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  1. 22 points
    Hi all - this forum has been so helpful (and anxiety-inducing, at times!) that I wanted to share my personal adventure on the road to law school acceptances - for those needing a bit of love and support at this time in the application cycle. When I first considered applying to law, I wrote the LSAT on a whim and scored in the 140's; a few months later, I tried again, with a one-point increase in score. I had applied to UVic that year (also on a whim, so stupid), and was rejected (duh). My self-confidence was bruised, and I figured law wasn't for me, so I put the idea of law school to bed. After a good deal of wallowing, some painful self-discovery, and way too many episodes of Gilmore Girls, I decided to pull my socks up and try, try again. I was in graduate school at the time and self-studied while completing my thesis (so stupid - see a theme here?). I wrote the exam and scored in the 150's. Forever the idealist, I re-wrote a few months later, still in time for that application cycle at UVic, and scored the exact same as before. This was a fantastic wake-up call, fueled by two years of rejection. The LSAT is a beast, I was not "smart enough" to take it on without support - that's something I needed to accept. I dished out a painful $1,000, took time off work, and gave myself one month of full-time studying to try, try again. I told the instructors of the course that my goal was a 160, because I truly thought that's all I would be able to achieve. Progress was slow, but as the month came to a close, I saw improvement, scoring on practice tests between 160-162. I wrote the exam for a fifth time, and scored a 163. This year, I applied to five schools: TRU, U of M, U of A, U of S, and UVic. I've been accepted to all/waitlisted at UVic. My approach to the LSAT was sloppy, I recognize that. I was nauseatingly idealistic about my ability to self-study and receive an offer with some cheesy 80's music playing the background with smiles all around. For the majority of us, getting into law school is tough, admissions committees are ruthless - but that stubborn determination paid off, even if it took a few years! So, for those of you tackling the LSAT right now, or waiting anxiously to hear from the schools you applied to, know that if it doesn't happen this year, or on this exam, you have options, and you have time. One way or another, you'll make it happen. Be ambitious, stay strong, keep hoping, and be the badass future law student that you are. Cheers! 🍻
  2. 21 points
    As a follow-up, I accepted a paid position from a promising personal injury firm just now. Thank you all for your sound advice.
  3. 20 points
    For those of us who are already forced, ethically, to do pro bono work for vulnerable clients, I'll lower any remaining boundaries and say this is a fucking disgrace. A fucking disgrace we all could see coming--but, nonetheless, a fucking disgrace. The reactionary bullshit of "Well, don't commit a crime then," is just too much to handle after a long and difficult week. I don't want to believe things are that bad. Though I know they are. My LAO clients (and the ones who can't even get LAO) are the most vulnerable and marginalized persons likely to die in the ditch they're calling home. To suggest that they set their own trials and advocate their own Charter defences and/or factual defences is a sick joke. I'm tired of this. I can see how my clients live before they die at 35. Hey, no problem paying a Crown $200,000 to prosecute some homeless and mentally ill person. But I guess our government draws the line at paying a lawyer (maybe even now a duty counsel lawyer) a pittance to defend that client. We'll see how these cuts shake out--what services are cut, what jobs are slashed. From what I've seen working in courthouses 5 days/week, there's no "fat." Maybe it'll be the entire non-CCC (i.e. refugee/immigration/landlord-tenant) wing. Who knows. I see duty counsel run off their feet in every jurisdiction. I guess we'll see. It's goddamn sad.
  4. 19 points
    Op, tbh, only do it if your gf is OVER 2 points above you on the scale, and has discussed marriage with you. That’s, in my option, the only way to rationalize it.
  5. 18 points
    I did not know I needed to explicitly state reasons to post on this forum - I ask because I am a young associate myself and I want to hear more from women who’ve been doing it longer. i want to hear their genuine experience without being sugarcoated for workplace formalities. As a woman on Bay St myself I find myself wondering what makes YOU assume we’re not? 3-5 years were in brackets as an example. Personally, that is my experience. I am asking how to balance killing it at work, as I try, and having quality time with my husband. I want to hear Senior Associates + Partners’ with children experience Reality is, on Bay, there are women, like me (thats what makes me assume), who want to make Partner and want to start a family and who may also be of colour and are more likely prone to code switch often. Side note though (I’ve been reading your comments on the forum for a while) I dont believe you’re on Bay St + I am certainly not interested in your male partner’s experience, so I don’t understand why you’re commenting in a manner clearly intending to undermine the purpose of my post.
  6. 17 points
  7. 15 points
    For anyone who's reading this, who may have received bad grades just as I did.... Just know that I received two job offers (not through OCI's) for summer work. One with a mid-size firm, one with a boutique firm. Grades do not define your success, if you learn to network, interview well and sell yourself properly.
