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  2. Not going to bother listening to anything to do with Malcolm Gladwell, who is the embodiment of milquetoast, midwit, pop psychology, pseudointellectual bullshit, but I will say that if you think this is a problem with the LSAT, wait until you get to law school. Our entire system of legal education is whack, legal academia bears very little resemblance to the practice of law, law school rewards skills that differ from the skills that are rewarded in practice, etc. And everyone knows this. In the grand scheme of things it's really silly to overemphasize the importance of the fact that the LSAT is not a 1:1 predictor of law school success (another thing that everyone knows) just because you're bad at the LSAT and butthurt about that fact.
  3. Might be borderline with those stats. I would recommend retaking the LSAT (either December or January) just to be on the safe side. U of A tends to rely more on stats than PS.
  4. Not from UofT but requested from Western, Ottawa, Osgoode and of course OLSAS.
  5. I'm pretty sure it was an offshoot of a Marriott!
  6. I think you're missing the point here (also listening to this podcast currently). You could very well slow down and be a hair as well. I think what the host is getting at is this: why are we testing students with a particular metric that doesn't correspond to the type of work they will be doing? You're better at reading under timed pressure? Great. How is that relevant to the work of the law clerk who reads their cases slowly, and methodically, trying to grasp them fully? Great podcast btw.
  7. My application is now under review as well - I am a discretionary applicant and was rejected last year. UVic is a long shot for me but I'm hoping with an approved LSAT score in January I will have a chance.. so not sure why its under review when I emailed them saying im retaking in January
  8. I don't have one from UofT but also have one from Osgoode on December 4, though I'm not in the queue. Was yours Dec 4 too? (I also have one from Ottawa and Western, but not UofT or Queen's).
  9. I'm like 20 minutes deep and I think it's pretty insightful so far, and I agree with the tortoise analogy for the practise of law and a hare for writing the LSAT. With that being said, just because I'm a "hare" during the test doesn't mean I can't be a "tortoise" as well. I don't see why you can't process information quickly but also have the capability of slowing down when need be. Loving this discussion though.
  10. which chain of hotel did you stay in if I may ask? if it was indeed a chain
  11. In the same boat! Haven't got a request yet from U of T, but got one from Osgoode & Western.
  12. Osgoode did mine already, I want to know if anyone has one from U of T on their profile.
  13. Can a mod remove this last post^ I just wanted to italicize something from my first post and it created a duplicate
  14. Academic ability or potential insight to likelihood of academic success in law school?
  15. This is questionable. There's dips and fluctuations in your GPA as a result of so many different factors. This why schools like Queens and Western focus more on B2/L2, but I don't think your GPA is an accurate indicator of your work ethic. The fact that its spread out over 4-5 years does make it a good sample because there's a lot of different classes, but thats the problem with statistics, you have to look behind the curtain to see the whole picture. For example, someone can bomb their first year and end up with a CGPA around 3.2 but have a strong L2/L3. On the surface a 3.2 may not be sexy, but a deeper diver shows a much clearer picture. I also disagree with this. I think there's many instances throughout life where you have a lot of pressure to perform and there's no controversy. A surgeon can successfully perform countless successful surgery, but if they screw one up, they likely wont be practising again. The LSAT also isn't worth as much as 4-5 years of University, I get what you're trying to say but its quantified differently. I do agree that there's a lot of ways to prove yourself performing under pressure during undergrad but there's no way to prove that on your application. I get a high CGPA is indicative of that but no one on an admissions committee will know your course, the difficulty, the material, if there was even pressure, so and so forth. There's too many factors that are unaccounted for. The LSAT is a great indicator because it allows for just that, while trying to eliminate as many factors that can prevent you from getting the score you want. I also think this is a bit of a reach. I understand that some people are in a tough financial spot and that's really fucking shitty, and I think spending 330 for writing a test is ludicrous, but in the grand scheme of things, when you take into account law school costs and law school application costs, I think the wise thing to do would be invest some money into that part of your application thats going to be crucial to getting you there. I speak from experience, I paid for it all myself as a broke 22 year old, but I still managed to prepare properly to get the score I wanted. Going back to my last point, how can you survive law school then? Also, not many people are raising families (1-3 in a class maybe?) but those that are likely have support from a partner or family members. We can't comment on other people's situations but if you're struggling to write the LSAT due to a lack of resources, I cant fathom law school being any easier. Overall I do agree that neither are 100% perfect, I still believe a great emphasis should be placed on the LSAT, even if it's a 55/45 split.
  16. Yes I definitely asked the hotel before hand if it was the type where you had to resign in and they said no luckily ahah
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  18. Yeah the claims being thrown around early in the thread we’re slightly misleading.
  19. @Seekingredemption - the podcast episode I referenced above addresses this. Yes you’re right. It’s not cut and dried. Plus the LSAC is a business and it would not be savvy to demonstrate their test does not in fact predict success in law school.
  20. I’ve done a little more digging about the research claiming LSAT scores are more strongly correlated than gpa and apparently LSAC doesn’t even publish said research freely. You have to request access to it. That’s a little a strange no? If it provided strong evidence why not publish it freely? Not to mention if the LSAC released a study showing gpa was as strongly, or more strongly correlated with success that doesn’t exactly bode well for them. I’m not saying their study is fraudulent but if you’re familiar with industry funded research you’ll know that it’s exceedingly common to have « baked » studies. See: nutritional research, big tobacco etc. There’s also very little third party research conducted on this, so I guess we just have to take LSAC’s word for it? Not to mention there are valid criticisms about their methodology: they only examine first 1st year law school averages for example. So this isn’t exactly as cut and dry as some think. Edit: Anyway this is a great topic of discussion. I’d love to hear some adcoms opinions on this.
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