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  1. 15 points
    Seriously man? What a shitty thing to say to someone who is excited to start a new job. Not everybody has the same priorities or goals that you do. Living/working in a busy downtown core isn't everyone's ideal.
  2. 12 points
    ^ no fucking kidding. What wildly shitty behaviour.
  3. 8 points
    But why shit on that firm anyway?
  4. 6 points
    They seem really, really happy, to be honest. And many of them have been there 10+ years. I spoke to one who articled there 11 years ago and admitted at the time he got the job offer he was disappointed not to be on Bay. He's still there and doesn't regret it. They're all really kind, friendly, brilliant people. It seems like a great firm.
  5. 5 points
    I've heard nothing but solid things about it. One of the partners was at Davies and DOJ before moving there. Congrats. It will be a great experience. I'll remind everyone that this is a stressful process and it can have students saying things they normally would not say and probably do not truly believe themselves, or behaving in ways that they normally would not behave. Let's keep the positive energy going and support one another. Hakuna Matata.
  6. 5 points
  7. 5 points
    I agree with @Hegdis. Connections can often be beneficial but one thing to keep in mind is that these very wealthy individuals likely have very established relationships with law firms and it would be very unlikely, years from now, that they are going to move their business to another firm simply because of any connection to you.
  8. 5 points
  9. 4 points
    A lot of the folks at Loopstra Nixon were Bay Street lawyers that lateralled there so I guess there is that. 🤔
  10. 4 points
    Honestly, no. I'll leave it at that.
  11. 4 points
    I was born and raised in Etobicoke, and continue to live here. Works for me Plus who wouldn't want to live next to the ballinest amusement park a mall in Toronto has ever seen? LOL And gambling next door. Makes for exciting client meetings.
  12. 4 points
    There is no doubt that “who you know” is helpful and you are getting a head start. I have found the real value in Knowing People early on is that it assures people in the profession that you Belong. For that matter, it assures you that you Belong. That’s a pretty big leg up. (Take it from a person who didn’t, and had to put in years and years before establishing a network from zero, feeling like an imposter most of the time!) In terms of it actually assisting your career in terms of you getting clients, lots depends on that. But I agree with the earlier poster who said you shouldn’t graft your whole future on the assumption that your network will keep you afloat. Treat it as window dressing instead of foundational to your career and you will be better counsel for it, whatever you do.
  13. 4 points
  14. 4 points
    You could literally say that about every topic on this forum
  15. 4 points
    Life is uncertain. Trying to weigh ever possible variable becomes impossible, at some point. If it's your dream to live and work in the U.S. then pursue that dream. I understand that dream about as much as I would if you were desperate to get laid by Danny DeVito before he dies and it's too late. But hey - follow your dreams, wherever they may lead.
  16. 3 points
    In very, very, very broad strokes, the market rate is about 10% of your salary for hitting target, and another 5% for every 100 hours above that up to 2000. That being said, only a couple of firms formally cleave to that structure and the rest dance around that market reality with a more holistic (or ostensibly holistic) assessment process, based in part on associate performance and firm performance.
  17. 3 points
    Good lord the debate here is ridiculous. Why is everybody arguing as if there's one possibility? I'm sure there's been at least one gold medalist who was a genius with perfect recall that didn't have to study once, one who was a moderately intelligent but incredibly diligent student who lived in the library, and one that was a crafty strategist who took the easiest courses and researched precisely what the profs were looking for. Plus any combination of the three.
  18. 3 points
    I don't remember being this strategic. I just did the reading/work assigned until I felt that I knew the law in that area. I would take summaries already made but heavily modify them (I mostly just hated to work on formatting). Then twice a year I would write about what I learned. I also left every exam I ever took early (including the bar exam). I'm only saying this so that people who are reading this don't think there is some key to all of this that is anything more than doing what works for you. Edit: I should also say that I'm not even a practising lawyer anymore and havent been for years so if success for you is defined as being a lawyer then maybe being a medallist isn't necessarily important to that overall goal.
