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  1. 27 points
    Never thought I'd post here, I'm still in disbelief. Saw my status change to admitted! LSAT: 155 (4th take!) CGPA: 3.57 General category.
  2. 21 points
    Was having this discussion with some colleagues and thought it would fun to continue it here. Mine continues to be when a client calmly cracked a beer in court while a cop was testifying. Think about how loud that sound is, and then amplify it by about a bajillion to account for the silence and decorum of the court against the backdrop of my total and utter lack of preparation for that moment.
  3. 15 points
    To be fair, this is more an observable fact than a partisan opinion.
  4. 14 points
    They only think about nature if your degree was in environmental science.
  5. 13 points
    Okay, so I have a civil/corporate story. I'm a junior associate at a small town law firm. Our firm represents a hotel. An oil company is going through a CCAA reorganization. The partner forgets to file whatever paperwork he should have filed in order to get the outstanding hotel bills paid by the oil company. So he send me to the city. Honestly we don't have a leg to stand on other than the fact our debt is really small potatoes compared to the overall re-org, and no one else is really challenging the re-org. This was a long time ago so I forget a lot of the actual legal details. We have to wait for the judge for awhile, and eventually we get told to appear after lunch. The lawyer for the oil company agrees to just pay our hotel bill. We come back after lunch... and the judge is gone. We check with the judge's chambers, and he's left the building. This is a problem - I have to get back to my small town practice (pretty sure this was a Friday afternoon), and this other guy wants to get this reorganization finalized and signed off on. So the lawyer goes "I think I know where he is". he takes me to this ritzy social and sports club. We start wandering around the club, until we eventually find the judge in the men's change room. So the judge signs off of the CCAA order in the change room at the club.
  6. 13 points
    Tell his lying ass to kick rocks
  7. 12 points
    Well, put it this way. I can and do deny the additional rigor of those disciplines. Which means you've already introduced one false assumption into your reasoning. I will concede that different disciplines are rigorous in different ways. But ultimately, for law schools to give additional credit to one vs. another, you'd have to believe there is some kind of greater overall demonstration of ability in one vs. another. And I do deny that. I'll also say that if you were better trained in liberal arts style "rigor" you'd have seen this one coming.
  8. 12 points
    Finding out that the "girlfriend" of a client I needed to get an affidavit from was the spouse of another client.
  9. 12 points
    http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/51230-factors-other-than-cgpalsat/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/44193-a-limited-confession-about-bas-versus-everything-else/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/44164-about-to-graduate-from-biochemistry-bsc-but-want-to-go-to-law-school/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/42634-is-business-school-worth-the-gpa-risk/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/40990-how-true-is-this-article-grade-deflation/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/40645-does-difficulty-undergrad-program-matter-to-the-admissions-committee/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/40051-should-i-go-to-u-of-t-or-york-for-my-ba/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/38399-do-canadian-law-schools-care-about-prestigious-american-undergrad-degrees/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/31531-do-law-schools-consider-the-strength-of-the-undergraduate-program-from-which-you-came/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/31107-do-law-schools-consider-the-difficulty-of-programs/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/29210-best-undergrad-for-law/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/29179-just-got-into-university/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/28941-is-geography-a-dumb-major-for-law-school/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/28900-unorthodox-undergraduate-degrees-andor-applied-studies/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/27083-undergrad-school-choice/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/26292-will-my-undergraduate-major-have-any-bearing-on-my-acceptance-into-law-school/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/22551-does-a-u-of-t-undergrad-make-it-harder-to-get-into-law/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/21149-who-went-to-ryerson-for-undergrad-and-got-into-law-school/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/9346-easy-majors/ http://lawstudents.ca/forums/topic/5573-switching-from-york-to-a-better-university-harder-degree/
  10. 11 points
    You realize that by giving law students less grants you're directly impacting how many people can choose to work in poverty law areas? Especially when considering that, even though income in poverty law has a generally high increase rate compared with other professions, its start is very low as someone starts their own business? Bay street isn't all of law. It's a small fraction of first year jobs in law.
  11. 9 points
    ...or getting mad and taking it personally when other people express opinions different from yours in discussions. I also don't think that opinions/viewpoints in law school (or anywhere) can be so neatly categorized as "conservative" and "SJW" and I'm troubled by the black and white thinking. An "SJW feminist" might write a paper for a Sentencing class in criminal law that sentencing for sexual assault is too lenient, or asking for a lower standard of proof on sexual assault cases or for the accused to be compelled to testify. This would be the position of some (not all) Crowns and is aligned with conservative views on stiffer penalties. Someone else might write a paper arguing for robust protection of the presumption of innocence that would prevent any of those measures from being enacted. That someone else COULD be coming from a conservative, anti-feminist perspective that thinks women often lie about sexual assault to jam men up.... or they could be coming from the perspective of a person of colour/indigenous person who is for decarceration in general and partly because of its disproportionate impact on racialized persons, which is more of a radical left position, or they could be apolitical or centrist and looking at it strictly in terms of criminal law principles, and for the last two options, they might also be a feminist. How would the prof know what their politics are, and why would it matter?
