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  1. 14 points
    If you weren't the gold medallist, aren't you used to not being the best? Just apply the same mindset.
  2. 14 points
    ALEXANDER How can I, bastard, orphan son of a whore And a Scotsman, dropped in the middle of a forgotten spot in the Caribbean By providence, impoverished, in squalor, become a fancy Osgoode Haller? DIPLOCK I get it, young man, no doubt you've seen your share of strife But's there's this thing I call the Fallacy of the Perfect Life Your dad's gone - that sucks, but it's not a claim for Access How's that gonna explain your repeated mediocre LSATs? Yeah, so, if the shoe fits wear it Your application sucks but you've got years to repair it And if you make that effort I sure do wish you the best, sir But don't you fucking come back here and ask 'bout going to Leicester
  3. 12 points
    Maturity. You'll grow out of it. Or ultimately burn yourself out. It's not a healthy mentality. There are many metrics. Are you the best because of billing? High numbers doesn't mean that you necessarily did a good job. Are you the best because of a really awesome outcome on a deal? Did you burn a bridge while taking a hard line stance to get that awesome deal? Are you the best because 3 partners like you? Meaningless if judges roll their eyes when you walk in. There is more to life than your job. Focus on doing a good job. Be proud of what you do. There is a balance though. Focusing on one area (like your job) can be detrimental to other areas (family, relationships and self care).
  4. 8 points
    In my experience, those who are recognized by others as 'the best', are typically very humble individuals who would rarely, if ever, think that of themselves. Don't worry about being the best. Do good work consistently, be a good mentor to others, get the respect of your colleagues. If you are able to accomplish that, you will, or should, be in a good place in life. You are very early in your career and I hope that you can learn this lesson. Otherwise, you are likely to be an unhappy individual.
  5. 8 points
    Forget about being the best. You're a working adult now drifting toward middle life.--just try to stay humble. Outside of some arena where there's an objective measure of performance, the concept of "the best" is purely a manifestation of insecurity. Purely. We're not talking about some race you can win and therefore know you're the superior competitor. The problem with living as "the best" is that it seeps into every task you perform and every conversation you have. A partner pops in to ask you some obscure legal question and you don't immediately know the answer. The guy in the next office does because he just wrote a memo on it last week. You're crushed. You can see how self-destructive that is.
  6. 6 points
    Passed both. I honestly feel like I won a weird lottery. It is impossible to know how to prepare for this exam and each of us prays what we did will suffice. My heart goes out to anyone who failed one or both of the exams. I know you must feel demoralized and defeated right now, but you shouldn't. You are way ahead in preparing to write it again, and LSO reports that 95% of people pass both within 3 sittings. You got this and we're all cheering you on <3.
  7. 6 points
    It's about time for me to chime in and update the forum regarding my experience so far. First, I want to thank everyone who offered their time and advice late last year. Quitting your job to begin an entrepreneurial venture is incredibly scary. I am very grateful for the advice and support I received here. To recap, in November 2018 I was an PI lawyer with about $50,000.00 saved. I wasn't happy as a one trick pony and was considering renting a space and starting a general practice from scratch. It was terrifying. I turned to this forum for advice. I also started meeting with general practitioners in my area to develop a strategy. While exploring my options, I ended up finding two lawyers that share expenses and keep their profits. They were getting older and just so happened to be interested in having another lawyer around. I met with them and it seemed to be a good fit. I gave my employer notice, was fired on the spot and started the next day. I didn't just hang my own shingle and start from scratch. That would have been much harder, and kudos to anyone who has conquered that challenge. Basically, I walked into turn key arrangement where I had two seasoned lawyers to mentor me. I didn't have to be afraid about taking on files where I needed to learn a thing or two along the way. That was a big bonus. To get things started, I put $10,000.00 into the firm's general account and we started a limited liability partnership with my name on the letterhead. I signed up for the criminal and family legal aid panels. I also signed up for the law society referral service which helped initially. Having left a busy PI practice, I also took some dog files to keep me busy (which haven't paid a penny yet). To meet my living expenses, I started taking a draw of $500.00 per week. Some of the best advice I received here was to control my home overhead, which I did. It was the only thing I had absolute control over in the beginning. My draw increased to $750.00 a few months later and I take $1000.00 at present. To