  19. 3 points
    Just to stick up for my alma mater - Bond teaches Canadian law with Canadian professors. The classes that are Australian focused (e.g. Torts, Civ Pro, Secured Transactions) lift pretty easily to Canada. No more difficult than an out-of-province student coming to practice in Ontario. So maybe that isn't the best example. My experience with Canadian trained students is that they are no less clueless than I was when it came time to article. And that's totally normal/expected. All of this said, standard advice from this NCA lawyer, apply in Canada first. Any difficulty you avoid on the front end of school you'll pay for on the back end. With (literal) interest.
  20. 3 points
    Does anyone know why some Ontario schools request your LSAT from LSAC directly? Shouldn't it be OLSAS doing the requesting and then these law schools subsequently pulling it from OLSAS? What's the point of them sending a separate request directly to LSAC?
  21. 3 points
    Extremely wrong, easily debunked theory.
  22. 3 points
    I'm about the same level call as you and I've done only litigation, and almost all my experience being in criminal defence and family legal aid. I'm very introverted and for most of my life have been an "avoid confrontation at all costs" sort of person (I began becoming a little more accepting of confrontational situations prior to going to law school). I thought tax law might be well-suited to my personality when I was in law school, but I didn't do so good at it. I think most people would guess that my personality is not a good fit for litigation. Yet I've consistently gotten good feedback with regards to my natural abilities in the courtroom, and I keep getting further opportunities in litigation. I've had a number of mentors, on the other hand, who pride themselves on thriving on confrontation, yet they report experiencing basically same kind of stress and discomfort with the job as me. Here's my theory: no one likes litigation. That's why they pay you to do it. You get used to it is what they'll tell you. My advice: take the job.
  23. 3 points
    Your threads are getting shut down pretty quickly, so this appears to be my last shot. I’m writing this because prospective students and other people heading into OCIs read the forum and they should have a reasonable response to the anxiety in your threads in order for them to build their own healthy relationship to law school. I think everyone has confirmed for you that you do not need an HH to get an OCI position. That’s statistically demonstrated in the UV surveys and every graduate of UT law will (and has) told you that we knew people with no HHs who got the same jobs as people with HHs. It’s been a few years since I dug into the stats, but while only 40-something percent get an OCI gig, something like 70+% of the people who toss in their name get interviews. That’s an extraordinarily high number - there is no other job I have known of other than medicine where such a huge number of graduates get a shot at top paying jobs. It may well depress you to know that buying the UT admission didn’t buy you a job, but relative to the world of options any of us could have faced, we all came out of law school with pretty remarkable employability, especially considering law school teaches so few skills. It’s late August. If your year is anything like my year, you will find the halls of UT largely insufferable until call back day. Students will grow increasingly nervous. They will share greater and greater numbers of supposed ‘insider’ wisdom and little tricks like ‘Blakes likes people who wear straight colored ties; no design’ - that’s one a human being, a real live breathing human being who considers themselves smarter than your average anti-vaxxer, actually said to me. They actually thought a serious law firm had a secret tie color policy, like a caricature of skull & bones. The real truth is, as it almost always is, far more boring and straightforward: law firms may have grade floors, they may have flexible floors that can be impacted by your resume/life experience, but once OCIs start it’s just a question of whether you interview well and leave a good impression on people, as in literally every other job on the face of planet earth. Get this deep into your heads - law student job apps are not unique, they are just job interviews like any other, and the more you buy into the skull & bones image of Toronto law, the sillier you sound. This is all a function of immaturity, crippling inability to deal with uncertainty (itself a function of inexperience in life), and, bizarrely, success. At law schools with very low biglaw rates, students do not experience the same kind of stress about grades or OCIs. It sounds weird to say that the higher your chances at something, the higher your anxiety, but with students it’s often true. The reason is that you’re not merely hoping to get a job or pay a bill, but actually trying to affirm your sense of self. We talk about law students as ‘type A’, but it’s far more accurate to say they’re just highly insecure and lack the life experience to contextualize unfamiliar developments. You walk out of undergrad seeing yourself as one of the smart kids, one of the success stories - then law school comes and there’s a meaningful risk you’ll have to reframe yourself as someone who isn’t always awarded the highest honors by whatever