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  1. 42 points
    I’ll be working on an assignment and suddenly find myself on the 6th page reading admissions from 2017 to a school I didn’t apply to ??
  2. 30 points
    Listen, law is a profession, not just a job. It's also a profession that relies heavily on old fashioned ideals like honour and integrity and ethics. We are one of the few professions where you're held to a high standard of behaviour all the time - in court/office and out - and can be expelled from the group and have your license pulled simply because you don't measure up as a person. Being a lawyer means you have tremendous social capital. You can walk into almost any situation and people are going to assume you're educated, intelligent, and careful. Your presence or absence from a situation or enterprise can act as a bellweather for others: if you, a lawyer, join this board/group/rally, it means something. (If you refuse, often it also means something.) In other words your judgment is respected and valued and you can open and close doors with it without even opening your mouth. The profession itself teaches you a lot of transferrable skills that can come in handy elsewhere. Law school teaches future lawyers and the articling process trains them to be lawyers. But lots of lawyers go into politics, into business, into advising, and cease to practise law but make use of the contacts and skills they built while they were counsel. Lawyers have a lot of power. I can walk into a courtroom and assert anything and the court is going to believe me because I am an Officer Of The Court and that means my word is taken at face value unless there's evidence proving I'm full of shit. So I can make submissions to a judge, and the judge will accept them outright, when a judge will almost always take a civilian's input with a grain of salt barring some other corroboration. So I had better know what I'm talking about. This is why lawyers are held to such a high standard; this is why a breach of ethics or a lack of integrity can cost us our license. It's an honour system. I think it's a fine and ancient profession, as things go, and I'm proud to be part of it. But as the man said, with great power comes great responsibility. You have to be a good person, a hard worker, an avid student first.
  3. 28 points
    As someone that has done exactly what you're all doing, and I know this is easier said than done, but try not to. For the Ontario schools at least, you've submitted everything (barring another LSAT attempt). There's nothing else to do. Checking here, refreshing OLSAS, anxiously awaiting someone to finally post in an Accepted 2021 thread, none of this is helpful. You applied to law school, and you probably applied because you think you have at least a reasonable chance. That puts you ahead of a lot of people that thought about applying and ultimately didn't because of their GPA or LSAT or for some other reason. You've worked hard, you've come a long way, and it's out of your hands now. Enjoy your holidays. Focus on work or school or whatever it might be that you have in your life right now. Even just reduce your checking to once a day, or once every other day. Tabbing out of your assignments to check something that you already kind of know hasn't changed doesn't do you any good. Besides, if you do refresh and see other people getting accepted but you haven't gotten any updates, is that likely to be helpful or harmful to your immediate state of mind? Will you easily be able to return to what you were doing before? Someone else said this on the forum but it stuck with me so I'll repeat it: the nature of law is that you're always waiting for something, and that something is usually already out of your control. Whether it be your acceptance now, or your first set of exam grades back, or news about a job application, or the result of a negotiation or a case verdict or whatever it might be, you're always going to be waiting for something. Enjoy your holidays. Focus on what's still in your control. When the schools have news for you, they'll let you know! Sincerely, Someone who refreshed here and OLSAS too, sometimes three times a day, and didn't get in any quicker because of it.
  4. 27 points
    You should all bookmark this thread and come back in 3-4 years and see whether your plans have changed.
  5. 23 points
    So excited to start this thread!! Just got the call about 10 minutes ago - I'm in! For those wondering, I my GPA is 4.0/4.3 and LSAT is 170. Also got a scholarship offer which I'm super excited about! Sending good vibes to you all!!
  6. 20 points
  7. 20 points
    You don't see the value in being surrounded by diverse cultural perspectives, while at the same time having a decent cohort of people who share your ethnic experiences? May I hazard a guess and say you're white and have had the privilege of being surrounded by people who look like you in nearly every environment you've entered?
  8. 18 points
    This thread was going to go off the rails the moment @exocytosis646 started a second account to post it.