my surprise the work started rolling in rather quickly. And not because the lawyers were feeding it to me. My network referred things right away and the phone rang regularly for family law matters. I also picked up some criminal files along the way, and a few real estate transactions started trickling in. Since Nov 2018, I have about 100 files which is plenty to keep me busy. About 90% of the work I brought in myself, whether through legal aid or through the network. The other 10% has been referred by my partners, and I give them 15% of the billings. No two experiences are the same. But mine has been way better than I could have expected. I made just shy of $5,000.00 after tax between Nov and Dec 2018. Between Jan 2019 and present, I've billed $175,000.00 and have collected a little over $100,000.00. I have no doubt I will bill $300,000.00 by the end of the year. I'm working between 45-60 hours a week which keeps my monthly billings are between $25,000.00 and $30,000.00 per month. This is based on $250.00 an hour and legal aid at $109.14 an hour. In terms of overhead, a 1/3 share of rent, two clerks, a receptionist, etc., is about $70,000.00 a year. It's nuts to think about, but I'm expecting to be making a gross income north of $200,000.00 which is more than 3 times what I was earning before. Im also hitting these numbers in a small town where you can buy a house for under $300,000.00. Certainly something to consider for those folks who are entrenched in the big city or bust mentality. Please feel free to ask any questions. I would be happy to post responses and hope the discussion will be useful to other members of the bar considering the plunge into sole practice or partnership.
  8. 5 points
    Seek out a niche. Become the go-to person for that particular thing. I am not The Best. But I don’t know anyone who runs a specific court application on a set issue as well as I do. I have senior counsel calling me to run their applications by me when they try to do the same thing. It’s gratifying and satisfying. And it’s as close to The Best as I can get in this career, as an adult, with infinite variables and opportunities in front of me. There aren’t any external goalposts anymore. Find a thing you do well and excel at that thing and reach out to others who want to do that thing and help them out. Answer calls. Stay on top of the law and developments. Write a memo and pass it around the office. It’s not a gold medal but who wants a gold medal? You want the respect and praise of your peers. So earn it.
  9. 4 points
    Yeah, I'm out here just trying not to be a laughing stock in whatever activity I try. Being the best isn't on my radar. I just want to be respected and considered competent.
  10. 4 points
    Some debt is likely inevitable. 1. Really look into any scholarships, bursaries, awards, or grants that you could possibly be eligible for. Don’t assume you will be automatically given these things. Seek them out aggressively. 2. Figure out what your resources are. Did you parents or caregivers put aside any money for your education? Would any family members be willing to help you out? Is there a summer job you can go back to in between 1L and 2L (law-related jobs being relatively rare at that stage)? Do you have any savings yourself? 3. Look into what the banks will offer you in terms of interest. Be smart and be picky. Scotiabank has a reputation for being very reasonable for law students but you need to look into these options yourself! Remember: not all lines of credit are equal. 4. Figure out what your expenses will be and map them out. Include travel and housing and food, ongoing medications, any new clothes you might need (eg you should have one decent suit and shoes to match). This is not an opportunity to enjoy feeling frugal on paper - that’s setting yourself up for failure. Just be reasonable about what you need and what it costs. 5. Budget and stick to it. Just because the bank will give you X dollars doesn’t mean you should spend all of it. Spend what you need for food and rent, and a modest amount of extras. But when tempted to spend more, do not think of it as “I have $15,000 left in the bank!” - instead think of it as “I have the ability to owe an additional $15,000 in two years!” 6. Unless there is a really incredible opportunity or your family is footing the bill, work to support yourself over your summers. Law or non law jobs - just don’t go into debt for the eight months when you have time to pay your bills yourself. 7. If you have a credit card, pay it off, set the limit low, and shred all your other credit cards. It’s too easy to slap the Visa down on the bar in a moment of drunken generosity. Credit card debt is especially evil for students unused to being financially responsible. You will sap your LOC bit by steady bit if you are foolishly thinking credit card debt is somehow a separate kind of debt. 8. Don’t think of your debt as something to worry about three years from now. Any law student in September of 2L will be looking at OCIs and realizing they really need to have a well paid job the coming summer. The money related stress sets in hardcore and it doesn’t go away. At that point the difference between $50k of debt and $95k of debt changes what your whole future looks like to you. So be smart from the beginning.
