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[WhoWhere]

adding on to swisham's predic-o-matic, i would like to add the ontario predictor. After following two admission cycles and collecting stats i believe i can predict with very good accuracy the chances of admissions to ontario law schools.
Ottawa and windsor will be a little tough to predict, Queens and Western will be fairly easy, osgoode (using their formula) and Uof T can be predicted with very high accuracy.

so please post:

GPA out of 4

CGPA:
best two years:
LSAT:

i hope swisham is not going to sue me for copyright infringement.

[Aurora]

I am on a gpa converting role,

cgpa: 3.55
best 2: 3.78
Lsat: 165


I shall now go convert lead into gold.

[Exodus]

CGPA: 3.96
Best Two: 3.97
LSAT: 165

Exodus

[WhoWhere]

Aurora said:

I am on a gpa converting role,

cgpa: 3.55
best 2: 3.78
Lsat: 165


I shall now go convert lead into gold.

Ottawa: Most likely accepted
Windsor: Depends on other factors
Western: In 1st round
Queens: In 1st round
Osgood: In later rounds
UofT: Rejected

[WhoWhere]

Exodus said:

CGPA: 3.96
Best Two: 3.97
LSAT: 165

Exodus

Ottawa: In
Windsor: Depends on other factors
Western: In 1st round
Queens: In 1st round
Osgood: In 1st round
UofT: In 1st round

[limz]

hey whowhere,

thanks again for making that site... it was helpful for all of us applicants who were applying last year.

i'd like to see if your results differ from swishsam's....

CGPA: 3.81/4.0
Last 2: 3.86/4.0
LSAT: 154, 160

I got rejected everywhere in ontario except ottawa (admitted off waitlist) and windsor (didn't apply). however, that was applying with only 2 years completed, and with a crappy LSAT score of 154. do you think things will change for me, or will history repeat itself?

also, does your spreadsheet base its predictions on last year's standards? do you anticipate the effect of the double-cohort?

[WhoWhere]

limz said:

hey whowhere,

thanks again for making that site... it was helpful for all of us applicants who were applying last year.

i'd like to see if your results differ from swishsam's....

CGPA: 3.81/4.0
Last 2: 3.86/4.0
LSAT: 154, 160

I got rejected everywhere in ontario except ottawa (admitted off waitlist) and windsor (didn't apply). however, that was applying with only 2 years completed, and with a crappy LSAT score of 154. do you think things will change for me, or will history repeat itself?

also, does your spreadsheet base its predictions on last year's standards? do you anticipate the effect of the double-cohort?

Hi Limz,

from reading your posts throughout the year i know osgoode is your first choice. IMO you are guaranteed a spot next year since your blended will be just over 3.75. I believe the double cohort will have some impact on students at the lower end in regards to their stats. Perhaps instead of dipping to 3.55 osgoode will go as low at 3.57-8. However, this will have no impact on your chances since it is practically impossible that 300 people will have a blended of 3.75 or higher. As far as I know osgoode is not going to change its policy next year and will apply the same formula to calculate their blended score, therefore you are guaranteed an offer in their 1st round.

By the way did you decide to go to Ottawa or are u going in for your last year?

For other schools:

Ottawa: if you declined their offer I am not sure how this will effect your application next year however they say that they do not look at last year's application. Therefore, with the same PS and higher numbers you should get in theoretically
Queens and Western: In (even though you are slightly borderline with you LSAT based on their stats, your GPA will get you admitted)

[Parveen]

LSAT: 163

CGPA: 3.53

LAST TWO: 3.87

3 yr degree.

[WhoWhere]

Parveen said:

LSAT: 163

CGPA: 3.53

LAST TWO: 3.87

3 yr degree.

Ottawa: acceptable numbers, PS must state your desire to attend UO or the PS must have a personality that is not the generic (i want to help poor people just because they are poor or i have been descriminated against and thats why i should get in). If you do write those type of things a degree of knowledge on the subject and insightful future initiative on social justice and demonstrable, justifiable, and rational impact of outside forces like racism must be shown. Unlike other schools the PS plays a big role in UO admissions
Windsor: Debatable
Osgoode: 3.59 blended (most likely admitted in the later rounds)
Western: In
Queens:In

[klik09]

CGPA: 3.67 / 4

Last 2: 3.72 / 4

LSAT: to be determined . . . expecting between 158-162... can you give me some advice to what you think i would need on my LSAT?

thanks WhoWhere.

[wiretin]

4 year degree
cgpa 3.46
last 2 3.66
lsat 156/160
work-5

[Mint]

Great Post whowhere.