  9. 17 points
    I typically don't entertain these kinds of comments, but just to help this kid out a bit... 1) Medical school don't care what you did your undergrad in. There are people with arts and business degrees that get into medical school (do a LinkedIn search). 2) An undergraduate science degree is just as impractical in the job market as an arts degree. In fact, there are more ways to sell an arts degree for entry-level jobs than a biochemistry degree. Skills like writing and communication can be marketed for a lot of jobs. I know lots of people working in marketing, human resources, and public relations divisions of major corporations and technology companies with an arts degree (some even have college diplomas in public relations, communications, etc.). 3) Just as your friend group changed in high school from elementary school, and in university from high school, it will continue to evolve as you progress through different stages in life. I've had friends with similar mentalities as you before and I am not friends with them anymore. I would not want to be your friend now. But maybe I would want to be your friend 10 years later. People change. Friend groups change. Your degree doesn't change. Decisions you make now will have long-term consequences on your future. Make smart decisions because you don't want to be that person who doesn't get into their dream school or job, then goes around complaining that it is because you went to a more challenging school or did a harder degree. No one will care. 4) Regarding the cultural values regarding various degree programs in your home country, I highly doubt it is as black and white as you paint it. Even so, you are in Canada now. Are you planning on returning to your home country for further education or your career? If not, and you plan on remaining in Canada for further studies and to make a life here, then you need to become accustomed to Canadian values. We don't give a hoot here what people did their undergraduate degree in, or really, what they studied at all. We give respect based on how people treat us and others around them. At least, that is how adults think with some emotional intelligence think. A university degree from Canada is nothing to mock and is respected by most of the world. 5) As for family values and perspectives, this is a fair concern among many young people, but your parents and extended relatives are not living your life. After a point in time, your parents will not continue to financially support you unless you are from a very wealthy background. So, what your parents, relatives, or community think you should do, should not be your main concern right now. Their opinions will also change as they receive more information, and as you progress through your education and career. Your main concern should be what YOU can do to maximize your chances of achieving your own goals and live the life that you aspire to. In your case, you say that you want to go to medical school or law school. For these goals, admissions committees and Canadian schools do not care where or what you did your undergraduate degree in. This is the simple truth. You need to work on your emotional intelligence. A lack of emotional intelligence and character will cripple you in law school/medical school and future adulthood. It doesn't matter how academically intelligent you think you are. If you don't possess any street smarts or emotional intelligence, you won't make it very far in your career and your personal life. Work on that. All the best.
  10. 16 points
    Accepted this morning by email! L2: 3.46 LSAT: 168 I thought I had pretty average ECs and a decent PS. Shocked to have heard from them so early given my GPA, but I'm beyond excited!
  11. 16 points
    Because as a person of color, I feel more comfortable in places, where Im not the only brown person. This is 2020 mate, diversity is extremely important to me.
  12. 16 points
    There is no reason for you to be here. You are far from even needing to think about law school. Work hard at school, get good grades, build your resume with as much co-ops, extra-curriculars and jobs as you can. You're a first year undergrad, it is not productive or healthy to have family discussions of your future right now. You are not "switching professions", you are not pre-med, you are not pre-law. Stop thinking about your current studies as a precursor; focus on the present.
  13. 15 points
    Ya'll are just flexing at this point 😂
  14. 14 points
    Just got the call! 87% and 176
  15. 14 points
    Did you ever consider that you are 10 times worse at biochem
  16. 13 points
  17. 13 points
    Typically, in past cycles anyway, the combination of a high LSAT and a high CGPA will be the apps that receive the very first offers. These should likely go out sometime next week, if previous timelines are an indication. This would mean that Osgoode has all apps by now, and has sorted the very top candidates already. There was a year, maybe two or three ago, where the first offers were out in mid-November but that clearly isn't the norm. Don't rely on the In Queue designation. Some will be accepted without ever being in queue; some will be in queue for a day or a week; some will be in queue for months. Ryn posted this last year and I'll add it here: "I say this every year but that never seems to stop the speculation. As far as I or anyone knows, when you get into queue has no bearing on when you receive an offer (if you get one at all)..." Patience, people!
  18. 13 points
    Ironic that I was complaining about Schulich sending irrelevant emails just the other day... now they send a very relevant email :)))))))))) Just got an email saying that I'm accepted, felt I should open up this thread.
  19. 13 points
    Omg! No bouquet of roses but I did just get a call! I'm in!!!!!! Congrats to everybody 💜 GPA 4.08/4.33 (self-calculated, with drops) LSAT 166
  20. 13 points
  21. 13 points
    Let me make this very simple and cut through the bullshit. Your definition of "good" money isn't grossly unrealistic as an attainable goal, but it's also far above the average income for most people working most jobs. Start from those two basic facts, and everything else that follows is almost common sense. There are many lawyers who do make that kind of money. There are also practicing lawyers who do not. There are many other examples of jobs where people make similarly good money. Those jobs are also competitive to either obtain or to get into the field at all. I've had a client hoping to become a firefighter and a nephew interested in it as well. Do you have any idea how competitive it really is? I sat down with the officers running a training school and they explained it to me. The jobs that do exist may pay well, but they are very hard to get. Bottom line is this. You are hoping for an income that is far above average, and you're looking for a guaranteed way to get it. If there was some guaranteed way to do that, a lot more people would be doing it. Obviously. So the only intelligent answer is this. It's possible to meet your goals in law. There's no guarantee that you will. It's possible to meet them elsewhere too. Again, no guarantees. So do what you're most motivated to do well and excel at. Every other answer is bullshit, including your own instinct to keep looking for some lock-in guarantee. Good luck.
