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  1. 25 points
  2. 25 points
    Some people may tell you, at times, that you should regularly acknowledge your privilege when you have it. I'm not one of them. What you choose to acknowledge, or not, if your business, and people who shove your face in it at inopportune times are assholes. However, if someone else chooses to acknowledge their privilege, and you are triggered simply by hearing that, then you have become the asshole in the exchange. Big time. I'm not even going to refute your ignorance. I'll choose another time and place. You don't need to agree with every commonplace fact to function as a lawyer - and yes, the existence and nature of "privilege" if not its absolute contours is a commonly acknowledged fact - but you do need to be able to hear things you don't agree with without completely losing control of your sense of the appropriate. You're responding to an off-hand comment, and objecting simply to hearing someone else offer perspective on their own life. Right, wrong, or otherwise, someone else's perspective on their own life is none of your fucking business - even if they were wrong and you're right. Neither of which are true here, btw. Grow the fuck up.
  3. 25 points
    I don't mean to derail this conversation any more, but "work your ass off" means very different things for those who come from an extremely financially stable background vs. those who don't. It's a lot easier to "get into university, maintain a high GPA, pass the LSAT, get into law school, maintain good grades in law school, kill articling interviews, work yourself to the grindstone during articling, pass the bar" when you don't have to worry about financial burdens. utmguy is not guilty - he/she is just recognizing that he/she had it better than other people. No need to lambaste someone acknowledging that.
  4. 23 points
    I too struggled with answering this question. There are certainly elements of my life with which I am very satisfied, and law is a defining part of it. I'm very satisfied with my job, with what I do everyday, with the people I work with, with the people I work for, and the compensation I get for it. I am also satisfied with my general position in life. Growing up, I was repeatedly told that I was a failure, I would not amount to anything, and that people like me don't enter this profession. Everyday I can wake up and do what I do as a massive "fuck you" to the people who said I couldn't or shouldn't do it. That is pretty satisfying for me. But at the same time (and mindful of potentially stepping into the cesspool created by Mycousinsteve) I do feel guilty about my success. I am incredibly conscious of the fact that I earn now as a young lawyer what my father was earning, after a lot of struggle, at the peak of his career. My mother works a close-to-minimum-wage job and works way harder than I do, but I charge 20+ times more than she makes an hour. Something just seems off about that sort of discrepancy. I get it that I am smart (relatively speaking) and that has its market value; but I wouldn't say that it is all effort and no luck of the draw. I just happen to retain and understand more information than the average person, am able to direct that towards seemingly useful ideas, and am able to express those ideas in a coherent and polished way. All of that means that I get to live way better than my parents ever could. So when I take my parents to a nice restaurant, I am equal parts satisfied that I can take them to that place, but also guilty that more value has been placed in me than them because of some random combination of values.
  5. 21 points
    Each year at Dal, they gathered us in the atrium and offered everyone who wasn't interviewed by either Stikeman Elliott or an appellate court near the Laurentian river as a sacrifice to the ghost of JSD Tory. This helped ensure that school's recruiting numbers stayed high. I only escaped by hiding in the basement under a fort made of old McGill guides and feeding on scraps that fell from wine and cheese events above. Needless to say, 2L and 3L grades felt functionally meaningless, given that the only two options were (1) a life of work on Bay St. following your first year of law school or (2) literal death.
  6. 19 points
    Without wading into the underlying debate, I just wanted to specifically respond to this comment because I couldn't have said it better. Although I'm only a 2019 call, so I don't want to derail this, I just managed to secure a better than expected associate position in a niche area of law in a small practice group with colleagues who seem to just be all around great people. And from the ground running I will be making way more than my grandparents ever did, who both worked in a factory for 50+ years while raising me as a kid, and now experience real health problems from how hard they had to work in less than ideal conditions, with never having anything like a financial cushion (one of my grandparents was an orphan, the other the oldest of 12). When I get them simple gifts, like craft coffee beans or other things they like, I literally have to rip off the label and say it bought it on sale or they will not use it because it is "too good for them." I really wish life could be more fair, but it isn't, and so I'm just thankful for what I have and trying to be a more open-hearted person in the process.