  11. 4 points
    A good example of why it's wise to take this type of advice from someone who just finished 1L, with a huge grain of salt.
  12. 4 points
    No, it doesn't get better over time. The only thing you gain is the perspective that comes from going through the troughs and knowing that you've found your equilibrium eventually. Now I can say, "I know this sucks. I know I feel like shit and everything can burn. But eventually this will pass." There's no way to avoid the emotional pain of practice if you're doing your job properly. That's like asking how you can stick your bare hand in a fire and not be burned. If you're losing winnable cases by making mistakes, that's a hell you can only escape by acts of mental lifesaving. Here's the reality: if you're litigating cases by calling evidence, this will happen over and over again. There is no way to escape this, even with maximum preparation. What you have to try to avoid is the delusion of thinking every case is winnable. But here's a ridiculous gloss on your question: I won a trial recently for a client who didn't even show up on the original trial-date. I had to go to his house to get him. Today I saw him at the local convenience store, and he gave me the finger.
  13. 4 points
    After you lock a job down, you wind up in a weird spot where you're no longer actively jumping through hoops --- often for the first time in your life. Sure, there's hireback and partnership to worry about, but there's nothing you can do about that right now. A lot of people feel like their lives have lost direction in 3L because, well, they have! There's getting to be less and less you have to accomplish as you get closer and closer to your goal. The goalposts will soon change, but that won't hit home for a while yet. You're also going to have to prepare yourself for the real aimlessness that comes right after hireback. When you get back from your vacation and get to work, you realize: hey. I'm just... going to keep churning this work out... forever. Maybe in eight years I'll make partner, but that's really just a change in pay. Hm. That's when highly motivated individuals hit a crisis point, and after about three years they start to defect in droves. They're used to knowing where their lives are headed, how to get there, and what they need to be working on right now to get that done. You're coming to the end of that rope. The world's about to get a lot looser, a lot more unpredictable. You might work at a big firm, then go in-house, then work for a regulator, then come back to a big firm as specialized counsel. Maybe you'll be a deputy judge for a while and move to Calgary. School's over. Life's about to happen, and it's a huge, complicated mess with no prerequisites or cutoff marks. Some of your friends are going to go to big firms and you'll be envious of their huge salaries if they make partner early... but others will be in business and you'll be envious of their freedom and influence. Others will work closer to the community and you'll be envious of how much they enjoy their work. Others will work fewer hours and you'll be envious of their work/life balance. And you'll bounce around a couple of times to different jobs as you start to realize that 'prestige' isn't really a thing and you're going to have to decide what you want to accomplish and how you want to feel every day of your life before you die. Those are huge questions, and they represent the exact opposite of a clear path. Motivation is incredibly difficult when you don't know where you're going, where you even want to go, how to get there, and how you'll feel if you do. For the first time ever, you make your own hoops. And it takes an awful lot of courage to hang them wherever you want, instead of wherever you think they're supposed to go. Of course all this comes with a serious blow to the self-esteem. If you're not motivated to strive and accomplish, what are you doing? Who are you? Look at all these other people; they seem to know where they're going and what they're doing and are still churning away. Why am I not keeping pace? Well, it might just be that reality is dawning on you a little sooner. Fairly soon you'll see the end of all this ambition: the partner in the corner office with more money than Croesus, feared and respected within the firm and her niche practice of 80 other lawyers downtown... and that's it. That's pretty much where it ends. Some people also become frustrated, overworked judges labouring away harder than they did in practice for a third of the money. You've never heard of any of these people and likely never will. That's where this train goes. For some people, that's right where they want to be. For most, as they approach the stop they forget why they were so interested in going. Does that come with a heaping helping of insecurity, apprehension and lack of motivation? Absolutely. You're not alone. It happens to all but the most blindered individuals eventually. You can't have strong self-esteem unless you're doing good work. You can't do good work without motivation, and you can't be motivated if you're not sure what you're working for anymore. Maybe this doesn't describe you, but it happens often enough that I thought I'd take a stab at it. On a completely different note, for 3L, maybe consider an academic pursuit. I was a bit demotivated, so I took on a directed research project that I found totally fascinating. At the end I had a fancy publication on my CV and I had a reason to get up in the morning.
  14. 3 points
    Yea its amazing how little movement there is compared to previous years. Might be that the class is actually staying full or that admin is just behind on sending out more acceptances.