  22. 13 points
    I know that it’s super early in the cycle, but I’m feeling pretty obsessive with checking statuses and going over possible scenarios in my head. All the applications are in on my end, so I guess it’s me trying to take some sort of control. Anybody else feeling this? How’s everyone hanging in there so far?
  23. 13 points
  24. 13 points
    We're a neurotic Type-A bunch lol. Any bit of info will be thoroughly analyzed until we can use our pre-law big brains to deduce what it means.
  25. 13 points
    Just to clarify, your mother thinks it's easier to get at job in teaching than in law? She is aware of the massive teaching jobs crisis, right? Also, easier to get a job relative to what? Nowadays, the only degrees that ~95% guarantee a job are medicine and software engineering. Pharmacy, optometry, law, biomedical sciences, accounting, financial analyst, architect, chemical engineering: everything that would be an auto-lock 30 years ago is not a lock anymore. And tell her the reality that like 95% of "pre-meds" face: not getting into med school, and having to do a PhD, which may have even worse employment prospects, or being a lab slave at near min wage for a decade before getting anywhere. Not telling you to absolutely do law school, but this doom and gloom I see in every profession is stupid. The grass is constantly greener on the other side, and people haven't realize that 95% of the lawn's been on fire for the last 2 decades.
  26. 12 points
    Hi guys! I applied to every law school in Canada and even a few schools that don’t have law schools just to be safe! My B3/L2 and cgpa are all equal and I’m worried this is going to effect my chances! I also stubbed my toe once in second year so I’m applying access where applicable! This is the state of posts lately. Get it together gang.
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  29. 12 points
    Shocked that in 2020 this is still a question being asked. I could wager a(n educated) guess as to why being in a diverse community and being around other brown people would be important to OP, but I also don't see why we'd need that question answered regardless? True enough but I think that's important to many people. As a woman I wouldn't want to work at a firm where I am the only female. We all have our reasons for sifting out various firms. Some people only want to work on Bay street, some only want to work for a firm with reasonable working hours, some only want to work for a firm that actively seeks to have a diverse workforce.
  30. 12 points
    Why are posters conflating fine arts with arts courses? Fine Arts courses are very different than "Arts" courses. Social science courses are different than humanities courses, which are different than the "light" sciences, which are different than "hard sciences" which are different than law school, which is really the only relevant schooling as Canadian schools don't really give AF (the expression is "AF" not "asf"). Second, most fine arts courses are not available to non fine arts students so it's very doubtful that a STEM student has taken fine arts courses. Third, fine arts courses at the undergrad level are basically near-professional studies. As in, my photography thesis was essentially gallery ready at the end, with high level critiques and was nearly a full-time job. But, at the end of the day, I circle back to the point of "Canadian law schools don't give AF about your degree", with the exception of some civil schools, and U of T to a certain extent. Fourth, the poster is the same kid who was struggling to understand Ryerson's guidelines. Any future person that wants to troll with a "muh degree is special" should be catapulted.
  31. 12 points
    Being this far into the thread I would just like to say that for everyone who has a dream school I hope you achieve it And for my fellow 0Ls with no clue, I hope the decision you end up being able to make exceeds your expectations and you never have any second thoughts
  32. 12 points
  33. 12 points
    I look forward to finding out which is greater: 5% of ls.ca's global revenue or $25m. (see: s.125(a))
  34. 11 points
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  36. 11 points
    1L grades are the most important grades you can ever get in your life. No joke. It will determine which jobs/clerkships you are competitive for and shape your legal career moving forward. Average or below average grades in 1L start closing doors. No pressure, bud. Good luck.
  37. 11 points
    OP: "hey know any law schools that have people from my background?" really smart lawyers, law school students & applicants: "why do you want to start a race war?" 🙃
  38. 11 points
    This is the 13th thread you've created about this grand plan of yours in the span of four days. You're planning to apply in two years, so right now, you don't have any final grades and aren't close to taking the LSAT. You're wasting everyone's time.