  7. 15 points
    Echoing Diplock, and adding my own perspective: our parents did us no favours by saying we could be whatever we want to be. It just ain’t so. I also think that tagging along on that myth is the impossible expectation that The Right Career Solves Everything. That somewhere out there is your dream job (this parallels the everyone has one soul mate myth). The truth is there are a bunch of jobs that have the potential to be your dream job - but they take goddamn work. They take sacrifice. They take days or weeks or months of slogging away to learn the thing before you feel confident, successful, respected. And then some years before I think you can really classify that as a settled degree of happiness or satisfaction with life overall. Yes, committing to a specific path over time is a risk, but so is every other damn thing including marriage or kids. I think one of the things we all struggle(d) with in our 20s is that there is no immediate feedback loop of validation. There is no burst of applause -or chorus of boos - when you make your decisions each step of the way. There’s no soundtrack telling you if you’re about to enter the Success/Wealth/Friends Montage versus the For God’s Sake Don’t Go In there! Montage. So you go wary, and question, and dawdle, and backtrack, and panic, and feel paralyzed. I am satisfied right now. I am also in a space where the stresses of the job have led to serious consideration of a sabbatical. Because my job isn’t Everything, and never will be - and the best advice I have to the Me of twenty years ago is: make sure you have room for something else in your long life, because happiness comes and goes and hinging it on work alone is asking for a breakdown.
  8. 15 points
    This is a tricky one and you can choose to deal with it formally or leave it be. Only you know your own comfort level and wishes here, and I am not going to give you advice on which your choice should be... I will just outline what some of them are. If you are a student, you can go to some one in your school who deals with career services to explain what has happened to you. You can tell them if you would like to make a formal complaint to the law society, or you can tell them that you are just notifying the school so no future students are directed to this firm. If you are a law student you can contact the law society yourself or you can look up and speak to a bencher. There is also the link already provided which gives better and more specific info. If you find this has really affected your confidence or mood or outlook, you can seek out support through friends or family or school facilities. If you are applying through the NCA process then the law society is also a good resource to explore your options. And if you need to hear it, this asshole is a pig and a disgrace to the profession. He is not alone but he is not the majority either. He’s an utter shit for doing this to you and if it helps, to paraphrase Churchill, tomorrow you will wake up as the same fundamentally decent person you have always been and he will still be an utter shit. Chin up, whatever you do.
  9. 14 points
    Law school taught me that not all lawyers are smart people, and not to expect otherwise.
  10. 13 points
    I wish to contribute to this thread usefully, and I haven't done so yet. I've read this multiple times and wondered what useful observations I could possibly offer, and I keep coming back to the inherent complications of the question. I never expected to attend post-secondary education at all. The vague sense of its possibility was in my world-view, but not at all the assumption that exists in many families. Neither of my parents completed university, though they toyed with it. None of my grandparents attended at all. I have cousins who went to school, but that's a bit different. I didn't start moving towards this career at all until I was older, in large part simply because it seemed inaccessible to me. And yes, I'm gesturing to privilege here, but not to continue the debate. The truth is, merely by entering into a respected profession, with all it entails, I've wildly exceeded both my own anticipated path in life and the expectations of everyone around me. There's some more personal stuff in there, but I prefer to be vague. Let's just say that anyone looking at where I was in my late teens and early 20s would never, ever, have put money on me ending up where I am now. I work way too much, and that's impacting my satisfaction right now and my relationship with my family. It's not something that anyone is doing to me. It's inherent in the way my practice is set up. You'd think I could wrestle it to the ground, since it's my own damn practice, but it's easier said than done. Being your own boss means that your boss is always there, critical of how you spend every free hour. I have absolutely got to get this shit under control and I haven't yet. I'm immensely satisfied with my ability to create change in the world. My practice is starting to get specialized. I'll decline to say exactly what I do or how it creates change, but let's just say I see it in very immediate terms. And sometimes it's just about taking on causes and arguments that no one else cares about, on behalf of clients in unusual circumstances, but I have already had enough success that I consider my time very well invested in what I do and I have plans to do much, much more. That's both motivating and satisfying. I was thinking about this when this very thread went sideways - the questions of "satisfaction" and also "what the fuck are people (including me) doing in this discussion thread" got unavoidably intertwined. And the answer, really, comes down to this. People think it's a good reason to go to law school if they "like to argue" and we all know how stupid that is. But there is a truth that's close to that. I like to win arguments. And I only argue about things that matter to me. I don't do it for fun. I don't even find it fun. But I derive immense satisfaction from making things better, and most often to do that you need to win an argument somewhere, with someone. I really like that - not for the argument itself, but for the change that follows. I like the act of building something that's mine. This isn't about legal practice but about a similar, related concept I've discussed before - entrepreneurship. Being a lawyer is inherently entrepreneurial for almost everyone. For me, most than most. I believe my practice has spun in this direction in large part because it's a skill I have and an enthusiasm for me. If I were less entrepreneurial, I'd probably have sought work for someone else. Even when the work I do is relatively mundane and mechanical, the fact that I'm doing it in service of my own practice makes a big difference. I could go on at great length, but I'm reasonably sure I'm satisfied. I'm also very restless. I'm at an age where I'm acutely aware of just how short my career will really be, and how brief my window of peak effectiveness. I want to do things. To the degree that satisfaction implies feeling peaceful, I'm really not there and probably never will be. That's a question to ask again at the very end of my career. Anyway, hope that's something to work with.
