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  2. probably because you're an extroverted/not awkward person! Just confirms that everyone else is fitting in! But thanks for your input. I really appreciate that. I'll try to think about how there's probably one other person that feels this way. Thank you! I wish you were in my cohort, as I feel the whole process is very draining without friends. Thanks to everyone that has a written in the thread--I really appreciate everyone's advice. Today I felt a lot better knowing other people are experiencing this and that it is a general tone of law school to be like a high school. At least it isn't just me. Feeling more positive already!
  3. Better call up Rick Singer and see if he can get you on the varsity soccer team, his fees are high though Jokes aside - try working for a few years and applying as a mature student, might help!
  4. It’s a 3.17 if I drop 25% of my lowest grades
  5. Can you confirm what firms are following this protocol and what city? Trying to figure out what is going on
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  7. Just bumping this thread with an update. With OCIs mostly completed, calls have begun going out to Non-OCI schools for video conference interviews, etc. I have received emails from 3 firms thus far, and have had a fourth confirm that they continue this process until the 30th of September. Hope the process is going well for everyone!
  8. What are your GPA if you drop your lowest grades? Many law schools, such as UNB, Manitoba and UVic, will drop up to 25% of your lowest grades from the GPA calculation, which could inflate your GPA to make you more competitive.
  9. I think you'll need a 170+ to be competitive just about anywhere.
  10. Shot in the dark without a stellar LSAT. You're GPA is definitely not competitive.
  11. What is the UofT average for OCIs received? ALso, is it harder to get an OCI interview slot at UofT than at a different law school since firms will only interview 40-60 students and its harder to stand out as the top 40 or 60 at UofT than it is at some other law schools. Do law firms interview less at other places? Also how is everyone preparing for interviews? Upper-years? Should you ask people in your year to practice interview with? Ask Upper-years that went through the process? CDO?
  12. Thanks! I have heard some stuff about alternates that I am not sure if to believe where my peers have made inferences from the fact that you were ranked like 61st at the firm at your school that hires 25 in total. But I plan on giving it my best shot regardless what my peer thinks and have said
  13. I’ve been thinking of applying to law school in the upcoming admission cycle for the past few days as I feel that it would be a good fit for me. However my cGPA is a 2.8 with my L2 being 3.15. I did a BSc. Geology at the U of C (both my folks are in oil & gas and suggested I do something related-didn’t care much for it), which is considered a pretty tough degree there. I have the resources and the time to invest into getting a great LSAT score which I have yet to write (planning on writing it in November) although I’m a bit hesitant to do so given my gpa. For my extracurriculars, I have worked alongside my whole university career at a managerial position, as well as started my own business a few years back (which I dissolved to focus on school), and I have also volunteered at hospitals in the past, currently I volunteer at the homeless Centre once a week. What would my chances be of being accepted into a Canadian law school? (I’m open to any of them, really).
  14. I'm at UofA too, and I was going to jump in here saying SIT BY ME, I'LL BEFRIEND YOU but I realized I might not be in your cohort. If you ever want to study together though, lmk 👀 I don't have anyone in law school to hang out with either so at the moment I also usually just go straight home after classes. I'm really awkward too, and I spent the first few days of Foundations so anxious I couldn't sleep because I was worrying about impressing people and carrying a conversation and looking a certain way - and as I saw a couple other people say, just about everyone else is worried about that too. Maybe not to our extent, but. I've found so far that to talk to people, you have to be pretty aggressive, which I know is hard to do. I've seen other folks jump in and ask about the readings or how they're finding the prof, and that usually gets the ball rolling, if that helps! I actually haven't had a single conversation that wasn't about school itself, now that I think about it... As someone else said, we've got three whole years ahead of us, and it looks like everyone else has friends already, but truly, that's not the case! In my cohort alone I can think of five people off the top of my head who also tend to sit alone and don't have a group. Find them (me)! Befriend them (me)!
  15. You lose nothing by getting the application in early. If your app is good enough, they'll admit you on a completed application, but if it's not then you won't be rejected with an outstanding test date.
  16. Get them 100k/annum paying jobs without having to study.
  17. I wholeheartedly agree with getting outside of the law bubble. Your friends most definitely do not have to be restricted to law school.
  18. I’m not sure what the IPC is, but I’m assuming something like the LPP, and I’m a big fan of the LPP as a competence training program over articling. An important part of being properly trained is having a breadth of experience drafting various documents and participating in other common events like client meetings, hearings, calls with opposing counsel etc. That breadth of training is not truly regulated into articling and I would guess that many articling students don’t get sufficient training to be competent to go out on their own. In contrast, the LPP can specifically target all of the core competencies to be able to practice, and that’s its actual goal. I’ve articled and spent the first few years of my career on bay, so I’ve seen what incredible training during articling looks like. And, I think it’s probably way better than the LPP for preparing for being an associate in a law firm, but I’m not sure whether or not it’s better for training the lawyers we should really be worried about - the ones who are then immediately going out on their own. Actually, I really suspect it isn’t. If the IPC is, like the LPP, targeted for specific competencies, especially those required as a sole, I’ll feel better with the Ryerson students doing that than the likely low level articling positions that most of them would otherwise be able to obtain.