  8. 14 points
    Accepted this morning! First law school acceptance after getting rejected everywhere last year. 3.8 GPA with drops, 164 LSAT, MA degree. Feels good to finally share an acceptance!!
  9. 14 points
    My advice to you (and what would have made 1L much more enjoyable) is to drown out all the noise. Most law students are lovely but some are absolutely insufferable. They’ll humble brag about how their undergrad in Xyz studies has prepped them so well and half the classes are like review, or they’ll go on and on about that family member that’s a lawyer, the list goes on and on. Coming from an educational background that’s vastly different or never having been exposed to the law, this can be intimidating. But I promise you no one has an edge and no 1L knows what the hell theyre doing. Everyone is just as confused and unprepared as you are
  10. 13 points
    Wow, if a Crown did that in a trial I was on, I would protest to the judge. It’s not the Crown’s role to ask people to leave open court who aren’t causing any trouble. And a person testifying at trial is not necessarily a “victim.” If onlookers are discreet and respectful, I don’t see a problem - all witnesses should be prepared for that possibility. The judge controls courtroom decorum/procedure, and there are tools to assist witnesses such as screens, support persons etc, so I don’t mean to be insensitive - if it becomes apparent to a judge that a witness is struggling with the courtroom environment, this should be addressed, and there are options that fall short of the drastic action of kicking the public out of court. I think a law student who is serious about wanting a career in criminal law SHOULD watch the graphic and explicit stuff - how else can they know if this is an area they really want to practice? I agree junior high kids probably aren’t ready for sex assault trials, but law students should be.
  11. 13 points
  12. 12 points
    I also say this with respect, and as someone who struggled with anxiety and other mental health issues in the past, you may just want to reapply in a few years, and in the meantime work, grow, and focus on your mental health. If the idea of a temporary move for school is so overwhelming, maybe this isn't the best time to pursue law school. Again, I mean this with nothing but respect and genuine compassion. Taking a few years isn't a failure, it might be the biggest blessing and the best path to success for you.
  13. 12 points
    Accepted today! Seriously cannot believe it because of my low LSAT. CGPA: 3.5 (OLSAS) LSAT: 153 (Nov 2018), 154 (Jan 2019) My L2 is complicated because of additional courses and internships. Heavily involved in school and community work in all my undergrad years, worked 30-40 hours a week while in undergrad, currently full time in school and working in the community. Optional essay. In queue since January 9th.
  14. 12 points
    Out of respect for those waiting, I will promptly decline the offer, so one more spot should open up shortly. Let’s all try to keep the process moving by notifying schools that we know we won’t be attending. Good luck all!
  15. 12 points
    Just wanted to update everyone. I got the offer and turned it down. I feel bad because I like the firm and its people a lot. But ultimately it's the right decision. I wanted to say thanks for all your input, it helped steer me in the right direction.
  16. 12 points
    To me, the key part of this subject title is the anxiety over giving up something "for good." That's something you (and all law students) need to make peace with. When you are young and talented and privileged you go all your early life getting told you can do anything. You internalize that message. And to a degree there's truth to it. But the other side of that truth is that you won't do everything. You can't. Obviously. Don't try to keep all your options open. It's an idiotic and self-defeating way to live. Every choice you make, every path you commit to, implicitly rejects other choices and other paths. If you fear closing off options, you'll continually hedge against committing to the things you actually want. And that's no way to live.
  17. 11 points
    I foresee many such post-facto justifications
  18. 10 points
    Admitted this morning. Cgpa 3.63 L2 3.85 Lsat 150 (november), january (cancelled) March (score pending) Average ECs, Strong PS, Great References Not sure if the committee forgot to wear their glasses today (given the lsat score), but hey I ain’t complaining, bless their souls. Will likely be accepting! Good luck everyone else waiting!
  19. 10 points
    I'm a practicing lawyer in rural Newfoundland. Can confirm there is no shortage of lawyers out there, the market is well served, if not better served, by not having its own law school. Many Newfoundlanders, mainly those from St. John's who grow up there, go to MUN, and then go to law school, have never left home before going to law school. Their law school experience is really their first step out into the world and I shudder at the thought of the day when we are graduating law students who have no idea how to function on their own as people. I'm practicing in a town of about 10,000 people and half of our local bar is under age 40, which I think demonstrates that it's not hard to attract people to work here. Basically, kids grow up here, move away for education and go to law school so that they have the freedom to come home and make a decent living. Newfoundland has a very robust legal aid commission, whereby pretty much anybody can come in off the street and get free summary legal advice from a lawyer. I'm not how much use a legal clinic would be for the people of St. John's. As it stands right now, between the graduates coming back to NL from UNB and Dalhousie, the job market is already stretched and there are grads who struggle to find work. I know people that have been firm jumping since they graduated, just trying to maintain steady employment. I don't know where we're going to put 100 grads per year from MUN, but I imagine there'll be a lot of them wandering around downtown St. John's and Halifax trying to find a paycheque. There are only 500,000 people in this entire province. We're arguably saturated now.