CGPA: 3.66 (A-)
CPA in last 2/3 years: 3.73/3.75 (A-)

Anticipated LSAT score: 155
Anticipated LSAT score with major studying: 160

At present, I'm primarily interested in the Toronto schools, Osgoode in particular, as I don't think I would have a chance at UofT.

I see you mention a formula for Osgoode? Is it posted on their website?

[WhoWhere]

klik09 said:

CGPA: 3.67 / 4

Last 2: 3.72 / 4

LSAT: to be determined . . . expecting between 158-162... can you give me some advice to what you think i would need on my LSAT?

thanks WhoWhere.

Ottawa: Your solid CGPA combined with an LSAT of at least 155 (perhaps a few points lower if the PS is really spectacular)
Windsor: 155 LSAT and good ECs and WE
Osgoode: at least 77th percentile (159)
Western: at least 158
Queens: at least 158
UofT: 168


you should aim to get over 160 (at least 80th percentile). This will insure your admission to Western, Queens, and Osgoode. Other schools it is debatable.


good luck with the LSAT

[WhoWhere]

wiretin said:

4 year degree
cgpa 3.46
last 2 3.66
lsat 156/160
work-5

Ottawa: Doubtful. CGPA is low. a solid PS may get you in. Apply anyways.
Osgoode: they will take off your worst year out of 4 since you scored over the 77th percentile. Your 3 best years are needed to calculate your blended but judging by your last 2 you will probably get in.
Windsor: you have a chance but as for ottawa the CGPA is a little low.
Western: Probably In
Queens: Probably In
UofT: rejected

[VoteConservative]

I didn't apply to any Ontario schools last year so I'm actually just curious:

GPA: 3.45
Best two: 3.7
LSAT: 169

[WhoWhere]

Mint said:

Great Post whowhere.

CGPA: 3.66 (A-)
CPA in last 2/3 years: 3.73/3.75 (A-)

Anticipated LSAT score: 155
Anticipated LSAT score with major studying: 160

At present, I'm primarily interested in the Toronto schools, Osgoode in particular, as I don't think I would have a chance at UofT.

I see you mention a formula for Osgoode? Is it posted on their website?

you have a ver solid CGPA, however for UofT you will need to score at least 168.
Osgoode: with a 155 you may not get in. You need at least 75th percentile (158) with you CGPA (roughly 3.5/4 blended conversion). Aim to get over the 77th percentile (159 and over) (3.6 on the blended scale) to insure the you get in. Osgoode uses the following formula

CGPA x 3 + LSAT converted to 4.0 scale/4

or if you have four years completed and LSAT over 77th percentile

Best 3 years x 3 + LSAT converted to 4.0/4

If you are serious about getting into law school you should do your best to get the 160 and above, especially if you want to attend osgoode. It is not that difficult to get a 160 if you concentrate and dedicate yourself to your LSAT studies. I would recommend the powerscorer bibles for best results.

Ottawa: you need a good PS
Windsor: ECs and WE needed
Western: LSAT of at least 158
Queens: LSAT of at least 158

[WhoWhere]

VoteConservative said:

I didn't apply to any Ontario schools last year so I'm actually just curious:

GPA: 3.45
Best two: 3.7
LSAT: 169

Ottawa: Depends on PS
Windsor: Depends on ECs and WE
Osgoode: if you have a 3 year completed= rejected. if you finished a 4 year degree and your best 3 are over 3.5 you are just borderline to get admitted (judging by this year's stats). if best 3 over 3.6= admitted
Western: In
Queens: In
Uof T: rejected

[Lawyer001]

Hey I'm hoping you can make a prediction about U of A / Dalhousie? Queens, western, u sask, u manitoba and whatever else really cares about the last 2 years
I have pretty bad stats:
last 2: 3.5
cgpa: 2.8
Lsat: to be determined...but say 160-163
Another drawback: i only have a 3 year degree
Last 20 courses (60units) : 3.5 ish average
Work experience/volunteer: 0

[Mint]

WhoWhere said:

Mint said:

Great Post whowhere.

CGPA: 3.66 (A-)
CPA in last 2/3 years: 3.73/3.75 (A-)

Anticipated LSAT score: 155
Anticipated LSAT score with major studying: 160

At present, I'm primarily interested in the Toronto schools, Osgoode in particular, as I don't think I would have a chance at UofT.