  11. 13 points
    It's almost as if "benefiting from privilege" and "working hard" are not mutually exclusive concepts. Woah.
  12. 12 points
    I'm honestly not trying to be snarky here. But if you're really acting the way you describe here (poking holes in what your mom's friend thinks about Celine Dion, saying "tell it to your therapist, this is completely irrelevant to me"), then you are going to do a lot of damage to your personal and professional reputation. If I heard a 1L talking like that, I wouldn't think they're confident and analytical. I'd think they're an arrogant prick. I'd avoid them. And if given the choice to work with them, I'd be concerned that they lack the basic social skills to function in an office environment and navigate a client relationship.
  13. 12 points
    Law school prepared me for the reality of the legal community. That is, understanding that I'd have to start assuming that my peers in legal practice - lawyers and judges, mainly - are at least as smart as I am, and to stop expecting that I could pull random observations out of my ass on a moment's notice and still get good results in discussions, debates, and assigned work. U of T was great for this. Say what you want about the school, their terrible policies regarding tuition, etc. - they still attract the best and the brightest. I know some people here thing I'm arrogant. Hell, I AM arrogant in many ways. But I like to think I'm rationally arrogant. I know when I'm good at something and I like to take credit for it. But man, going to law school was an eye-opener. Because suddenly everybody was very, very good. And seriously - I needed badly to recalibrate. It took me a while. Some law students and lawyers never get there. They simply aren't smart enough to notice how smart everyone else is, like how Donald Trump just genuinely can't recognize expertise and knowledge in other people because he doesn't know what it is to operate on that level. Fortunately, I think I avoided that pitfall eventually. But not before I had some cringe-worthy moments.
  14. 12 points
    I've been a lawyer for 20 years. I'm a commercial/general civil litigator and I manage a small firm. I bill around 1450-1500 hours per year and recover about 1300-1350 of that at $550 to $600 an hour - all of which I get to put into my pocket (less, you know, taxes and "expenses"). I have two associates whose work pays all of my overhead (obvs. including their salaries). I also have 4 non-equity partners. Most importantly, every single person I work with is someone I like and respect. I have been very lucky. Before law school, I tried several other careers, none of which I could stand. If litigation had not worked out, I expect I'd be unemployable.
  15. 12 points
    Jaggers, the far-left management side labour lawyer! I literally fire workers for a living. I’m pretty far from left wing.
  16. 11 points
    I did it. Articled at a medium sized firm in Ottawa, came back to Toronto chasing after Toronto clients. I had a P1 license prior to my L1 and I had had a small paralegal practice so I felt relatively comfortable with practice management. I also felt more comfortable this city. While at it I heard that a retiring real estate lawyer was looking to hand his practice down to someone with zero experience, that he would train, in real estate transactional work. That lured me in. I started adding mortgage enforcement to his practice as he was only a solicitor and did that for a year while I learned real estate solicitor work. I brought in clients and pretty much paid for my own salary. I asked for a raise and was given some made up excuse as to why not. That was a bit upsetting. To top it all off the original understanding that he would hand his practice to me and retire changed when his almost 40 yr old son got into law school so they hinted the deal was off. I decided to then pack my crap and went out on my own again. Two key big lender clients to whom I was also serving with mortgage enforcement litigation contacted me for file updates and I advised that I had left the firm. They decided to keep all of their lit files with me and now have me doing their transactional work as well. When I started I did so from my one bedroom rental apartment. I work extremely long hours Monday to Sunday but almost a year later I am happy to report that I have been so lucky and done so well I now employ two girls, was able to pay off my entire school debt and purchased my own commercial unit in Toronto mortgage fee. All in less than a year. Coincidentally, the closing is actually today!!!
