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I'm wondering if anybody knows if Canada has or is going to have an excess lawyer problem where there are too many law school graduates and not enough articling jobs/permanent lawyer jobs? I've read that the U.S has this kind of problem and I'm wondering if any of you might be able to shed some light whether or not this is a problem that is already happening, or will happen eventually (5-10 years) or just not true. I especially posted this because of Ryerson's letter of intent of having a law program which would mean even more graduates/students. 

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2 hours ago, Lawschoolinterest said:

I'm wondering if anybody knows if Canada has or is going to have an excess lawyer problem where there are too many law school graduates and not enough articling jobs/permanent lawyer jobs? I've read that the U.S has this kind of problem and I'm wondering if any of you might be able to shed some light whether or not this is a problem that is already happening, or will happen eventually (5-10 years) or just not true. I especially posted this because of Ryerson's letter of intent of having a law program which would mean even more graduates/students. 

There is a great ongoing discussion in that very thread. You should check it out.

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5 minutes ago, LawMaidsTale said:

Yea. There are more lawyers/law school graduates than there are jobs

So basically, it's like any market..? I don't see how this means there's "too many". It only means there's too many since a lot of law students think they're god's gift to man and deserve full employment for their "grueling" 3 years of law school and natural superiority to the rest of the plebs in the world.

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Everyone says there are too many lawyers, and yet people resists the suggestion that we set out man (or, ahem, person) sized rat traps around the faculty of law, baited with wads of fifties.  If it's a problem, why do we resist the obvious solution?

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7 minutes ago, maximumbob said:

Everyone says there are too many lawyers, and yet people resists the suggestion that we set out man (or, ahem, person) sized rat traps around the faculty of law, baited with wads of fifties.  If it's a problem, why do we resist the obvious solution?

Pshah! 50? I only take the time to bend down to pick something up if it's worth $100 or more. 

 

edit: Sorry, misread and didn't see "wads".

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1 minute ago, pzabbythesecond said:

Pshah! 50? I only take the time to bend down to pick something up if it's worth $100 or more. 

I did say "wads of fifties".  I'm not sure what the exact definition of a "wad" is, but I have to think it includes at least two.  

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23 minutes ago, BlockedQuebecois said:

You could leave a cold slice of pizza pizza and a nickel in those traps, you'd still solve the problem. 

 

Hey, that's $2 I won't have to pay interest on for the next 10 years. It's a win in my books.

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32 minutes ago, BlockedQuebecois said:

You could leave a cold slice of pizza pizza and a nickel in those traps, you'd still solve the problem. 

 

Yeah, but then you'd catch real rats and raccoons and the Humane Society will get made.  

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There are too few people studying law and law is locked away as an expensive "prestigious" second degree.  No reason it should be any different than a sociology, history, or criminology degree. Or accounting or engineering for that matter.

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12 minutes ago, kurrika said:

There are too few people studying law and law is locked away as an expensive "prestigious" second degree.  No reason it should be any different than a sociology, history, or criminology degree. Or accounting or engineering for that matter.

I beg to differ.  If you were setting out man-sized rat traps for sociologists, historians or engineers, people would get upset.

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26 minutes ago, kurrika said:

There are too few people studying law and law is locked away as an expensive "prestigious" second degree.  No reason it should be any different than a sociology, history, or criminology degree. Or accounting or engineering for that matter.

Then why is the tuition for law school 4x higher than the tuition for criminology or sociology? And why is it so much more difficult to get into law school than it is to get into an undergrad program?

Spoiler alert - because it's a professional program, which implicitly suggests that graduates of this program are being funneled into a profession. And that's still the case, even with the shrinking pool of articling positions.

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Just now, beyondsection17 said:

Then why is the tuition for law school 4x higher than the tuition for criminology or sociology?

Spoiler alert - because it's a professional program, which implicitly suggests that graduates of this program are being funneled into a profession. And that's still the case, even with the shrinking pool of articling positions.

It's 4  (or more ) times higher because the various provinces have lifted tuition caps on law schools and held them on other programs (or lifted to a lower extent).

 

Do you think market forces currently control tuition costs in Canada?

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8 minutes ago, kurrika said:

Do you think market forces currently control tuition costs in Canada?

Well, no, because its regulated pretty much everywhere (even the law schools are capped), apparently below the market price.  

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23 minutes ago, beyondsection17 said:

Then why is the tuition for law school 4x higher than the tuition for criminology or sociology? And why is it so much more difficult to get into law school than it is to get into an undergrad program?

Spoiler alert - because it's a professional program, which implicitly suggests that graduates of this program are being funneled into a profession. And that's still the case, even with the shrinking pool of articling positions.

Engineering is also a professional program last I checked.

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24 minutes ago, beyondsection17 said:

Spoiler alert - because it's a professional program, which implicitly suggests that graduates of this program are being funneled into a profession. And that's still the case, even with the shrinking pool of articling positions.

But isn't that also true of engineers?  I suspect tuition for engineering is lower than for law because (a) politicians see engineers (and anything sciency, in general) as socially valuable and are willing to spend money on expanding it (draw your own conclusions about what that says about lawyers), and (b) law schools were able to sell politicians (rightly) on increasing tuition as a means of increasing law school enrolment, and satisfying increasing demand for legal education, at no cost to the fisc.  

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15 hours ago, pzabbythesecond said:

Engineering is also a professional program last I checked.

The post you're responding to mentioned criminology and sociology, not engineering.... I can't see how engineering is in ANY way substantively comparable to wither of those arts/social sciences majors. 

Why should it be harder to get into law school than a sociology program? Because lawyers often hold people's lives, futures, and/or finances in their hands. Sociologists don't. 

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