  15. 3 points
    Well if someone is giving them out.
  16. 3 points
    Some people like scoring all the goals in house league, some want to see how well they can play in AAA. To each their own, but I really think it’s only fair to call the latter competitive. You should consider this a happy development.
  17. 3 points
    At first I read this post as "dripping with sarcasm". In case my read of it was wrong - this is basically the antithesis of the right advice - but okay - whatever helps you sleep at night. If you are starting with $40K debt and take out another $135K (assuming you don't take out OSAP), you are graduating with $175K in debt. That's a house (in some less populated areas of the country). I have a fancy Bay Street job and I can tell you that there is no way I could pay that off in the first 5 years of my career. Imagine that OP ends up as a country lawyer making $50K/year (which is nothing to sneeze at, it's where a lot of lawyers end up with their income) - it will be very difficult to pay back $175K at 4% (or more depending on prime) over 10 years. Not if it means that you will be debt strapped and financially struggling for the first 10 years following your "investment". In that case it would be decidedly one of the worst decisions you could have made in your life.
  18. 3 points
    Listen to TheScientist101. That amount of debt can be crushing and it will, undoubtedly, influence what you can and cannot do for many years after law school. A minority of students will end up with Bay St. salaries. Remember that. Minimize your debt to the greatest extent possible.
  19. 3 points
    I'm going to try to say this in a way that doesn't sound snide, but I guess since I've been asked by name I'll give the only answer I know how to give. You've asked so many different questions about so many different kinds of practice and the only thing they have even remotely in common is money. Elsewhere you were asking about major firms. Here you're asking about sole practice. Everywhere you're asking about what's most lucrative, and ping-ponging around incredibly different areas of practice. And I've gotta tell you - I really think you're doing this wrong. Now, I offer this criticism when you've actually finally said something about the sort of law you believe you'd find interesting - and that's great. Because that's what you need to focus on. Figure out the work you want to do. If you can't imagine what the law would be like, right now, think about the kind of clients you want to serve. Start there and then figure out how to be successful within and around your interests. Do not try to shoehorn your interests into wherever you imagine the money to be. It won't work. And it's not that I'm against making money. It's simply that there are capable and ambitious people working in every area of law and this is a competitive profession. If you don't like what you do, and the only thing that drives and motivates you at the end of the day is the love of money, you won't be good at what you do. Which means you won't be terribly successful at it either. Perhaps I'll offer a useful distinction which you seem to not be focusing on. There's what some call "retail" legal work and there is what you might call "institutional" legal work. Retail clients are normal people - people buying houses, with family or criminal problems, civil cases, etc. These are all the areas of law you'd be looking at if you want to start your own practice because individual, retail-type clients can and will hire the lawyer who's just on their own as a lawyer. Institutional clients, meanwhile, are corporations, other entities, high net-worth individuals (I know, not really institutional, but work with me here) who hire firms rather than individual lawyers. These clients and the work they need done are not generally compatible with sole practice. Now exceptions may occur - experienced lawyers may leave a big firm environment and start some kind of boutique that's reputable enough to attract some institutional clients. I don't claim to know this area of law well enough to comment further. But my basic point is this. The areas of practice you'd be looking at doing if you work for a large firm are completely opposite what you'd be doing if you wanted to start your own practice as a recent call. So yeah, I don't know if your various questions are meant to be taken separately. But at least get this idea straight. If you want to be out on your own very soon after being called, you aren't looking to start at a large firm at all. Because they don't do what you'd end up doing on your own. Large firms aren't training lawyers to do retail residential real estate. If they have real estate as a practice area, they are doing large commercial stuff - exactly what you wouldn't do on your own. They generally don't do criminal or family at all, save perhaps as a niche for existing clients. Immigration ... maybe high flying economic immigrants, but not the kind of work you'd do sole. I hope you're getting the idea. If you want to open a small real estate practice (as one example) you want to learn at a small real estate practice. Not to say it needs to be one lawyer in a back room somewhere. But you sure won't be learning this stuff at the firms that you're asking about elsewhere. Anyway, back to the basic point. You're running around in mental circles trying to figure out where the money's at. Stop it. Think about what you want to do first, figure out how you get started at doing that, and then figure out how to do it well and successfully. Hope that helps.