  20. 10 points
    Just so this thread doesn’t get derailed, for OP’s sake - we’ve had a private discussion and I think we are all good. I did not mean to come across as unhelpful, I am sorry for that, and I hope OP can get some meaningful answers from those able to give them, and not just bickering about who said what to whom. I think these are important questions that deserve serious responses and did not mean to suggest otherwise. Sorry again. 😊
  21. 10 points
    accepted this morning. after getting rejected from ottawa yesterday i had really lost hope. 3.7 L2 and 159 LSAT. most likely accepting. Has anyone gotten the offer letter yet???
  22. 10 points
    Could we consider replacing the existing "10 reasons (not) to go to my school" threads with new ones in each school's page? These threads have potential to be so useful but when browsing through them, I sometimes have to skim/read through pages of content before getting to content relevant to one of the schools I'm considering. Someone who doesn't want to go to school X probably doesn't care to read about it (and if they do, they could go browse the thread in that school's page.) Also, sometimes people quote someone else and a reference to which school they're talking about is lost so their comments become useless unless I try to find the original post they quoted from. By keeping these threads in each school's page, it'll be obvious that whatever some is saying is about the school I'm looking at.
  23. 10 points
    Accepted this morning via email! Still can’t believe it. CGPA: 3.53 L2: 3.75 LSAT:156 last name starts with G and I’ve been in queue since February 27th. Good luck to everyone still waiting! My offer hasn’t been uploaded on OLSAS but when it is I will be accepting for sure. Excited to meet you all next year!
  24. 10 points
    The fact that Canadian universities are allowed to promote garbage programs like this at the expense of unsuspecting high school students who believe that holding a law degree makes you a lawyer is just deplorable.
  25. 9 points
    Accepted! Second law school acceptance! First in Ontario! 3.25, 3.73. 164, MA.
  26. 9 points
    No, it isn't. But if you live in Ontario and care about the rights of accused, of parents and children involved with CAS, and of persons facing removal / deportation, please contact your MPP and tell them that you oppose cuts to LAO's certificate programs. If you live in Ontario and think homelessness is bad, that renovictions are bad, that victims of violent crime should get compensation, and that those with mental disabilities might need help at SBT hearings, please contact your MPP and tell them that you oppose deep cuts to your local Community Legal Clinic. If you think that the justice system works better when litigants are informed and represented, please call your MPP and tell them that you oppose the cuts to LAO. These cuts aren't going anywhere. But most of the people coming to this site are advocates or advocates in training. So advocate. Don't duck and wait for electoral salvation. There are a lot of cases on the docket between now and 2022.
  27. 9 points
    Very true. As well, those in the law and order crowd clamouring for people to be prosecuted and to face the consequences of their actions need to remember that that can't happen if accused need representation and it isn't available. If a judge deems that an individual's charges are serious enough and they are unsophisticated enough (a Rowbotham application), if Legal Aid has refused to provide them with counsel, and the judge finds that the person cannot afford counsel, the trial cannot proceed until the state pays for counsel for them. As well, if there are inordinate delays in people getting counsel, the judge can stay charges for unreasonable delay. So if the government keeps cutting Legal Aid, we will likely see people walk on serious offences because they didn't get timely access to competent counsel.
  28. 9 points
    Just got the green check mark! CGPA: 3.32 L2: 3.5 LSAT: 149,160,161 Access
  29. 9 points
    Not all persons who have experienced sexual assault feel like we are victims or want to be called that, actually. It’s not the Crown’s job to ask anyone to move, and certainly not solely because of the nature of the trial. I am confident that many judges have a backbone and would agree with that. I don’t want anyone reading this to feel discouraged from watching ANY trial they want if it will help them learn something.
  30. 9 points
    Honestly I just wanted to be sure you weren’t writing an article for publication and posters wouldn’t find themselves being quoted elsewhere. We get a lot of people posting for a lot of different reasons. No offence was intended. I think Komodo had a good thread going a while back on a similar topic. I will try to find it.
  31. 9 points
    What makes you assume women are on Bay St. or would want to change it? What makes you assume that women would have an opinion? 🙄🙄 Those are fair questions and those who are within that mindset should be free to answer. Not sure why OP is getting attacked here.