  12. 9 points
    You know, for a guy who finds it hard to share a room with anyone who disagrees with you, you sure are quick to attack anyone else who feels the same way.
  13. 8 points
    Accepted Jan 29th cGPA: 3.44 L2: 3.67 LSAT: 159 General Category Third time's a charm.
  14. 8 points
    Just got the email!! First ontario acceptance, so excited! Olsas cgpa: 3.09, L2: Around 3.66...not sure because I'm still completing my last year. LSAT: 162
  15. 8 points
    For someone who claims he scored in the top 2% of test takers, he seems very easily confused and also didn’t have a great understanding of the LSAT when I asked him to explain the test he took to me... he claimed the first section was like 3 hours long and that there were questions that required short answer responses. I’m leaning heavily towards the conclusion that he’s lying about all of this- including his apparent current enrolment in law school.
  16. 8 points
    Accepted!! CGPA: 2.68 / L2: 2.75 / LSAT: 168 Mature applicant with a master’s degree. Surprised to hear back this early and happy to give hope to mature students with low grades!
  17. 8 points
    Oh the whole, I feel the greatest division in thought among all law students is that most are perfectly content to simply attend school, learn the law, and are not particularly troubled by what anyone else's politics happens to be. Some, however, are perpetually obsessed by what other people think, and simply cannot be moved from the conviction, even without evidence, that their "political environment" (whatever that really means, to them) is somehow integral to the experience of learning law. The later group is a small minority. But put too many in a room together, and all hell breaks loose. If they disagree, it's a fucking mess. And even when they agree with one another, they'll inevitably find common cause against whatever thing happens to bug them. You can use the law to advance a political agenda. There's nothing wrong with that. But legal knowledge is legal knowledge. You can learn it just as well around people who disagree with you, and from people who disagree with you. Effective advocates know this. Anyone who doesn't, quite frankly, is one of the dumber people in the room to begin with.
  18. 8 points
    It might be a good idea to leave it to students who actually attend U of T to answer questions on the grading system, since the rest of you don't seem to understand how it works.
  19. 7 points
    I was preparing my insured for an examination for discovery and he says "don't worry, I've been to discovery tons of times. What do you want me to say?" and then winks. We subsequently admitted liability.
  20. 7 points
    I'm replying to this thread from my yacht in the South of France.
  21. 7 points
  22. 7 points
    My best advice is to really emphasize any additional languages you are fluent in. There are niche practises that serve immigrant communities where fluency in Punjabi or Farsi or Arabic or whatever is a real asset.
  23. 7 points
    It's often U of T students asking what their own grades mean, as in this thread, suggesting that it hasn't been well explained to them by whichever U of T entity is supposed to do that.
  24. 7 points
    Some advice, probably misguided, totally uninvited, and likely to go unheeded, but here nonetheless (from the perspective of a current Oz 2L): 1) It really doesn't matter as far as I know, and if it does, you won't know (recruiters from each firm won't be posting that kind of info here, and doubtful that you'll get that kind of specific info from the relatively small people who post here who would be privy to that information at each and every firm); even more uncertain is how that information could possibly help you even if you had it. Suffice to say if you have crappy grades overall, you won't get a lot of interviews barring some truly exceptional circumstances (at Osgoode, that would be below a B average). Don't write yourself off if you have a B average, and don't rest on your laurels if you have an A average. I had two friends with the former who are now at major Bay Street firms for the summer, and another three with As who had great interviews and didn't end up landing anywhere in Toronto. As has been written elsewhere here, your grades are going to be part of what gets you in the door and after that it's a whole different game. Even at the OCI-offer stage firms will be looking at your resume to see if you have what they're interested in (which can vary year to year because big law is a business, although they might be more likely to make room for you if you're a high achiever in something they aren't focusing on just to make sure no one else has you). Generally better grades mean more options, rather than providing a surefire means at getting at a particular firm. Which brings me to my second point: 2) 2a) Honestly, this might be the healthiest possible thing to learn about in law school for law students (not pointed directly at OP since it's not his post). You got in the top 5% of a class of 75 or so. That is brilliant, no matter what your average ends up being (an aside to that point, but not to freak other people out, I had a prof in the know about these kinds of things say that for clerkships it might even be better to have a C and an A than two B+, because it signals that you can compete with the best of them even if you have an off day; please do not read into this idea and turn it into a maxim, as law students are wont to do). Once you order your transcripts, particularly for Oz, take a look at the curve profiles and understand that more than half of your 1L class will have a B average or lower. Keep in mind that a B at Oz basically spans from the 'just barely scraped above a C' to 'just barely missed the mark for a B+ on a technicality'; it's also a massive range and, since there are no class rankings, no one knows how well you did and no one cares to know except you. If the differences between averages are only valuable to a degree, then the difference within one is statistically meaningless. 