  20. 3 points
    Oh dear God no. You don’t want to learn the basics as you go along in real estate - get employed by a reputable office and learn the ropes properly first.
  21. 3 points
    I will offer the simplest and most direct contribution I know how to offer, and then stay out of the ensuing speculation-fest. I overheard senior Crowns and defence counsel in a conversation on this topic, not long after I was called. They raised all the same issues - overhead, benefits, lifestyle, etc. The way that Crowns are compensated differs so much from defence counsel that direct comparisons are difficult. How the evaluate the various differences becomes contentious. Finally, someone reduced it to this. We can haggle over how to measure each advantage and disadvantage, but it comes down to this. Lawyers are voting with their feet. Twenty years ago, senior Crowns would get fed up and say "screw this, I'm going defence and I'm going to make some money." That NEVER happens anymore. I know Crowns who'd love to leave but they can't afford to. They can't replace their income doing anything else. Meanwhile, talented young defence counsel are beating a path to the Crown's door. The only ones who aren't considering it are opposed mainly on ideological grounds. Everyone arguing here, largely from ignorance, isn't living the reality. It's visible, and it's obvious, to anyone on the ground. You can also argue it's cyclical. Maybe we'll get back around to the point that senior Crowns leave again, to make some money in defence. But right now, at this point in the cycle, defence are getting completely screwed vis-a-vis the Crown. And any argument otherwise needs to start with the assumption that many highly educated professionals are acting totally irrationally in order to explain what's going on. Which, to state the obvious, doesn't seem likely.
  22. 2 points
    I think applicants are so disappointed with the administration's incompetence this cycle that we've all been deterred from attempting to engage with them.
  23. 2 points
    What's the alternative if you don't go to law school? Do you have a stable job with advancement prospects? Do you enjoy what you're doing now that you could forego law school and being a lawyer to stay on this path or a non-law school path for the rest of your career? The alternative is to work for a few years and save up money so you minimize the debt to about half of $75,000. I think that becomes more manageable should you strike out and not earn a decent salary after law school. That's what I did but I also kind of regret not going at a younger age.
  24. 2 points
    This is super important. I didn't have any luck during the formal recruit. But once I started beefing up my extra curriculars my phone wouldn't stop ringing. The includes mooting, clinic work, pro bono work, and any sort of practical internships you can get your hands on. I had something like 23 interviews outside of the formal recruit and leading up to graduation (around like march to june). Fun fact: part of the reason the number kept getting higher was because I never ended up articling at any of those firms. But I did eventually get a phenomenal articling position at where I am currently and couldn't be happier.
  25. 2 points
    First, you're more likely to spill something on your suit than rip it. And if you have a dark navy or charcoal suit, probably won't be a huge issue unless you spill something that glows. You can always order a rush weekend dry clean job if needed. Second, in my many years of suit-wearing, I've never once significantly ripped a suit. A button fell off once leaving a very smallish hole that I couldn't self-tailor, but it wasn't hard to find a tailor who could patch it up in an hour. Third, as a summer student, you aren't dealing with a circumstance where ripping your only suit is an actual emergency. As in, where you have to attend court in an hour or your client is coming in for an urgent and sensitive meeting, but a rabid dog tore your pants on the walk to work and all of a sudden your underwear is showing (also, unless an extra suit is always kept in the office, that's a problem anyone would have to fend with). Just keep a backup pair of dress pants in your office, and realize that nobody is going to reprimand you because you aren't writing your limitation period memo in your full suit jacket and pants. One suit is fine for law students. Two is better, but barely necessary.
  26. 2 points
    Is this thread on the polar opposite of the spectrum of those who feel imposter syndrome?
  27. 2 points
    I'm in the happy situation that if I run into people who are better than me at something I can try to hire / retain / include them in what ever I am doing.
  28. 2 points
    My guess is that Osgoode student was in the international law intensive.
  29. 2 points
    Different offices might differ. I recall a case summary, substantive questions with a few minutes to prep, and a panel interview with two counsel. It was in stages, they took me to meet the director, etc after for a second interview. This was CLOC
  30. 2 points
    When feeling bored or aimless, it never hurts to reread this fantastic post by Uriel:
  31. 2 points
    I'm at a DT Toronto firm and I haven't found that it matters. I have both heels and flats in my office and really just wear whatever I feel like.