  17. 11 points
    Law school is actually very good at teaching you the current state of the law. Don’t ever discount the value of this knowledge and work hard to keep up on developments as you go along. When you appear in front of a judge and make an argument that - I don’t know - there is an objective standard in play when a person fails to take steps to ensure they don’t breach a court order, knowing that the BCCA just released R v Zora this year puts you ahead of about eighty percent of your colleagues who are too lazy or too busy to stay up to date. Another random example: Coming out of law school I promise you have a MUCH better handle on the nightmare of jurisprudence that is sexual assault law that almost anyone else in the courthouse. Now you probably have no idea how to create a foundation for your argument to bring that knowledge of the law in play. School doesn’t teach you to be a litigator. It just teaches you the law. But I make a point to chat with new Calls about caselaw from time to time because honestly, they often have a much better concept of the current framework on X area that I need to adopt, especially if the judge doesn’t have a criminal background. Being able to Coles Notes the Law in argument is a wonderful thing, and without a lot of effort you lose it fast - so enjoy being current while you can.
  18. 11 points
    Well, to begin with, you can probably cite the many things grades are used for over and above getting you a job. The fact that you have focused the entire educational endeavor down to a job interview is really kinda sad. The remainder of the answer is this. Not everyone in law is on a conveyor belt towards practicing in large corporate firms. In fact the majority (though perhaps not the large majority) end up doing other things, that do not correspond to the schedule of events that you've been spoon fed by your CDO. So at all of the many, eccletic times that other students and graduates will be looking for jobs, and other employers will be hiring, of course they are looking at grades. Which is why (I can't believe I'm even writing this) law schools continue to grade their students even after the Almighty OCI recruit is done after first year. You're free to want the career in law that you want, and I know very good people practicing in major firms. But only the extreme douchebags look out from their big towers on Bay Street and actually fail to realize that there are many, many fine lawyers whose lives and practice environments do not resemble their own. In other words, quite frankly, if you even have to ask this question, you're in danger of becoming one of those douchebags. Don't.
  19. 11 points
    Work. It’s not even close. They pay me. If you ignore money, then yeah I obviously I prefer doing whatever I want at any given moment.
  20. 9 points
    Agree. For years, I had to make sure that whenever we had my parents over, there weren't price tags left on any of the delicious stuff we would buy at St. Lawrence Market. Shannon Proudfoot had a good article in this vein yesterday: https://www.macleans.ca/society/what-does-it-mean-to-be-working-class-in-canada/ It makes perfect sense to Lehmann that these students basically ignore social class except to obliquely cite it as a source of individual strength. “It’s not particularly in their interest to be very classist about this, to be offended by middle-class advantages, because they’re at university to get that,” he says. As he writes in that paper, the very conditions they credit with giving them the advantages of grit and maturity—their financial struggles and hard labour—are “precisely what they wish to escape.” If your whole life project—and your parents’ deepest ambitions, too—relies on scaling several rungs on the ladder, you pretty much have to buy into the idea that the view is better there than where you started, and deservedly so.
  21. 9 points
    Just thought I would compile a list for us: ITC Alan Gold Waddell Philips Glaholt DOJ Counter Tax Rachlin Wolfson Kim Spencer McPhee Office of the Children's Lawyer Hicks Morley Cavalluzzo Stevenson Whelton Davidson and Trianta Longo Goodmans Bereskin OSSTF/FEESCO Lerners Smockum Zarnett Clyde & Co Crown Law Office Crim ONA Willms & Shier PFO Alan Gold Goodmans Countertax Greenspan Bereskin Trianta Longo Iler Campbell Ecojustice
  22. 9 points