  39. 11 points
    Ahaha. All the questions are about fit, and that's the one that's hardest to talk about, and least generalizable. But if that's what folks want to know, I'll take a stab: My experience is atypical because I didn't come here because I wanted to, per se. My partner was applying to programs in another field at the same time as me, so we were weighing options together. In addition, we have a little guy, and we wanted him to be somewhere "nice" where there would be lots to do, and where his grandparents would be inclined to visit. Victoria satisfies all those latter requirements, and more crucially, the program my partner got admitted to here was by far her #1. So, here we are. I have always thought of myself as a little bit progressive - just left of centre- but these terms are relative. In Alberta I would have been considered far-left, and I had people call me a communist for voting Liberal. Now that I'm here, without having changed, I'm suddenly, apparently, hard-right. It's... awkward, because I don't see myself that way, but again, here we are. I feel really uncomfortable walking around in a city covered in anti-police and anti-Canadian-state graffiti. I think "unwelcome" is the best word. I'm not claiming to feel unsafe or anything, but yeah, unwelcome. That ethos is present in the class and, to a slightly more nuanced degree, the faculty. I'm not saying people aren't nice; they still are, for sure. But the progressive groupthink is, from my perspective, intense and impenetrable. I am a non-confrontational person who likes to get along with everyone. The only way I can do so is to hold my tongue, unfortunately. Again, not claiming that people have actually individually been disrespectful to me, it's more that the academic climate as a whole is just not very hospitable to anyone right-of-green-party. The thing is, very little of the above would likely apply to anyone reading this thread, so I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from coming here. If you want to defund police, dismantle the Canadian state, and stop all resource extraction of any kind, then this is the law school for you. These themes are strongly embraced by the student body, and faculty will raise them in all courses. All I would say is: please remember that not all of your eventual clients are likely to feel that way, and it behooves you ethically - at least in my opinion - to treat with respect all those who may see the world differently than you do! -GM PS Hopefully another 1L (who is actually a better fit here) will post something positive about this from the other side!
  40. 11 points
    I will share my 1L experience and hopefully it resonates with you. My first ever graded assignment in law school was a Legal Research and Writing case summary worth around 20%. I got an LP (at U of T, it's the lowest grade you can get, aside form literally failing) and the instructor had a PowerPoint showing the grade distribution of that assignment and only two people in that class had an LP. After marks were distributed, people started complaining about their grades (which were obviously higher than mine), which did not make me feel good. I was not only disappointed with my mark, but I was embarrassed. Like who actually gets the discretionary bad grade? So I kept my grade to myself and did not tell anyone about it...but then a classmate noticed me being quiet and assumed I was keeping to myself because I was trying to be humble about the "good mark" I got. Yeah, talk about imposter syndrome. That was probably the worst. It was pretty depressing. However, I found that having non-law school friends to confide in helped. They reminded me that even though I did not feel the best about myself, I still had things to be proud of. They gave me perspective. I know this is not profound, but I think what would help would be to talk about your feelings to close friends and seek out support through those channels. Another piece of advice I have is to not give up on yourself. The most important thing right now is that you just have to keep on trying. Even if I thought you were not cut out for law school (which I don't - I will roll my eyes at anyone who thinks that doing well/poorly on a first assignment is a sign of future success/failure), it is still way too early to give up. That one assignment does not define your abilities. It literally does not. Instead, what you need to take away from this is the acceptance that there will be ups and there will be downs. You're currently disappointed, but maybe on your next assignment you will surprise yourself in a good way. For me, I received the equivalent of a B+ on the following Legal Research and Writing assignment and I ultimately finished 1L with first semester grades that were good enough for 1L interviews. Ups and downs.
  41. 11 points
    This is really not fair or accurate, especially divorced from context. As in, what does someone mean when they say "shit ton?" If someone said they want to be wealthy by age 35 and never work again, I'd say (a) that's an unlikely goal in any profession, and (b) to whatever extent anyone is able to aim for that, you're better off trying to launch a tech start-up in the hope it catches fire than working in law. I'll agree that far. But for many people, especially allowing for where they come from and/or are right now, wanting to make money in law may well simply mean wanting to own a house, be able to afford vacations (time off is another issue entirely), send kids to summer camp without agonizing over exactly how many weeks they can afford, etc. And by that standard, law is a very good profession in relation to those goals. Speaking as someone who does not come from money, and who is in fact successfully entrepreneurial in my practice, I cannot easily imagine other paths where I would be as comfortable as I am now. I mean, sure, if I sprinkle in a huge helping of luck, maybe I could be a C-level officer at an up-and-coming corporation somewhere. Maybe if I'd learned investment banking I'd be really good at it. Who the hell knows. But I know as compared to most of my peers I'm doing really well. That much is obvious. I also discourage people away from an exaggerated and unrealistic view of what money looks like in legal practice. But you jumped the gun here. In simple terms, law may not be a good choice to grab the best odds of getting genuinely "rich" - which are low odds in any event. But it has some of the best odds of being comfortable. And until you know what someone's life and perspective looks like presently, you can't dismiss that.