  32. 2 points
    I don't wear my heels very often, and I would say its a pretty even split among the lawyers in my area who wear heels and who wear flats with their suits. I am in Alberta.
  33. 2 points
    Firstly, congratulations for making it this far with Queen's and Ottawa -- hopefully they have some more movement this summer. Secondly, I applied to law schools over two cycles and fortunately received admission into several schools this time around. I personally doubt they compared both personal statements -- this would be a lot of work, may even be repetitive, and if they did not accept you the year before you've given them enough reason not to re-read the older one. I also don't think it is a soft factor that you made the waitlist the year before (to answer AZBrick). But I may be wrong here because I am only relying on reasonable assumption so maybe someone from an admissions committee can chime in here. Thirdly, in terms of advice on restructuring your PS, I would recommend the following three step process: 1. Talk about an extraordinary skill. Answer why you stand out compared to others/what skills do you have that would be extremely valuable to the law school you're applying to, if selected. 2. Demonstrate how you possess this skill by also referencing any achievements that came as a result of it. Now you have the opportunity to tie in your sketch and give it further context through your PS. 3. If possible, tie this skill/experience in with a particular opportunity at the law school you're tailoring your PS to showcase how it applies in a new environment (whether its a clinic -- for example, the ALRI at UofA is unique in Canada; a group of professors you share research interests with/or a specialization that is available at the school - maybe its Marine and Environmental Law at Dalhousie; a selection of courses that are only available to that school -- for example, Western and Ottawa have an extensive list of IPIT courses that some/most other schools don't have, etc.). Remember, each school has something unique about it that will intrigue you. In return, you should try to sell your skill set and clearly describe your 'fit' with the school. And repeat, if space is available. In terms of starting the PS, just introduce yourself in terms of what universities you went to (including transfers, postgrad, etc), any high distinction awards/accolades you may have graduated with, your L2 or L3 if they're strong, etc. Something brief. In terms of your struggles, the only advice I have is to mention them and then follow up by answering how you overcame them. Hope that helps.
  34. 2 points
  35. 2 points
    Considering the number of Canadian graduates of foreign medical and law schools I've personally encountered that have returned to live, unemployed, in their parents' basement, I can't believe banks were willing to extend these loans at all.
  36. 2 points
    Hmm. I don't have useful suggestions for the OP regarding credit, and he's made a very reasonable request that we not get into his choice of law school at this point, so I won't. But I do find it interesting that banks are pulling back from providing credit to students who want to study in foreign law schools. There's a certain intelligence in the marketplace that responds to trends and patterns. Scotiabank doesn't care where you spend your money, as long as they feel they are reliably going to get it back. If they aren't funding foreign legal study any more (is that just law schools, or also a more general policy shift?) it's because some pattern they've identified suggests that students paying back those loans has become too risky. And that's information people should pay attention to.
  37. 2 points
    Sounds like Scotiabank really really wants law students' business. They seem really aggressive with their marketing for the PSLOC and perks. Far and away the best standard package you can get as a law student in Canada.
  38. 2 points
    The truth is you have few other options. $75k debt is your cost of entry into the profession you want to be in. Mine was higher, but hey. It's ridiculous imo that so many new lawyers now start out so far behind the eight ball because of rising tuition costs, but the alternative is foregoing practicing law altogether, or spending years working to save and hoping tuition doesn't keep increasing. And that's assuming you have a job that pays you enough to make a dent in the total cost of schooling after a year or so. It's also true that so much debt brings your other life goals to a stand still. However, if you can minimize your costs while maximizing your income, (think living at home with parents rent free while working a Bay Street gig) you'll be able to make short work of that much debt in no time. Suffice to say, that isn't most of us. We don't all work on Bay Street, and most of us have to pay rent or have a mortgage and some of us have more obligations than that. Ultimately, I would say that $75k shouldn't stop you from going to law school if you can secure the funds to pay for it. For one thing, law students tend to be young and single - which translates into fewer financial obligations coming out of school. And even if this first part isn't true for you, the income potential over the course of the typical legal career tends to more than make up for the initial investment. It's not an absolute guarantee however, but it tends to work out more times than not. Now, if you wanted to go into teaching ...