  19. I have a question for all of you. This isn't in response to any particular post, but rather two general themes on this site. The first theme is a condemnation of the status quo that, at extreme, is along the lines of law school doesn't teach you anything useful, law schools are stuck back in the 1800s, all law schools want to do is maintain the status quo, etc. The second theme is a critique of law schools trying to do things differently. X law school shouldn't require mandatory Indigenous law because that is just virtue signalling, Ryerson's coding and cultural/emotional intelligence bootcamps are stupid, etc. Similarly, when schools try to incorporate more skills-based content into the 1L curriculum (more written assignments instead of just exams or that sort of thing) instead of merely having 100% exams, those assignments attract bitter complaining. I've seen that happen at multiple schools. I find it difficult to reconcile these two themes. So my question for all of you whippersnappers is how would you change the 1L curriculum to fix the first critique but avoid running into the second one?
  20. I also made a bunch of friends in upper years, and that helped me get out of the 1L bubble. Be wary of the recruitment buzz and anxiety going on right now though. I'm all for the suggestion of trying out new clubs, especially non law stuff. Intramurals can help you both get some exercise in and make non law friends, so I'd definitely recommend that. Hang in there! It gets better.
  21. Quebec has an articling term of 6 months. I live here and can safely vouch our legal system is no more on fire than Ontario's.
  22. I am not socially awkward but I did not make a lot of friends in 1L. I found people to be really insecure and loud and desperate to try and act cool, maybe because they were never considered cool before - I don't know. I understand the cliquey vibe, it is not normal. Just know that they are super insecure and trying their "best" to fit in. I had a lot of friends in law school by 3L, people started calming down later on. Just give it time.
  23. It makes me feel better know other people are also in my same boat—thank you for writing in the thread. Thank you so much to everyone that responded—I really appreciate feeling like there is a community I can lean on. I’ll try to implement these strategies into my routine and hopefully things will improve by the end of the fall :)
  24. I have a tech background, so I can say with relative confidence that we are a long way off from being able to automate many of the processes that lawyers do. Natural language processing is one thing, but even that is struggling with a lot of simple concepts. We can make it work on a low level ("oh hey, I see that this email says something was shipped to you, so I'll put it on your calendar" or "I get that you asked me what time it was in a really round-about manner, so I'll say the time I suppose") -- and I'll grant you that even this low level is exceptionally impressive compared to a decade ago. But the kind of analytics required to fully automate things like contract drafting, discovery, writing memos or pleadings, and so on, is quite a ways off. All of those things require nuanced understandings of tons of relevant facts, case law, and critical thinking. AI can superficially make surface-level connections in language, but it is not yet capable of abstract thought, which is what is necessary to automate these things (and many other service professions or knowledge-economy careers). I'd say we're at least two generations away from that, if we'll even see it in our lifetime. It's incredibly difficult to accomplish this with our current level of tech and understanding of the science behind it. I mean, we don't even really know how neural networks work. What I mean by that is, we obviously understand the math behind the concept, but once you train a neural net, the result is so incredibly complex that we don't actually know, to the fine detail, how it's getting the answers it gets. We're just happy that the answers are correct. Now, obviously, no one could have predicted that we'd get so good at even the low-level machine learning stuff we're doing now in such a short period of time. We may be surprised in a decade or so -- maybe we will make leaps and bounds of progress. But while I'm optimistic about the advancement of this kind of tech, I am also a realist, and my sense is that we'll make it there eventually but not for a good long while. Even if we do, there's the human element. Market forces are one thing, but part of the practice of law is dealing with the government, and the government works at its own pace. As others have said, all you need to look at is how "automated" courts are today. Which is to say that they're not. They're like, 15 years behind. And they will continue to be. I am happy that they are doing this, but I think it's ultimately just a marketing ploy. Teaching coding takes time, at least to the point that it becomes a useful skill you'll actually leverage. And you won't be taking the time in a law school, not really. Two or three courses in three years is not going to do it. A bootcamp is definitely not going to accomplish anything. As I said once before when this topic came up, I don't think you need a CS degree to write macros in Excel, but a bootcamp course in programming isn't going to teach you how to do it usefully, either.
  25. I agree with this. The LSO likely has blindspots being the final arbiter on when a student is competent to practice since they aren't directly supervising their articles. But I think right now I'd trust them more than an articling principal who might have financial incentives to rush a student through training. This is already a bit of a problem with some new calls I've spoken to - complex files being handed to them with little to no supervision. I shudder to think what would happen if the LSO let principals decide when a student could get called and start billing at a higher rate. I think we'd still end up with a standardized articling term, but it would be much shorter, except more new lawyers would be even less prepared.
  26. Hi everyone! Currently sporting a pedestrian 155 and planning on applying to Dalhousie for 2020 (NS resident fwiw). I intend to rewrite in Nov as I know I'm capable of getting in the 160's since all my most recent timed practice tests have placed me there. My question is: would it be better to wait until I get my November score to apply (assuming I score higher) or just apply now with the 155 and get the application in early? Thanks and best of luck to everyone writing this weekend !
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