  32. 9 points
    Wtf? Did you say you were a Nazi sympathizer or something in your application?
  33. 9 points
    Accepted this morning! CGPA: 3.41; L2: 3.7 LSAT: 154 (Jan 2019), 152 (Sept 2018) Strong ECS (Community artist/leader, research analyst, real estate legal assistant) Strong References from professors I've worked with Worked full time between multiple jobs while in undergrad; Filled out part B due to a concussion which resulted in chronic seizures halfway through undergrad. General applicant. Went straight from "no decision yet" to "admitted" - did not go into queue Osgoode is truly holistic, there is hope for those with lower stats but strong credentials!!
  34. 8 points
    The only thing I'd add to what Providence is saying, above, is this. You may have developed a habit, to this point in your life, of imagining that any time you don't get something you've really tried to get that it somehow comes down to you. And that is, quite frankly, a habit based in extreme arrogance that you're simply going to have to break. Although it's true that you're probably a weaker applicant in law school terms (see Providence's points, above) I'm sure you've generally found throughout your academic career so far that you are usually one of the smartest, most accomplished people in the room. Which would mean, quite genuinely, that opportunities are yours to lose. That just isn't true anymore. When you are interviewing for 1L jobs (which are extremely competitive, for reasons noted already) it's absolutely the case that the hiring committees probably end up with a list of 12 people they wouldn't mind hiring for two available jobs. So it isn't a question of what you've done "wrong" at all. It's just that someone else was better. There's nothing at all wrong with adopting strategies to improve on whatever you perceive your weaknesses to be. You should do that. But you should also do it in the right headspace. Because the further you progress in what is, undeniably, a very competitive profession, the more true it becomes. You can't simply expect that you're the smartest person in the room anymore. You can't assume that your natural talents put you in control of every outcome. Keep doing your best and good things will eventually follow. But not all the time, and not always within your control at all. Anyway, good luck.
  35. 8 points
  36. 8 points
    Also got accepted this morning. OLSAS GPA 2.5, 153 LSAT, close to 20 years of work experience (FT/PT), MSc with 3.8 GPA, publications, research, professional seminars, entrepreneurship, excellent references and PS. Filled out all the extra stuff on various categories. Good luck to everyone waiting
  37. 8 points
    Competitiveness as a best and worst, eh. Best when you win. Worst when you lose.
  38. 8 points
    I worked for a few years before law school, and it was so much fun to focus on learning instead of working. It might be the best three years of my life.
  39. 8 points
    The people saying it are often the same idiots who a year from now will drink and drive or shove their girlfriend around when they get in an argument or have sex with a drunk woman they just met without bothering to ascertain consent and end up crying in my office - I make a lot of money off those people.
  40. 8 points
    Explore Canada! Go hiking in the interior. Go to the Rockies. Spend some time disconnected. Make it a point to see family and friends that you might not have too much time to see while articling. Plan some ways for self-care during articling, meal prep planning and the like. Or, you know, day drink.
  41. 8 points
    Accepted today. cGPA 3.13 L2 3.65 LSAT 159 (highest)
  42. 8 points
    I feel like if your only reason for picking Ryerson over Osgoode is proximity to downtown, that’s an idiotic decision. If you have other reasons, then fine. But as the only reason? Please.
  43. 8 points
    I made this exact transition. Good news and bad news: Good news: you may have misread the transfer procedure. My experience is that you only need to write the BC exam if you are transferring to BC from a non-reciprocating jurisdiction. Ontario is a reciprocating jurisdiction. Check here: https://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/becoming-a-lawyer-in-bc/transfers/transfer-to-bc-from-another-canadian-jurisdiction/ Bad news: you're going to have to pay something like $2,500 in administrative fees to LSBC to transfer over. Good news: other than the fee its relatively painless Bad news: unless you surrender your Ontario license, if practicing law in BC you will still need to pay 50% of your LSO fees (if you can't find a job and have no income, don't worry, LSO will find it in their heart to only charge you 25% for the right to not practice using your Ontario license) Good news: when Ontario friends complain about sub -20 temperatures you can respond that you feel their pain and had to suffer the indignity of putting on a light sweater that morning. Bad news: trying to surrender your Ontario license may take months (or over a year), during which said fees still accrue. Good/Bad news: you get to / have to sit through another call to the Bar ceremony. Shoot me a PM if you have any questions about my experiences in transferring over.
  44. 8 points
    Just declined my offer, so there's a space opened up for someone else!