authority is standing nearby - scary! And what’s worse, half of your friends get to keep that identity as you watch it sail away. That’s far harder to swallow than if one out of twenty friends retains that identity. So how to stay sane, happy, un-anxious and productive? You need to recognize that the set of fears you’re treading in is quick sand. There is no set of secret buttons you can push to get As or get the job you want. There is no checklist. There is no secret another classmate knows that you don’t know, and the student who tells you they know the secret is masking their insecurity by feigning knowledge. There is no magic, no incantation, no study approach, no flash card trick, no reading selection method, nothing at all that will give you certainty. All you can do is your best, and the good news is that’s very often enough. A prof is mean or another classmate cold? Son. You’re out here talking about your dream of being a bigshot corporate lawyer. Someone was mean to you? Boo hoo. Aren’t you trying to become the guy who fields furious calls from private equity clients at 11pm? None of us enjoys assholes, and I’m the first guy to tell you all of that shit should end, but you can’t really cry to me that you’re struggling in life over a prof being mean to you but also you deserve to represent some of the most notably asshole-ish clients on earth. If you can’t stay happy through a mean prof, why should I recommend hiring and putting you in front of a mean client? Sounds like a terrible idea. And this applies far wider than corporate law - you want to be a criminal defence lawyer? Want to handle divorces? Employment disputes? We have a job to do here, some people are going to be assholes and you need to be able to just set that aside and not take it personally in order to do your duty effectively. School is hard? You don’t know if you’ll get an A? Son. You’re asking for a seat at the table of stress. You think school is hard, wait till you’re the only person really in charge of making sure $800,000,000 is transferred properly and correctly. Wait till someone’s liberty is on your shoulders. A child’s life. I’ve written this spiel a bunch of times, but you need to reframe all of this in your head as something motivational. You want to be great at something? Good. It’s hard work and there’s stiff competition. Do you think Sidney Crosby was sad the first time he found a league he couldn’t score 280 points in? Or do you think he woke up and thought ‘great, I’m where I belong and I’m being challenged’? Take a look at yourself. Do you want to be the person who can only feel happy when they’re in a room they can dominate? Or are you the person who wants to grow, challenge and find their ceiling - actually flex the muscles of their ambition and capacity with real peers? Be the second guy. Not because it gets you riches, but because it’s more fun for you and everyone else in the room. Do the right things. Exercise, take long breaks, smoke a joint and play video games...whatever is pleasurable. Be happy because life is happy - the sky is beautiful and rain feels nice and dogs are entertaining and strawberries are delicious. If you literally have zero friends, go make friends. Honestly, take a week to go camping and clear your head if you get too deep into the muck. Law will be here when you return. Stop listening to the rumor mill. Stop paying attention to everyone else’s anxiety. Stop using the hallways as an echo chamber of fear and intrigue and judgment. For the love of sweet baby Jesus, stop believing that 2Ls have secret insider information on law firms - they barely know how to get to the buildings and much of the ‘knowledge’ they pass along sounds hilarious to practicing lawyers. But most important of all, stop letting your sense of self and identity get tied up with being a law student. You are not a law student, you are a human who happens to sometimes go to a law school. I am not a lawyer, I am Hoju and I spend too much of my time at a law firm. One day I will be Hoju-who-doesn’t-spend-too-much-time-at-a-law-firm. One day I will be Hoju-who-doesn’t-practice-law. One day after that I will be Hoju-who-is-dying. The only consistency is Hoju, everything else is just sauce. You are your interests, your loves, your creation, your intent, your actions and your thoughts, and only some of those do or should relate to being a student. Here’s the good news: being stable in your identity, having a healthy response to school, and managing challenges with motivation rather than anxiety are all things that will help you to succeed in our field much, much, much, so much more than one extra HH. I can’t tell you how much more. This is where you come back and say “that’s all well and good but I have a practical problem in front of me where I need to get a job and the odds are uncertain”. Indeed they are and always will be - it’s entirely possible that OCIs is the time in your life when the odds you get some job you want are highest, but sure, I agree they are uncertain. That is precisely the reason your rock in the storm is your actual identity - you, a human, who among other things, happens to go to law school. Now that we’re back to square one, I’ll ask it again: Are you the human who wants to coast, or are you the human who wants to be challenged and to grow? You’re the latter. So enjoy it - you’ve finally found the right room.