    Leaving aside any other methodological issues with this survey, in a discussion about the debt that law students graduate with, an industry-wide picture of how much all lawyers are earning isn't relevant. No matter what area of practice someone is in, their income will almost inevitably rise over time. So comparing 30-year calls among first year lawyers is just silly. Not to say the survey was silly in context, since it was trying to find reasonable compensation for judges. But it isn't of serious use in this discussion. This is one of these times I don't need a survey, even if there was a good one, and I'd reject hard data even if it were available. Statistical evidence won't tell you the reality out there. And I'm simply telling you there are many lawyers, well into journeyman practice, who are still trying to scrape into the $80K+ income range that too many of you are blithely assuming is an articling student's entry wage. There are also a lot of lawyers doing very well financially - I don't need a survey to tell me that, either. It's the assumption that everyone's income looks like that, and that we can safely saddle all graduating students with six-figure debt, that freaks me the hell out. It just isn't true. I'll go one farther, and throw in some macro-level financial analysis for anyone who wants to think about it deeply for a moment. If we assume a marketplace than can and will pay the cost of whatever lawyers happen to cost, and if we jack up the price of the raw materials involved (in this case, the education of lawyers) then the marketplace will eventually just have to pay more. And that's a fine theory for private clients with a lot of money. But what drives me crazy is that you know, you all fucking KNOW, that legal services aren't only used by large corporations and privately wealthy individuals. Even those who aspire to working for large corporations should at least be able to observe reality and appreciate that ordinary people also use lawyers, and poor people need lawyers too, sometimes, whether they want to need them or not. How could anyone imagine that these clients could absorb the passed-on costs of lawyers graduating with massive debt to pay off? How could anyone other than an ignorant ass imagine that the lawyers serving these clients are also rolling in money? Where the fuck do you imagine the money is coming from? The government just announced massive cuts to Legal Aid funding. This is how lawyers get paid when they work for people who need legal help but can't possibly pay for it themselves. The government theoretically has lots of money - they raise taxes as they need to and allocate within their priorities. They could pay lawyers more. But instead, they are cutting to the bone. This is just one example, of course, and I could write for pages and pages. But do you think that just because law schools choose to charge more tuition, that the government automatically pays more to the lawyers who agree to represent the truly impoverished? Even I think that's insane. Law schools can't charge whatever the hell they want and then hope to pass on the debt-servicing of their graduates to the taxpayers. And you'd be amazed how many lawyers in the marketplace are ultimately being paid out of the public purse in some form or other. Anyway, I'm done. But the bottom line takeaway is this. Pull your heads out of your asses and look at the whole legal marketplace.
  23. 9 points
    Please get back on topic. On thread, I am generally satisfied but don't like the hours in private practice. I work at a great firm that has given me good mentor-ship and interesting/important work. I am planning on going to government to do policy in November which I am excited for.
  24. 9 points
    Today I'm satisfied because I can inject this thread right into my veins.
  25. 8 points
    I don’t know why people get so offended when law students treat law school as a means to an end (not you in particular but this type of reaction is evoked quite often) Many people, including myself, went to law school to get a job; even a specific type of job. Of course I wanted to learn the law. But the most important objective for me, and possibly OP, was landing a job. At $20k+ per year I don’t think there is anything wrong with focusing on the job aspect of it
  26. 8 points
    Your entire last paragraph is so wrong. The fundamental theory of Canadian constitutional law is diametrically opposed to the entire conservative judicial project's animating theory, which has dominated discourse in the U.S. for years, so that alone is reason enough to ignore it. But the existence of Section 1 of the Charter and nothing comparable in the U.S. is again such a fundamental difference as to again be so very wrong. Also there are a number of states that will only admit lawyers that have a degree from an ABA-approved school. It is not so easy to work in the states with a Canadian law degree, outside certain states like New York or California (which has an extra hurdle to New York but not that bad). EDIT: Found the old article I was looking for. Not only do Canadians not really look to the U.S. for constitutional matters, Canadian constitutional law is among the most influential in the world, if not the most: http://www.slaw.ca/2012/04/15/canada-is-the-worlds-constitutional-superpower/
  27. 8 points
    Accepted aprox. 45mins ago & it's my FIRST ONTARIO ACCEPTANCE!!! My application status changed from "under evaluation" to "admitted" for those wondering. I was NOT waitlisted. cGPA 3.28, L2: 3.4ish, LSAT: 163 Access category There's definitely hope for those with low cGPA's!
