. If law firms wanted to, they could have everyone work 30 or 40 hours per week on average ( sometimes those hours would still be bad) and pay them literally 1/2 of the salary that they pay their current associates and come out only slightly behind. The reality here is that law firms want to maximize the amount of revenue per chair or per licensing fee, or whatever the hell metric you decide to use, but the important part is that the only reason this is the expectation is because "the partners aren't going to be hiring any more associates than we already budgeted for" coupled with "the partners get paid according to how much they bill, plus some bonuses for how much work they bring in to the firm". And let's all stop this shit about law not being for anyone who isn't willing to work those kinds of bullshit hours. Yes, sometimes you will have to work harder, you will have a long trial with dailies and harsh deadlines, briefs due at 9 am in a trial where you just finished at 5:30 pm. Or you might have to put together a deal, or what have you, but in law there's a lot more opportunity to structure your life positively with lots of down time instead of running from tire fire to tire fire dabbing it out with your clients' hundred-dollar bills.
  40. 8 points
  41. 8 points
  42. 8 points
    Anyone can forge an acceptance, best to send in fingerprints or a saliva sample.
  43. 8 points
  44. 8 points
    FWIW - got through on the phone and the admissions officer said "there's no way the class is full yet" and that there are a "ton of applications that haven't even been sent over to the law office yet for review" and said that the message was a product of their new system and working things out therein.
  45. 8 points
    Accepted today! Cgpa: 3.66 LSAT: 154 General applicant. Strong PS, Strong LOR, Decent EC's. Very excited. No email yet. Status changed on uozone.
  46. 8 points
    I respect a range of opinions on this subject, but whatever anyone tends to think, it's important to be aware that the articling relationship is a special thing, and it implies obligations on both sides that go beyond ordinary employment. Talking about bailing on articles two weeks in is just different from leaving a new associate position two weeks in. They just aren't the same thing.
  47. 7 points
    Tête haute tout le monde! Félicitation à ceux qui ont reçu un deuxième appel, vous avez travailler fort et vous y être presque. Pour les ''déçus'' ce soir, c'est le temps de se trouver une job d'été DÈS maintenant, je sais que c'est rough, mais laissez pas les blues vous détourner de belles opportunités cet été. Il y a plein d'employeur dans différent milieu qui recherche des jeunes aussi dynamique que vous. Les belles jobs qui agrémente votre C.V ne se trouve pas au mois de Mai ou de Juin. C'est plus facile de curé son blues post-course avec une job à 25$/h qu'en coupant des gazon à 14$/h ou vendre du couvre-plancher au Rona pour 11,50$/h. Pour les deuxièmes années, Il y a toujours l'année prochaine! Continuer de travailler fort! Les efforts portes généralement fruit. - Gros love
  48. 7 points
    Not really. Government, small office, etc. Work-life balance isn't the caveat. My billings are lower, as is my salary, but a worthwhile trade. I was more being tongue-in-cheek where you say that those of us doing the 9-5 can't be hard workers/are entitled. I work fucking hard in a day, with minimal breaks. My articling was like that - breaks were unheard of, with clients/lawyers following me into the bathroom at times (though I did tell off opposing counsel for that). This isn't a race to the bottom either - just because other people have it shitty doesn't mean everyone should settle. Also, I digress, families that don't see each other are the reason why I am insanely busy. Hmmmm. I take it back - GO OUT AND WORK 100 HOURS PER WEEK PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
  49. 7 points
    I will offer a bit of advice as someone who has been practicing for several years now. I say this, understanding that many students graduate with ridiculous amounts of debt. For prospective students, minimize that as much as you can. Please give serious thought as to what type of practice you want to have; where you want to live; cost of living; ability to buy a home; commuting time; what type of work/life balance you are hoping to have, etc. Don't allow salary prospects to overwhelm every other factor.
  50. 7 points
    Summer before law school I got a job up in the wilderness. I brought a big collection of classic novels and read through a bunch of them when I wasn't working. I still feel like that was the best use of my time that summer, and regretted nothing.
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