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Are their any key differences between the two schools? Im still deciding and I'm so lost... I like both so much. 

I am not interested at all in corporate law, but I am very interested in the city of london, the school of western, and just like London life better than kingston. But I am not interested in corporate law, and I know its a required course you have to eventually take in 2L if not 1L.

 

Can anyone share their input on this? If I have no interest in corporate law, should I still go to western? 

I like family and crim 

 

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Every law school in Ontario (heck Canada) does a creditable job teaching criminal and family law.  So you take a corporate law course, it won’t hurt you.   If you like London, go to Western. 

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38 minutes ago, sotiredofyork said:

Are their any key differences between the two schools? Im still deciding and I'm so lost... I like both so much. 

I am not interested at all in corporate law, but I am very interested in the city of london, the school of western, and just like London life better than kingston. But I am not interested in corporate law, and I know its a required course you have to eventually take in 2L if not 1L.

 

Can anyone share their input on this? If I have no interest in corporate law, should I still go to western? 

I like family and crim 

 

Taking tax law was useful for my first white-collar crim case. One corporate course is no big deal. I know good crim lawyers who went to Western.

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35 minutes ago, sotiredofyork said:

Are their any key differences between the two schools? Im still deciding and I'm so lost... I like both so much. 

I am not interested at all in corporate law, but I am very interested in the city of london, the school of western, and just like London life better than kingston. But I am not interested in corporate law, and I know its a required course you have to eventually take in 2L if not 1L.

 

Can anyone share their input on this? If I have no interest in corporate law, should I still go to western? 

I like family and crim 

 

Is this for next cycle? 

To my knowledge Queen’s is known more as a family/crim school, with a larger portion of their student body interested in these areas. But the difference is marginal.

I agree with Bob, what matters much more is the location/school atmosphere you like best; and if that’s Western/London than in my opinion that is where you should go. 

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2 hours ago, sotiredofyork said:

corporate law, and I know its a required course

Well, what is the "corporate law" course? If it's similar to what Osgoode calls Business Associations, then it's going to be applicable to pretty much every field of law. Including family law (business owners can get divorced) and criminal law (sometimes people commit crimes through corporations). Like administrative law, it should probably be mandatory everywhere!

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9 minutes ago, BlockedQuebecois said:

Wait, how are you still deciding? The acceptance deadline was a while ago, wasn’t it? 

This is what I was trying to get at. They must either be asking for next cycle or... Have just realized they no longer have a choice. And based on the OP not replying since it’s been questioned, I’m guessing it’s the latter rather than the former. Whoops!

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I have very very high stats and was working under the assumption I'd get into both schools , which has now happened lol 

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6 minutes ago, sotiredofyork said:

I have very very high stats and was working under the assumption I'd get into both schools , which has now happened lol 

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But don't accepted students have to choose by 1 April, or has that changed this year? Or were you not offered a spot at one of the schools until after 1 April? 

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Just now, BlockedQuebecois said:

But don't accepted students have to choose by 1 April, or has that changed this year? Or were you not offered a spot at one of the schools until after 1 April? 

april 10th/24th were my deadlines! 

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1 minute ago, sotiredofyork said:
1 minute ago, BlockedQuebecois said:

But don't accepted students have to choose by 1 April, or has that changed this year? Or were you not offered a spot at one of the schools until after 1 April? 

april 10th/24th were my deadlines! 

Yes, offers that were given mid-late March had an extended decision deadline! My offers had an April 9th deadline!   

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I went to Western and had no interest in corporate law. Took the mandatory course, survived. I focused on family and criminal law and got lots of exposure to both -- clinic exposure especially -- and my articling job is in criminal and family law. If you pick Western, feel free to PM me for more details.

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2 hours ago, krumb said:

I went to Western and had no interest in corporate law. Took the mandatory course, survived. I focused on family and criminal law and got lots of exposure to both -- clinic exposure especially -- and my articling job is in criminal and family law. If you pick Western, feel free to PM me for more details.

i actually just did officially accept western!! You're just like me!!

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Wait what is all this about extended acceptance dates if you got accepted in late March? I got accepted mid/late March (March 22) but still had to decide by April 1st. Can anyone please provide me with more information about this?