  39. 2 points
    $75,000 is a manageable amount of debt, in my opinion. But it's also still a lot of debt. Figure out what the monthly payments will be, what kind of job you are aspiring to, and the starting salary for said job. That should give you at least an idea of what's reasonable for you. Of course, things change. You could end up in big law, where your debt load will feel pretty insignificant compared to your future earnings. Or you could end up articling for free with no prospect of a hire back, in which case the debt load could be crushing until you establish yourself. If it makes you feel any better, I was in similar position as you and law school turned out to be very good investment for me.
  40. 2 points
    Each year at Dal, they gathered us in the atrium and offered everyone who wasn't interviewed by either Stikeman Elliott or an appellate court near the Laurentian river as a sacrifice to the ghost of JSD Tory. This helped ensure that school's recruiting numbers stayed high. I only escaped by hiding in the basement under a fort made of old McGill guides and feeding on scraps that fell from wine and cheese events above. Needless to say, 2L and 3L grades felt functionally meaningless, given that the only two options were (1) a life of work on Bay St. following your first year of law school or (2) literal death.
  41. 2 points
    http://ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ultra-Vires-Toronto-Summer-2019-Recruitment-Special.pdf (p.6-7) Fewer than 40 students out of 250 land at Biglaw firms from Windsor every year. Take from that what you will. You also make a lot of assumptions in your post about the "difficulty" level of Windsor. It's law school. Your undergraduate stats are irrelevant once you get to law school. I had exceptional stats in undergrad (much higher than your own) and people who barely scraped their way into law school did better than me academically. Never presume to know how you will perform in law school before you have even stepped foot in there.
  42. 2 points
    People having to fight for where you are does not negate how you feel. Its not a comparison to others or being ungrateful; I can understand that. What I see reading that is you are feeling the very real impact of burnout when you have been I school a long time and are not yet finished. Further the vision you have had of what it would be has been fundamentally changed. That is a hard transition. It wont stay that way either. And on the odd chance it does, the skill set and credential you have will lead to many opportunities that done have to involve law. Those decisions will be made in time and in due course. For now, its about upping your coping skills that have been exhausted. Find a way of giving yourself a break and do something you feel you have been missing out on. Exercise really helps this, even if you have never been active. Your summer position may not be the most invigorating role either. But the end is near and with any luck, the incredible investment you have made in yourself, will lead to some choices for work and you will select which path you want to pursue then. Finding the joy when it has been lost can be hard. Breathe. Relax. Regroup. Repeat. Get some perspective again and you will find the light at the end of your tunnel. Whatever that means for you.
  43. 2 points
    I'm pulling from real life examples here so it appears that for a few people (and thank God it's really just a few) this advice is necessary, so here goes - My best advice is this: know your place. Especially in court, where you will be at the bottom of everyone's list. Every year some articled student gets worked up and thinks they are being tested or disrespected in some way. They act up. It's a mistake. Some time ago a student actually complained to the judge on the record that the wait for their file had taken half the morning (which is still how long I wait on occasion, depending on who is ahead of me). The judge was unimpressed and the story got around. You don't want to be the subject of a story like that. If there is actually a problem, you deal with it politely and quietly, and then you go to your principle and explain what happened. If there's a reason to intervene or make a phone call to correct an issue or tell some one else off, your principle will do it. Not you. Never you. Speaking of stories - here's my second best advice: keep your stories to yourself. You have no idea who are you are speaking to. You have no idea of the loyalties and disputes between colleagues that have been perculating for years before you showed up. You might think you're telling a harmless funny tale about some random judge. What you don't know is you just insulted some one's uncle, and they're too polite to tell you - but they are going to remember you as an indiscreet gossip-mongering jerk who has no concept of respect for their peers or their betters. Needless to say, if you hear something really really juicy about a colleague - say something about addiction or infidelity or whatever - just shut up about it. I don't remember stories I hear about other people anywhere near as well as I remember who was indiscreet enough to repeat them. And for God's sake do not gossip about the inner workings of your office. If asked, play dumb or deflect. To you, the bar is this great big group of unknown, random people. Within about two years you're going to realize it's a giant web and most of the people in it are connected. Either they went to school together, or they were on a case together, or they work on the same committee, or they're related, or they have some other connection that has established a relationship. You are the newcomer. Eventually you will make space for yourself and you will belong. But while you are new, know your place - and keep your mouth shut. * The flip side to the above is that articled students who are respectful and discreet really stand out. They're more interested in being professionals than anything else. Those people get noticed just because they give the impression that there's no risk that they wil embarrass an office or a colleague. They appear to be focused on the actual work without the distractions of ego or gossip. In short, they come across as adults. It's much much easier to work with and refer cases to that kind of person. They earn a reputation for the right things.