I see you mention a formula for Osgoode? Is it posted on their website?

you have a ver solid CGPA, however for UofT you will need to score at least 168.
Osgoode: with a 155 you may not get in. You need at least 75th percentile (158) with you CGPA (roughly 3.5/4 blended conversion). Aim to get over the 77th percentile (159 and over) (3.6 on the blended scale) to insure the you get in. Osgoode uses the following formula

CGPA x 3 + LSAT converted to 4.0 scale/4

or if you have four years completed and LSAT over 77th percentile

Best 3 years x 3 + LSAT converted to 4.0/4

If you are serious about getting into law school you should do your best to get the 160 and above, especially if you want to attend osgoode. It is not that difficult to get a 160 if you concentrate and dedicate yourself to your LSAT studies. I would recommend the powerscorer bibles for best results.

Ottawa: you need a good PS
Windsor: ECs and WE needed
Western: LSAT of at least 158
Queens: LSAT of at least 158

Thanks for the information! I currently have the bibles and have started studying. I have exactly 1 day to decide if I should write the Sept 30 LSAT.

[Aurora]

Thanks WhoWhere for running my numbers for me.

Although really, it is just causing me more angst over whether or not I should waste the money to apply to UT.

[WhoWhere]

Aurora said:

Thanks WhoWhere for running my numbers for me.

Although really, it is just causing me more angst over whether or not I should waste the money to apply to UT.

it costs only 50$ to apply to UofT, so apply anyways if it is one of the schools where you want to go. The 50$ is insignificant in the frameworks of the total amount of money that you will be spending on your law school studies.

[WhoWhere]

Mint said:

WhoWhere said:

Mint said:

Great Post whowhere.

CGPA: 3.66 (A-)
CPA in last 2/3 years: 3.73/3.75 (A-)

Anticipated LSAT score: 155
Anticipated LSAT score with major studying: 160

At present, I'm primarily interested in the Toronto schools, Osgoode in particular, as I don't think I would have a chance at UofT.

I see you mention a formula for Osgoode? Is it posted on their website?

you have a ver solid CGPA, however for UofT you will need to score at least 168.
Osgoode: with a 155 you may not get in. You need at least 75th percentile (158) with you CGPA (roughly 3.5/4 blended conversion). Aim to get over the 77th percentile (159 and over) (3.6 on the blended scale) to insure the you get in. Osgoode uses the following formula

CGPA x 3 + LSAT converted to 4.0 scale/4

or if you have four years completed and LSAT over 77th percentile

Best 3 years x 3 + LSAT converted to 4.0/4

If you are serious about getting into law school you should do your best to get the 160 and above, especially if you want to attend osgoode. It is not that difficult to get a 160 if you concentrate and dedicate yourself to your LSAT studies. I would recommend the powerscorer bibles for best results.

Ottawa: you need a good PS
Windsor: ECs and WE needed
Western: LSAT of at least 158
Queens: LSAT of at least 158

Thanks for the information! I currently have the bibles and have started studying. I have exactly 1 day to decide if I should write the Sept 30 LSAT.

if you have your mind set on osgoode then you can write at every sitting because they will take your highest mark. However, if you want to just go to law school and if you do not get a high enough mark for schools like queens and western that average your LSAT then writing it only once is preferable. If you consistently score over 155 on practices tests then sign up to write the sep. 30th tests and anyways you have over a month to study which is more than enough time to raise your projected score by 5 points

[DaPretzel]

It's been mentioned in this thread that U of T costs 50 dollars to apply to. Is this for people not using Olsas. Or do I have to dole out another 50 on top of whatever I've already paid to olsas.

[wiretin]

thanks whowhere

[WhoWhere]

DaPretzel said:

It's been mentioned in this thread that U of T costs 50 dollars to apply to. Is this for people not using Olsas. Or do I have to dole out another 50 on top of whatever I've already paid to olsas.

everybody who applies to ontario law schools must go through olsas and each school application costs 50$, there are no surcharges for any schools.

[WhoWhere]

sorry, it costs 75$ to apply to each law school. My mistake.

[limz]

WhoWhere said:

limz said:

hey whowhere,

thanks again for making that site... it was helpful for all of us applicants who were applying last year.

i'd like to see if your results differ from swishsam's....

CGPA: 3.81/4.0
Last 2: 3.86/4.0
LSAT: 154, 160

I got rejected everywhere in ontario except ottawa (admitted off waitlist) and windsor (didn't apply). however, that was applying with only 2 years completed, and with a crappy LSAT score of 154. do you think things will change for me, or will history repeat itself?

also, does your spreadsheet base its predictions on last year's standards? do you anticipate the effect of the double-cohort?