2b) Going back to the big law is a business point, law students also unfortunately (if understandably) take not being hired (or indeed being hired in some cases) waaaay too personally. Sometimes a firm will really like you but end up not having room to take someone in your area of interest; other times, they might be a bit on the fence but think your amazing resume means that it will be worth rolling the dice. Either way, statistics start to kick in again for hirebacks (even for so called 'guaranteed' hirebacks --> in no case is anyone saying you are guaranteed a spot 5 years in, so at best the statistical dropoff is extended some months forward). I would be surprised if there are more than 10 people in any class of 290 at Osgoode that get everything they want and never experience any kind of sense of defeat or remorse; for the rest of us, it's probably a much more valuable skill to learn to not take a setback personally, to be willing and open to hear criticism and try to learn how to improve, and most importantly to learn to accept that sometimes there is nothing you could have done differently. Law school, firm hiring, etc is not math: a grading profile from one prof might look completely different if a different prof marked the exact same exams and, likewise, there is a reason why firm recruitment teams will have ardent and visceral disagreements about who to hire, despite all the finalists being intelligent, capable, and impressive people. (All before we even get to the whole "only about 30% of the class gets a job through Toronto OCIs at Oz, even in a good year") Side Points: 3) Having an A+ at Osgoode does not mean you get a course award. I had an A+, my friends had them, and we did not get course awards. Though honestly if that is going to keep you awake at night, good luck surviving in practice; what separates you at rank 10/75 and rank 1/75 might be a slightly poorly worded paragraph on an otherwise brilliant exam, let alone what would separate 1/75 and 2/75. Law students seem to put too much stock in things that don't matter and not enough in things that do (see above about statistics). 4) Don't worry about the 1L recruit. If you want to do it, go ahead! It might be rough, but it is also a great excuse to have your application materials evaluated (and even prepped so that you only have to tweak them for the 2L recruit). I had 3 Bs out of 3 my first term at Osgoode and got a 1L interview (didn't land, though the CDO was flabbergasted that I even got an interview as they would have recommended I not apply). Ended up working at a smaller litigation firm in the suburbs that gave me an amazing level of experience by comparison, even with what bigger firms were selling me in the 2L recruit. Further to points 2) and 3), make sure you are willing to go into the processes knowing what is important to you instead of taking the hand of the first Bay Street firm that says they'll have you. I had several firms in the 2L recruit signal to me what they wanted me to say and I was not comfortable going along with it, so I didn't land at any of them and will be happy exploring some other options. Obviously that level of stubbornness might not be desirable or an option for you, but never underestimate the worth of just stopping to think about what you want and what you will be getting, beyond the din of what you hear hammered into you at law school. Overall points being: a) be realistic but don't count yourself out of anything just because you hear it through the law school whisper torrent; b) recruitment is a two-way street, and, especially if you have time during the summer after 1L, take the time to plot out your values and reach out to people a couple of years in practice (including people not on Bay) - don't base your life decisions on what a firm website or, god forbid, other law students tell you is important; and d) TL;DR don't take your successes or shortcomings at face value, but try to be critical and honest with yourself instead of hysterically thinking you're sh*t or puffing up your chest because you are the king of law school exams. Figuring out how can you improve is, in the long term, so much more useful than worrying about one bad grade says about you (or being conceited about what one awesome grade means). And you also might have to make peace with the fact that things don't always happen for a good reason. Never be afraid to swallow your pride and ask why something didn't work out; I've done it in both classes and recruits, and you'd be amazed how helpful people can be when you show a genuine desire to learn from them. Thanks for reading my (cathartic? and meandering but hopefully useful) rant-post. Hope it helps OP & others.
  25. 7 points
    Very few law grads end up on Bay St. If legal education was more affordable and recent grads could choose jobs based on factors other than paying off a mountain of debt, smaller communities and legal clinics would become viable career options. Reducing free money is one thing, but reducing net funding (which the new plan does as well) makes it harder for students from middle-income families to go to law school.
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