  42. 11 points
    I try not to think/worry about situations I have no control over so I'm totally relaxed. I've submitted my applications, wrote the PS to the best of my abilities and rewrote the November LSAT. If God wants me to attend law school, I'll be there. If not, nothing I do will change that so 🤷‍♂️🤣
  43. 11 points
    Thanks, everyone for your input. In summary, I should stop worrying about what I am going to be and just concentrate on the present. I have brown parents and they just want to know what I am going to be and maybe that is why I am so anxious over it. Who knows maybe in the future I will become something that I was never intending to become as long as I enjoy what I am doing then it’s all good. The next time I visit this site is when I am going to write the LSAT or have questions about it. Other than that I am going to keep an open mind. Thanks @Mal for putting things into perspective. Oscar is my favourite character from sesame street.
  44. 10 points
    When I went to UBC I fantasized about living in West Vancouver, owning a boat, and making this commute every day:
  45. 10 points
    I just got the call!! No mention of a scholarship so don't think I got one, if anyone is curious GPA: 3.86 on the 4.0 scale at UofT, 86% overall average, without drops, no idea what my GPA is on UVic's scale, probably 4/4.3? LSAT: 166 This is the only school I applied to so I was so excited to hear back see y'all there in September
  46. 10 points
    Dear 1L students struggling with a subject: MAKE USE OF OFFICE HOURS. If you don't get a concept, don't google it or complain to your friends that it's so hard or make jokes about it or whatever. Don't give up and pray for a B. Go directly to the prof and say "I am having trouble with this concept." Be serious about your education. If you are anything like I was, you have never approached a professor for help in your life because you were always a Great Student. Well, now the odds are excellent that you are simply an Avergage Student among all the other great undergraduate students in your classes. Time to seize any advantage you can. Go talk to your profs. Ask for help. It will make a difference.
  47. 10 points
    I have no idea if it is "worth" it for you to become a lawyer. However, I can provide you with a bit of perspective. A lot of the clients I work with who have what I will call a "regular office job" and make between $60 000 - $120 000 a year are regularly sending me emails into the wee hours of the night and on Sunday evenings. Unfortunately, the 9-5 is disappearing from a lot of workplaces regardless of compensation. In contrast, in my job I am not often finding myself working into the wee hours of the night or putting in solid days on the weekends and my compensation fits within your desired range. Another anecdote, one of my friends became a research analyst after their Master's at some marketing company where they made $60 k a year. They were regularly given "on my desk tomorrow morning" assignments at 6:00 pm and would therefore find themselves at the office until 2 am. I think that you hear cautionary tales MORE in law and LESS in other fields simply by virtue of the fact that "regular office job" employees 1) don't get together and make online forums to discuss their issues, and 2) undergrad students and law students tend to "network" with lawyers and get the feedback "being a lawyer is the worst, the hours are ridiculous" whereas undergrad students are not reaching out to civil servants/research analysts/insert other job where you send a lot of emails from your desk and asking them "hey how much do you make/what are your hours/would you recommend your job". Good luck with your decision.
  48. 10 points
    There have been a lot of threads with questions about how this year will be different, whether the number of applications are up and thus acceptance standards are higher, etc. I understand the anxiety around this process, but these are things you can't control, so try your best not to lose any time worrying about them. It's perfectly normal to ask about re-writing the LSAT, taking an extra year, how to improve a personal statement, etc - those are the things you have personal responsibility over. But as much as possible, try not to think about the stuff that is completely out of your hands. Either you'll get in or won't based on what you submitted - you can't change the competition pool or the number of students that the schools are accepting. Until you get that acceptance letter, continue doing what you can in the day to day to improve your current situation, regardless of if law school works out. Don't live your life as if you've been accepted until it happens, even if your stats are 4.0/175. Edit: Rereading this post, it feels a bit like I'm grandstanding. But I'm writing from my own experience where I had the exact same stresses throughout my application process three years ago. I still sometimes get anxious over things I can't control but it's something that I've fought hard against and feel much better about these days!
  49. 10 points
    Ask for a Word copy from the other side. Unless they're solicitor for a bank, where they may not have a Word copy, it's common courtesy to provide a Word version (I mean, it should be the default, but I've had some people send me PDFs of documents we're still negotiating -- ugh). If they refuse then: (1) you know they're an asshole; and (2) just convert it to Word and mark it up.
  50. 10 points
    Law students are such size queens
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