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What kind of hours do summer students work? [and general advice about summers]

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20 minutes ago, BlockedQuebecois said:

Thanks for the great post Uriel! 

I have a question for those more "in the know" than I: is 1L hiring increasing in Toronto again? I was under the impression most firms had cut back on 1L hiring back during the financial crisis, and that still hadn't recovered. Have I been reading bad sources, or working off outdated information? 

 

Hard to say across the board but I'm getting a very strong buzz from a number of different firms.  Expect hireback to be high.  We're all on fire over here.  I'd be very surprised if 1L hiring didn't at least maintain in place over last year.

That being said, I issue my usual warning against the certainty of damaging your 1L grades versus the extreme uncertainty of an attempt to secure a virtually mythical 1L summer job.  I didn't apply for them when there were only four available in the City of Toronto, and I still wouldn't today unless I had really desirable work experience, specialist credentials, or stratospheric fall grades.  It's such a huge amount of work and distraction at such a competitive time for such a low-probability shot.

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Lots of time on your hands... You must have just settled something that was scheduled for trial on Monday.

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24 minutes ago, BlockedQuebecois said:

Thanks for the great post Uriel! 

I have a question for those more "in the know" than I: is 1L hiring increasing in Toronto again? I was under the impression most firms had cut back on 1L hiring back during the financial crisis, and that still hadn't recovered. Have I been reading bad sources, or working off outdated information? 

 

I'm not sure about the pre-Great Recession hiring statistics for all 1L positions, but based on the hiring reports of Ultra Vires (U of T Law's newspaper), 1L Bay St. hiring increased, for the most part, between 2013-2016 and then dipped during this year's recruiting cycle by 8 spots (see 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 reports). Second-year recruitment also took a big hit this year as Bay St. shed 45 positions compared to last year.

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18 minutes ago, Jaggers said:

Lots of time on your hands... You must have just settled something that was scheduled for trial on Monday.

Close, close.  It's actually going forward and I just left this open and tapped away at it for a few days.

6 minutes ago, DDarko said:

I'm not sure about the pre-Great Recession hiring statistics for all 1L positions, but based on the hiring reports of Ultra Vires (U of T Law's newspaper), 1L Bay St. hiring increased, for the most part, between 2013-2016 and then dipped during this year's recruiting cycle by 8 spots (see 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 reports). Second-year recruitment also took a big hit this year as Bay St. shed 45 positions compared to last year.

I haven't looked at the numbers but remember to keep the two numbers correlated.  Firms' 1L/2L hiring will dip when they satisfy their staffing needs through the other process.

So if I hire 15 1Ls instead of 10, I'll hire 20 2Ls instead of 25 the following October.

Or if we loved the applicants in our OCI process and had some urgent projected staffing needs, we might hire 36 through OCIs instead of the usual 28 --- but then only take 3 1Ls instead of 7 when we're hiring just three months later.

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21 minutes ago, Uriel said:

Close, close.  It's actually going forward and I just left this open and tapped away at it for a few days.

Oh thank God. I was reading your post and despairing, assuming you just wrote it all spontaneously. 'I'm never going to be able to sound that smart', I thought to myself. (Which is probably still true, but I feel like I have a fighting chance now.)

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