  28. 8 points
    This is just my perspective, but there are dissatisfactions that more money can solve and dissatisfactions that money just can't solve. If you find your work boring but get paid so much that you're willing to be a bit bored, I can see that. But money can't solve a vague sense that you are somehow selling yourself short and aren't doing the really big work that successful lawyers get paid more than you to do. If the only thing that's bothering you is that someone else is making more money, and you're left feeling either like a sucker or else that you're small-time, then you either need to get comfortable with that reaction and get over it, or else you need to just adapt your life to chasing the brass ring all the time - no matter what the brass ring happens to be - and accept that's the life you'll live. I can tell you, between those two options, I made peace with living my values rather than try to live everyone else's values. And I would warn anyone who gets too hung up on what everyone else is doing and what everyone else has and what everyone else views as "success" that it never, ever, ever stops. You think making 30-40k more as an associate in "big law" is going to make you happier. Then you surround yourself in that environment and you're either on partner track or you're not. Everyone who's really doing it "right" is aiming to make partner, and what are you doing? Just wasting your time billing 1,600 hours a year and hanging on as an associate. Sure you're making more than those losers who aren't in "big law." But that doesn't make you feel better about your life. You still want what the other people around you are gunning for. And if you manage to get that, you want the next thing, and the next time. When you surrender your values to the common idea of what you should want out of life, you never manage to get them back, because there's always something else. If money would make a difference in your lifestyle such that you believe it would change your enjoyment in life, then that's a real thing. That's based in a individual decision about what you want and what you need. But if it's only what someone else has, vs. what you have, you've got to avoid going down that road. Trust me - it doesn't end well.
  29. 8 points
    Students frequently have an inflated sense of their value to an employer. This thread is no exception.
  30. 8 points
    Waitlisted as well. 3.25, 3.75, 164 LSAT, MA, Access. I was waitlisted last year near the bottom (but with a 153 LSAT). I am hoping I get a better number this time. I've lost a lot of sleep thinking about next year, and I have waited a long time to find some certainty. uOttawa has always, for a number of reasons, but for the utmost of personal reasons, been my number one choice. I'm hoping I can come though this time, Lord willing.
  31. 8 points
    I think your privilege is showing by thinking "working your ass off" results in the same outcome for all people. For my parents, working their ass off meant literally working hard labour for dollars a day while trying to feed their child and persistently applying for refugee status for years until they got accepted. And then when you get where you're going, you work basic jobs (where customers treat you like literal garbage, call you a terrorist, etc) because you spent your young years working and trying to keep your children fed and get them to a better country, and not necessarily expanding your skills. Then your kid goes to college and works their ass off, you can't afford to help them, and they take on loans. As a result, that $100,000 saved from loans probably ensures an earlier retirement or higher quality lifestyle for one party. So tell me, if two sets of parents both work their asses off to get to the same place, but one had a huge head start and consequently their children didn't need to take on huge loans and has an easier after-law-school life, what does that arise from if not an inherent privilege or advantage for one party? I should specify, I'm not sure where I stand on white privilege, however I believe someone has to be delusional to say that any sort of majority privilege doesn't exist.
  32. 8 points
    LOL OK so after calling the admissions dept. again they said the waitlist WILL be numbered by the end of the week. I made sure to ask the question in a number of different ways, and got the same answer. They seem to be pretty adamant about releasing the rankings/numbers by the end of the week. No more inquiring from me until the end of the week.
  33. 7 points
    Does anyone know around when firms start calling, especially regarding calls without no prior ITC? I didn't get any ITCs but only a handful of PFOs and I applied broadly, so I'm hopeful. Just trying to get an idea of around what times I can expect a call. Is there a general time around which calls stop going out? For those in the same boat, stay positive! For those with ITCs, congrats! Good luck to everyone tomorrow.
  34. 7 points
    If you're planning to practice law in Canada, this is a no-brainer. Go to TRU.
  35. 7 points
    Additional pro for TRU: * actually learning the law of the country where you intend to be a lawyer (right?) Additional cons for Bond: * need to plan for about a year to get through the NCA process, mitigating the "two year advantage" * employers will (understandably) suspect that you couldn't get into a Canadian law school
  36. 7 points
    Most law school books are obsolete a few years after publish. Unless you have the seminal treatise on a general subject, like contract law for example (and even those typically get updates every few years), you'll be missing key recent cases and statutory amendments, etc. Texts have their max resale value the semester after use...every year after that they approach zero dollars. Not only is it not weird, it is the most rational time to sell your books. If you work for a firm, government, or other organization, you'll probably get updated versions of the texts you need. Westlaw/Lexis have lots of great texts and resources if you have access. CanLii offers good free resources from time to time. If you don't work for a firm, government, or other organization, and live in a large city, you can hit a law library as needed. Most courthouses have a dece library. Sell those suckers I say.
  37. 7 points
    Accepted this morning! Was never waitlisted. After multiple times applying this is my first acceptance!! CGPA 3.5, L2 3.8, LSAT 155
  38. 7 points
    I requested a deferral of my entry into the Common Law Section by one year (2020) to complete my current graduate degrees, and the law school has endorsed my request today. So, I will attend Ottawa Law next year; I believe that my deferral may open a spot for another excellent applicant and I wish you guys best of luck!!