  24. 2 points
    Hello Lawyer Candidates! I am starting this new topic to remind anyone here writing the Barrister and Solicitor exams this November, myself included, that we can do this. We just need to keep doing what we have been doing till now and not give up. If you are working full-time like me, I feel your pain. Two main things keep me going: 1) I was successful, like any of you, throughout law school and everything that came along. This should be no different. 2) I will be extremely relieved/happy once this is over. I visualize this feeling every day, which helps me make the necessary sacrifices that the studying requires. Finally, if any of you wrote the June 2019 and would like to provide us with some "advice"/feedback/warning, we would highly appreciate it. Thank you and good luck to all of us!
  25. 2 points
    Wealthy people stay wealthy by making deals with other wealthy people. Your network of individuals, whom I imagine wear a sweater over their shoulders and carry a tennis racket over their shoulder whenever they leave the house, will likely be valuable in your career. However, I wouldn't bet my career, happiness, or geography on it.
  26. 2 points
    Hi everyone, Thanks for all of the feedback, I read every post/comment and it gave me a lot to think about. In the end I decided to take the Crown job, traffic court for a year to get my feet wet and then move on. I am afraid of litigation (in that it is unknown), but I am a confident speaker and once comfortable with the process... I'm sure I'll handle the transition well. I thought about it, if it turns out that I'm not a criminal type... I will take my litigation experience and try for something else. I told my employer this week/while the other associate is on holiday and while I was nervous to have the conversation... I am so happy I am making the move. The crown came up in salary so I will only be one year having a little less pay (but better work hours, better vacation time AND working 10 minutes away from my house) and then on my one year anniversary I will be moving up a step and back making my current salary. Overall, happy to take this leap of faith and give it a shot! Cheers everyone!
  27. 2 points
    lol property isn't all that bad, constitutional worst hands down
  28. 2 points
    Any Indigenous students applying this cycle? Would love to chat about everyone's experiences
  29. 2 points
    $88k and $98k are both fiction. Articling students downtown work for and are paid for 40 weeks. $1900 x 40 = $76,000 $1700 x 40 plus the bonuses = $76,400 Both are clearly better than the $1450 paid before the summer raise, but going to $1900 from $1700 is just shuffling deck chairs without the extras.
  30. 2 points
    Since we're talking anecdotes, my experience aligns with the comment made by @Jaggers. I know, clerked with, have interviewed, have worked with for 7+ years, dozens and dozens of top students from several different law schools and don't know even one who felt the need or desire to strategize like this. It clearly might happen, and apparently did with the student that @georgecostanzajr knows, but I wouldn't want current or prospective students to think that this is the way that top students get to be top students. It just isn't. If strategy was all it took, more students would be attempting it.
  31. 2 points
  32. 2 points
    I can assure you, no one who gets a medal is taking any strategy designed to maximize their grades other than picking courses that interest them with grading styles that suit them (mainly, paper vs exam courses).
  33. 2 points
    Dude, I’ve said like 15 times that it comes down to intelligence.
  34. 2 points
    I guess I was hoping to have more of a conversation than merely gathering facts.
  35. 2 points
    So you pay peanuts for tuition and can get a course prize with a B+. Man I wish I could speak French.