Hi Limz,

from reading your posts throughout the year i know osgoode is your first choice. IMO you are guaranteed a spot next year since your blended will be just over 3.75. I believe the double cohort will have some impact on students at the lower end in regards to their stats. Perhaps instead of dipping to 3.55 osgoode will go as low at 3.57-8. However, this will have no impact on your chances since it is practically impossible that 300 people will have a blended of 3.75 or higher. As far as I know osgoode is not going to change its policy next year and will apply the same formula to calculate their blended score, therefore you are guaranteed an offer in their 1st round.

By the way did you decide to go to Ottawa or are u going in for your last year?

For other schools:

Ottawa: if you declined their offer I am not sure how this will effect your application next year however they say that they do not look at last year's application. Therefore, with the same PS and higher numbers you should get in theoretically
Queens and Western: In (even though you are slightly borderline with you LSAT based on their stats, your GPA will get you admitted)

thanks whowhere!!

thanks a lot for the vote of confidence! the double-cohort has me a bit worried to say the least, especially considering i passed up an acceptance to ottawa this year in order to finish my degree and add another year of experience and maturity before i entere law school. it was an agonizing decision, but ultimately i believe i made the right choice for me. i thanked genevieve profusely for giving me that opportunity to study law a year early, and let her know i was very interested in re-applying next year. she told me that i should definitely do that.

i think that you may be right with regards to the double cohort. perhaps i could be overestimating its effects. i don't think there will be double the number of applications this year. i believe at most 50% more applications, so that will make things tougher on us who are borderline candidates.

i certainly hope you're right in your predictions. while oz is still my first choice, i'm also considering queens, western and ottawa again, since it would be nice to live in a different city once in a while. i just hope that the ontario schools' new policy of taking the higher LSAT won't drive up the admissions numbers too much...

[WhoWhere]

limz said:

WhoWhere said:

limz said:

hey whowhere,

thanks again for making that site... it was helpful for all of us applicants who were applying last year.

i'd like to see if your results differ from swishsam's....

CGPA: 3.81/4.0
Last 2: 3.86/4.0
LSAT: 154, 160

I got rejected everywhere in ontario except ottawa (admitted off waitlist) and windsor (didn't apply). however, that was applying with only 2 years completed, and with a crappy LSAT score of 154. do you think things will change for me, or will history repeat itself?

also, does your spreadsheet base its predictions on last year's standards? do you anticipate the effect of the double-cohort?

Hi Limz,

from reading your posts throughout the year i know osgoode is your first choice. IMO you are guaranteed a spot next year since your blended will be just over 3.75. I believe the double cohort will have some impact on students at the lower end in regards to their stats. Perhaps instead of dipping to 3.55 osgoode will go as low at 3.57-8. However, this will have no impact on your chances since it is practically impossible that 300 people will have a blended of 3.75 or higher. As far as I know osgoode is not going to change its policy next year and will apply the same formula to calculate their blended score, therefore you are guaranteed an offer in their 1st round.

By the way did you decide to go to Ottawa or are u going in for your last year?

For other schools:

Ottawa: if you declined their offer I am not sure how this will effect your application next year however they say that they do not look at last year's application. Therefore, with the same PS and higher numbers you should get in theoretically
Queens and Western: In (even though you are slightly borderline with you LSAT based on their stats, your GPA will get you admitted)

thanks whowhere!!

thanks a lot for the vote of confidence! the double-cohort has me a bit worried to say the least, especially considering i passed up an acceptance to ottawa this year in order to finish my degree and add another year of experience and maturity before i entere law school. it was an agonizing decision, but ultimately i believe i made the right choice for me. i thanked genevieve profusely for giving me that opportunity to study law a year early, and let her know i was very interested in re-applying next year. she told me that i should definitely do that.

i think that you may be right with regards to the double cohort. perhaps i could be overestimating its effects. i don't think there will be double the number of applications this year. i believe at most 50% more applications, so that will make things tougher on us who are borderline candidates.

i certainly hope you're right in your predictions. while oz is still my first choice, i'm also considering queens, western and ottawa again, since it would be nice to live in a different city once in a while. i just hope that the ontario schools' new policy of taking the higher LSAT won't drive up the admissions numbers too much...

in regards to osgoode, you will have at least 3.75 blended (even if you get all Cs in 4th year, osgoode will drop it because you scored over the 77th percentile). You can even bring up your blended more up if your 4th year GPA is higher than any other 3 years since osgoode will drop your worst year. Even if there were 50% more applications, which there won't be, i can assure you that 3.75 will not be borderline. I don't think that you need to worry about the effects of the double-cohort.

[mahs]

CGPA: 3.52
Best 2: 3.5
LSAT: 165 anticipated

(what min LSAT score would I need for the schools?)

thanks!

[Angel_Thane]

Is this just for regular applicants, or have you crunched for Mature as well?