  39. 7 points
    admitted today in the afternoon! 3.7 150 LSAT crying tears of joy right now
  40. 7 points
    Yeah. And then they'll mail them out to all students in a plain brown wrapper. And include a box of kleenex and hand lotion.
  41. 7 points
    This is all so confusing. What does that mean for people on the waitlist then? I don't understand the point of keeping people "Under Evaluation", unless they might be added to the waitlist? Unless what they are saying is that they just haven't had the time to update the status of everyone's file... But it seems like that could be done in a few hours? I really feel for those of you who haven't heard any updates yet. The waitlist is hard enough, so I can't imagine how frustrating it is to have heard NOTHING. Thinking of all of you!
  42. 7 points
    Skinner said the teachers will crack any minute, purple monkey dishwasher.
  43. 7 points
    Literally nobody in this thread has shamed or guilt-tripped or even apologized for anyone's successes. If merely saying that some people have it better than others gives you a clear indication of "far-left political correctness," then perhaps those insults aren't necessarily so unfounded.
  44. 7 points
    Generally, I feel satisfied. The first couple years of practice have certainly been tumultuous. I've learned a lot and I think that I'm building a strong reputation and greater confidence in my abilities. I live a comfortable lifestyle in a very trendy part of town and I can afford to do fun things on a regular basis. The stress and some of the hours that I pull are negatives, but I feel as though I'm doing important work that matters. Furthermore, it is challenging work by just about anyone's standards and I regularly feel proud of rising to the occasion and managing a successful practice. There have certainly been a fair share of dumb mistakes and cringey moments, but I've tried to take it all in stride. Conan O'Brien once said about comedy that, when it's going well, he'd do it for free. When it's going poorly, he continued, he'd rather do anything else in the world. I catch myself thinking the same thing about litigation, but (and this is perhaps for the best), most of the day-to-day stuff falls somewhere comfortably in the middle of those two poles.
  45. 7 points
    As a new call, I found the original purpose of this thread very insightful. I hope it isn't closed and people continue to post responses about their legal careers and whether or not they are satisfied and why.
  46. 7 points
    Worst: law school itself. It's far too expensive, and it's tedious. It's full of privileged louts and SJWs. Best: being a lawyer at the end of it all. It was definitely worth it.
  47. 7 points
    I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but rather this is just me expressing my general frustration at students saying "but I got in by saying that in my personal statement" or "but I didn't use an academic reference" or whatever other thing. You have no idea that helped you at all in the admissions process. In fact, you might have been admitted in spite of them not thinking your personal statement was great or thinking those were lame ECs. There is no way to know. I am only sharing my view of those sorts of ECs along with those of my fellow admissions committee members at one school, but I really don't think that anecdotal examples do anything to refute those more broad discussions of such ECs. Also, I don't think whether you are passionate about something should be the test of whether to include it in your personal statement.
  48. 7 points
    First half solicitors: "wow, why bother with the substantive materials if its going to be 100 PR questions and 20 questions on the materials"? Second half: "why even bother having materials if the answers aren't in there? Oh by the way, thanks for throwing those 5 PR questions in amongst some of the most high level estates law shit". Also. They spend like 40 pages on bankruptcy and insolvency and commercial law then ask 2 questions about them. But sure, ask 10 questions on tax structuring.
  49. 6 points
    I feel a lot of people in this thread are projecting their insecurities to answer a relatively simple, and mundane question... The answer is that if you want to switch jobs later on in your career (e.g., say 2-5 years post-call), a lot of employers still look at your grades, and will request transcripts. A general policy is having good grades doesn't hurt you, having bad grades may hurt you. So try to give your best at all stages of law schools
  50. 6 points
    Sweet potato fries, vegetables that aren't boring, cookies, cakes, homemade bread (better than anything you can get at a bakery), banana bread, keeping your pancakes and waffles warm while you finish cooking the rest, properly making a steak in a cast iron pan if you aren't bbq'ing it, making a good chicken, garlic bread, all the frozen food items which I never buy anymore, lasagna, french toast casserole, baked mac and cheese, pie, pizza (homemade or otherwise). If you don't have an oven I hope you earn enough that not having an oven is a silly decision, or you're prepared to live a miserable, empty life of eating ash and dust.
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