  36. 2 points
  37. 2 points
    Around December/January/February a bunch of more firms, as well as government positions start appearing on a rolling basis. I just kept looking at my school job portal at what kept appearing and just kept applying to every firm/company/government branch I saw. I lucked getting hired in a field that I really really enjoy with a great group of lawyers. Also this is far from the end of the road. The articling recruit right before you start 3rd year has a ton of firms, including a few of the big corporate firms if that's what you are interested in. I had a friend who had a bunch of in firms during OCI's, struck out, and then ended up getting an articling job at a sister firm during the articling recruit. This same guy actually got another offer at the articling recruit from a firm that rejected him during OCI's and he ended up choosing a different firm. Funny how that happened. There are so many opportunities outside of the OCI recruit. If you are interested in family, personal injury, employment or criminal, most of those firms appear in the articling recruit and not the formal OCI recruit. Good luck.
  38. 2 points
    End of November is pretty darn close to beginning of December.
  39. 2 points
    I did not follow up (nor did I receive an email to say that my application was complete) -- I simply watched the tracker to ensure everything had arrived in a timely manner. I was accepted a few weeks after everything arrived. Good luck to you both!
  40. 2 points
    I'm not sure what law school you are referring to, or which examples you are citing, but I'm reasonably sure even gold medalists do not routinely get A+s across the board. Is there some reason you believe this is the case?
  41. 2 points
    You’d think Harry Rosen could afford better spammers
  42. 2 points
    Received an email yesterday morning: 166 LSAT, 3.8 L2, 3.5 cumulative (dual degree). A lot of EC's and work experience, currently working full time, and strong references. Applied September 22 and both references were submitted by October 31st. Good luck to everyone!
  43. 2 points
    I mean, the role of the student coordinator is to know about and be able to answer these kinds of questions. I would 100% go to my student coordinator about this and would recommend the same to everyone else. Just because it is not their decision in the end doesn't mean they don't play a huge role in the process, or, even if not, know how to help the student understand the process better.
  44. 2 points
    If you have a household income of $250-300k and no kids you are doing quite a bit better than “ok”, even with student debt.
  45. 2 points
    This section was painful to read. It sounds like your school just supports causes/plans events which focus on diverse ideas/cultures?? and they advertise it? What kind of conservative, right wing course are you even looking for? The whole 'half of orientation has to do with natives' part is particularly painful. *Indigenous* law is very important considering Canada's history. If I were to make a list for UWindsor #1-10 would be admin. It is insane how long it takes admin to get anything done. We received our grades a month ago, and they literally can't figure out how to rank >160 students, since the system apparently used to do it for them. It is wild. They don't answer emails, they can't make a timeline and, if they do, you can guarantee it won't be met.
  46. 2 points
    Oh boy, I get to do the speech again. Let's try the how-much-I'm-assed-this-time version. There's no such thing as a 'best firm' blah blah blah Blah blah blah better or worse in different practice areas, blah blah defined by individuals and not a firm as a whole blah blah Different offices of the same firm will yield blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah won't guarantee you will be happy working there just because yadda yadda no experience until you're ten years blah blah BLAH Blarg blarg biggest firms don't necessarily pay the highest salaries or bonuses yarbleglarbl cease to be impressed that you work at a plargldrarb Doop dee doo doo job security *whistle, whistle* strategically place themselves in different markets TORP DE DORP Sometimes the most exciting clients aren't at SHOOP DOOP DOOBIE DOO B'TANG institutional clients that you'll never BEBOP SKIDDLEY BOP total package of enjoying work, hours, and compensation bear no relation to abstract notions of 'prest-BANG CLANG PLAY DRUMS ON DESK
  47. 1 point
    No. Nobody will notice. If they do, they won't care.
  48. 1 point
    Ryerson will be one of the top 3 (law) schools in Toronto because there are only 3 law schools in Toronto by September 2020.
  49. 1 point
    Yeah for anyone else struggling with this the password is your birthday I think: yymmdd
  50. 1 point
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