  44. 1 point
    I don't know that I would call what I've experienced as boredom, but I have definitely experienced feelings of aimlessness. As you've alluded to, when you're in school, there are generally structured or obvious achievements and milestones that you are working towards (making honour roll, getting into law school, passing bar exams, securing an articling position). Since finishing articling and moving into practice, I've found myself asking, "What now?". Not that there aren't things to work towards - it's just now I have to get more creative and self-reflective in determining what these goals are. In addition to thinking about long-term career objectives , I've found it helpful to set attainable, short-term objectives that I can work towards and get a sense of satisfaction from completing.
  45. 1 point
    The U of A bookstore will typically tell you what books you need, but I'd highly recommend waiting until after Foundations to buy your books! Your profs will tell you all about the books in your first classes with them and they will let you know if older versions are available.
  46. 1 point
    I feel all of your pain, it's frustrating. I feel pretty defeated but it only shows to me that there's more work I need to do. So I'm being proactive and taking summer courses and working on my personal statements for next year already. If you have the time, go ahead and start on it. If you feel like studying and taking the LSAT again will help you, go ahead and start on that. Knowing that you can begin working on things in your control may make you feel a bit better. I know it has been for me. Time is the biggest element but it need not feel so long between now and next cycle if you immerse yourself in things you have to do to make yourself more competitive, whatever that may be. Remember, if law school is all that we as applicants make it out to be, this career will hopefully last us for the rest of our lives. What's one more year? As someone who has just turned 28, I feel this the most, but its also the best advice I need to hear.
  47. 1 point
    This thread is 15 years old...
  48. 1 point
    Accepted this morning! CGPA: 3.73 LSAT: 154
  49. 1 point
    I updated a old index with 19 other people. We split the work, then emailed it to one person who compiled it and sent out the updated version to everyone. It worked out really well for me, and I would recommend it. Making your own index is incredibly time consuming, and not at all worth it (in my opinion). I personally found doing practice tests to be the most helpful. It gave me a chance to practice using my index and finding the relevant section in the material. While I read and highlighted every section of the materials (minus the Rules and Bylaws), I don't think that mastering the material and memorizing the content is the most useful. What's actually important is being able to find the answers in the material quickly. However, reading and highlighting the material will make you more familiar with the broad ideas, which will also make it easier to know what to look for. In my opinion, there are two very important tools needed for this exam: 1) A detailed index organized in a way that makes sense to you. After writing and passing both exams, I can confidently say that a detailed, easily navigable index is the most important tool you'll use. If the key terms in the index aren't listed in a way that is intuitive to you, you're going to have a very difficult time finding the answers during the exam. For example, when I read a question such as: "Bob's client refuses to pay him, and Bob doesn't want to represent them anymore. What should Bob do?" my thought process is to look for, "withdrawal from representation - non-payment," in my index. If the index I'm using doesn't have the page reference listed under this keyword prompt, then I'm going to have a problem. I hope that made sense. The problem with using 'inherited' indices is sometimes the person who made/updated it has a different thought process than you, so things are listed under keyword prompts that aren't intuitive to you. Use an index that works for you. 2) A time tracking sheet. I'm pretty sure the same excel doc has been passed around over and over. (I saw at least 20 other people with it at the exams). It's basically a chart that lists what question you should be on if you have x amount of time remaining. If you don't know someone who already has it, just make your own, it's not hard. Allot 90 secs per question, and work on the assumption that there's 120 questions. Every few questions or so, check the sheet. If you're behind by more than 5 questions, pick up the pace. If you're ahead, then you know you can afford to spend a little extra time on that hard question that's stumping you. Above all, try not to stress too much. You got this! You didn't make it this far out of pure dumb luck. Seek out advice from others about what worked for them, but in the end, do what best matches your learning/studying style.
  50. 1 point
    MarkNewman and Johnn, if you want to talk to yourself, please do so offline. And as a reminder to everyone else, only one account is permitted here. Let's get this back to discussing acceptances. Period.
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