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20 hours ago, sotiredofyork said:

Are their any key differences between the two schools? Im still deciding and I'm so lost... I like both so much. 

I am not interested at all in corporate law, but I am very interested in the city of london, the school of western, and just like London life better than kingston. But I am not interested in corporate law, and I know its a required course you have to eventually take in 2L if not 1L.

Can anyone share their input on this? If I have no interest in corporate law, should I still go to western? 

I like family and crim 

I know you've already made your choice (congrats!) but just for readers' future reference: as a former Western corporate-focused student, I wished I was a non-corporate student at Western because there were so many cool courses and extracurriculars in other areas of law (the criminal ones always interested me the most, but also family, constitutional/public law, and international law). I actually did get involved in a fair number of those things and they were some of my favourite parts of law school (perhaps that says I've gone down the wrong career path but...that's another discussion!).

Also, everyone at every law school should take corporate law (or whatever it's called at each school - as a poster above noted, it's called Business Associations at Osgoode). There's no balance sheets or anything - it's just about corporations (as a legal person)  function in the world, particularly when interacting with other persons. This is something that is likely to come up in about every lawyer's practice at some point (and at the very least is something you probably should know in order to really understand a lot of the news out there).

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53 minutes ago, TheGazeboEffect said:

Also, everyone at every law school should take corporate law (or whatever it's called at each school - as a poster above noted, it's called Business Associations at Osgoode). There's no balance sheets or anything - it's just about corporations (as a legal person)  function in the world, particularly when interacting with other persons. This is something that is likely to come up in about every lawyer's practice at some point (and at the very least is something you probably should know in order to really understand a lot of the news out there).

 There are a bunch of areas of law - corporate, tax, evidence, admin, trusts, there are probably others - that lawyers should take because that base knowledge will make them more valuable to their clients (and themselves). Heck, in some cases, you need to those courts just to be a competent lawyers. That sort of stuff is on the bar exam for a reason.

Trusts is my favorite example.  Most people who go to law school don't plan on becoming wills and estates lawyers or trust lawyers.  But, as a lawyer, how do you manage a trust account if you don't really know what a trust is.  There was a case a few years ago where a Toronto area real estate lawyer got into trouble because her client, a building developer, went bust, but she had paid the buyer's deposits over to him before he was entitled to them.  Her defense was that the trust funds were her client's money (which they would be AFTER the building was build and the deposits released), so she didn't think there was anything wrong with that.  Sure, maybe she was in on the scam (I can't remember if it was a scam or just bad business luck), but taken at face value, her defense was that she didn't understand what trust funds were.  That's not an acceptable defense when the LSUC comes knocking.   I've been involved in files where lawyers - good, smart, highly regarded lawyers - didn't realize that the settlement agreement they were drafting gave rise to a trust.  That's a problem when the CRA comes knocking a few years later and starts asking why no one has been paying tax on the income on the assets covered by the agreement. 

But there's a host of others.  If you're a solicitor, you're never going to be cross-examining a witness, but you damned well better understand rules around privilege, to ensure that your correspondence with your client remains privileged (in the event of a tax audit, or commercial dispute, or shareholder litigation) - how many times do people potentially screw-up privilege by sending legal advice and copying the client's accountant?  Probably happens much more often then they'd like to admit.  Shoulda taken evidence.  

Corporate law.   As someone mentioned, how can you practice family law - at least if you want to have clients who are reasonably wealth who can pay your bills in full (like the owners of small businesses) - if you don't understand corporate and tax law.  Certainly if you're in private practice, you should know a thing or two about tax law - it will be relevant to you. You should also know a thing or two about partnerships, that might be relevant to you too. White collar crime? Environmental law?  Real estate?  You need to understand corporate structures to practice in those areas. 

And, by "understand" any of these areas of law, I'm not suggesting you need deep expertise, you just need to know enough to be able to say  "shit, this is something I need to worry about, I should get an expert involved" when the issue arises.  Law school is a great opportunity to get the high level, 30,000 foot, understanding that you need to to be a useful lawyer.  

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5 minutes ago, pzabbythesecond said:

Corporate law/Bus associations isn't mandatory at some schools? Seriously..?

It wasn't at UofT when I was there.   

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