  45. 8 points
    I went the K-JD route. I was extremely immature when I entered law school at 22. I had never worked a job earning more than minimum wage, I was a virgin, I had never been in a serious relationship, the only car I had ever driven was my mother's, I had always lived with my mother, and I had never even been on a vacation without my mother. I had a lot of room for growth, but I don't believe my growth as a person would have gone any better by spending a year doing something else. I had nothing I was passionate about that would have been worthwhile. -2014 call at a major firm with 2 kids
  46. 8 points
    Conditional acceptance this morning, Aboriginal applicant!! (upon completing NLCSP) B2: 82% Jan ‘19 LSAT: 148 (I was defeated & disappointed to say the least) Born & raised in Northern SK, currently completing third year of undergrad at U of S Tailored PS to my connection with my Indigenous community, threw in Cree greetings, tons of volunteer & extra curriculars mentioned Strong recommendation letters from first nations band post-secondary coordinator and from a strong community mentor Will be attenting the summer program & hopefully then the College in September!!
  47. 8 points
    Agree 100%, especially with 2 and 3. Also want to add in though: Prepare yourself for the curve. Everyone comes into law school with great undergrad/grad marks - thats how you get in. But, Law School is curved, usually to a B-, B or B+, so we joke that in Law, "B is the new A." It is a tough adjustment when you're used to being a 3.7+ student to suddenly be a 3.0 student, but just remember that as long as you're keeping up in law, you're doing well. Be prepared for a lot of rejection. I know it sounds harsh, but there will be a lot of 1L and 2L summer, articling, RA, etc. positions that you'll apply for and likely not get, for no reason (especially 1L is very arbitrary). Just don't take it personally, and remember that its not that they didn't pick you, they just picked someone else, and there's a difference. Career services is great, and they're here to help you whenever you need, so take advantage, and everything will work out for you eventually. Become engaged, but don't overcommit. It is great to join clubs and volunteer and all, especially during the first week, but remember - you're here to study law. That should always come first, so give thought to your extracurriculars/jobs/volunteering commitments and make sure you're comfortable with what you're signing up for. Make friends with classmates. As you can tell from my previous suggestions, Law School is an emotional roller coaster. Having a good group of friends to remind you that you're not "the only one" in a situation is a godsend, and you'll find the U of A Law has a great sense of community - people are super friendly and helpful all around, so take avdantage. I think it would be a really tough experience if you felt like you were in it alone. Just my $.02.
  48. 8 points
    Or, to add to that, that comment seems premised on the belief that one ought to find one's 'meaning' in one's vocation. I think this is an assumption that also too often goes unquestioned. The notion that a job itself must be 'fulfilling' in and of itself -- or, that it is an unqualified good thing if one's career is the source of meaning in one's life -- is often quite toxic, in my opinion. Happiness can spring anywhere. I don't doubt for a second that there are some people for whom there are some practices which grant this kind of big-picture fulfillment. In fact, I know the search for this fulfillment is why a lot of people go into law. But I don't think we need to second-guess anyone wanting to do corporate law, or law more generally, for instrumental reasons. It can allow you to (e.g.) take care of their loved-ones or invest (in the broad sense) in other valuable activities. It might even be (gasp) satisfying work, even if morally neutral. That said, I agree that these are the kinds of questions you should ask yourself when taking jobs. And I'm glad that Pzabby chose the right option for him.
  49. 7 points
    I imagine if you are a layperson in court and a Crown attorney stops court, turns to you and asks you to leave, you are likely not going to feel like you have much of a choice in the matter and may even feel like you are doing something wrong being there. It certainly isn’t going to convey to you that you have the right to be there, which you do. Yes, both defence and Crown are to minimize the discomfort of witnesses to the extent possible - but “possible” does not mean asking the public to leave UNLESS the judge deems it necessary under s.486 of the Code (I think this is the section?) This is not a lawyer’s call to make. I’m shocked any judge would allow their authority to be usurped in such a way. The accused is not being treated fairly when they are denied an open courtroom without the benefit of argument on that point - when their accuser is free to say whatever they want without the light of day being shone on it - when the accused has to testify without the room being cleared for them.
  50. 7 points
    I did. It was fun compared to having a real job before law school. There's a learning curve, but it can be fascinating and fun. Academically it's really not that bad. The job stuff can be stressful if you don't prepare for it or allot any mental energy towards it. You'll soon find that law students (especially 1Ls and then articling students) enjoy coming together to complain. It gives them (or I should say "us", as I'm an articling student) a sense of surviving in the trenches with one another and overcoming all odds to accomplish something great. But really, it's just an echo chamber of complaints and in reality it's not bad at all. You will have fun if you learn to study smart and enjoy the process.
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